Some final thoughts on SJVC, Sri. Dinanatha , etc

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Mr. Desai,

Glad that you agree on the ethical ownership. It is also very

obvious that sjvc-usa is of NO useto Dinanath, without Sanjay and his

gurus like PVR, visti, robert, etc. So it is evident Mr. Dinanath is

using his legal status to assume control of sjvc-usa from its real

founder just to hurt the founder or soothe his ego or drive home his

point, whatever that is.

 

I was also a bit shocked by Sri Robert's language in that mail.

Looks like some of these accusations made by Dinanatha who DOESNT

actually know Robert got to his nerve and he lost control.

 

In one startup that I know, a system administrator was fired and he

tried to bring down the whole company network before he packed his

bags. In his mind he was right as he felt he was wrongly fired.

Normally companies change root passwords when sys admins are

fired/laidoff, but either this company trusted him or were not street

smart and failed to do it. That sys admin dude was actually more

sincere and more competent than his replacement, but if the founders

of the company think the other way, then what can you do. It is the

company's loss and not his. But he complicated matters by trying to

sabotaging the network to hurt his manager whom he held responsible

for he getting fired.

 

This looks very similar to Sri. Dinanatha's case. Seems like Mr.

Dinanatha somehow couldnt come to terms with the fact that the

founder has sort of fired him. Dinanatha might feel wronged because

he probably thinks he is more righteous and sincere to head sjvc than

Robert. But dont you think Sanjay is the person that should decide

who administers branches of his organization that teaches jyotish the

way Sanjay's forefathers and gurus have taught traditionally.?

Dinanatha's intelligence or grasp of jyotish knowledge are immaterial

to the issue at hand. If Dinanatha thinks he is wronged and he is

more capable than Robert in running a jyptish/spritual organization,

why doesnt he start his own instead of hijacking (ethically that is)

what should belong to Sanjay and his team of gurus.

 

That said, in any non-profit organization this will be a problem.

Definitely Mr. Dinanatha must have spent some efforts on establishing

sjvc-usa at the request of Sanjay. If his was a paid position, it

will be easy for Sanjay to replace Dinanatha as Sanjay is not

obligated to him. However, since Dinanatha/anyone in that position

would have done or supposedly does render his/her services for free,

replacing such persons is bound to give hard feelings. How do you

compensate a person like Mr. Dinanatha who has offered his services

for free when you want to replace him without hurting his feelings.

 

-Siva.

 

gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> Siva:

>

> I do agree that Sanjay has the ethical ownership. But, there is

more

> here than what meets the eyes. Why would a decent, very well-read

> person like Dina take control of the website?

>

> Dina, if you're reading, please let us all know, what hurt you

somuch

> that you had to take physical possession of the website?

>

> MD

>

> gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote:

> > MD,

> > Dont you see the stupidity of the situation? As Das rightly

> pointed

> > out, there is no SJVC without Sanjay. What is Dinanatha going to

do

> > with sjvc-usa if he doesnt regard Sanjay as the real head of

sjvc?

> > SELL SANJAY's BOOKS AND LECTURES? People joined sjvc for Sanjay

and

> > his team of jyotish gurus, and all of them except Dinanatha are

> > behind Sanjay.

> >

> > What Dinanatha has done is immoral, unethical and a breach of

trust

> > of guru. The only reason he is still in the picture is

> > because "legally" he is head of sjvc-usa.

> >

> > OK, enough is enough. I posted this because I strongly felt

people

> > are getting diverted from the issue at hand - the moral, ethical

> and

> > righteous ownership of sjvc-usa. The issue is NOT whether Sri

> Robert

> > Koch honors his vegetarian vows or Pt. Sanjay smokes cigarettes

or

> > whether organizational changes at sjvc-usa should have been done

in

> a

> > more diplomatic and professional manner.

> >

> > OK, enough of this. My point is made and unless otherwise needed,

I

> > would rather not talk about this. Hope Mr. Dinanatha realizes his

> > mistakes, soothes his wounded ego and returns what doesnt belong

to

> > him to its original founder.

