Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Dear Cynthia Excellent points .I think Ketu represents explosions in Vedic astrology. I have also been doing quite a bit of gardening this week. So the KSY brings an increase in illusion or misleading information and overall uncertainty which we can see with respect to the stovck market . I wonder if the war on terrorism is another illusion in the sense that it has repeatedly been shown in Sri Lanka ,Palestine ,Northern Ireland etc. that it is near impossible to win a war on terrorism you have to reach out to the hearts of those who are embittered . 400 billion for the military and 10 Billion for aid may make one question whther resources are being badly misdirected . Cheers Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Saturday, October 19, 2002 2:56 AM Re: [GJ] Censored posts : Swings of fortune Dear Nicholas It seems as if the planets are pulling against each other. THe last KSY was in early 2001. It did not last this long. Since I have been following Jyotish in mundane events there has not been one like this. It seems that we get caught up like a rock in a slingshot and flung in different directions. Notice Neptune is opposite Guru. That is scandal and misinformation. If Guru is the great teacher, Neptune is the great trickster. At its best Neptune is meditation and mystical experience. On the world stage it is usually illusion. The market may be artificially propped up or somehow manipulated. There is miss leading information about the sniper who himself is mistaken and seems to be hidden in a veil of mystery. My hunch is that there is more than one and that it is a terrorist organization. This may be miss information from me, but he or they seem to be shooting trophies one of each sex and age. Is it an accident that an Indian (Hindu?) man was among the trophies? Anyway, the KSY makes it hard to see things. There are no visible planets opposing each other. I have not yet really looked at next year. Having trouble with migraines and I would rather be gardening than doing astrology. I have looked ahead to Jan and Feb. THese look very volatile for the world. The military is preparing to invade Iraq, I just hope that one of the twists of fate will be a coupe. Bush has the protection of Jupiter until next August. Uranus is explosions in western astrology....what is explosions in Vedic? c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Dear Nicholas It has been raining here in Texas...that is a good thing. I bought a dibble tool and I am heading out to plant 150 crocus bulbs on the edge of the lawn. Spring will be ablaze with color. I've been a bit compulsive and buying cheap bulbs almost every week, as well as by mail-order. I believe I have 1000 total. Enough of that, now to the world. This war on terrorism is an interesting bug metaphysically. We have never had such a thing. At least to my knowledge, we have had wars for property, wars for power....lots of wars about religion which essentially were the same as the other two. WWII was a war where we reluctantly had to acknowledge that Hitler, and his allies started as a fringe despot then grew to an alliance to take over the world. Who would have ever thought that one crazy man with that ridiculous mustache would gain such a following for his cruelty. But he did and humans have a high tolerance for brutality of others until we swing into gear and take action. I'm rambling. I am still not sure what Viet Nam was about. Marti could you explain it? This thing, this war on terrorism is different because it was launched by world wide response to a terrorist act. Thanks to TV and radio, many listened to that speech and energetically fueled it. I don't know where it will stop, but that speech put into motion a global movement against terrorism before anyone really thought what that might mean and for whom. Hussein seems a likely target for his history. Perhaps it will be a message to the world that terrorism will no longer be tolerated. Ignoring it has not helped. I do not know that reaching out to the heart of someone who hates you is effective unless that persons heart is open to receive that reach. If you have ever had someone hate you who does not know you you know what I mean. It is crazy. Anyway, I rambling, it just seems to me that if the world really is ready to stand against terrorism it needs to stand behind it. As I say that I shudder. I know a man in the National guard. He is away learning to put together temporary buildings. The kind used for an invasion. I hope there is another answer, but it no one comes up with another solution this ball seems set to roll. Any suggestions on how to reachout to a heart that is filled with hatred? I know that I am limited. Simply the way women are treated is enough for my heart to chill. Any insight or assistance is helpful. The illusions could be used as a world wide spell that could throw all into a state of peace. Perhaps miracles are possible. Did you hear about the use of imagery in WWII in London. At 9pm (I believe this is right) the people would pray that the city be protected from the bombers. Later it was learned that the Germans did not bomb the city because they thought that they had a secret weapon hidden in Big Ben. Perhaps we could create a secret weapon. c - Nicholas gjlist Friday, October 18, 2002 2:56 PM [GJ] World Outlook From Cynthia Dear Cynthia Excellent points .I think Ketu represents explosions in Vedic astrology. I have also been doing quite a bit of gardening this week. So the KSY brings an increase in illusion or misleading information and overall uncertainty which we can see with respect to the stovck market . I wonder if the war on terrorism is another illusion in the sense that it has repeatedly been shown in Sri Lanka ,Palestine ,Northern Ireland etc. that it is near impossible to win a war on terrorism you have to reach out to the hearts of those who are embittered . 