Ancestry, Why I left the conference, and Jyotish Community

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There are three sections. They have titles. Ancestry, why i left the conf.,

and jyotish community.

 

 

 

 

Ancestry

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Yes, we are the evolution of our ancestries.

 

Someone asked me why I think about ethnicities. This is why.

 

I have come to learn many things in order to heal myself. I have read

classics we usually don't read anymore. I have bought and have been reading

many books on world and mainly European ancient history. Mainly focused on

Ireland/Celt, but this brings in Roman and German history big time.

 

These days, the Irish dilemna brings in American and India, and Egypt,

Africa, and more, it does, really. You have to understand many things to

understand the modern Celtic situation.

 

Why was I told NOTHING of my ancestry as a child? It's oppression. That's

why. In the classic book "The History of the Irish Race", the author

expresses that it is due to the ignorance of their own ancestry by the Irish

who have left Ireland that the world knows nothing of Ireland. He says, if

it were reversed, then the world would have an immense reverence for the

island, and a great loving appreciation of it's peoples. I agree, now that I

understand that history.

 

You see, we live in a Germanic society. Immediately know, that I do NOT

dislike Germans. Period. However, it is important to know things, if you

want to heal. Once everyone is healed, the Germans will know who they are,

and everyone will, and then they can offer their offering in a proper way,

and others will know where it stops for them, and where there ways begin for

them. Those who study more, and run things more, and are into material

efficiencty, all Germanic traits, will do there thing, but others will know

what their own ways are, and can choose. Not knowing means living in denial,

and the result is the problems INDIVIDUALS of many races have today.

 

Irish people need the magic of Irish ancient thought. We flourish when we

understand this and allow it for ourselves. Indians have things, which are

theirs alone, and they live that better than anyone, and for them it's

necessary. I am much healthier and happier now that I allow myself to be me.

Really. If you saw me years ago, verse now, you'd be AMAZED. The people who

know me, ALL SAY, "wow, you look SO much better these days". You see, it

is obvious. What works is OBVIOUS. You need not explain it. I have found

myself.

 

I have come to realize the sources of many things we consider normal today,

and I realize clearly that these things came from certain peoples, certain

times and situations. For example, many of the negative slanderous sayings

we use, come from an anti-Irish or anti-Celt bias of the Anglo Saxxon

(Germanic source) early rulers of modern Britain. Much of what was our

culture, the Celtic or Irish culture, have over time become accepted as

either really dumb, or flat out evil. We are bad, dumb and evil, according

to modern English. It's not OK. It's especially not OK for us to agree with.

We have to take back our own power. This harms nobody. It empowers us to

give more, to be healthier and happier. This is not a nationalistic thing.

It's about a culture reclaiming it's right to love itself. That's all.

 

This now drives me a bit. I now am into recognizing people's plights as the

modern evolutions of their past, their ancestors, their races. It's

important to me, to "remember". Oral societies are into remembering the

truth, and keeping it alive. Ours was one of them. The need for this

continues.

 

There are reasons, I now realize, why I am here, why I look the way I do,

why I feel the feelings I feel. I am related to a culture that is very

intuitive. Irish culture was all about reading nature, and being intuitive,

and humble to nature, humble to divine forces which were seen as totally,

absolutely, omnipresent. I am from a line of Druids you could say. It is

natural for us to seek harmony and peace with nature, and each other. We

believe utterly in divine law. Our ways, however, did not match the Germans,

at all, nor the Romans, and these cultures invaded, took over, took away our

lands, pushed us onto the Rocks in Donegal, and then when things went bad

there with the potatoes by 1840, we moved to America, mainly Chicago, but my

ancestors went all the way to California.

 

The Irish way came down to me. It was all around me. I realize this now. I

was raised in Ireland, in California. This is true. The pains and nature of

my oppressed and fleeing ancestors is in my blood. It helps me greatly to

get in touch with this.

 

I could explain this in utter detail, using the documented ancient history

of Europe and Britain and Ireland. I know enough to do that. I have about

100 books on the matter now, and am reading them all. But the themes are

repeating in all of them. I now know the main stuff well.

