My first post here (reg SJVC)--to Renee

[Guest guest]

Renee,

My parellel was about firing incompetent people. USe of the word

lay-off was a mistake on my part.

 

Talking of ethics,

The main issue here is Dinanatha hi-jacking SJVC-usa which belong to

Sanjay. It has caused so much headache and trouble for all students

of sjvc who used to use the website for buying books, reading

articles, etc. What Dinanatha has done is open deception and hi-

jacking though legally he can claim himself as the head of sjvc-usa.

Whatever good karma Mr. Dinanatha has done so far, he erased all that

with his acts on sjvc-usa. I have nothing against him. I dont even

know him. I am saying this because what he did/doing is obviously

unethical and immoral and it hurts students of sjvc like myself.

 

Reg Pt. Sanjay discussing Dinanatha's chart, it is not uncommon in

India where jyotish is taught in a traditional guru-shishya manner.

My friend who learned that way in person from a guru told me his guru

will take one of the students chart and discuss - both good and bad

aspects of it will all the students. It is an accepted practise and

Sanjay is running sjvc in that traditional indian culture. It may be

unethical here. However I dont understand why Sanjay did that on this

list. If he wanted to do that, he should have done it on a

restricted, members only sjvc list like varahamihira.

 

But as I said, that is not the issue at hand. Let us not deviate from

the main issue which is Dinanatha hi-jacking sjvcusa.org using his

legal status given to him by the SJVC founder - Sanjay.

 

Peace,

-Siva.

 

gjlist, "Renee Serrano" <RSERRANO@R...> wrote:

> It is unethical to use another person's chart against them

publically. A person's chart is confidential and on a personal level

it is not information that is for the public.

>

> Anyone with any class would keep private matters in a 'corporation'

or organization private rather then have a feeding fest amongst both

strangers and members. It is unnecessary pain and agony for both

sides whoever they are.

>

> And I live not too far from you in Riverside County, raised in

Orange County where you are at and it is not always (less likely) the

situation that when a company lays off people.....that it is because

somehow those workers are not good enough or what have you. Most of

the time it is due to budget cutbacks in the U.S. I am a native born

in California. This is normal and now with the huge downturn in

business, this is happening more and more unfortunately.

>

> Can we stop brown nosing please? It's nauseating.

>

> Renee

>

> >>> schinnas 10/03/02 03:49PM >>>

> hi MD!

> I dont find any fault with Robert cautioning members of SJVC that

> Dinanatha was expelled and no sjvc member should regard him as

> his/her guru. I give you a parallel.

>

> I am in US and software industry for just few years. But I have

seen

> 3 companies (2 startups and one Fortune 10, where I am currently

at).

> Whenever there is a layoff, it means the management loses trust in

a

> person's ability and lets him go. Then they send a mail to all that

> so and so person doesnt work with the company any more. In case if

it

> is a small company the fired employee hijacks the control of the

> website/etc, then the management will call it as what it is -

> HI-JACKING. Robert was very correct in doing what he did. It was

his

> duty as newly appointed president of SJVC-USA to let everyone knwo

> that Mr. Dinanatha had been expelled and has hijacked sjvcusa.org

> against the wishes of the founder (Sanjay) using some legalities.

>

> That employee fired may have been very capable and it is very

> possible that the whole thing is a misjudgement of the management,

> but the fact remains that the founder of the company has every

right

> to appoint men/women that he has confidence in. I dont see two ways

> here. It is very clear cut and simple. In fact, I am very surprised

> as to why there is so much heated mails on both sides when the

issue

> is so clear.

>

> I dont understand what skeletons in Pt. Sanjay's closet you are

> talking here. Dinantha's accusations are nothing sort of slander.

The

> only error on Pt. Sanjay was he shouldnt have discussed Dinanatha's

> chart without his permission on a open forum. But he is wedded to

the

> Guru-shishya concept and still considered Dinanatha as his student

> who had gone astry and took some liberty with his status as guru.

>

> I must say one thing here. Confusions like these can be avoided

only

> if SJVC is a corporation as Sri. Das Goravani advised. Pt Sanjay

can

> donate the profits to poor if he doesnt want to us jyotish teaching

> for material gains. But lots of confusion will be avoided by having

> sjvc as a for-profit organization and running it in a professional

> manner. Anyways, it is for guru Sanjay to decide. I shouldnt be

> talking ahead of myself!

