Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Dear Georgeatte & all, There are different theories for Sade Sati. Normally, when Saturn transits the 12th, the 1st and the 2nd from the Lunar Asc, Sade Sathi is caused. There is another theory that Sade Sathi should be calculated as per degree, minutes and seconds. If Natal Moon is, say 18* of Cancer, then Sade Sathi begins from Saturn 18* Gemini. Of the three phases, the deadliest is Janma Sani, when Saturn transits the Lunar 1st. Health hazards, dissipation of wealth, calumny, unnecessary wanderings and journeys are indicated. ( Kurvanthi Pranasandeham Sthana Bramsam Dhanakshayam ). Thanx and regards, Web Vedic Astrologer G Kumarhttp://www.e.com Free Lessons in Astrology, Numerology, Yoga, Tantra & Pranic Therapy online!http://www.e.com/html/articles.htm Free Massive Matrimonial Database onlinehttp://www.e.com/html/mdb.htm Free Ezine, the Z Files. To info (AT) e (DOT) com?subject= Get Your Free Astro , Numero Reports & Free Consultancy from http://www.e.com - Georgette Young Liebhaber gjlist ; gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:42 AM [GJ] sade sati HELLO...Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when Saturn (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by 60 degrees??)What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect with this transit??Georgette Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 HELLO... Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when Saturn (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by 60 degrees??) What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect with this transit?? Georgette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 Hello Georgette, I just saw your message. I am a member of this group for quite some time, but this is my very first message. Here is what I know about Sade sati. Hope it helps. Regards Rajesh Kumaria. SADE SATHI, KANTAKA SHANI and ASHTAMA SHANI FROM K.T. SHUBHAKARAN "When Saturn transits the first 30 degrees(12th house sign from Natal Moon Sign) , it is said to be transiting the eyes of the native. Duirng this period the native suffers from various troubles and fears. During the next 30 degrees(Ist house sign from Natal Moon Sign), it is said to be transiting through the heart of the native. Results in worries and fear of death. Enemies will increase. if employed, wrath of the superiors will have to be faced. During the last phase of Sade sathi(2nd house sign from Natal Moon Sign), it is said to pass through the legs of the naïve. During this period the mind is full of compications, he runs here and there for solving the problems. Unexpected reversals in profession and business take place." During the period of Ashtami Shani(8th house sign from Natal Moon Sign), the native will be neglected by his wife and children. He will be forced to do illegal activities against his consciousness, which ultimately cause lot of humiliation. (reminds me of the great Valmiki Rishi of Ramayana) During the period of Kantaka Shani(4th house sign from Natal Moon Sign), the native may have to face sepration from wife either due to death, divorce or some other unexpected situation which warrants to stay away from the wife and relatives. Heavy Loss of wealth. When the natal Saturn is benefic as for Capricorn, Aquarius, Taurus and Libra lagans and also place favourably in any of the above signs, then during harmful transits of Saturn, onemay not experience all of the above mentioned hardships, but rather a normal state of affairs will be maintained(true in my personal experience..I have Aquarius Lagna with Saturn in Capricorn)…Also the current Mahadasa and Antardasa effects have to be taken into consideration. Saturn's effects can only modify the current antardasa effects accordingly (malefic/benefic)..In short tensions will rise for all such persons but prevailing antardasas and other major combinations must be taken into considerations gjlist, Georgette Young Liebhaber <georgetteyoung@a...> wrote: > HELLO... > > Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when Saturn > (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by 60 degrees??) > What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect with this > transit?? > > Georgette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Dear Georgette Sade sati is a period of about 7 1/2 years when Saturn passes through the 12th house 1st house and 2nd house from the Moon .So suposing the Moon is in Leo sade sati will be the period when Saturn transits throgh Cancer ,Leo and then Virgo .It is said to be malefic and give life transforming events .From a traditional perspective these are not the best transits for Saturn .Sade sati is worse for those Lagnas where Saturn is functionally malefic . In any case it is only one factor and one shouldn't get despondent if facing one since results are usually mixed . Hope this helps Nicholas - Georgette Young Liebhaber gjlist ; gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:12 PM [GJ] sade sati HELLO...Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when Saturn (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by 60 degrees??)What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect with this transit??Georgette Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Thank you for this posting. I realized that I am in a period of beginning sade sati - moon is in the first degrees of cancer and transiting saturn is in gemini now. So I understand, why my job becomes painful. I will see it in another way now. Thank you, Cynthia. Regards Gisela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Dear All I am a professional astrologer. Sade Sati does not promise such experiences as described here for everyone. Certainly some will have this type of experience. What I have found is the people who come to astrologers are usually struggling in some manner. To presume that everyone who has the sade sati will suffer is a mistake. The folks who do not suffer are usually folks who enjoy their work and are in alignment with the purpose of the soul or spirit. Saturn is a truth teller. Like a great accountant, he looks at the assets and the losses. He reminds us how we are working with the drives of the spirit. This transit is most difficult when you are NOT working in that sort of alignment. I have seen clients who are on medication to be able to continue to work in a job they hate. I have seen folks lose jobs, but never a job they love and are in alignment with. I have seen lack of energy or vitality, but that is for those things that are not in kinship with the spirit. Here is a simple example I always use with clients who have this transit. Say someone calls you up and asks you to lunch. You have gone to lunch with him many times in the past. Suddenly your body is very resistant to it. You don't want to listen to the old stories or the old complaints. You would rather be alone. If you accept this and trust it you are more peaceful. If you force yourself to continue as you have in the past you are very irritable and restless. Saturn to the Moon feels as if you are abandoned by god. You are not, but you feel that you have lost your connection. This is true if you are not in alignment with your talents and abilities. Saturn requires we take stock of what is and respond accordingly. When we do not do this, we are forced by circumstances that appear outside the self. They are not, they are part of the essence of self crying out for expression. The unnecessary wanderings are in face very necessary. We need to get away from what does not fit. The most challenging period is the 9 months (birth cycle) when Saturn transits the Moon exactly 3 times. The more the individual flows with the transit the quicker the birth. Regardless, there is a birth. Often we struggle to see what is being created. As an astrologer to speak only of the suffering and not of the gift is rather like describing the pain of childbirth and not mentioning that a new being will come from it. Sorry for being so bold in my first post. This is a sore point for me. I prefer to help clients move through this period then tell them to simply endure it. If I am out of line let me know. c - zodiac gjlist Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:05 PM Re: [GJ] sade sati Dear Georgeatte & all, There are different theories for Sade Sati. Normally, when Saturn transits the 12th, the 1st and the 2nd from the Lunar Asc, Sade Sathi is caused. There is another theory that Sade Sathi should be calculated as per degree, minutes and seconds. If Natal Moon is, say 18* of Cancer, then Sade Sathi begins from Saturn 18* Gemini. Of the three phases, the deadliest is Janma Sani, when Saturn transits the Lunar 1st. Health hazards, dissipation of wealth, calumny, unnecessary wanderings and journeys are indicated. ( Kurvanthi Pranasandeham Sthana Bramsam Dhanakshayam ). Thanx and regards, Web Vedic Astrologer G Kumarhttp://www.e.com Free Lessons in Astrology, Numerology, Yoga, Tantra & Pranic Therapy online!http://www.e.com/html/articles.htm Free Massive Matrimonial Database onlinehttp://www.e.com/html/mdb.htm Free Ezine, the Z Files. To info (AT) e (DOT) com?subject= Get Your Free Astro , Numero Reports & Free Consultancy from http://www.e.com - Georgette Young Liebhaber gjlist ; gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:42 AM [GJ] sade sati HELLO...Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when Saturn (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by 60 degrees??)What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect with this transit??Georgette Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Thanks everyone... I am getting a run-on of patients who are either starting their sade sati or nearing the end of one. Everything comes in groups!! Thanks for the background information on this one. If tensions are up so are their chief complaints. Georgette At 07:18 AM 11/14/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hello Georgette, I just saw your message. I am a member of this >group for quite some time, but this is my very first message. Here is >what I know about Sade sati. Hope it helps. Regards Rajesh Kumaria. > >SADE SATHI, KANTAKA SHANI and ASHTAMA SHANI > >FROM K.T. SHUBHAKARAN >"When Saturn transits the first 30 degrees(12th house sign from >Natal >Moon Sign) , it is said to be transiting the eyes of the native. >Duirng this period the native suffers from various troubles and fears. > >During the next 30 degrees(Ist house sign from Natal