 

The Germanic approach is fine, but it isn't for everyone, and not everyone

agrees with it. What we have today in the world is largely due to the

Roman/German way of thinking. What is going on with Arabs and the US is

along those lines. Myself, I have immense respect for Arabs. I don't see

this echoed around me at all. I do not see the point in American

Nationalism, but I do see that all around me. I see a different way to go,

and the way that it is going, seems to me, to be leading to disaster (bad

stars).

 

I now know why the Hare Krishna fundamentalism doesn't ultimately suit me.

It's because it's so rigid. True, if everyone could follow it, there would

be peace. It is a good thing. It's a great thing. It's devotion to God. I

love it. But it's unrealistic in many instances, and to do what it does, it

requires all members to utterly drop all other culture, and simply be

Gaudiya Vaisnavas. In that sense, any such thing would work the same way. If

we all became perfect Shiites or Sufis, Budhists or Christians of exactly

and only one veign alone, there would be world peace. This is unrealistic.

 

The real peace can be achieved by mutual respect, but to do that, you first

have to know and respect yourself. It is in this way, that I currently

think.

 

My ethnic recognitions do not have an agenda. Nobody is excluded from my

view. I recognize as valid all the races and cultures now. I am no longer a

hater, not judgemental.

 

I have been healing mainly over the last two months, so it's a daily

evolution. Certain people and events have helped me alot.

 

 

Why I left the conference

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A few have asked me why I left Sanjays conference early and without notice.

 

It is because I was starting to have another panic attack set. It was

hitting me. Some of you there saw it. I didn't want that to continue upon

me, I wanted it to stop. I knew I had to withdraw and be alone. I was

falling apart suddenly, in a period when I thought I had it licked. So I

left to recuperate. This is the only reason. By the time I left, I was

extremely bad already. I was shaking and crying. So, I just left. It was too

early for me to go out actually. I shouldn't have gone. Now I am stronger

moreso. I could handle it better now.

 

Why do I get that way? Well, many people will give you different answers,

but I am best suited to answer it.

 

I realize now, that this is the truth: I am, to be sure, very sensitive. I

am sensitive in many ways. I am sensitive about being liked, and I am

sensitive to what othes are going through. When I am around a group of

people, in this sensitive space, I get very much aware of all our pains and

woes. It is hard for me to bear. I so much want peace for all of us, and

happiness. I feel too much. As I get stronger, this gets less, thank God. It

was TOO MUCH sensitivity. It maks me fall apart. I cannot bear the awareness

of that side of life alone. But that's how I've been. Focused only on pain.

 

That's why I let this discussion go on here. I could have cut people off the

list, but I didn't. I want things to come out, and mature. I believe in the

process of facing what ails us, now. For me, this is necessary. I want those

who believe a certain way, say the Hare Krishna way, to come out and speak

their minds, and I want others to see it clearly, and I want them to hear

the others back at them. I think it's necessary to heal the differences, in

our Jyotish community, so that it might proceed better.

 

 

Jyotish Community

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My life is simple: I work alot, I take care of my two kids who just moved

out, and I watch my email. That's about it. I also read and talk to people

who call, but only about these things, the software, the development of my

understanding of life which enhances daily, like that. It's a clear line of

activities. I don't have cable, don't watch tv or go to movies, don't do

much. I only do these things. I'm focused.

 

GJLIST is my family. This is true. It's been my steady and main social life

and outlet for the last 6 years that it's been alive. I have HARDLY AT ALL

talked to my siblings, nor my parents while they lived. I have always talked

to this list. It's my family. This is true.

 

So I believe in it. Watching people learn and grow on it has been amazing,

and wonderful. That many of you have tolerated my pain and growth, has been

commendable. I was an ass. I've been through tons of changes, and was always

vocal. I respect you for your tolerance, thank you for your love.

 

I believe in Jyotish. I fully know it works. I have great gifts of

perception and understanding. I have firm faith in it. This is not at all a

question for me. Jyotish works.

 

Knowing that astrology is real and works, is to me, a fundamental cause for

paradigm shift. If everything is working together, then, that means alot.

That proves alot. Don't you think?

 

I have thought this through, I'm not asking a question here. I'm only asking

questions to show my points. It's not a question, I KNOW it matters alot. I

know it can change things on earth. It shows something, like nothing else

can, and that thing is TRUE, and TRUTH is needed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Das Goravani, President

 

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