>

> regards,

> -Siva.

>

> gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> > Hi Siva, nice to see you here.

> >

> > This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got to be

> > objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am I.

> You're

> > are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I.

> >

> > So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the first

to

> > post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along with

> > other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina made

a

> > public rebuttal.

> >

> > As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina was

the

> > original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to discredit

> > Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements about

> Dina's

> > chart.

> >

> > Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we get to

> know

> > that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well.

> >

> > Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy here.

> > Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina is

> > righteous.

> >

> > Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to Robert's "son

of

> > bitch" allegation.

> >

> > Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate.

> >

> > MD

> >

> > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote:

> > > Hello all,

> > > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres the

> > > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a software

> > > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to some

> > extent)

> > > in spirituality and astrology.

> > >

> > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks and Pr.

> > Sanjay

> > > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of vedic

> > astrology

> > > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past 1

> month.

> > >

> > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc. I

didnt

> > > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it. This is

my

> > take

> > > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath. PERIOD. He

had

> > > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever reasons, he

> has

> > > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and he

finds

> > in

> > > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization in USA.

> > >

> > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or as a

non

> > > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri. Goravani

> > can

> > > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay who can

> > > decide on these things.

> > >

> > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his organization/guru-

> > sishya

> > > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should know

> that

> > he

> > > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other behavior

> > > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and childish.

Shame

> on

> > > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his faith

on

> > > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his

> organization

> > in

> > > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights to

the

> > > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization from its

> > > founder.

> > >

> > > To Mr. Dinanatha:

> > > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify here.

In

> > > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more you are

> > making

> > > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what doesnt

> belong

> > > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel wronged. You

> may

> > > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better" than

other

> > > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that SJVC is

> > > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He has the

> > right

> > > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along, fine, call

> it

> > > quits and go about with other tasks in life!

> > >

> > > To my guru Sanjay:

> > > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and sincerity

for

> > > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and curse

being

> > > discussed on a public forum as something in the right dharma of

> > > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your passion/enthusiasm

> as

> > a

> > > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things to

> > students

> > > using Dinanatha's chart as case study.

> > >

> > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on you.

Just

> > > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof enough of

> > your

> > > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild

> > slanderous

> > > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry about

> > that.

> > >

> > > To Sri. Das Goravani:

> > > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought provoking.

> > > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen

though

> > the

> > > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned. Can

> people

> > > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior?

> > >

> > > Peace,

> > > -Siva.

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-@e...

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

 

[Guest guest]

>>> schinnas 10/03/02 04:09PM >>>

Renee,

My parellel was about firing incompetent people. USe of the word

lay-off was a mistake on my part.

 

[me]

Glad you clarified it then.

 

[you]

 

Talking of ethics,

The main issue here is Dinanatha hi-jacking SJVC-usa which belong to

Sanjay.

 

[me]

Read the post on non profit organizations and legalities. Sounds logical to me.

 

[you]

 

Whatever good karma Mr. Dinanatha has done so far, he erased all that

with his acts on sjvc-usa. I have nothing against him.

 

[me]

But you are making judgement calls on him. This should be discussed elsewhere.

No man should be crucified publically.

 

[you]

I dont even

know him. I am saying this because what he did/doing is obviously

unethical and immoral and it hurts students of sjvc like myself.

 

[me]

In my long life and in the gov't work in which I live and breathe....there is

that saying where there's smoke there's fire OR "methinks thou doth protest too

much" meaning that I reserve judgement until the fat lady sings. I trust very

few and those who pat themselves on the back as having the best interests of

everyone concerned (like politicians do) really don't impress me. It gets OLD.

That's why we American's sometimes go for the underdog because the overlords can

seem very pompous at times.

 

We've heard it all before. Same crap...different lifetime:o)

 

[you]

Reg Pt. Sanjay discussing Dinanatha's chart, it is not uncommon in

India where jyotish is taught in a traditional guru-shishya manner.

 

{me]

Glad I don't live in India...LOL

 

[you]

My friend who learned that way in person from a guru told me his guru

will take one of the students chart and discuss - both good and bad

aspects of it will all the students. It is an accepted practise and

Sanjay is running sjvc in that traditional indian culture.

