Sun eclipse 21 Oct -6?

[Guest guest]

Off topic, but to add something...

 

Johm Melka mentioned something about "the silk trade" and antiquity,

connections.

 

Just wanted to say that there is a video out from Nova/Discovery Channel,

which shows an expedition made by a group of modern archaeologists in recent

years, to see and show, and they do show, clearly,

 

the Celtic mummies of 3,000 years back buried in Western China along the

Silk Trade route- blonde hair intact, tartan woven cloth intact, house gear

fully intact, all prior to those things being prevalent there from chinese

sources, and cave dwellings, with many ancient paintings, there, in China,

where all the people on the walls are shown with red hair, white skin,

celtic dress

 

blonde/red, tartan wearing, (large sections of perfectly preserved 3,000

year old tartan are with the mummies!) horse riding Celts, trading silk from

China to the west, 3,000 years ago, is a visible fact, I've seen the mummies

on video (they're mummies because they were buried in a desert, and just

didn't rot, though they are now, because they've been dug up, and the

chinese government has political reasons to NOT preserve this proof of

inconvenient reality.)

 

Add that to the jnan lodges of history in your brain if you care to.

 

To me, the Celts probably sprung as a kshatriya group out of india at some

point, the children of some gandharva who was white with red hair, sounds

pretty martian, indeed.

 

 

das goravani, probably wasting time which I'll regret as the retributional

backwash comes in later today both subtly and materially.

[Guest guest]

To add to the speculation about dates for Jesus's birth are statements made

in transcribed and recorded Edgar Cayce readings, (which are now available on

CD-ROM). See below for a detailed answer he gave showing a January date.

Love to our wonderful list!

Carol Hook

Annandale, Virginia USA

****************************************************

EC: "Yes, we have the information that has been indicated respecting some of the

events surrounding the birth of Jesus, the son of Mary, in Bethlehem of Judea.

"The purposes are well known, for which the journey was made in the period. The

activities of Joseph are well known. The variation or difference in their ages

is not so oft dealt upon. Neither is there much indicated in sacred or profane

history as to the preparation of the mother for that channel through which

immaculate conception might take place. And this, the immaculate conception, is

a stumblingstone to many worldly-wise.

"The arrival was in the evening, - not as counted from the Roman time, nor that

declared to Moses by God when the second passover was to be kept, nor that same

time which was in common usage even in that land, but what would NOW represent

January sixth.

"The weather was cool, and there were crowds on the way. For, it was only a

sabbath day's journey from Jerusalem. There were great crowds of people on the

way from the hills of Judea.

"The people were active in the occupations of the varied natures in that unusual

land. Some were carpenters, - as those of the house of Joseph, who had been

delayed, even on the journey, by the condition of the Mother. Some in the group

were helpers to Joseph, - carpenters' helpers. Then there were shepherds,

husbandmen, and the varied groups that had their small surroundings as

necessitated by the conditions of the fields about Nazareth.

"In the evening then, or at twilight, Joseph approached the Inn, that was filled

with those who had also journeyed there on their way to be polled for the tax as

imposed by the Romans upon the people of the land. For, those had been sent out

who were to judge the abilities of the varied groups to be taxed. And each

individual was required by the Roman law to be polled in the city of his birth.

 

"Both Joseph and Mary were members of the sect called the Essenes; and thus they

were questioned by those not only in the political but in the religious

authority in the cities.

"Then there was the answer by the inn keeper, "No room in the inn," especially

for such an occasion. Laughter and jeers followed, at the sight of the elderly

man with the beautiful girl, his wife, heavy with child.

"Disappointments were written upon not only the face of Joseph but the inn

keeper's daughter, as well as those of certain groups about the inn. For, many

saw the possibilities of an unusual story that might be gained if the birth

were to take place in the inn. Also there was consternation outside, among

those who had heard that Joseph and Mary had arrived and were not given a room.

They began to seek some place, some shelter.

