Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Dear Nicholas Why not use the December date as this is when the USSR was officially dissolved? Main Story Slavic Republics Declare Soviet Union Liquidated By Michael Dobbs Washington Post Foreign Service Monday, December 9, 1991; Page A01 MOSCOW, DEC. 8 -- The leaders of Russia, the Ukraine and Byelorussia formally announced the dissolution of the Soviet Union today and said they had agreed to establish a "Commonwealth of Independent States" in its place. The decision to liquidate the 69-year-old Communist-forged union and halt activity of all Soviet government organs came during a closed-door meeting at a Byelorussian hunting lodge near the Polish border in the absence of Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev. There was no immediate comment from Gorbachev, whose constitutional position as president and commander in chief of the 4-million-member Soviet armed forces has now been challenged throughout the Slavic heartland of the former Soviet superpower. In Washington, Secretary of State James A. Baker III said in a television interview that "the Soviet Union as we've known it no longer exists," but he warned that there is still a risk of civil war amid the ruins of the Soviet empire. {Details on Page A16.} In a joint communique at the end of a two-day Slavic summit, the three leaders declared: "As founding states of the U.S.S.R. . . . we declare that the U.S.S.R. is ceasing its existence as a subject of international law and a geopolitical reality." The three also agreed to establish unified control over the Soviet Union's 27,000 nuclear warheads and coordinate foreign relations and economic activity, but they offered no details about how this was to be accomplished. The dramatic move by the three republics, which account for 70 percent of the Soviet Union's 290 million population and 80 percent of its industrial output, has far-reaching constitutional implications that are likely to take some time to unfold. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/russiagov/stories/dissol ve120991.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Dear Sateesh I remember Raman saying that Russia was governed by Aquarius .I don't know about Chechyna maybe Visti knows or his little bird could help him . N > > Dear Nicholas, > > > > Thanks for this. > > > > Which signs represent Russia and Chechenya? I am not talking of Mundane > > charts here. > > > > Sateesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Dear Cynthia Here is the article by K N Rao .Since he is a vastly experienced and acclaimed jyotish I accepted his authority on the Russian chart . There seem to be arguments for every nation as to what constitutes the right chart . I thought this fitted with the current event so I thought I'd post it . hope this helps Nicholas K.N. Rao The aspect of the 8th lord Mars on Jupiter (occupying the 10th house) has some negative meanings and a mysterious esoteric meaning as well. It also suggests the survival of some of the dictatorial tendencies of the communist era. The former mighty USSR, is Russia now, a fragmented nation. It is a super power still. It is even now a match militarily for the USA. We, in post cold wars era, do not want to remember that militarily strong Russia. We wanted to know that real Russia which has a long history of culture, tradition and spirituality much superior to the USA. This wish would have remained a mere wish if I had not visited Russia four times between 1998 and 2001 to teach Vedic astrology, through Russian translators. There was warm interaction, collection of rich material for astrological research and of course, we got the horoscope of New Russia which is used by astrologers in Russia. The New Russia was born at 13:45 hrs in Moscow on 12 June 1990. Sunrise of the day was at 04:53:58, Sunset was at 22:43:38. *) The New Russia was born during Abhijita Muhurta Was it a coincidence, an accident of history or a deliberately chosen pre ordained moment? I feel that it was a divine coincidence. *) Vargottama 5th lord, in this own house with Moon and Rahu strikes the eye. *) Jupiter in the 10th house from the lagna, aspects the 10th house from the Moon also, together with Venus. *) in the navamsha, the Karma lord (10th lord) and the Karmasthana (10th house of profession) are again receiving benefic influence. The aspect of the 8th lord Mars on Jupiter (occupying the 10th house) has some negative meanings and a mysterious esoteric meaning as well. It can show the survival of the communist era as well. Dasha Sequence in Vimshottari: Moon dasha ended on 13th February 2006. Two Jaimini dasha, not being given here, also have been taken into account in the analysis that follows here. In 1960, when Saturn and Jupiter conjoined in Dhanur rashi, the British and French imperialisms realised finally that if the process of decolonisation started once, it rolled on with unparalleled ferocity. 