My first post here (reg SJVC)--to Renee--from MD

[Guest guest]

Well said Renee, very well-said.

 

Just because majority is speaking for Sanjay doesn't mean they're

speaking the whole truth. Read my mail on legal owneship--legally,

Dina owns the website. Ethically, Sanjay does.

 

Dina seems like a level-headed, well-read intelligent guy and I don't

think he'd take possession of the website without a reason. There is

more here than what meets the eyes.

 

Well, at least Dina didn't curse and swear and threaten people with

bodily harm as Robert just did. This increases my faith in what Dina

is stating and decreases my faith in Robert as the NOW secretary of

SJVC-USA. Can you believe this, if the corporate secretary of my

company uses profanity in addressing someone (even an adversay), he'd

definitely get fired.

 

MD

 

 

gjlist, "Renee Serrano" <RSERRANO@R...> wrote:

>

>

> >>> schinnas 10/03/02 04:09PM >>>

> Renee,

> My parellel was about firing incompetent people. USe of the word

> lay-off was a mistake on my part.

>

> [me]

> Glad you clarified it then.

>

> [you]

>

> Talking of ethics,

> The main issue here is Dinanatha hi-jacking SJVC-usa which belong

to

> Sanjay.

>

> [me]

> Read the post on non profit organizations and legalities. Sounds

logical to me.

>

> [you]

>

> Whatever good karma Mr. Dinanatha has done so far, he erased all

that

> with his acts on sjvc-usa. I have nothing against him.

>

> [me]

> But you are making judgement calls on him. This should be

discussed elsewhere. No man should be crucified publically.

>

> [you]

> I dont even

> know him. I am saying this because what he did/doing is obviously

> unethical and immoral and it hurts students of sjvc like myself.

>

> [me]

> In my long life and in the gov't work in which I live and

breathe....there is that saying where there's smoke there's fire

OR "methinks thou doth protest too much" meaning that I reserve

judgement until the fat lady sings. I trust very few and those who

pat themselves on the back as having the best interests of everyone

concerned (like politicians do) really don't impress me. It gets

OLD. That's why we American's sometimes go for the underdog because

the overlords can seem very pompous at times.

>

> We've heard it all before. Same crap...different lifetime:o)

>

> [you]

> Reg Pt. Sanjay discussing Dinanatha's chart, it is not uncommon in

> India where jyotish is taught in a traditional guru-shishya manner.

>

> {me]

> Glad I don't live in India...LOL

>

> [you]

> My friend who learned that way in person from a guru told me his

guru

> will take one of the students chart and discuss - both good and bad

> aspects of it will all the students. It is an accepted practise and

> Sanjay is running sjvc in that traditional indian culture.

>

> [me]

> But still......then let it be done in the privacy of what...group

study amongst peers and not out in front of strangers. It's akin to

what we call 'airing your dirty laundry' which is not kosher amongst

some of us.

>

> [you]

> It may be

> unethical here. However I dont understand why Sanjay did that on

this

> list. If he wanted to do that, he should have done it on a

> restricted, members only sjvc list like varahamihira.

>

> [me]

> BINGO! Hence you need to ask more questions, dig a little deeper,

be the detective until you get answers.

>

> Not answers everyone else wants you to believe.

>

> [you]

>

> But as I said, that is not the issue at hand. Let us not deviate

from

> the main issue which is Dinanatha hi-jacking sjvcusa.org using his

> legal status given to him by the SJVC founder - Sanjay.

>

> [me]

> That may be your main issue but it's not THE only issue as it is

ALL under the same hat so I disagree...sowwy.

>

> Renee from Riverside County, CA

>

> Peace,

> -Siva.

>

> gjlist, "Renee Serrano" <RSERRANO@R...> wrote:

> > It is unethical to use another person's chart against them

> publically. A person's chart is confidential and on a personal

level

> it is not information that is for the public.

> >

> > Anyone with any class would keep private matters in

a 'corporation'

> or organization private rather then have a feeding fest amongst

both

> strangers and members. It is unnecessary pain and agony for both

> sides whoever they are.