400 billion for the military and 10 Billion for aid may make one question whther resources are being badly misdirected . Cheers Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Saturday, October 19, 2002 2:56 AM Re: [GJ] Censored posts : Swings of fortune Dear Nicholas It seems as if the planets are pulling against each other. THe last KSY was in early 2001. It did not last this long. Since I have been following Jyotish in mundane events there has not been one like this. It seems that we get caught up like a rock in a slingshot and flung in different directions. Notice Neptune is opposite Guru. That is scandal and misinformation. If Guru is the great teacher, Neptune is the great trickster. At its best Neptune is meditation and mystical experience. On the world stage it is usually illusion. The market may be artificially propped up or somehow manipulated. There is miss leading information about the sniper who himself is mistaken and seems to be hidden in a veil of mystery. My hunch is that there is more than one and that it is a terrorist organization. This may be miss information from me, but he or they seem to be shooting trophies one of each sex and age. Is it an accident that an Indian (Hindu?) man was among the trophies? Anyway, the KSY makes it hard to see things. There are no visible planets opposing each other. I have not yet really looked at next year. Having trouble with migraines and I would rather be gardening than doing astrology. I have looked ahead to Jan and Feb. THese look very volatile for the world. The military is preparing to invade Iraq, I just hope that one of the twists of fate will be a coupe. Bush has the protection of Jupiter until next August. Uranus is explosions in western astrology....what is explosions in Vedic? c Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Dear List, Cynthia's statement, "I am still not sure what Viet Nam was about. Marti could you explain it?" got me thinking. Sorry, I'm not Marti, but here's what came up when I reflected on Vietnam, which began when Ho Chi Minh returned to Vietnam in 1941, the year I was born. The "ism" that the world feared then was Communism. The word terrorism was used then to describe Communism. Fidel Castro and many others were described as terrorists. And only last week Castro, Russians and people from Kennedy's administration met to discuss the Cuban Missile Crisis. Some there apologized to each other. I don't know what else to write, but thank you for reading. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Dear Jane Nice point . Yes war is hell and yesterday's enemies are todays friends . The resources of the world should be directed at poverty and environmental problems not war and national aggrandisement . having seen all the verbage about the Australian deaths and the 9/11 deaths we must remember this is how Arabs feel when the Palestinians are killed . Nicholas - "willowshores" <willowshores <gjlist> Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:28 AM Re: [GJ] World Outlook From Cynthia > > > Dear List, > > > Cynthia's statement, "I am still not sure what Viet Nam was about. > Marti could you explain it?" got me thinking. > > Sorry, I'm not Marti, but here's what came up when I reflected on > Vietnam, which began when Ho Chi Minh returned to Vietnam in 1941, > the year I was born. > > The "ism" that the world feared then was Communism. The word > terrorism was used then to describe Communism. Fidel Castro and many > others were described as terrorists. And only last week Castro, > Russians and people from Kennedy's administration met to discuss the > Cuban Missile Crisis. Some there apologized to each other. > > I don't know what else to write, but thank you for reading. > > > Jane > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Dear Nicholas Why do you suppose that we do NOT direct resources in those directions as much as we do to others? This has puzzled me for as long as I have been able to think. Whenever I have seen great poverty and great wealth juxtaposed it comes up again and again. I see it in the Dallas TX area but no where was it as great as when traveling in India. Is there any place on Earth where resources are directed compassionately? I know that there are a few small socialist countries, but they still have this problem according to people I have talk to. Do you think it is somehow natural for humans to be both humane and inhumane? I will never forget being told NOT to look at the poor children on the streets in India and Nepal... how can you not? Yet when you do look, you must be prepared to be inundated. When the world is aware of how women are treated, beaten even burned and stoned to death, can others simply accept this as religion? Is that cruelty any less than other cruelties because it is sanctioned? I wonder where does it start and where does it stop? The only thing I can seem to do is to try to direct my mind to the present and turn it over to god (s) musing in Dallas BTW have you looked at the planets in January and February? January 28th is a very volatile day. - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Saturday, October 