1) It is necessary to remember that dramatic changes do not happen immediately after the conjunction or opposition of Saturn and Jupiter. 2) In this conjunction when Mars conjoins or aspects it, the process appears very dramatic, violent and is remembered as a historical landmark. 3) Benefic in a similar situation produce favourable results. Dramatic changes do not happen immediately after the conjunction or opposition of Saturn and Jupiter. If Mars conjoins or aspects the conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter, then events shape into a historical landmark. In 1989, particularly in September, Saturn and Jupiter opposing each other, (retrograde Saturn in Sagittarius with Mars and Jupiter in Gemini, both at thirteen degrees). accelerated the process of historic world changes, the collapse of the Werlin Wall and of the communist regimes of Eastern Europe and of Russia. In India the Congress government collapsed. The released sinister casteist forces gains upperhand through the imposition of the Mandal Commission Report. The dramatic changes now released by this classical opposition of Saturn and Jupiter aspected by Mars gave birth to perestroika and Glasnost, the reforms initiated by General Secretary Mikhil Gorbachev. It is history now. The significance of the birth of New Russia in Abhijit-muhurta has its own hidden and yet unrevealed divine significance for the world. To understand it, let three facts be remembered. 1) At the height of communist repressions even in 1939, USSR was quietly experimenting with Kirlian photography of aura of man and the extraordinary auras of Avataras. World has not yet realised that even in those hard days USSR did not lose its innate faith in the mystical. Otherwise Kirlian photography would have been dismissed as bourgeois fancy. 2) It was Garga Maharshi who gave us predictive techniques for forecasting earthquakes but it is Russians who have now established that eclipses and New and Full Moons have their pivotal roles in causing seismic activity. It is an amazingly holistic approach to a great research taking help from astrological classics. 3) A major medical colloboration move between India and Russia succeeded in curing the skin cancer cases caused by Chmobyl disaster through Ayurveda. The Russian Academy of Natural Sciences encourages astrology. Last year, a remarkable report on Bhrigu Samhita was submitted to the Academy. It is against this background that the importance of Vargottama 5th lord Saturn joining Moon and Rahu should be studied. Jupiter in the 10th house also to be taken into account. Here is a nation which is making a brilliant approach through proper holistic methods, inspite of its many economic problems at the moment. Experiments in the subconscious are also being done. Saturn/Jupiter conjunction of 2000 and 2001 with Mars influence occurring in the 9th house of the horoscope of Russia is indicative of a combined study and approach of physical sciences with the supernormal. By adopting holistic approach to physical sciences, Russia will definitely become a leading nation and be successful in comprehending the mysterious universe. (From Express Star Teller, August, 2001 Issue) nh Re: [GJ] Virgo transits : Russia > Dear Nicholas > > Why not use the December date as this is when the USSR was officially > dissolved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Dear Cynthia I imagine K N Rao's thinking was that the "new" Russia had started before the USSR was dissolved . Kind regards Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak <gjlist> Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:30 AM Re: [GJ] Virgo transits : Russia > Dear Nicholas > > Why not use the December date as this is when the USSR was officially > dissolved? > > > > Main Story > > Slavic Republics Declare Soviet Union Liquidated > By Michael Dobbs > Washington Post Foreign Service > Monday, December 9, 1991; Page A01 > > MOSCOW, DEC. 8 -- The leaders of Russia, the Ukraine and Byelorussia > formally announced the dissolution of the Soviet Union today and said they > had agreed to establish a "Commonwealth of Independent States" in its place. > > The decision to liquidate the 69-year-old Communist-forged union and halt > activity of all Soviet government organs came during a closed-door meeting > at a Byelorussian hunting lodge near the Polish border in the absence of > Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev. > > There was no immediate comment from Gorbachev, whose constitutional position > as president and commander in chief of the 4-million-member Soviet armed > forces has now been challenged throughout the Slavic heartland of the former > Soviet superpower. > > In Washington, Secretary of State James A. Baker III said in a television > interview that "the Soviet Union as we've known it no longer exists," but he > warned that there is still a risk of civil war amid the ruins of the Soviet > empire. {Details on Page A16.