"For, remember, many of those - too - were of that questioned group; who had

heard of that girl, that lovely wife of Joseph who had been chosen by the

angels on the stair; who had heard of what had taken place in the hills where

Elizabeth had gone, when there was the visit from the cousin - and as to those

things which had also come to pass in her experience. Such stories were

whispered from one to another.

"Thus many joined in the search for some place. Necessity demanded that some

place be sought - quickly. Then it was found, under the hill, in the stable -

above which the shepherds were gathering their flocks into the fold.

"There the Savior, the Child was born; who, through the will and the life

manifested, became the Savior of the world - that channel through which those

of old had been told that the promise would be fulfilled that was made to EVE;

the arising again of another like unto Moses; and as given to David, the

promise was not to depart from that channel. But lower and lower man's concept

of needs had fallen.

"Then, - when hope seemed gone, - the herald angels sang. The star appeared,

that made the wonderment to the shepherds, that caused the awe and

consternation to all of those about the Inn; some making fun, some smitten with

conviction that those unkind things said must needs be readjusted in their

relationships to things coming to pass.

"All were in awe as the brightness of His star appeared and shone, as the music

of the spheres brought that joyful choir, "PEACE ON EARTH! GOOD WILL TO MEN OF

GOOD FAITH."

"ALL felt the vibrations and saw a great light, - not only the shepherds above

that stable but those in the Inn as well.

"To be sure, those conditions were later to be dispelled by the doubters, who

told the people that they had been overcome with wine or what not.

"Just as the midnight hour came, there was the birth of the Master.

"The daughter of the inn keeper was soon upon the scene, as was the mother of

the daughter, and the shepherds that answered the cry - and had gone to see

what was come to pass.

"Those were the manners, and the ones present soon afterwards. For, through the

period of purification the Mother remained there, not deeming it best to leave,

though all forms of assistance were offered; not leaving until there was the

circumcision and the presenting in the temple to the magi, to Anna and to

Simeon.

"Such were the surroundings at the period of the birth of Jesus."

****************************************************

In a message dated 11/12/2002 4:19:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes:

Dear Visti,

>As for an eclipse in Bethlehem on the given date, there was none. The

>lattitude of the Moon was at 2.8 degrees, hence no eclipse occured.

I thought about this date because of Jupiter and Saturn going retrograde

in close conjunction at the same time, which may have been the Star

guiding the 3 Sages from the East, going westwards. But then that must

have happened about 2 years before he was born, since they told Herod he

must have been about 2 years old. Yet he was just a new-born baby at the

time they came.

What do you think about the date of 5th of November -4 (5BC) at about 4:25

am? Moon is in Aquarius, 8th from AL, hemmed in by 2 malefics, and

aspected by retrograde Saturn, signifying apparent death by hanging, while

Ketu is also in 3rd from AL. Saturn being lord of 4th and aspecting Moon

and 4th house, and being in 7th house retrograde and debilitated makes him

a renunciate, and there is a Jaya yoga, Jupiter and Venus in trines,

giving fame and glory. Navamsa looks strong as well. What do you think?

Your sishya,

Dhira Krsna dasa

[Guest guest]

That is my understanding, too, that Cayce gave more than one date. i haven't

found the location of the other date...would you have the reading number, by any

chance? Thanks, Ron, for adding another possible birth date for study. I would

be fascinated if someone were to write an article detailing all the speculative

dates put forth, and what each date might indicate.

Love to all,

Carol

In a message dated 11/12/2002 8:02:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, rongaunt (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au writes:

Carol,

Cayce at other times mentioned that the birth was on 24/25th

December (in current dates). This anomoly was not cleared up

event thought it was queried in other readings.

Ron Gaunt

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti,

 

>As for an eclipse in Bethlehem on the given date, there was none. The

>lattitude of the Moon was at 2.8 degrees, hence no eclipse occured.

 

I thought about this date because of Jupiter and Saturn going retrograde

in close conjunction at the same time, which may have been the Star

guiding the 3 Sages from the East, going westwards. But then that must

have happened about 2 years before he was born, since they told Herod he

must have been about 2 years old. Yet he was just a new-born baby at the

time they came.

