Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 MD, Dont you see the stupidity of the situation? As Das rightly pointed out, there is no SJVC without Sanjay. What is Dinanatha going to do with sjvc-usa if he doesnt regard Sanjay as the real head of sjvc? SELL SANJAY's BOOKS AND LECTURES? People joined sjvc for Sanjay and his team of jyotish gurus, and all of them except Dinanatha are behind Sanjay. What Dinanatha has done is immoral, unethical and a breach of trust of guru. The only reason he is still in the picture is because "legally" he is head of sjvc-usa. OK, enough is enough. I posted this because I strongly felt people are getting diverted from the issue at hand - the moral, ethical and righteous ownership of sjvc-usa. The issue is NOT whether Sri Robert Koch honors his vegetarian vows or Pt. Sanjay smokes cigarettes or whether organizational changes at sjvc-usa should have been done in a more diplomatic and professional manner. OK, enough of this. My point is made and unless otherwise needed, I would rather not talk about this. Hope Mr. Dinanatha realizes his mistakes, soothes his wounded ego and returns what doesnt belong to him to its original founder. Peace, -Siva. gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Hello Schinnas: > > The item of dispute is SJVC-USA website. Per United States law, > Sanjay isn't the founder of this website, Dinanath is. Siva, I'm > familiar with corporate law and have served on the board of two not- > for-profit organization. > > Technically, when a corporation is setup, the incorporator has to > file a list of officers and article of incorporation with the > secretary of state. The corporate secretary will have the ultimate > resposibilty for the corporation, i.e. filing t/rs, etc. The articles > of incorportion will state who are the shareholders and what class of > shares is the corp. authorized to issue, etc. > > For a not-for-profit corporation (NPO). There are no shares to be > issue, no one has ownership. However, the board of directors run this > secretary of the board has the final responsibilty (non-resident > aliens like Sanjay cannot be on the board or cannot serve as the > secretary). > > Now, Dina is the secretary of SJVC-USA and therefore he has the > final control and responsibilty for SJVC-USA website. > > Reality is that Sanjay is the founder of SJVC; however, I don't think > he has registered SJVC as a tradmark in USA and I don't think he is > named on the board of directors for SJVC-USA. > > Now, the example you just gave doesn't apply here as Sanjay has no > LEGAL right to fire Dinanath as LEGALLY (per US corporate law) Sanjay > has nothing to do with SJVC-USA. Unless, there is something mentioned > in the articles of incorportion that I don't know about. Therefore, > per your example, Sanjay can't fire Dinanath. In fact, Dina can > legally fire the others if the majority of the board is in his favor. > > MD > > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote: > > hi MD! > > I dont find any fault with Robert cautioning members of SJVC that > > Dinanatha was expelled and no sjvc member should regard him as > > his/her guru. I give you a parallel. > > > > I am in US and software industry for just few years. But I have > seen > > 3 companies (2 startups and one Fortune 10, where I am currently > at). > > Whenever there is a layoff, it means the management loses trust in > a > > person's ability and lets him go. Then they send a mail to all that > > so and so person doesnt work with the company any more. In case if > it > > is a small company the fired employee hijacks the control of the > > website/etc, then the management will call it as what it is - > > HI-JACKING. Robert was very correct in doing what he did. It was > his > > duty as newly appointed president of SJVC-USA to let everyone knwo > > that Mr. Dinanatha had been expelled and has hijacked sjvcusa.org > > against the wishes of the founder (Sanjay) using some legalities. > > > > That employee fired may have been very capable and it is very > > possible that the whole thing is a misjudgement of the management, > > but the fact remains that the founder of the company has every > right > > to appoint men/women that he has confidence in. I dont see two ways > > here. It is very clear cut and simple. In fact, I am very surprised > > as to why there is so much heated mails on both sides when the > issue > > is so clear. > > > > I dont understand what skeletons in Pt. Sanjay's closet you are > > talking here. Dinantha's accusations are nothing sort of slander. > The > > only error on Pt. Sanjay was he shouldnt have discussed Dinanatha's > > chart without his permission on a open forum. But he is wedded to > the > > Guru-shishya concept and still considered Dinanatha as his student > > who had gone astry and took some liberty with his status as guru. > > > > I must say one thing here. Confusions like these can be avoided > only > > if SJVC is a corporation as Sri. Das Goravani advised. Pt Sanjay > can > > donate the profits to poor if he doesnt want to us jyotish teaching > > for material gains. But lots of confusion will be avoided by having > > sjvc as a for-profit organization and running it in a professional > > manner. Anyways, it is for guru Sanjay to decide. I shouldnt be > > talking ahead of myself! > > > > regards, > > -Siva. > > > > gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > > > Hi Siva, nice to see you here. > > > > > > This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got to be > > > objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am I. > > You're > > > are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I. > > > > > > So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the first > to > > > post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along with > > > other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina made > a > > > public rebuttal. > > > > > > As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina was > the > > > original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to discredit > > > Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements about > > Dina's > > > chart. > > > > > > Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we get to > > know > > > that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well. > > > > > > Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy here. > > > Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina is > > > righteous. > > > > > > Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to Robert's "son > of > > > bitch" allegation. > > > > > > Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate. > > > > > > MD > > > > > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres the > > > > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a software > > > > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to some > > > extent) > > > > in spirituality and astrology. > > > > > > > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks and Pr. > > > Sanjay > > > > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of vedic > > > astrology > > > > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past 1 > > month. > > > > > > > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc. I > didnt > > > > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it. This is > my > > > take > > > > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath. PERIOD. He > had > > > > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever reasons, he > > has > > > > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and he > finds > > > in > > > > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization in USA. > > > > > > > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or as a > non > > > > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri. Goravani > > > can > > > > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay who can > > > > decide on these things. > > > > > > > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his organization/guru- > > > sishya > > > > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should know > > that > > > he > > > > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other behavior > > > > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and childish. > Shame > > on > > > > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his faith > on > > > > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his > > organization > > > in > > > > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights to > the > > > > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization from its > > > > founder. > > > > > > > > To Mr. Dinanatha: > > > > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify here. > In > > > > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more you are > > > making > > > > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what doesnt > > belong > > > > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel wronged. You > > may > > > > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better" than > other > > > > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that SJVC is > > > > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He has the > > > right > > > > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along, fine, call > > it > > > > quits and go about with other tasks in life! > > > > > > > > To my guru Sanjay: > > > > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and sincerity > for > > > > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and curse > being > > > > discussed on a public forum as something in the right dharma of > > > > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your passion/enthusiasm > > as > > > a > > > > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things to > > > students > > > > using Dinanatha's chart as case study. > > > > > > > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on you. > Just > > > > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof enough of > > > your > > > > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild > > > slanderous > > > > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry about > > > that. > > > > > > > > To Sri. Das Goravani: > > > > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought provoking. > > > > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen > though > > > the > > > > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned. Can > > people > > > > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior? > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > -Siva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Siva: I do agree that Sanjay has the ethical ownership. But, there is more here than what meets the eyes. Why would a decent, very well-read person like Dina take control of the website? Dina, if you're reading, please let us all know, what hurt you somuch that you had to take physical possession of the website? MD gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote: > MD, > Dont you see the stupidity of the situation? As Das rightly pointed > out, there is no SJVC without Sanjay. What is Dinanatha going to do > with sjvc-usa if he doesnt regard Sanjay as the real head of sjvc? > SELL SANJAY's