19, 2002 7:54 PM Re: [GJ] World Outlook From Cynthia > Dear Jane > Nice point . > Yes war is hell and yesterday's enemies are todays friends . > The resources of the world should be directed at poverty and environmental > problems not war and national aggrandisement . > having seen all the verbage about the Australian deaths and the 9/11 deaths > we must remember this is how Arabs feel when the Palestinians are killed . > Nicholas > - > "willowshores" <willowshores > <gjlist> > Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:28 AM > Re: [GJ] World Outlook From Cynthia > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > Cynthia's statement, "I am still not sure what Viet Nam was about. > > Marti could you explain it?" got me thinking. > > > > Sorry, I'm not Marti, but here's what came up when I reflected on > > Vietnam, which began when Ho Chi Minh returned to Vietnam in 1941, > > the year I was born. > > > > The "ism" that the world feared then was Communism. The word > > terrorism was used then to describe Communism. Fidel Castro and many > > others were described as terrorists. And only last week Castro, > > Russians and people from Kennedy's administration met to discuss the > > Cuban Missile Crisis. Some there apologized to each other. > > > > I don't know what else to write, but thank you for reading. > > > > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Dear Cynthia I'll be brief since I fear getting off track . > > Why do you suppose that we do NOT direct resources in those directions as > much as we do to others? This has puzzled me for as long as I have been > able to think. I think if you study the figures for most countries the amount spent on arms is far in excess of international aid Whenever I have seen great poverty and great wealth > juxtaposed it comes up again and again. I see it in the Dallas TX area but > no where was it as great as when traveling in India. Is there any place on > Earth where resources are directed compassionately? I know that there are a > few small socialist countries, but they still have this problem according to > people I have talk to. Some of the socialist countries did achieve a kind of equality but it meant equally poor . Do you think it is somehow natural for humans to be both humane and > inhumane? I will never forget being told NOT to look at the poor children > on the streets in India and Nepal... how can you not? Yet when you do look, > you must be prepared to be inundated. True the human mind can only cope with so much suffering of others .A wide aquaintance who used to read the papers and identify with all the suffering he saw each day eventually went nuts .Karma can be used as an excuse for callousness . > > When the world is aware of how women are treated, beaten even burned and > stoned to death, can others simply accept this as religion? Is that cruelty > any less than other cruelties because it is sanctioned? I wonder where does > it start and where does it stop? Yes karmic retribution goes on eternally until one achieves moksha . According to Bhagavatam it starts when the soul turns away from Krishna and ends when the soul turns towards Krishna .It is certainly not religion to mistreat women . People hijack the good reputation of religion to justify cruel acts . Their bluff should be exposed . The only thing I can seem to do is to try > to direct my mind to the present and turn it over to god (s) Yes there are always problems and one has to work on their own dharma and help others . > > musing in Dallas > > BTW have you looked at the planets in January and February? January 28th is > very volatile day . I hadn't till now .Moon Mars Ketu in Scorpio with Rahu Saturn opposite in Taurus .Hope the alignment doesn't fall on any of the list rs sensitive points :-) Thanks Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Dear Nicholas Thank you for indulging my musings. I happened onto the chart for the time that Bush signed in the congressional agreement for "use of force" October 16, 2002 11:29am Washington DC. Notice the birth in Rahu MD and on Feb. 10, 2003 it enters the Rahu Rahu Mars period. Should be pretty volatile with Rahu natally aspecting Mars Mercury. NOtice the Lunar eclipse onf Nov. 20th corresponds with entry into Rahu Rahu Moon. The Moon stands alone with Uranus. This looks pretty bad. A kemaa druma Moon with the Moon next to Uranus the planet of revolution. Does it cancel Kema druma if the nodes are 4 / 10 from the Moon? Am I reaching for straws? Getting ready to do a 30 minute talk tomorrow so I have to look where I would rather not. Much appreciation for your patience and indulgence. c - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Saturday, October 19, 2002 9:27 PM Re: [GJ] World Outlook From Cynthia > Dear Cynthia > I'll be brief since I fear getting off track . > > > > Why do you suppose that we do NOT direct resources in those directions as > > much as we do to others? This has puzzled me for as long as I have been > > able to think. > > I think if you study the figures for most countries the amount spent on arms > is far in excess of international aid > > > > Whenever I have seen great poverty and great wealth > > juxtaposed it comes up again and again. I see it in the Dallas TX area > but > > no where was it as great as when traveling in India. Is there any place > on > > Earth where resources are directed compassionately? I know that there are > a > > few small socialist countries, but they still have this problem according > to > > people I have