} > > In a joint communique at the end of a two-day Slavic summit, the three > leaders declared: "As founding states of the U.S.S.R. . . . we declare that > the U.S.S.R. is ceasing its existence as a subject of international law and > a geopolitical reality." The three also agreed to establish unified control > over the Soviet Union's 27,000 nuclear warheads and coordinate foreign > relations and economic activity, but they offered no details about how this > was to be accomplished. > > The dramatic move by the three republics, which account for 70 percent of > the Soviet Union's 290 million population and 80 percent of its industrial > output, has far-reaching constitutional implications that are likely to take > some time to unfold. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/russiagov/stories/dissol > ve120991.htm > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Dear Nicholas, I tried to find that date, but came up empty handed. I did a Moon's chart for the December date and it is very interesting. Give it a look. I was assuming that it would be when the old was dissolved. rather like modern India and Pakistan being born when the UK gave them up. Anyway, I did not mean to put you on the spot, I know you didn't create the chart, just wondered if K N Rao said why he chose a different chart. Ever musing and wondering. The charts of country are sticky things. c - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:01 PM Re: [GJ] Virgo transits : Russia > Dear Cynthia > I imagine K N Rao's thinking was that the "new" Russia had started before > the USSR was dissolved . > Kind regards > Nicholas > - > "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak > <gjlist> > Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:30 AM > Re: [GJ] Virgo transits : Russia > > > > Dear Nicholas > > > > Why not use the December date as this is when the USSR was officially > > dissolved? > > > > > > > > Main Story > > > > Slavic Republics Declare Soviet Union Liquidated > > By Michael Dobbs > > Washington Post Foreign Service > > Monday, December 9, 1991; Page A01 > > > > MOSCOW, DEC. 8 -- The leaders of Russia, the Ukraine and Byelorussia > > formally announced the dissolution of the Soviet Union today and said they > > had agreed to establish a "Commonwealth of Independent States" in its > place. > > > > The decision to liquidate the 69-year-old Communist-forged union and halt > > activity of all Soviet government organs came during a closed-door meeting > > at a Byelorussian hunting lodge near the Polish border in the absence of > > Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev. > > > > There was no immediate comment from Gorbachev, whose constitutional > position > > as president and commander in chief of the 4-million-member Soviet armed > > forces has now been challenged throughout the Slavic heartland of the > former > > Soviet superpower. > > > > In Washington, Secretary of State James A. Baker III said in a television > > interview that "the Soviet Union as we've known it no longer exists," but > he > > warned that there is still a risk of civil war amid the ruins of the > Soviet > > empire. {Details on Page A16.} > > > > In a joint communique at the end of a two-day Slavic summit, the three > > leaders declared: "As founding states of the U.S.S.R. . . . we declare > that > > the U.S.S.R. is ceasing its existence as a subject of international law > and > > a geopolitical reality." The three also agreed to establish unified > control > > over the Soviet Union's 27,000 nuclear warheads and coordinate foreign > > relations and economic activity, but they offered no details about how > this > > was to be accomplished. > > > > The dramatic move by the three republics, which account for 70 percent of > > the Soviet Union's 290 million population and 80 percent of its industrial > > output, has far-reaching constitutional implications that are likely to > take > > some time to unfold. > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/russiagov/stories/dissol > > ve120991.