BOOKS AND LECTURES? People joined sjvc for Sanjay and > his team of jyotish gurus, and all of them except Dinanatha are > behind Sanjay. > > What Dinanatha has done is immoral, unethical and a breach of trust > of guru. The only reason he is still in the picture is > because "legally" he is head of sjvc-usa. > > OK, enough is enough. I posted this because I strongly felt people > are getting diverted from the issue at hand - the moral, ethical and > righteous ownership of sjvc-usa. The issue is NOT whether Sri Robert > Koch honors his vegetarian vows or Pt. Sanjay smokes cigarettes or > whether organizational changes at sjvc-usa should have been done in a > more diplomatic and professional manner. > > OK, enough of this. My point is made and unless otherwise needed, I > would rather not talk about this. Hope Mr. Dinanatha realizes his > mistakes, soothes his wounded ego and returns what doesnt belong to > him to its original founder. > > Peace, > -Siva. > > gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > > Hello Schinnas: > > > > The item of dispute is SJVC-USA website. Per United States law, > > Sanjay isn't the founder of this website, Dinanath is. Siva, I'm > > familiar with corporate law and have served on the board of two not- > > for-profit organization. > > > > Technically, when a corporation is setup, the incorporator has to > > file a list of officers and article of incorporation with the > > secretary of state. The corporate secretary will have the ultimate > > resposibilty for the corporation, i.e. filing t/rs, etc. The > articles > > of incorportion will state who are the shareholders and what class > of > > shares is the corp. authorized to issue, etc. > > > > For a not-for-profit corporation (NPO). There are no shares to be > > issue, no one has ownership. However, the board of directors run > this > > secretary of the board has the final responsibilty (non-resident > > aliens like Sanjay cannot be on the board or cannot serve as the > > secretary). > > > > Now, Dina is the secretary of SJVC-USA and therefore he has the > > final control and responsibilty for SJVC-USA website. > > > > Reality is that Sanjay is the founder of SJVC; however, I don't > think > > he has registered SJVC as a tradmark in USA and I don't think he is > > named on the board of directors for SJVC-USA. > > > > Now, the example you just gave doesn't apply here as Sanjay has no > > LEGAL right to fire Dinanath as LEGALLY (per US corporate law) > Sanjay > > has nothing to do with SJVC-USA. Unless, there is something > mentioned > > in the articles of incorportion that I don't know about. Therefore, > > per your example, Sanjay can't fire Dinanath. In fact, Dina can > > legally fire the others if the majority of the board is in his > favor. > > > > MD > > > > > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote: > > > hi MD! > > > I dont find any fault with Robert cautioning members of SJVC > that > > > Dinanatha was expelled and no sjvc member should regard him as > > > his/her guru. I give you a parallel. > > > > > > I am in US and software industry for just few years. But I have > > seen > > > 3 companies (2 startups and one Fortune 10, where I am currently > > at). > > > Whenever there is a layoff, it means the management loses trust > in > > a > > > person's ability and lets him go. Then they send a mail to all > that > > > so and so person doesnt work with the company any more. In case > if > > it > > > is a small company the fired employee hijacks the control of the > > > website/etc, then the management will call it as what it is - > > > HI-JACKING. Robert was very correct in doing what he did. It was > > his > > > duty as newly appointed president of SJVC-USA to let everyone > knwo > > > that Mr. Dinanatha had been expelled and has hijacked sjvcusa.org > > > against the wishes of the founder (Sanjay) using some legalities. > > > > > > That employee fired may have been very capable and it is very > > > possible that the whole thing is a misjudgement of the > management, > > > but the fact remains that the founder of the company has every > > right > > > to appoint men/women that he has confidence in. I dont see two > ways > > > here. It is very clear cut and simple. In fact, I am very > surprised > > > as to why there is so much heated mails on both sides when the > > issue > > > is so clear. > > > > > > I dont understand what skeletons in Pt. Sanjay's closet you are > > > talking here. Dinantha's accusations are nothing sort of slander. > > The > > > only error on Pt. Sanjay was he shouldnt have discussed > Dinanatha's > > > chart without his permission on a open forum. But he is wedded to > > the > > > Guru-shishya concept and still considered Dinanatha as his > student > > > who had gone astry and took some liberty with his status as guru. > > > > > > I must say one thing here. Confusions like these can be avoided > > only > > > if SJVC is a corporation as Sri. Das Goravani advised. Pt Sanjay > > can > > > donate the profits to poor if he doesnt want to us jyotish > teaching > > > for material gains. But lots of confusion will be avoided by > having > > > sjvc as a for-profit organization and running it in a > professional > > > manner. Anyways, it is for guru Sanjay to decide. I shouldnt be > > > talking ahead of myself! > > > > > > regards, > > > -Siva. > > > > > > gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > Hi Siva, nice to see you here. > > > > > > > > This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got to > be > > > > objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am I. > > > You're > > > > are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I. > > > > > > > > So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the first > > to > > > > post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along > with > > > > other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina > made > > a > > > > public rebuttal. > > > > > > > > As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina was > > the > > > > original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to > discredit > > > > Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements about > > > Dina's > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we get > to > > > know > > > > that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well. > > > > > > > > Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy > here. > > > > Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina is > > > > righteous. > > > > > > > > Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to > Robert's "son > > of > > > > bitch" allegation. > > > > > > > > Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate. > > > > > > > > MD > > > > > > > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres the > > > > > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a software > > > > > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to some > > > > extent) > > > > > in spirituality and astrology. > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks and > Pr. > > > > Sanjay > > > > > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of vedic > > > > astrology > > > > > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past 1 > > > month. > > > > > > > > > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc. I > > didnt > > > > > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it. This is > > my > > > > take > > > > > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath. PERIOD. He > > had > > > > > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever reasons, > he > > > has > > > > > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and he > > finds > > > > in > > > > > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization in > USA. > > > > > > > > > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or as a > > non > > > > > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri. > Goravani > > > > can > > > > > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay who > can > > > > > decide on these things. > > > > > > > > > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his organization/guru- > > > > sishya > > > > > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should know > > > that > > > > he > > > > > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other > behavior > > > > > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and childish. > > Shame > > > on > > > > > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his > faith > > on > > > > > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his > > > organization > > > > in > > > > > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights to > > the > > > > > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization from > its > > > > > founder. > > > > > > > > > > To Mr. Dinanatha: > > > > > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify here. > > In > > > > > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more you > are > > > > making > > > > > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what doesnt > > > belong > > > > > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel wronged. > You > > > may > > > > > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better" than > > other > > > > > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that SJVC > is > > > > > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He has > the > > > > right > > > > > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along, fine, > call > > > it > > > > > quits and go about with other tasks in life! > > > > > > > > > > To my guru Sanjay: > > > > > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and sincerity > > for > > > > > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and curse > > being > > > > > discussed on a public forum as something in the right dharma > of > > > > > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your > passion/enthusiasm > > > as > > > > a > > > > > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things to > > > > students > > > > > using Dinanatha's chart as case study. > > > > > > > > > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on you. > > Just > > > > > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof enough > of > > > > your > > > > > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild > > > > slanderous > > > > > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry > about > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > To Sri. Das Goravani: > > > > > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought > provoking. > > > > > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen > > though > > > > the > > > > > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned. Can > > > people > > > > > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior? > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > -Siva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear MD, > Dina, if you're reading, please let us all know, what hurt you somuch > that you had to take physical possession of the website? One thing that I cannot stand in life in lying. I cannot stand people lying about others or people lying about me. 1.Laxmi long back lied to Sanjay that Kusa devi recommended her to Sanjay and Sanjay admitted her to SJVC. She denies this even today which means that Kusa was lying according to Laxmi. I was personally present when Kusa told Sanjay that Laxmi lied about that Kusa recommended her to Sanjay to join SJVC and than Sanjay expressed his surprise. Than he said if he had known that he would never accept Laxmi to SJVC. Kusa, Sanjay and myself were there not only 2 persons. I am ready to go to any court and testify this and I am sure that Kusa is too since I just spoke to her today. 