talk to. > > Some of the socialist countries did achieve a kind of equality but it meant > equally poor . > > Do you think it is somehow natural for humans to be both humane and > > inhumane? I will never forget being told NOT to look at the poor children > > on the streets in India and Nepal... how can you not? Yet when you do > look, > > you must be prepared to be inundated. > > True the human mind can only cope with so much suffering of others .A wide > aquaintance who used to read the papers and identify with all the suffering > he saw each day eventually went nuts .Karma can be used as an excuse for > callousness . > > > > When the world is aware of how women are treated, beaten even burned and > > stoned to death, can others simply accept this as religion? Is that > cruelty > > any less than other cruelties because it is sanctioned? I wonder where > does > > it start and where does it stop? > > Yes karmic retribution goes on eternally until one achieves moksha . > According to Bhagavatam it starts when the soul turns away from Krishna and > ends when the soul turns towards Krishna .It is certainly not religion to > mistreat women . People hijack the good reputation of religion to justify > cruel acts . Their bluff should be exposed . > > > > The only thing I can seem to do is to try > > to direct my mind to the present and turn it over to god (s) > > Yes there are always problems and one has to work on their own dharma and > help others . > > > > musing in Dallas > > > > BTW have you looked at the planets in January and February? January 28th > is > > very volatile day . > > I hadn't till now .Moon Mars Ketu in Scorpio with Rahu Saturn opposite in > Taurus .Hope the alignment doesn't fall on any of the list rs > sensitive points :-) > > Thanks > Nicholas > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Dear Cynthia > Dear Nicholas > > Thank you for indulging my musings. No problems > > I happened onto the chart for the time that Bush signed in the congressional > agreement for "use of force" October 16, 2002 11:29am Washington DC. Thanks for this chart which I have added to my collection.The Rahu Ketu axix is very close to the Lagna which is not good .Further Rahu is placed in a maraka house .At least the nodal axis is separating . > > Notice the birth in Rahu MD and on Feb. 10, 2003 it enters the Rahu Rahu > Mars period. Should be pretty volatile with Rahu natally aspecting Mars > Mercury. Yes Mars rules the 6th for Scorpios so there is danger , Jupiter is 2nd and 5th lord exalted in the 9th near the rising degree . This at least suggests that the US will try to keep the high moral ground . An attack on Iraq has the danger of alienating moderate Muslims . > > NOtice the Lunar eclipse onf Nov. 20th corresponds with entry into Rahu Rahu > Moon. The Moon stands alone with Uranus. This looks pretty bad. A kemaa > druma Moon with the Moon next to Uranus the planet of revolution. Yes it is a clean kemadrum yoga .This suggest that the US might find itself isolated or nearly isolated in this action .Interesting . > > Does it cancel Kema druma if the nodes are 4 / 10 from the Moon? Am I > reaching for straws? I don't think this inproves things but rather makes it worse .Moon is in Satabhisa the illnesses that take a thousand physicians to heal or in this case Iraq is the problem that takes a thousand diplomats to solve :-) > > Getting ready to do a 30 minute talk tomorrow so I have to look where I > would rather not. Much appreciation for your patience and indulgence. Best of luck with your talk Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Dear Cynthia It is spring time here and my roses are flowering my gardenias budding and leaves are reappearing on my frangipanes . You could send some of that rain in Texas over here if you have got some to spare . Perhaps it will be a message to the world that terrorism will no longer be tolerated. Ignoring it has not helped. I do not know that reaching out to the heart of someone who hates you is effective unless that persons heart is open to receive that reach. If you have ever had someone hate you who does not know you you know what I mean. It is crazy. In Bhagavatam it is mentioned that some persons are like serpents inherently and unnecessarily envious .You are right there is not much that can be done with these persons . It is good to no longer tolerate or sureptitiously support terrorism . I guess my main concern is that moderate Muslims do not become alienated and start to sympathise or identify with terrorists . There is some evidence that Osama has good approval ratings in Islamic countries and that is a concern . The illusions could be used as a world wide spell that could throw all into a state of peace. Perhaps miracles are possible. Did you hear about the use of imagery in WWII in London. At 9pm (I believe this is right) the people would pray that the city be protected from the bombers. Later it was learned that the Germans did not bomb the city because they thought that they had a secret weapon hidden in Big Ben. Perhaps we could create a secret weapon. The churches in Australia experienced increased attendances last week . Ultimately in this world there is danger at every step and who knows what horrible acts one may have performed deliberately or accidentally in previous lives for which karmic account is being settled in this one . So God's shelter is an intelligent choice . Kind regards Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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