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2002 Report Share Posted October 24, 2002 Dear Cynthia You have a good point .The independence chart does also show difficult times .. Actually both charts show the current events so a compromise would be to have the sovereignty chart as the conception chart and Independence chart as the birth chart . In that case both would have resonance with current affairs .I would expect both charts to resonate with the Russian experience just as a prasna chart will resonate with one's birth chart . My points were twofold ; one was to confirm Sateesh's prediction of volatile transits for Virgos . The other was to show how Ketu now at 15.10 Scorpio is exactly aspecting natal Mars at 15.15 Pisces .Mars is the most malefic planet for Virgos and Mahadasha Lord whilst Ketu is the Pratyantara Lord .This is a case which seems to support nodal aspects . Here is Campion's discussion of the two possibilities for the Russian chart .. Thanks for reading my postings also Nicholas Russian Sovereignity June 12, 1990 1.45.00 PM (-03) DST: 01:00 Moscow 37E35'00"; 55N45'00" Asc: 26Vi12 (2:26 Virgo tropical) It was the first act of the Russian people in the actual disintegration of the USSR, which began on 16 November 1988 with the declaration by Estonia of autonomy, followed by Azerbaijan, Georgia, Latvia and Lithuania in 1989. After Russia declared sovereignity (autonomy) the remaining states of the USSR followed suit and the last to do so was Kyrgyztan on 30 October 1990. Campion describes the autonomy event as follows: "The Russian parliament declared the sovereignity of the Russian Federative Republic within the USSR on 12 June 1990. This is a critical moment on the path to Russian independence and the break up of the Soviet Union, marking the assertion of the Russian Republic´s right to control its own internal affairs independently of the Soviet government...On the anniversary of sovereignity, 12 June 1991, Yeltsin won a majority in the first ever democratic election for President, his victory was announced at about 1:30PM BST 13 June 1991. From this moment Russia began to move rapidly to independence as Yeltsin exploited the legitimacy conferred by popular election, contrasted with Gorbachev´s domestic unpopularity." Campion, "The Book of World Horoscopes," p. 309. Campion then also puts up a chart for formal independence one and half year later. Russian Independence Dec 8, 1991 7.45.00 PM (-03) Moscow 37E35'00"; 55N45'00" Asc: 4Le13 (10:27 Cancer tropical) Campion describes the independence event as follows: "Boris Yeltsin's public announcement of the Minsk Declaration at about 7.45 pm Moscow Time (5:45 pm GMT) represents the public proclamation of Russian independence. Chart 278 is set therefore for 7.45 pm Moscow Time, 8 December 1991, and is relocated to Moscow, the Russian Capital. Russian astrologers use a chart for the signing of the agreement at 14:17 EET [...] In this instance, however, the horoscope for the public proclamation seems to be the more powerful political moment. The Russian parliament then formally ratified the Minsk declaration at 13.22.40, 12 December 1991." Campion, "The Book of World Horoscopes," p. 316. > Dear Nicholas, I tried to find that date, but came up empty handed. I did a > Moon's chart for the December date and it is very interesting. Give it a > look. I was assuming that it would be when the old was dissolved. rather > like modern India and Pakistan being born when the UK gave them up. Anyway, > I did not mean to put you on the spot, I know you didn't create the chart, > just wondered if K N Rao said why he chose a different chart. > > Ever musing and wondering. The charts of country are sticky things. > c > > Dear Cynthia > > I imagine K N Rao's thinking was that the "new" Russia had started before > > the USSR was dissolved . > > Kind regards > > Nicholas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2002 Report Share Posted October 24, 2002 THank You Then this sovereignty chart would be much like the chart of the Declaration of Independence chart, which I find the most useful for prediction, for the US. That makes perfect sense to me. I see you have a later edition of Campion's text than I, mine was 1988 and I could certainly use a newer one in these times. Much appreciation as always c - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:42 AM Re: [GJ] Virgo transits : Russia > Dear Cynthia > You have a good point .The independence chart does also show difficult times > . > > Actually both charts show the current events so a compromise