 

[me]

But still......then let it be done in the privacy of what...group study amongst

peers and not out in front of strangers. It's akin to what we call 'airing your

dirty laundry' which is not kosher amongst some of us.

 

[you]

It may be

unethical here. However I dont understand why Sanjay did that on this

list. If he wanted to do that, he should have done it on a

restricted, members only sjvc list like varahamihira.

 

[me]

BINGO! Hence you need to ask more questions, dig a little deeper, be the

detective until you get answers.

 

Not answers everyone else wants you to believe.

 

[you]

 

But as I said, that is not the issue at hand. Let us not deviate from

the main issue which is Dinanatha hi-jacking sjvcusa.org using his

legal status given to him by the SJVC founder - Sanjay.

 

[me]

That may be your main issue but it's not THE only issue as it is ALL under the

same hat so I disagree...sowwy.

 

Renee from Riverside County, CA

 

Peace,

-Siva.

 

gjlist, "Renee Serrano" <RSERRANO@R...> wrote:

> It is unethical to use another person's chart against them

publically. A person's chart is confidential and on a personal level

it is not information that is for the public.

>

> Anyone with any class would keep private matters in a 'corporation'

or organization private rather then have a feeding fest amongst both

strangers and members. It is unnecessary pain and agony for both

sides whoever they are.

>

> And I live not too far from you in Riverside County, raised in

Orange County where you are at and it is not always (less likely) the

situation that when a company lays off people.....that it is because

somehow those workers are not good enough or what have you. Most of

the time it is due to budget cutbacks in the U.S. I am a native born

in California. This is normal and now with the huge downturn in

business, this is happening more and more unfortunately.

>

> Can we stop brown nosing please? It's nauseating.

>

> Renee

>

> >>> schinnas 10/03/02 03:49PM >>>

> hi MD!

> I dont find any fault with Robert cautioning members of SJVC that

> Dinanatha was expelled and no sjvc member should regard him as

> his/her guru. I give you a parallel.

>

> I am in US and software industry for just few years. But I have

seen

> 3 companies (2 startups and one Fortune 10, where I am currently

at).

> Whenever there is a layoff, it means the management loses trust in

a

> person's ability and lets him go. Then they send a mail to all that

> so and so person doesnt work with the company any more. In case if

it

> is a small company the fired employee hijacks the control of the

> website/etc, then the management will call it as what it is -

> HI-JACKING. Robert was very correct in doing what he did. It was

his

> duty as newly appointed president of SJVC-USA to let everyone knwo

> that Mr. Dinanatha had been expelled and has hijacked sjvcusa.org

> against the wishes of the founder (Sanjay) using some legalities.

>

> That employee fired may have been very capable and it is very

> possible that the whole thing is a misjudgement of the management,

> but the fact remains that the founder of the company has every

right

> to appoint men/women that he has confidence in. I dont see two ways

> here. It is very clear cut and simple. In fact, I am very surprised

> as to why there is so much heated mails on both sides when the

issue

> is so clear.

>

> I dont understand what skeletons in Pt. Sanjay's closet you are

> talking here. Dinantha's accusations are nothing sort of slander.

The

> only error on Pt. Sanjay was he shouldnt have discussed Dinanatha's

> chart without his permission on a open forum. But he is wedded to

the

> Guru-shishya concept and still considered Dinanatha as his student

> who had gone astry and took some liberty with his status as guru.

>

> I must say one thing here. Confusions like these can be avoided

only

> if SJVC is a corporation as Sri. Das Goravani advised. Pt Sanjay

can

> donate the profits to poor if he doesnt want to us jyotish teaching

> for material gains. But lots of confusion will be avoided by having

> sjvc as a for-profit organization and running it in a professional

> manner. Anyways, it is for guru Sanjay to decide. I shouldnt be

> talking ahead of myself!

>

> regards,

> -Siva.

>

> gjlist, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> > Hi Siva, nice to see you here.

> >

> > This board has been more interesting lately. Siva, you got to be

> > objective--you may be learning from Sanjay's book and so am I.

> You're

> > are a member of SJVC-USA, so am I.

> >

> > So why can't you acknowledge the fact that Robert was the first

to

> > post on PVR's board that Dina hijacked SJVC's website along with

> > other accusations. -- These were public allegation and Dina made

a

> > public rebuttal.