> >

> > And I live not too far from you in Riverside County, raised in

> Orange County where you are at and it is not always (less likely)

the

> situation that when a company lays off people.....that it is

because

> somehow those workers are not good enough or what have you. Most

of

> the time it is due to budget cutbacks in the U.S. I am a native

born

> in California. This is normal and now with the huge downturn in

> business, this is happening more and more unfortunately.

> >

> > Can we stop brown nosing please? It's nauseating.

> >

> > Renee

> >

> > >>> schinnas 10/03/02 03:49PM >>>

> > hi MD!

> > I dont find any fault with Robert cautioning members of SJVC

that

> > Dinanatha was expelled and no sjvc member should regard him as

> > his/her guru. I give you a parallel.

> >

> > I am in US and software industry for just few years. But I have

> seen

> > 3 companies (2 startups and one Fortune 10, where I am currently

> at).

> > Whenever there is a layoff, it means the management loses trust

in

> a

> > person's ability and lets him go. Then they send a mail to all

that

> > so and so person doesnt work with the company any more. In case

if

> it

> > is a small company the fired employee hijacks the control of the

> > website/etc, then the management will call it as what it is -

> > HI-JACKING. Robert was very correct in doing what he did. It was

> his

> > duty as newly appointed president of SJVC-USA to let everyone

knwo

> > that Mr. Dinanatha had been expelled and has hijacked sjvcusa.org

> > against the wishes of the founder (Sanjay) using some legalities.

> >

> > That employee fired may have been very capable and it is very

> > possible that the whole thing is a misjudgement of the

management,

> > but the fact remains that the founder of the company has every

> right

> > to appoint men/women that he has confidence in. I dont see two

ways

> > here. It is very clear cut and simple. In fact, I am very

surprised

> > as to why there is so much heated mails on both sides when the

> issue

> > is so clear.

> >

> > I dont understand what skeletons in Pt. Sanjay's closet you are

> > talking here. Dinantha's accusations are nothing sort of slander.

> The

> > only error on Pt. Sanjay was he shouldnt have discussed

Dinanatha's

> > chart without his permission on a open forum. But he is wedded to

> the

> > Guru-shishya concept and still considered Dinanatha as his

student

> > who had gone astry and took some liberty with his status as guru.

> >

> > I must say one thing here. Confusions like these can be avoided

> only

> > if SJVC is a corporation as Sri. Das Goravani advised. Pt Sanjay

> can

> > donate the profits to poor if he doesnt want to us jyotish

teaching

> > for material gains. But lots of confusion will be avoided by

having

> > sjvc as a for-profit organization and running it in a

professional

> > manner. Anyways, it is for guru Sanjay to decide. I shouldnt be

> > talking ahead of myself!

> >

> > regards,

> > -Siva.

> >

> > gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> > > Hi Siva, nice to see you here.

> > >

> > > This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got to

be

> > > objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am I.

> > You're

> > > are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I.

> > >

> > > So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the first

> to

> > > post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along

with

> > > other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina

made

> a

> > > public rebuttal.

> > >

> > > As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina was

> the

> > > original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to

discredit

> > > Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements about

> > Dina's

> > > chart.

> > >

> > > Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we get

to

> > know

> > > that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well.

> > >

> > > Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy

here.

> > > Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina is

> > > righteous.

> > >

> > > Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to

Robert's "son

> of

> > > bitch" allegation.

> > >

> > > Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate.

> > >

> > > MD

> > >

> > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote:

> > > > Hello all,

> > > > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres the

> > > > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a software

> > > > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to some

> > > extent)

> > > > in spirituality and astrology.

> > > >

> > > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks and

Pr.

> > > Sanjay

> > > > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of vedic

> > > astrology

> > > > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past 1

> > month.

> > > >

> > > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc. I

> didnt

> > > > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it. This is

> my

> > > take

> > > > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath. PERIOD. He

> had

> > > > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever reasons,

he

> > has

> > > > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and he

> finds

> > > in

> > > > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization in

USA.

> > > >

> > > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or as a

> non

> > > > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri.

Goravani

> > > can

> > > > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay who

can

> > > > decide on these things.