would be to > have the sovereignty chart as the conception chart and Independence chart as > the birth chart . In that case both would have resonance with current > affairs .I would expect both charts to resonate with the Russian experience > just as a prasna chart will resonate with one's birth chart . > > My points were twofold ; one was to confirm Sateesh's prediction of volatile > transits for Virgos . > The other was to show how Ketu now at 15.10 Scorpio is exactly aspecting > natal Mars at 15.15 Pisces .Mars is the most malefic planet for Virgos and > Mahadasha Lord whilst Ketu is the Pratyantara Lord .This is a case which > seems to support nodal aspects . > > Here is Campion's discussion of the two possibilities for the Russian chart > . > > Thanks for reading my postings also > Nicholas > > Russian Sovereignity > June 12, 1990 > 1.45.00 PM (-03) DST: 01:00 > Moscow > 37E35'00"; 55N45'00" > Asc: 26Vi12 (2:26 Virgo tropical) > > It was the first act of the Russian people in the actual disintegration of > the USSR, which began on 16 November 1988 with the declaration by Estonia of > autonomy, followed by Azerbaijan, Georgia, Latvia and Lithuania in 1989. > After Russia declared sovereignity (autonomy) the remaining states of the > USSR followed suit and the last to do so was Kyrgyztan on 30 October 1990. > > Campion describes the autonomy event as follows: > "The Russian parliament declared the sovereignity of the Russian Federative > Republic within the USSR on 12 June 1990. This is a critical moment on the > path to Russian independence and the break up of the Soviet Union, marking > the assertion of the Russian Republic´s right to control its own internal > affairs independently of the Soviet government...On the anniversary of > sovereignity, 12 June 1991, Yeltsin won a majority in the first ever > democratic election for President, his victory was announced at about 1:30PM > BST 13 June 1991. From this moment Russia began to move rapidly to > independence as Yeltsin exploited the legitimacy conferred by popular > election, contrasted with Gorbachev´s domestic unpopularity." Campion, "The > Book of World Horoscopes," p. 309. > > > Campion then also puts up a chart for formal independence one and half year > later. > > Russian Independence > Dec 8, 1991 > 7.45.00 PM (-03) > Moscow > 37E35'00"; 55N45'00" > Asc: 4Le13 (10:27 Cancer tropical) > > Campion describes the independence event as follows: > "Boris Yeltsin's public announcement of the Minsk Declaration at about 7.45 > pm Moscow Time (5:45 pm GMT) represents the public proclamation of Russian > independence. Chart 278 is set therefore for 7.45 pm Moscow Time, 8 December > 1991, and is relocated to Moscow, the Russian Capital. Russian astrologers > use a chart for the signing of the agreement at 14:17 EET [...] In this > instance, however, the horoscope for the public proclamation seems to be the > more powerful political moment. The Russian parliament then formally > ratified the Minsk declaration at 13.22.40, 12 December 1991." Campion, "The > Book of World Horoscopes," p. 316. > > > > > Dear Nicholas, I tried to find that date, but came up empty handed. I did > a > > Moon's chart for the December date and it is very interesting. Give it a > > look. I was assuming that it would be when the old was dissolved. rather > > like modern India and Pakistan being born when the UK gave them up. > Anyway, > > I did not mean to put you on the spot, I know you didn't create the chart, > > just wondered if K N Rao said why he chose a different chart. > > > > Ever musing and wondering. The charts of country are sticky things. > > c > > > Dear Cynthia > > > I imagine K N Rao's thinking was that the "new" Russia had started > before > > > the USSR was dissolved . > > > Kind regards > > > Nicholas > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2002 Report Share Posted October 24, 2002 Dear Cynthia Good Analogy At least with Russia there are only 2 charts whereas with the US there are about 10 floating around :-) Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak <gjlist> Friday, October 25, 2002 12:54 AM Re: [GJ] Virgo transits : Russia > THank You > > Then this sovereignty chart would be much like the chart of the Declaration > of Independence chart, which I find the most useful for prediction, for the > US. > > That makes perfect sense to me. I see you have a later edition of Campion's > text than I, mine was 1988 and I could certainly use a newer one in these > times. > > Much appreciation as always > > c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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