Moon Sign), it >is said to be transiting through the heart of the native. Results in >worries and fear of death. Enemies will increase. if employed, wrath >of the superiors will have to be faced. > >During the last phase of Sade sathi(2nd house sign from Natal Moon >Sign), it is said to pass through the legs of the naïve. During >this >period the mind is full of compications, he runs here and there for >solving the problems. Unexpected reversals in profession and business >take place." > >During the period of Ashtami Shani(8th house sign from Natal Moon >Sign), the native will be neglected by his wife and children. He will >be forced to do illegal activities against his consciousness, which >ultimately cause lot of humiliation. (reminds me of the great Valmiki >Rishi of Ramayana) > >During the period of Kantaka Shani(4th house sign from Natal Moon >Sign), the native may have to face sepration from wife either due to >death, divorce or some other unexpected situation which warrants to >stay away from the wife and relatives. Heavy Loss of wealth. > > >When the natal Saturn is benefic as for Capricorn, Aquarius, Taurus >and Libra lagans and also place favourably in any of the above signs, >then during harmful transits of Saturn, onemay not experience all of >the above mentioned hardships, but rather a normal state of affairs >will be maintained(true in my personal experience..I have Aquarius >Lagna with Saturn in Capricorn)…Also the current Mahadasa and >Antardasa effects have to be taken into consideration. Saturn's >effects can only modify the current antardasa effects accordingly >(malefic/benefic)..In short tensions will rise for all such persons >but prevailing antardasas and other major combinations must be taken >into considerations >gjlist, Georgette Young Liebhaber <georgetteyoung@a...> >wrote: > > HELLO... > > > > Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when >Saturn > > (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by >60 degrees??) > > What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect >with this > > transit?? > > > > Georgette > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Well, what happens when saturn is opposing the moon. What do you call that?? That doesn't sound like a comfortable transit either. Georgette t 07:33 PM 11/14/2002 +1100, you wrote: Dear Georgette Sade sati is a period of about 7 1/2 years when Saturn passes through the 12th house 1st house and 2nd house from the Moon .So suposing the Moon is in Leo sade sati will be the period when Saturn transits throgh Cancer ,Leo and then Virgo .It is said to be malefic and give life transforming events .From a traditional perspective these are not the best transits for Saturn .Sade sati is worse for those Lagnas where Saturn is functionally malefic . In any case it is only one factor and one shouldn't get despondent if facing one since results are usually mixed .. Hope this helps Nicholas - Georgette Young Liebhaber To: gjlist ; gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:12 PM [GJ] sade sati HELLO... Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when Saturn (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by 60 degrees??) What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect with this transit?? Georgette Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Georgette Young Liebhaber <georgetteyoung (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> gjlist Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:08:23 -0800 gjlist Re: [GJ] sade sati Well, what happens when saturn is opposing the moon. What do you call that?? It's called: "Oh good, it's gonna be about 15 years til that jerk's back over here" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 At 07:56 PM 11/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: Georgette Young Liebhaber <georgetteyoung (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> gjlist Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:08:23 -0800 gjlist Re: [GJ] sade sati Well, what happens when saturn is opposing the moon. What do you call that?? It's called: "Oh good, it's gonna be about 15 years til that jerk's back over here" Oh, you're tooo much, Das!! I love it! Love you too!! georgette Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 Dear Georgette It can also be stressful, but an opposition is easier to see. You can identify the stress, the place where change or surrender is needed. Imagine that an opposition is someone sitting across the table from you. You can see them clearly. A conjunction would be someone sitting on top of you, it is difficult to see when you are so weighted down. Saturn often feels like wearing a cement overcoat. The ultimate lesson is truth. c - Georgette Young Liebhaber gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:08 PM Re: [GJ] sade sati Well, what happens when saturn is opposing the moon. What do you call that??That doesn't sound like a comfortable transit either.Georgette t 07:33 PM 11/14/2002 +1100, you wrote: Dear GeorgetteSade sati is a period of about 7 1/2 years when Saturn passes through the 12th house 1st house and 2nd house from the Moon .So suposing the Moon is in Leo sade sati will be the period when Saturn transits throgh Cancer ,Leo and then Virgo .It is said to be malefic and give life transforming events .From a traditional perspective these are not the best transits for Saturn ..Sade sati is worse for those Lagnas where Saturn is functionally malefic . In any case it is only one factor and one shouldn't get despondent if facing one since results are usually mixed .Hope this helpsNicholas - Georgette Young Liebhaber To: gjlist ; gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:12 PM [GJ] sade sati HELLO... Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when Saturn (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by 60 degrees??) What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect with this transit?? Georgette Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat To , send an email to: gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 At 10:46 AM 11/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: Dear Georgette It can also be stressful, but an opposition is easier to see. You can identify the stress, the place where change or surrender is needed. So basically Cynthia, the principles you are describing are very similar to my western astrology principles. Imagine that an opposition is someone sitting across the table from you. You can see them clearly. A conjunction would be someone sitting on top of you, it is difficult to see when you are so weighted down. Saturn often feels like wearing a cement overcoat. The ultimate lesson is truth. And the 90 degree is like playing tug of war with your opponent who is around the corner from the building. You can't see them; but you know they are there. You feel the tension. And, this is often called the "projection" aspect in western astrology. Can you apply the same western principles of "aspecting" in the vedic chart?? c - Georgette Young Liebhaber To: gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:08 PM Re: [GJ] sade sati Well, what happens when saturn is opposing the moon. What do you call that?? That doesn't sound like a comfortable transit either. Georgette t 07:33 PM 11/14/2002 +1100, you wrote: Dear Georgette Sade sati is a period of about 7 1/2 years when Saturn passes through the 12th house 1st house and 2nd house from the Moon .So suposing the Moon is in Leo sade sati will be the period when Saturn transits throgh Cancer ,Leo and then Virgo .It is said to be malefic and give life transforming events .From a traditional perspective these are not the best transits for Saturn .Sade sati is worse for those Lagnas where Saturn is functionally malefic . In any case it is only one factor and one shouldn't get despondent if facing one since results are usually mixed . Hope this helps Nicholas - Georgette Young Liebhaber To: gjlist ; gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:12 PM [GJ] sade sati HELLO... Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when Saturn (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by 60 degrees??) What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect with this transit?? Georgette Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat To , send an email to: gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 I too, Cynthia, am a professional western medical/psychological astrologer and an acupuncturist/herbalist. I like the western ways of helping patients move thru difficult periods. There is often a great gift waiting to be claimed during difficult transits or disabilities. Thanks for your support, here. I'm new to the Jyotish world (about a year and a half now) but spent the last 25 years studying western astrology. As much as I love my studies of Jyotish, I find that the classical interpretations in Vedic astrology can be full of doom and gloom. And I agree that a saturn transit can lead one to an experience of feeling "abandoned by god". Alice Baily discusses in her classic volumes of "Esoteric Astrology" and "Esoteric Healing" that one of the psychological reasons for causing disease in NOT connecting with your HEART work! Truly, unfulfilling jobs can lead to chronic underlying disease patterns. But then again, if one LOVES their work, and a difficult transit comes by, ....then it is time to peel the onion to another layer and heal ANOTHER ISSUE. But if my understanding is correct about Vedic astrology, it' brings you face to face with the Karmas of life that are unfolding. And it is often hard to deny one's Karmas!! more later... Georgette At 09:57 AM 11/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: Dear All I am a professional astrologer. Sade Sati does not promise such experiences as described here for everyone. Certainly some will have this type of experience. What I have found is the people who come to astrologers are usually struggling in some manner. To presume that everyone who has the sade sati will suffer is a mistake. The folks who do not suffer are usually folks who enjoy their work and are in alignment with the purpose of the soul or spirit. Saturn is a truth teller. Like a great accountant, he looks at the assets and the losses. He reminds us how we are working with the drives of the spirit. This transit is most difficult when you are NOT working in that sort of alignment. I have seen clients who are on medication to be able to continue to work in a job they hate. I have seen folks