Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 Dear All I had to take a break from lists. My mind is back and longing for information. Does anyone have the birth data for Qusay and or Uday Hussein? Das, I promise I won't discuss the charts, just looking for information and hoping someone out there has it. Nicholas, if you see this, I agree with you that research has never helped astrology east or west. The western astrologer Richard Tarnus once put it beautifully: THis is a paraphrase: Astrology is so rich and subtle that she will not yield her insights in the scientific laboratory. cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 Cynthia! AN EXCELLENT QUOTE!!! But I liken astrology to the various attempts to describe the Japanese game "Go" to "Western Chess". That is, to play Go well, one must be part poet, and part mathematician. Too much of one or the other and one's game is stilted. So too it is with astrology. You really MUST understand the science (the math), I think, in order to understand periods, etc. And, one also needs a certain detachment. These are the "science" aspects. Yet, at the same time, there seems to be a necessity to understand the "lore", the personalities, if you will of the planets. This requires a certain poetry in one's soul. And I'm not sure this can be taught. I think you either have that gift or you don't... Best Regards, Martin Michaels ----------------------- Sr. Consultant SBC-Ameritech 317-265-1143 mm6365 ------------------------------ Sr. Systems Analyst Nirvana Consulting 317-902-9432 gadgetcoder 'This work we do, It's not "rocket science"... It's much, MUCH harder.' > > cynthianovak2002 [cynthianovak] > Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:50 PM > gjlist > [GJ] Re: Hello Again > > > Dear All > I had to take a break from lists. My mind is back and longing for > information. Does anyone have the birth data for Qusay and or Uday > Hussein? > > Das, I promise I won't discuss the charts, just looking for > information and hoping someone out there has it. > > Nicholas, if you see this, I agree with you that research has never > helped astrology east or west. The western astrologer Richard Tarnus > once put it beautifully: THis is a paraphrase: Astrology is so rich > and subtle that she will not yield her insights in the scientific > laboratory. > > cynthia > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 Dear Martin I love that! I would agree with the "certain poetry." I was once working with a student who is a serious meditator and very "spiritual" in many ways. When it came to astrology he simply wanted tools and to know what works. He has no interest in the lore or the stories in this context. He took a job that gave him access to lots of birth data including time and place of birth on people with cancer. He decided what aspects predicted cancer (no surprise Rahu and Saturn). I asked him to stretch because everyone born on that date would not have cancer. He felt certain and that was all it took. The problem here came with his perception that virtually everyone was going to get cancer and he felt it his mission to prepare them for the inevitability. That to me is astrology run amuck. I'm rambling, but if this type of astrology were truly valid all we would need is an astrology program to cipher the aspects. When people hear some of the stories they are enriched and grow bigger rather than smaller cynthia - "MICHAELS, MARTIN (AIT)" <mm6365 <gjlist> Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:57 PM RE: [GJ] Re: Hello Again > Cynthia! > > AN EXCELLENT QUOTE!!! > > But I liken astrology to the various attempts to describe the Japanese > game "Go" to "Western Chess". That is, to play Go well, one must be > part poet, and part mathematician. Too much of one or the other and > one's game is stilted. > > So too it is with astrology. You really MUST understand the science > (the math), I think, in order to understand periods, etc. And, one also > needs a certain detachment. These are the "science" aspects. > > Yet, at the same time, there seems to be a necessity to understand the > "lore", the personalities, if you will of the planets. This requires a > certain poetry in one's soul. And I'm not sure this can be taught. I > think you either have that gift or you don't... > > Best Regards, > Martin Michaels > ----------------------- > Sr. Consultant > SBC-Ameritech > 317-265-1143 > mm6365 > ------------------------------ > Sr. Systems Analyst > Nirvana Consulting > 317-902-9432 > gadgetcoder > > 'This work we do, > It's not "rocket science"... > It's much, MUCH harder.' > > > > > > cynthianovak2002 [cynthianovak] > > Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:50 PM > > gjlist > > [GJ] Re: Hello Again > > > > > > Dear All > > I had to take a break from lists. My mind is back and longing for > > information. Does anyone have the birth data for Qusay and or Uday > > Hussein? > > > > Das, I promise I won't discuss the charts, just looking for > > information and hoping someone out there has it. > > > > Nicholas, if you see this, I agree with you that research has never > > helped astrology east or west. The western astrologer Richard Tarnus > > once put it beautifully: THis is a paraphrase: Astrology is so rich > > and subtle that she will not yield her insights in the scientific > > laboratory. > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 Re research, cancer, the chap who ran amuck with it, and so on... I have written a program which stores many tags for charts, and can sort them for groups of charts you gather together. It reveals shared placements. How far it goes, is it enough?, is another question. I played with it, and found for example something that I felt worked about HIV, but at that time I wasn't as mature as I am now. I'm not sure it's right, that I'm sure of. But it was something. >From my use of astrology, and I believe I have some gift for insight seeing more than others might often, I believe that there is quantifiable things, or at least, my mind works in such a way, and I'm a programmer, so I see things in that way, it's huge and complex, but it's logical. I guess I am saying I think there is logic to intuition to a large extent, and that to a significant stretch that is mappable in computer code, and could be tracked, I believe some success achieved, yes, with computers. I'm not saying that to sell anything, because frankly it's alot of work, and my heart has other masters and life isn't all that long. But I'm saying it because I believe it to be true. I have a vision for how it could be reasonably coded. It's alot for one person to pull off. Kindof impossible. But with good code and good data, not just birth, but event, I believe computers could be taught to learn from real data, and then predict using what was learned. I can see it. But it will never equal a human who is trained in sensitivity and who themselves is liberated to a large extent, a free soul, a full soul, who is actually capable of guiding others, from being a strong and free soul. That, a computer, can never do, will never be, and we won't want it, the more real healers grow in our ranks. Goodness will come from humans in years to come, not from computers, though they will lend their hand where their hand applies, at our call and design. We are the subjects of interest that drive everything, and the masters over computers, always. roik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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