 

What do you think about the date of 5th of November -4 (5BC) at about 4:25

am? Moon is in Aquarius, 8th from AL, hemmed in by 2 malefics, and

aspected by retrograde Saturn, signifying apparent death by hanging, while

Ketu is also in 3rd from AL. Saturn being lord of 4th and aspecting Moon

and 4th house, and being in 7th house retrograde and debilitated makes him

a renunciate, and there is a Jaya yoga, Jupiter and Venus in trines,

giving fame and glory. Navamsa looks strong as well. What do you think?

 

Your sishya,

Dhira Krsna dasa

[Guest guest]

Carol,

 

Cayce at other times mentioned that the birth was on 24/25th

December (in current dates). This anomoly was not cleared up

event thought it was queried in other readings.

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:34:10 EST, you wrote:

 

>Hello GJList!

> To add to the speculation about dates for Jesus's birth are statements

>made in transcribed and recorded Edgar Cayce readings, (which are now

>available on CD-ROM). See below for a detailed answer he gave showing a

>January date.

> Love to our wonderful list!

> Carol Hook

> Annandale, Virginia USA

>****************************************************

>

>EC: "Yes, we have the information that has been indicated respecting some of

>the events surrounding the birth of Jesus, the son of Mary, in Bethlehem of

>Judea.

>

>"The purposes are well known, for which the journey was made in the period.

>The activities of Joseph are well known. The variation or difference in their

>ages is not so oft dealt upon. Neither is there much indicated in sacred or

>profane history as to the preparation of the mother for that channel through

>which immaculate conception might take place. And this, the immaculate

>conception, is a stumblingstone to many worldly-wise.

>

>"The arrival was in the evening, - not as counted from the Roman time, nor

>that declared to Moses by God when the second passover was to be kept, nor

>that same time which was in common usage even in that land, but what would

>NOW represent January sixth.

>

>"The weather was cool, and there were crowds on the way. For, it was only a

>sabbath day's journey from Jerusalem. There were great crowds of people on

>the way from the hills of Judea.

>

>"The people were active in the occupations of the varied natures in that

>unusual land. Some were carpenters, - as those of the house of Joseph, who

>had been delayed, even on the journey, by the condition of the Mother. Some

>in the group were helpers to Joseph, - carpenters' helpers. Then there were

>shepherds, husbandmen, and the varied groups that had their small

>surroundings as necessitated by the conditions of the fields about Nazareth.

>

>"In the evening then, or at twilight, Joseph approached the Inn, that was

>filled with those who had also journeyed there on their way to be polled for

>the tax as imposed by the Romans upon the people of the land. For, those had

>been sent out who were to judge the abilities of the varied groups to be

>taxed. And each individual was required by the Roman law to be polled in the

>city of his birth.

>

>"Both Joseph and Mary were members of the sect called the Essenes; and thus

>they were questioned by those not only in the political but in the religious

>authority in the cities.

>

>"Then there was the answer by the inn keeper, "No room in the inn,"

>especially for such an occasion. Laughter and jeers followed, at the sight of

>the elderly man with the beautiful girl, his wife, heavy with child.

>

>"Disappointments were written upon not only the face of Joseph but the inn

>keeper's daughter, as well as those of certain groups about the inn. For,

>many saw the possibilities of an unusual story that might be gained if the

>birth were to take place in the inn. Also there was consternation outside,

>among those who had heard that Joseph and Mary had arrived and were not given

>a room. They began to seek some place, some shelter.

>

>"For, remember, many of those - too - were of that questioned group; who had

>heard of that girl, that lovely wife of Joseph who had been chosen by the

>angels on the stair; who had heard of what had taken place in the hills where

>Elizabeth had gone, when there was the visit from the cousin - and as to

>those things which had also come to pass in her experience. Such stories were

>whispered from one to another.