lose jobs, but never a job they love and are in alignment with. I have seen lack of energy or vitality, but that is for those things that are not in kinship with the spirit. Here is a simple example I always use with clients who have this transit. Say someone calls you up and asks you to lunch. You have gone to lunch with him many times in the past. Suddenly your body is very resistant to it. You don't want to listen to the old stories or the old complaints. You would rather be alone. If you accept this and trust it you are more peaceful. If you force yourself to continue as you have in the past you are very irritable and restless. Saturn to the Moon feels as if you are abandoned by god. You are not, but you feel that you have lost your connection. This is true if you are not in alignment with your talents and abilities. Saturn requires we take stock of what is and respond accordingly. When we do not do this, we are forced by circumstances that appear outside the self. They are not, they are part of the essence of self crying out for expression. The unnecessary wanderings are in face very necessary. We need to get away from what does not fit. The most challenging period is the 9 months (birth cycle) when Saturn transits the Moon exactly 3 times. The more the individual flows with the transit the quicker the birth. Regardless, there is a birth. Often we struggle to see what is being created. As an astrologer to speak only of the suffering and not of the gift is rather like describing the pain of childbirth and not mentioning that a new being will come from it. Sorry for being so bold in my first post. This is a sore point for me. I prefer to help clients move through this period then tell them to simply endure it. If I am out of line let me know. c - zodiac To: gjlist Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:05 PM Re: [GJ] sade sati Dear Georgeatte & all, There are different theories for Sade Sati. Normally, when Saturn transits the 12th, the 1st and the 2nd from the Lunar Asc, Sade Sathi is caused. There is another theory that Sade Sathi should be calculated as per degree, minutes and seconds. If Natal Moon is, say 18* of Cancer, then Sade Sathi begins from Saturn 18* Gemini. Of the three phases, the deadliest is Janma Sani, when Saturn transits the Lunar 1st. Health hazards, dissipation of wealth, calumny, unnecessary wanderings and journeys are indicated. ( Kurvanthi Pranasandeham Sthana Bramsam Dhanakshayam ). Thanx and regards, Web Vedic Astrologer G Kumar http://www.e.com Free Lessons in Astrology, Numerology, Yoga, Tantra & Pranic Therapy online! http://www.e.com/html/articles.htm Free Massive Matrimonial Database online http://www.e.com/html/mdb.htm Free Ezine, the Z Files. To info (AT) e (DOT) com?subject= Get Your Free Astro , Numero Reports & Free Consultancy from http://www.e.com - Georgette Young Liebhaber To: gjlist ; gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:42 AM [GJ] sade sati HELLO... Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when Saturn (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by 60 degrees??) What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect with this transit?? Georgette Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 Cynthia... Did I miss something here?? I did not receive the post you are referring to. Can you resend it to me?? Georgette Sorry for being so bold in my first post. This is a sore point for me. I prefer to help clients move through this period then tell them to simply endure it. If I am out of line let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Dear Georgette Ahh, you see the old western astrologer in me! In Vedic we learn that the planets throw their energy into different houses. An aspect in many ways is an aspect, the planets' energies are intertwined. Using the drishti or throwing term, if you drop something on me it is a different experience than if you throw it toward me from across the room. Again, it is different if you use a boomerang or a fierce curve ball to hit me where I least expect it. When I first entered Vedic astrology, I was really excited, Oh, I get to lose the 1-4 aspect of Saturn, I wish! <great grins> BTW, I want to thank you again for the Menopause type book suggestion it is a real winner. I'm ordering a copy for a MD friend hopefully it will help her and her patients. She is not ready to try herbs, but her training was so limited in this area (she is a family practice specialty) and her compassion for her patients so great that she'll read anything! <more grins> c - Georgette Young Liebhaber gjlist Friday, November 15, 2002 5:13 PM Re: [GJ] sade sati At 10:46 AM 11/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: Dear Georgette It can also be stressful, but an opposition is easier to see. You can identify the stress, the place where change or surrender is needed.So basically Cynthia, the principles you are describing are very similar to my western astrology principles. Imagine that an opposition is someone sitting across the table from you. You can see them clearly. A conjunction would be someone sitting on top of you, it is difficult to see when you are so weighted down. Saturn often feels like wearing a cement overcoat. The ultimate lesson is truth.And the 90 degree