Jesus Bda

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Listmember researchers might be interested in what Cayce said, so here's a

snippet from reading #587-6:

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(Q) When and where in Palestine was Jesus born?

(A) In Bethlehem of Judea, in that grotto not marked in the present but called a

stable; rather in the den where shelter was had did the ENTITY, to be sure, look

upon the child Jesus.

(Q) When was He born?

(A) On the 19th day of what would now be termed March.

(Q) And the year?

(A) Dependent upon from what calendar or from what period ye would judge. From

the Julian calendar, the year 4. From the Hebrew or the Mosaic calendar, the

year 1899.

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In a message dated 11/12/2002 8:44:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, DaveBirr (AT) aol (DOT) com writes:

Carol,Ron,et al. Cayce in reading number 587 states Jesus was born" on the 19th

day of March .By the Julian calander in the year four."This is the only

reading which gives a specific day,year and calander as well as the midnight

birth time.If you erect the time for 12 am EET zone -2:00 035E12 and 31N43 you

get an intertesting chart.Happy researches.Namaste, Dave Birr

[Guest guest]

Hello

 

Could someone who is following, knows, this Jesus conversation, giving

Julian March 19th Year Four, tell me what that is in retro-fitted todays

calendar? (so that I don't have to figure out a Julian to todays calendar

conversion if you've already done so). My program understands everything

through todays calendar, even old dates, so they have to be converted.

 

Thanks,

 

das

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Das,

 

http://home.capecod.net/~pbaum/date/back.htm#Julian

 

This gives the definitions of Julian, Gregorian and Rata Die (Rat-a Dee-aye) and

how to convert.

 

-- John

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On 11/13/02 at 2:04 AM Das Goravani wrote:

 

>Hello

>

>Could someone who is following, knows, this Jesus conversation, giving

>Julian March 19th Year Four, tell me what that is in retro-fitted todays

>calendar? (so that I don't have to figure out a Julian to todays calendar

>conversion if you've already done so). My program understands everything

>through todays calendar, even old dates, so they have to be converted.

>

>Thanks,

>

>das

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>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>: gjlist-

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>Your use of is subject to

 

 

 

 

Strange but stupid:

"One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero,

they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs"

(Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?)

John F (Jack) Melka

[Guest guest]

Dave,

 

If that is 4AD which is suggested. It appears suspect. The death

of Herod is estimated to have occurred in 4/5BC. The flight to

egypt was 2years which takes it back to 6/7BC. Herods order to

kill the male children under 2 years would cover approx 7/8BC for

the time of birth. According to Jewish tradition Jesus was born

sometime between 9/10BC.

 

An interesting item in a pamphlet called 'The Christmas Star' by

Linton and Phyllis Pitluga I picked up at an observatory,

commented on Luke Chap 2 regarding the decree that all the world

should be taxed. It states ' To establish the taxation date we

must go to the white marble walls of a temple dedicated to Caesar

Augustus (in Ankara Turkey). An archeological expedition to

this site in 1926 discovered a text inscribed on these walls

that lists the accomplishments of Caesar Augustus. It is

written in both Latin and Greek. By following the sequence of

accomplishments its seem that taxation occurred in 28BC, 8BC and

14 AD'.

 

It would therefore seem that Joseph and Mary were responding to

the 8BC call when they went to Bethlehem. As communication was

slow it is reasonable to think that the census would have been

between say 7-4BC. This ties in well with the dates above in

the first paragraph.

 

The triple conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter occurred in May 7BC,

Oct 7BC and Feb 6BC. The triple conjunction of Saturn/Jupiter

is very important to the Jews because Jupiter was thought to be

the King of the gods and Saturn was supposed to be the special

protector of the Jews. The wise men would have been aware of the

conjunctions as they were in the night sky. They may therefore

have been referring to this conjunction as the important star as

'star' in those days referred to everything in the sky. (It is

interesting to note that the Hebrew and the Chinese astrologers

did not see anything exceptional in the sky at this time). Thus

a distinct possibility is that the birth occurred in late 7BC or

early 6BC if the Saturn/Jupiter conjunctions were the signs that

the wise men were following.

 

One thing Cayce may have been referring to could be 4BC NOT 4AD.

In the writings of Titius Flavious Clements he states "Jesus was

born in the 28th year of the reign of Caesar Augustus".

This is from 'The Christmas Star' which goes on to say that the

Christian calendar was designed six centuries later by a monk

(Dionysius Exiguus) in 533 AD and the monk used the above quote

as a yardstick. Apparently he did not realize that Caesar

Augustus first began ruling Rome under his family name of

Octavian. It was four years later that the Senate conferred the

title, Caesar Augustus. Hence the Christian calendar and the

birth of Jesus are likely to be off by 4 years if you accept his

other calculations.

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:43:54 EST, you wrote:

 

> Carol,Ron,et al. Cayce in reading number 587 states Jesus was born"

>on the 19th day of March .By the Julian calander in the year four."This is

>the only reading which gives a specific day,year and calander as well as the

>midnight birth time.If you erect the time for 12 am EET zone -2:00 035E12 and

>31N43 you get an intertesting chart.Happy researches.Namaste, Dave Birr

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your post on Jesus. I had read about the census in 8BC also. That

is 8BC for Census order from Rome - so very likely early 7 BC for birth during

year of conjunctions. Communication was slow given the distance, but in

months, not years. The sycophantic servants of the Roman Empire, such as

Herod, were not very slow in carrrying out such orders usually, so probably not

later than 7 BC. Also Herod's descendants coins were being minted around 4BC

after Herod died, so two year old child escaping about 5BC fits well.

However, conjunction does not fit with 'Star of Bethlehem' very well. This has

been suggested again and again since Keppler supported the idea, and maybe

before. The first two conjunctions came closest - about two Moon widths apart

as far as I understand, so no real reason to call that a star. There have been

suggestions of unusual local effects in the sky. I have read a description

which fits, from someone living at that time, but channelled, so it depends if

you believe that. Certainly there is no record from the Chinese, who kept good

records of Novae, comets, etc. Also such was the importance of astronomy to

those ancient societies that they were likely to be well aware of

Jupiter-Saturn cycles.

Regards

Gordon