> > > >

> > > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his organization/guru-

> > > sishya

> > > > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should know

> > that

> > > he

> > > > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other

behavior

> > > > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and childish.

> Shame

> > on

> > > > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his

faith

> on

> > > > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his

> > organization

> > > in

> > > > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights to

> the

> > > > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization from

its

> > > > founder.

> > > >

> > > > To Mr. Dinanatha:

> > > > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify here.

> In

> > > > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more you

are

> > > making

> > > > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what doesnt

> > belong

> > > > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel wronged.

You

> > may

> > > > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better" than

> other

> > > > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that SJVC

is

> > > > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He has

the

> > > right

> > > > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along, fine,

call

> > it

> > > > quits and go about with other tasks in life!

> > > >

> > > > To my guru Sanjay:

> > > > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and sincerity

> for

> > > > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and curse

> being

> > > > discussed on a public forum as something in the right dharma

of

> > > > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your

passion/enthusiasm

> > as

> > > a

> > > > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things to

> > > students

> > > > using Dinanatha's chart as case study.

> > > >

> > > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on you.

> Just

> > > > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof enough

of

> > > your

> > > > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild

> > > slanderous

> > > > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry

about

> > > that.

> > > >

> > > > To Sri. Das Goravani:

> > > > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought

provoking.

> > > > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen

> though

> > > the

> > > > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned. Can

> > people

> > > > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior?

> > > >

> > > > Peace,

> > > > -Siva.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-@e...

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-@e...

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

 

[Guest guest]

No kidding. And when I see such a lack of understanding as to WHY someone would

be angry and defend himself instead of laying down and 'taking it' from the

whippings that those in power are attempting to do.....well....makes me highly

suspicious.

 

People always expect those they ousted to just lay there and take it quietly and

when they don't, they get ganged up on and further abused which really bites in

my humble opinion. Like he's REALLY going to just shut up and roll over? I

would say "think again" if I were him....yeah right. When hell freezes over I

hope.

 

As far as a leader swearing in such a way publically does not paint a pretty

picture for some. Some would pass it off as that person being human and that's

certainly true...we're all human however some would not pass it over as a leader

should behave a little better as a role model for others then those he leads and

control his temper better then that. As to this whole thing making this man's

wife and mother cry...I don't get that....like ummmmmmm....why? Just go do

another site. Might take some time but research the RIGHT way to do it legally

so everyone is happy from mighty leader down to adoring devotee (that run the

site I mean...) and get over the past. Whatever. Life goes on. This too shall

pass.

 

Renee

 

>>> monmuk111 10/03/02 04:30PM >>>

Well said Renee, very well-said.

 

Just because majority is speaking for Sanjay doesn't mean they're

speaking the whole truth. Read my mail on legal owneship--legally,

Dina owns the website. Ethically, Sanjay does.

 

Dina seems like a level-headed, well-read intelligent guy and I don't

think he'd take possession of the website without a reason. There is

more here than what meets the eyes.

 

Well, at least Dina didn't curse and swear and threaten people with

bodily harm as Robert just did. This increases my faith in what Dina

is stating and decreases my faith in Robert as the NOW secretary of

SJVC-USA. Can you believe this, if the corporate secretary of my

company uses profanity in addressing someone (even an adversay), he'd

definitely get fired.

 

MD

 

 

gjlist, "Renee Serrano" <RSERRANO@R...> wrote:

>

>

> >>> schinnas 10/03/02 04:09PM >>>

> Renee,

> My parellel was about firing incompetent people. USe of the word

> lay-off was a mistake on my part.

>

> [me]

> Glad you clarified it then.

>

> [you]

>

> Talking of ethics,

> The main issue here is Dinanatha hi-jacking SJVC-usa which belong

to

> Sanjay.

>

> [me]

> Read the post on non profit organizations and legalities. Sounds

logical to me.

>

> [you]

>

> Whatever good karma Mr. Dinanatha has done so far, he erased all

that

> with his acts on sjvc-usa. I have nothing against him.