is like playing tug of war with your opponent who is around the corner from the building. You can't see them; but you know they are there. You feel the tension. And, this is often called the "projection" aspect in western astrology. Can you apply the same western principles of "aspecting" in the vedic chart?? c - Georgette Young Liebhaber To: gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:08 PM Re: [GJ] sade sati Well, what happens when saturn is opposing the moon. What do you call that?? That doesn't sound like a comfortable transit either. Georgette t 07:33 PM 11/14/2002 +1100, you wrote: Dear Georgette Sade sati is a period of about 7 1/2 years when Saturn passes through the 12th house 1st house and 2nd house from the Moon .So suposing the Moon is in Leo sade sati will be the period when Saturn transits throgh Cancer ,Leo and then Virgo .It is said to be malefic and give life transforming events .From a traditional perspective these are not the best transits for Saturn ..Sade sati is worse for those Lagnas where Saturn is functionally malefic . In any case it is only one factor and one shouldn't get despondent if facing one since results are usually mixed . Hope this helps Nicholas ----- Original Message ----- Georgette Young Liebhaber gjlist ; gjlist Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:12 PM [GJ] sade sati HELLO... Can SOMEONE define Sade Sate for me?? I understand that it is when Saturn (by transit) is moving into a conjunction to the natal moon. (by 60 degrees??) What is the orb?? How does it manifest?? What should one expect with this transit?? Georgette Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat To , send an email to: gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 No, I thought I was posting to the sidereal list. Mia culpa mia culpa c - Georgette Young Liebhaber gjlist Friday, November 15, 2002 5:36 PM Re: [GJ] sade sati Cynthia...Did I miss something here?? I did not receive the post you are referring to. Can you resend it to me??Georgette Sorry for being so bold in my first post. This is a sore point for me. I prefer to help clients move through this period then tell them to simply endure it. If I am out of line let me know.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 I have been lurking on this list for some time, and wish to add something to the Saturn discussion. I would like to bring up a different source of concern with Saturn/astrology -- astrology can help you see something is coming, but often not EXACTLY what. The resultant preparation can also be a source of stress and growth. Here are some facts, for example: A) Unfortunately for me, natal Saturn is in the 10th house (holding hands with Mercury) and he is a wrecking ball. Every time Saturn takes a top-3 Dasha hostage I lose my job or it changes drastically for the worse. How quickly I get a new one, and whether or not it is a better job, varies. But my nickname for Saturn is "The Devastator" and he earns it every time without fail. I should stress that these events were almost always necessary and unavoidable. B) I must move from my current residence...so do I get a townhome, rent an apt., or rent a room? Not too stressful a situation, right? One might even say I am excitedly hopeful. C) One year from now, and all at once, Saturn will claim 3 of my top 4 Dashas. It will hold 3 for a month, and 2 for another 4 months. In my adult life I have not witnessed the level of devastation this appears to represent. Would I lose my job and consequently my home if I buy a townhome? Should I rent a room and live like a pauper for the next year? Will I become destitute? These are rhetorical for you, but for me they are serious questions and consequences. I haven't even been in my job (which I love) for one year...a gift from the last time Saturn took dashas..."Saturn giveth and Saturn taketh away?" Sometimes I look jealously at people with persistently boring lives. I am not a negative person. In fact, I can point to Saturn's every mess and see my life has been much better for them. However, knowing Saturn will do something this HUGE ahead of time stresses me. I know I can take steps, save money, introspect, gain job skills, etc...and try to prepare. This is good. Ironically, my preparation could even contribute to the initiation of the coming event. But in the end, I'm not going to get much say in the matter -- he's going to wipe me out quickly and hard. The only question is how close I will come to losing everything. There's going to be lots of screaming into the night sky. Finally, my point: "That was a big truck that ran over me" is a different kind of stress than "When I get hit, how big is the truck going to be?" Vedic astrology has introduced me to the latter, and I'm not sure if I like it. I have to call upon the power-that-be with humility and trust, and propogate/manifest/actualize/visualize/imagine that I will ably handle whatever happens. I do believe that preparation and response behaviors are influential upon both empirical results and subjective experience. This is my introductory post. Thanks for your patience, all. I am appreciative to be lurking in such a list. -- MF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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