> >

> > As to Sanjay, he was a man enough to acknowledge that Dina was

the

> > original incorporator of SJVC-USA, but he also tried to discredit

> > Dina with some flimsy and obviously malicious statements about

> Dina's

> > chart.

> >

> > Well, now Dina is speaking his mind and while doing so we get to

> know

> > that Sanjay has some skeletons in his closets as well.

> >

> > Why are you automatically assuming that Dina is the bad guy here.

> > Reading the pleadings back and forth it appears that Dina is

> > righteous.

> >

> > Hey, at least Dina had sense of humor to repond to Robert's "son

of

> > bitch" allegation.

> >

> > Siva, I'm hoping you re-think your position in this debate.

> >

> > MD

> >

> > gjlist, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote:

> > > Hello all,

> > > I am Siva Chinnasamy, a new member of this forum. heres the

> > > mandatory introduction exercise - I am from India, a software

> > > professional working in USA (east coast), interested (to some

> > extent)

> > > in spirituality and astrology.

> > >

> > > I am trying to learn astrology for the past few weeks and Pr.

> > Sanjay

> > > recently accepted me as his student. I am a member of vedic

> > astrology

> > > and (fmly sjvc) mailing lists for about past 1

> month.

> > >

> > > I have been observing these unfortunate mails about sjvc. I

didnt

> > > want to post, but today I felt a compulsion to do it. This is

my

> > take

> > > on the situation. SJVC was started by Sanjay Rath. PERIOD. He

had

> > > asked Mr. Dinanatha to head it in USA. For whatever reasons, he

> has

> > > found Mr. Dinanatha to be incompetent for that post, and he

finds

> > in

> > > Robert Koch an able person to lead the sjvc organization in USA.

> > >

> > > How SJVC should be run - as a profitable organization or as a

non

> > > profit is upto Sanjay to decide. Wellwishers like Sri. Goravani

> > can

> > > offer their advice/suggestions reg it, but it is Sunjay who can

> > > decide on these things.

> > >

> > > If Sanjay decided to expel someone from his organization/guru-

> > sishya

> > > parambara, that concerned person (here Dinanatha) should know

> that

> > he

> > > has to pack his/her bags and leave. PERIOD. Any other behavior

> > > defying this common sense is plain stupidity and childish.

Shame

> on

> > > Dinanatha or whoever that tries to do it. Sanjay put his faith

on

> > > someone and appoints that person as legal head of his

> organization

> > in

> > > USA. If that person defies Sanjay and claims legal rights to

the

> > > organization, it amounts to hijacking an organization from its

> > > founder.

> > >

> > > To Mr. Dinanatha:

> > > I dont understand what case you are trying to justify here.

In

> > > fact, you dont have a case. The more you say, the more you are

> > making

> > > a mokery of yourself. Be a gentleman and give up what doesnt

> belong

> > > to you. Or is it too much to ask for? You may feel wronged. You

> may

> > > feel that you doesnt deserve this or you are "better" than

other

> > > choices chosen in your place. But the fact remains that SJVC is

> > > Sanjay's organization started with a service motive. He has the

> > right

> > > to choose anyone to guide it. If you dont get along, fine, call

> it

> > > quits and go about with other tasks in life!

> > >

> > > To my guru Sanjay:

> > > While I have highest respect for your knowledge and sincerity

for

> > > spreading jyotish, I didnt find Mr. Dina's chart and curse

being

> > > discussed on a public forum as something in the right dharma of

> > > Jyotishi. However, I understand that in your passion/enthusiasm

> as

> > a

> > > jyotish guru, you probably wanted to explain these things to

> > students

> > > using Dinanatha's chart as case study.

> > >

> > > Btw, dont bother about Dinanatha's wild accusations on you.

Just

> > > observing your posts and reading your books, is proof enough of

> > your

> > > dedication, sincerity and passion towards astrology. Wild

> > slanderous

> > > accusations wont confuse people that know you. Dont worry about

> > that.

> > >

> > > To Sri. Das Goravani:

> > > I find your posts hilarious and many times thought provoking.

> > > However, i couldnt understand why every issue has to seen

though

> > the

> > > prism of cultural/ethnic origin of the person concerned. Can

> people

> > > NOT be independent in their opinion and behavior?

> > >

> > > Peace,

> > > -Siva.

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-@e...

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

 

 

 

 

 

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