>

> [me]

> But you are making judgement calls on him. This should be

discussed elsewhere. No man should be crucified publically.

>

> [you]

> I dont even

> know him. I am saying this because what he did/doing is obviously

> unethical and immoral and it hurts students of sjvc like myself.

>

> [me]

> In my long life and in the gov't work in which I live and

breathe....there is that saying where there's smoke there's fire

OR "methinks thou doth protest too much" meaning that I reserve

judgement until the fat lady sings. I trust very few and those who

pat themselves on the back as having the best interests of everyone

concerned (like politicians do) really don't impress me. It gets

OLD. That's why we American's sometimes go for the underdog because

the overlords can seem very pompous at times.

>

> We've heard it all before. Same crap...different lifetime:o)

>

> [you]

> Reg Pt. Sanjay discussing Dinanatha's chart, it is not uncommon in

> India where jyotish is taught in a traditional guru-shishya manner.

>

> {me]

> Glad I don't live in India...LOL

>

> [you]

> My friend who learned that way in person from a guru told me his

guru

> will take one of the students chart and discuss - both good and bad

> aspects of it will all the students. It is an accepted practise and

> Sanjay is running sjvc in that traditional indian culture.

>

> [me]

> But still......then let it be done in the privacy of what...group

study amongst peers and not out in front of strangers. It's akin to

what we call 'airing your dirty laundry' which is not kosher amongst

some of us.

>

> [you]

> It may be

> unethical here. However I dont understand why Sanjay did that on

this

> list. If he wanted to do that, he should have done it on a

> restricted, members only sjvc list like varahamihira.

>

> [me]

> BINGO! Hence you need to ask more questions, dig a little deeper,

be the detective until you get answers.

>

> Not answers everyone else wants you to believe.

>

> [you]

>

> But as I said, that is not the issue at hand. Let us not deviate

from

> the main issue which is Dinanatha hi-jacking sjvcusa.org using his

> legal status given to him by the SJVC founder - Sanjay.

>

> [me]

> That may be your main issue but it's not THE only issue as it is

ALL under the same hat so I disagree...sowwy.

>

> Renee from Riverside County, CA

>

> Peace,

> -Siva.

>

> gjlist, "Renee Serrano" <RSERRANO@R...> wrote:

> > It is unethical to use another person's chart against them

> publically. A person's chart is confidential and on a personal

level

> it is not information that is for the public.

> >

> > Anyone with any class would keep private matters in

a 'corporation'

> or organization private rather then have a feeding fest amongst

both

> strangers and members. It is unnecessary pain and agony for both

> sides whoever they are.

> >

> > And I live not too far from you in Riverside County, raised in

> Orange County where you are at and it is not always (less likely)

the

> situation that when a company lays off people.....that it is

because

> somehow those workers are not good enough or what have you. Most

of

> the time it is due to budget cutbacks in the U.S. I am a native

born

> in California. This is normal and now with the huge downturn in

> business, this is happening more and more unfortunately.

> >

> > Can we stop brown nosing please? It's nauseating.

> >

> > Renee

> >

> > >>> schinnas 10/03/02 03:49PM >>>

> > hi MD!

> > I dont find any fault with Robert cautioning members of SJVC

that

> > Dinanatha was expelled and no sjvc member should regard him as

> > his/her guru. I give you a parallel.

> >

> > I am in US and software industry for just few years. But I have

> seen

> > 3 companies (2 startups and one Fortune 10, where I am currently

> at).

> > Whenever there is a layoff, it means the management loses trust

in

> a

> > person's ability and lets him go. Then they send a mail to all

that

> > so and so person doesnt work with the company any more. In case

if

> it

> > is a small company the fired employee hijacks the control of the

> > website/etc, then the management will call it as what it is -

> > HI-JACKING. Robert was very correct in doing what he did. It was

> his

> > duty as newly appointed president of SJVC-USA to let everyone

knwo

> > that Mr. Dinanatha had been expelled and has hijacked sjvcusa.org

> > against the wishes of the founder (Sanjay) using some legalities.