> >

> > Peace,

> > -Siva.

> >

> > gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> > > Hello Schinnas:

> > >

> > > The item of dispute is SJVC-USA website. Per United States law,

> > > Sanjay isn't the founder of this website, Dinanath is. Siva,

I'm

> > > familiar with corporate law and have served on the board of two

> not-

> > > for-profit organization.

> > >

> > > Technically, when a corporation is setup, the incorporator has

to

> > > file a list of officers and article of incorporation with the

> > > secretary of state. The corporate secretary will have the

> ultimate

> > > resposibilty for the corporation, i.e. filing t/rs, etc. The

> > articles

> > > of incorportion will state who are the shareholders and what

> class

> > of

> > > shares is the corp. authorized to issue, etc.

> > >

> > > For a not-for-profit corporation (NPO). There are no shares to

be

> > > issue, no one has ownership. However, the board of directors

run

> > this

> > > secretary of the board has the final responsibilty (non-

resident

> > > aliens like Sanjay cannot be on the board or cannot serve as

the

> > > secretary).

> > >

> > > Now, Dina is the secretary of SJVC-USA and therefore he has

the

> > > final control and responsibilty for SJVC-USA website.

> > >

> > > Reality is that Sanjay is the founder of SJVC; however, I don't

> > think

> > > he has registered SJVC as a tradmark in USA and I don't think

he

> is

> > > named on the board of directors for SJVC-USA.

> > >

> > > Now, the example you just gave doesn't apply here as Sanjay has

> no

> > > LEGAL right to fire Dinanath as LEGALLY (per US corporate law)

> > Sanjay

> > > has nothing to do with SJVC-USA. Unless, there is something

> > mentioned

> > > in the articles of incorportion that I don't know about.

> Therefore,

> > > per your example, Sanjay can't fire Dinanath. In fact, Dina can

> > > legally fire the others if the majority of the board is in his

> > favor.

> > >

> > > MD

> > >

> > >

> > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote:

> > > > hi MD!

> > > > I dont find any fault with Robert cautioning members of

SJVC

> > that

> > > > Dinanatha was expelled and no sjvc member should regard him

as

> > > > his/her guru. I give you a parallel.

> > > >

> > > > I am in US and software industry for just few years. But I

have

> > > seen

> > > > 3 companies (2 startups and one Fortune 10, where I am

> currently

> > > at).

> > > > Whenever there is a layoff, it means the management loses

trust

> > in

> > > a

> > > > person's ability and lets him go. Then they send a mail to

all

> > that

> > > > so and so person doesnt work with the company any more. In

case

> > if

> > > it

> > > > is a small company the fired employee hijacks the control of

> the

> > > > website/etc, then the management will call it as what it is -

> > > > HI-JACKING. Robert was very correct in doing what he did. It

> was

> > > his

> > > > duty as newly appointed president of SJVC-USA to let everyone

> > knwo

> > > > that Mr. Dinanatha had been expelled and has hijacked

> sjvcusa.org

> > > > against the wishes of the founder (Sanjay) using some

> legalities.

> > > >

> > > > That employee fired may have been very capable and it is very

> > > > possible that the whole thing is a misjudgement of the

> > management,

> > > > but the fact remains that the founder of the company has

every

> > > right

> > > > to appoint men/women that he has confidence in. I dont see

two

> > ways

> > > > here. It is very clear cut and simple. In fact, I am very

> > surprised

> > > > as to why there is so much heated mails on both sides when

the

> > > issue

> > > > is so clear.

> > > >

> > > > I dont understand what skeletons in Pt. Sanjay's closet you

are

> > > > talking here. Dinantha's accusations are nothing sort of

> slander.

> > > The

> > > > only error on Pt. Sanjay was he shouldnt have discussed

> > Dinanatha's

> > > > chart without his permission on a open forum. But he is

wedded

> to

> > > the

> > > > Guru-shishya concept and still considered Dinanatha as his

> > student

> > > > who had gone astry and took some liberty with his status as

> guru.