2. Annual fee for sjvcusa.org was due and I send an email to varahamihira and achyuta groups asking if there are any volunteers to donate $70 for annual fee for website. Few responded and first of them was Phyllis Chubb. Other who responded I told them that we got donor for the web site but if they would like they can help us with fees for filling federal tax exemption. Narayan Iyer and Suresh Konda pledged $600 and $108 respectively. Next thing I know is an email from Narasimha Rao to Sanjay and myself in which he is forwarding an email from Narayan Iyer: Narasimha wrote: In Dina-natha's mail, he said Narayan and Suresh wanted to donate. But Narayan sent me a mail yesterday: Forwarded message from Narayan Iyer: START<<<<I just recd. an email from Brendan & and call from Lakshmi Devi. The matter is clarified now. Brendan has asked me to fill you in. Here's the problem: It seems Mr. Dinanatha Dasa has been acting on his own whims and fancies, and opened up an non-profit organization called SJVC in New Jersey without informing anybody. Moreover, he is not listening to Sanjay and/or Brendan or for that matter anybody and has been demanding that he be paid for his services. So, Brendan has decided(and Sanjay knows about this) to start and setup SJVC in New Jersey. I dont know the details yet, but will keep you updated. I had initially(unknowingly) promised Dinanatha a sum of $600 towards the establishment of his organization. Now, that I know the details, I will be using that to sponsor Sanjay's stay for the extended period.>>>>END Now after reading this it is obvious that Laxmi and Brendan lied to Narayan Iyer "that I am acting on my own whims and fancies and that I opened non-profit organization SJVC in NJ without informing anybody" , "that I am not listening Sanjay and Brendan" and "that I am demanding to be paid for my services". Can you believe how low-class Laxmi and Brendan can go? Everyone knows that Kusa and myself setup SJVC in NJ on Sanjay's request (and Sanjay admits this) and I never charged for any services rendered for SJVC. It is also evident from this email that Sanjay has instructed Brendan to setup another SJVC organization of some kind. It is obvious that Laxmi and Brendan didn't want that Narayan Iyer and Suresh Konda (who did send his donation to SJVC) send money to SJVC-USA but they wanted to deceive and mislead Narayan so that existing SJVC-USA couldn't progress so fast. Above email by Narayan Iyer email can be used as court document and Narayan Iyer, Narasimha Rao, Sanjay Rath and myself can be called upon to testify on court about this message if need be. After this I've send about 5 private messages to Sanjay Rath requesting him to stop Laxmi and Brendan lying about me like this and that they should apologize. Of course Sanjay never replied to any of my emails and definitely didn't ask them to apologize or to stop lying about me which continues even today. Sanjay should've as their Guru too as well as head of SJVC ask them at least to stop lying like this about me. What continued later was fight on Achyuta list where I was pointing out that Robert, Laxmi and Brendan have no credibility to head SJVC even as separate organization if already at the beginning they resorted to lies and deceit for which I have proofs and witnesses. Than Robert and other were arguing against me and that was going on Achyuta list. The peak came when Robert decided to put organizational structure of his organization on our web site which doesn't belong him or his organization in any way (and never was) and when I removed that and put organizational structure of SJVC-USA registered in NJ by Kusa and myself. Robert than went just mad and started sending his emails to all Jyotish related mailing lists to blaspheming me. And on top of that he accused me of hacking SJVC web site (that he never had anything to do with or his organization and was never meant to have), presenting false information on our website (because I removed info about his organization and put legal info about SJVC-USA to which the site belongs) and so many nonsense lies. The rest you know. The web site www.sjvcusa.org was registered by myself, payment for first year was done by Narasimha Rao and all other payments for the www.sjvcusa.org were paid by myself. Sanjay instructed Robert, Brendan and Laxmi to setup their own organization as it is very clear but they were always greedy to take over existing SJVC-USA instead. Now they came to their senses (to some extent) and formed SJC (Sri Jagannath Center). We never had anything to do with their organization but we were constantly harassed by Robert, Laxmi and Brendan as you can see from above text.. So this is what I cannot stand, lies from Laxmi, Brendan and Robert. I am ready to go to any court and testify what I just wrote. In case someone wants to call me to court to testify what I just wrote my legal name is Dejan Kocic and my current address is: 10310 Oaklyn Drive, Potomac, MD 20854. Hare Krishna, Dinanatha Das. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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