> >

> > That employee fired may have been very capable and it is very

> > possible that the whole thing is a misjudgement of the

management,

> > but the fact remains that the founder of the company has every

> right

> > to appoint men/women that he has confidence in. I dont see two

ways

> > here. It is very clear cut and simple. In fact, I am very

surprised

> > as to why there is so much heated mails on both sides when the

> issue

> > is so clear.

> >

> > I dont understand what skeletons in Pt. Sanjay's closet you are

> > talking here. Dinantha's accusations are nothing sort of slander.

> The

> > only error on Pt. Sanjay was he shouldnt have discussed

Dinanatha's

> > chart without his permission on a open forum. But he is wedded to

> the

> > Guru-shishya concept and still considered Dinanatha as his

student

> > who had gone astry and took some liberty with his status as guru.

> >

> > I must say one thing here. Confusions like these can be avoided

> only

> > if SJVC is a corporation as Sri. Das Goravani advised. Pt Sanjay

> can

> > donate the profits to poor if he doesnt want to us jyotish

teaching

> > for material gains. But lots of confusion will be avoided by

having

> > sjvc as a for-profit organization and running it in a

professional

> > manner. Anyways, it is for guru Sanjay to decide. I shouldnt be

> > talking ahead of myself!

> >

> > regards,

> > -Siva.

> >

> > gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> > > Hi Siva, nice to see you here.

> > >

> > > This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got to

be

> > > objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am I.

> > You're

> > > are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I.

> > >

> > > So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the first

> to

> > > post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along

with

> > > other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina

made

> a

> > > public rebuttal.

> > >

> > > As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina was

> the

> > > original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to

discredit

> > > Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements about

> > Dina's

> > > chart.

> > >

> > > Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we get

to

> > know

> > > that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well.

> > >

> > > Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy

here.

> > > Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina is

> > > righteous.

> > >

> > > Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to

Robert's "son

> of

> > > bitch" allegation.

> > >

> > > Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate.

> > >

> > > MD

> > >

> > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote:

> > > > Hello all,

> > > > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres the

> > > > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a software

> > > > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to some

> > > extent)

> > > > in spirituality and astrology.

> > > >

> > > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks and

Pr.

> > > Sanjay

> > > > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of vedic

> > > astrology

> > > > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past 1

> > month.

> > > >

> > > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc. I

> didnt

> > > > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it. This is

> my

> > > take

> > > > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath. PERIOD. He

> had

> > > > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever reasons,

he

> > has

> > > > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and he

> finds

> > > in

> > > > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization in

USA.

> > > >

> > > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or as a

> non

> > > > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri.

Goravani

> > > can

> > > > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay who

can

> > > > decide on these things.

> > > >

> > > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his organization/guru-

> > > sishya

> > > > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should know

> > that

> > > he

> > > > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other

behavior

> > > > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and childish.

> Shame

> > on

> > > > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his

faith

> on

> > > > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his

> > organization

> > > in

> > > > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights to

> the

> > > > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization from

its

> > > > founder.

> > > >

> > > > To Mr. Dinanatha:

> > > > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify here.

> In

> > > > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more you

are

> > > making

> > > > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what doesnt

> > belong

> > > > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel wronged.

You

> > may

> > > > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better" than

> other

> > > > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that SJVC

is

> > > > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He has

the

> > > right

> > > > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along, fine,

call

> > it

> > > > quits and go about with other tasks in life!

> > > >

> > > > To my guru Sanjay:

> > > > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and sincerity

> for

> > > > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and curse

> being

> > > > discussed on a public forum as something in the right dharma

of

> > > > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your

passion/enthusiasm

> > as

> > > a

> > > > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things to

> > > students

> > > > using Dinanatha's chart as case study.

> > > >

> > > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on you.

> Just

> > > > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof enough

of

> > > your

> > > > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild

> > > slanderous

> > > > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry

about

> > > that.

> > > >

> > > > To Sri. Das Goravani:

> > > > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought

provoking.

> > > > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen

> though

> > > the

> > > > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned. Can

> > people

> > > > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior?

> > > >

> > > > Peace,

> > > > -Siva.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-@e...

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-@e...

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

 

 

 

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