>

>"Thus many joined in the search for some place. Necessity demanded that some

>place be sought - quickly. Then it was found, under the hill, in the stable -

>above which the shepherds were gathering their flocks into the fold.

>

>"There the Savior, the Child was born; who, through the will and the life

>manifested, became the Savior of the world - that channel through which those

>of old had been told that the promise would be fulfilled that was made to

>EVE; the arising again of another like unto Moses; and as given to David, the

>promise was not to depart from that channel. But lower and lower man's

>concept of needs had fallen.

>

>"Then, - when hope seemed gone, - the herald angels sang. The star appeared,

>that made the wonderment to the shepherds, that caused the awe and

>consternation to all of those about the Inn; some making fun, some smitten

>with conviction that those unkind things said must needs be readjusted in

>their relationships to things coming to pass.

>

>"All were in awe as the brightness of His star appeared and shone, as the

>music of the spheres brought that joyful choir, "PEACE ON EARTH! GOOD WILL TO

>MEN OF GOOD FAITH."

>

>"ALL felt the vibrations and saw a great light, - not only the shepherds

>above that stable but those in the Inn as well.

>

>"To be sure, those conditions were later to be dispelled by the doubters, who

>told the people that they had been overcome with wine or what not.

>

>"Just as the midnight hour came, there was the birth of the Master.

>

>"The daughter of the inn keeper was soon upon the scene, as was the mother of

>the daughter, and the shepherds that answered the cry - and had gone to see

>what was come to pass.

>

>"Those were the manners, and the ones present soon afterwards. For, through

>the period of purification the Mother remained there, not deeming it best to

>leave, though all forms of assistance were offered; not leaving until there

>was the circumcision and the presenting in the temple to the magi, to Anna

>and to Simeon.

>

>"Such were the surroundings at the period of the birth of Jesus."

>

>****************************************************

>

>In a message dated 11/12/2002 4:19:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>Dhira.Krsna.BCS writes:

>

>> Dear Visti,

>>

>> >As for an eclipse in Bethlehem on the given date, there was none. The

>> >lattitude of the Moon was at 2.8 degrees, hence no eclipse occured.

>>

>> I thought about this date because of Jupiter and Saturn going retrograde

>> in close conjunction at the same time, which may have been the Star

>> guiding the 3 Sages from the East, going westwards. But then that must

>> have happened about 2 years before he was born, since they told Herod he

>> must have been about 2 years old. Yet he was just a new-born baby at the

>> time they came.

>>

>> What do you think about the date of 5th of November -4 (5BC) at about 4:25

>> am? Moon is in Aquarius, 8th from AL, hemmed in by 2 malefics, and

>> aspected by retrograde Saturn, signifying apparent death by hanging, while

>> Ketu is also in 3rd from AL. Saturn being lord of 4th and aspecting Moon

>> and 4th house, and being in 7th house retrograde and debilitated makes him

>> a renunciate, and there is a Jaya yoga, Jupiter and Venus in trines,

>> giving fame and glory. Navamsa looks strong as well. What do you think?

>>

>> Your sishya,

>> Dhira Krsna dasa

>>

[Guest guest]

Carol,

 

I will have a look and see if I can dig them out. Regarding this

whole question of the date of birth of Jesus a really good

starting point is the book by David Hughes 'The Star of Bethelhem

Mystery'. Excellent material and plenty of clues to put up

charts.

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:23:51 EST, you wrote:

 

>Ron,

> That is my understanding, too, that Cayce gave more than one date. i

>haven't found the location of the other date...would you have the reading

>number, by any chance? Thanks, Ron, for adding another possible birth date

>for study. I would be fascinated if someone were to write an article

>detailing all the speculative dates put forth, and what each date might

>indicate.

>

> Love to all,

> Carol

>

>In a message dated 11/12/2002 8:02:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>rongaunt writes:

>

>> Carol,

>>

>> Cayce at other times mentioned that the birth was on 24/25th

>> December (in current dates). This anomoly was not cleared up

>> event thought it was queried in other readings.

>>

>>

>> Ron Gaunt

>>