> > > >

> > > > I must say one thing here. Confusions like these can be

avoided

> > > only

> > > > if SJVC is a corporation as Sri. Das Goravani advised. Pt

> Sanjay

> > > can

> > > > donate the profits to poor if he doesnt want to us jyotish

> > teaching

> > > > for material gains. But lots of confusion will be avoided by

> > having

> > > > sjvc as a for-profit organization and running it in a

> > professional

> > > > manner. Anyways, it is for guru Sanjay to decide. I shouldnt

be

> > > > talking ahead of myself!

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > -Siva.

> > > >

> > > > gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> > > > > Hi Siva, nice to see you here.

> > > > >

> > > > > This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got

to

> > be

> > > > > objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am

> I.

> > > > You're

> > > > > are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I.

> > > > >

> > > > > So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the

> first

> > > to

> > > > > post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along

> > with

> > > > > other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina

> > made

> > > a

> > > > > public rebuttal.

> > > > >

> > > > > As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina

> was

> > > the

> > > > > original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to

> > discredit

> > > > > Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements

> about

> > > > Dina's

> > > > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we

get

> > to

> > > > know

> > > > > that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy

> > here.

> > > > > Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina

is

> > > > > righteous.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to

> > Robert's "son

> > > of

> > > > > bitch" allegation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate.

> > > > >

> > > > > MD

> > > > >

> > > > > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote:

> > > > > > Hello all,

> > > > > > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres

> the

> > > > > > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a

> software

> > > > > > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to

> some

> > > > > extent)

> > > > > > in spirituality and astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks

and

> > Pr.

> > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of

vedic

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past

1

> > > > month.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc.

I

> > > didnt

> > > > > > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it.

This

> is

> > > my

> > > > > take

> > > > > > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath.

PERIOD.

> He

> > > had

> > > > > > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever

> reasons,

> > he

> > > > has

> > > > > > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and

he

> > > finds

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization

in

> > USA.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or

as

> a

> > > non

> > > > > > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri.

> > Goravani

> > > > > can

> > > > > > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay

who

> > can

> > > > > > decide on these things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his

> organization/guru-

> > > > > sishya

> > > > > > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should

> know

> > > > that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other

> > behavior

> > > > > > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and

childish.

> > > Shame

> > > > on

> > > > > > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his

> > faith

> > > on

> > > > > > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his

> > > > organization

> > > > > in

> > > > > > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization

from

> > its

> > > > > > founder.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To Mr. Dinanatha:

> > > > > > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify

> here.

> > > In

> > > > > > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more

you

> > are

> > > > > making

> > > > > > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what

> doesnt

> > > > belong

> > > > > > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel

wronged.

> > You

> > > > may

> > > > > > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better"

than

> > > other

> > > > > > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that

> SJVC

> > is

> > > > > > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He

has

> > the

> > > > > right

> > > > > > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along,

fine,

> > call

> > > > it

> > > > > > quits and go about with other tasks in life!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To my guru Sanjay:

> > > > > > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and

> sincerity

> > > for

> > > > > > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and

curse

> > > being

> > > > > > discussed on a public forum as something in the right

> dharma

> > of

> > > > > > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your

> > passion/enthusiasm

> > > > as

> > > > > a

> > > > > > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things

> to

> > > > > students

> > > > > > using Dinanatha's chart as case study.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on

> you.

> > > Just

> > > > > > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof

> enough

> > of

> > > > > your

> > > > > > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild

> > > > > slanderous

> > > > > > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry

> > about

> > > > > that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To Sri. Das Goravani:

> > > > > > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought

> > provoking.

> > > > > > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen

> > > though

> > > > > the

> > > > > > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned.

> Can

> > > > people

> > > > > > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Peace,

> > > > > > -Siva.