Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 About Life Force After all my life, study, observation, self struggle, watching others, raising two kids to maturity, and so on... I have noticed, from Jyotish, that those who have "Life Force" to a high degree in their chart, suffer less. It's not that life is different for them, but they have the power to handle it better, hence they suffer less. Take battle: Those in battle who are stronger, suffer less. Life is like that. Hero's are always those who are strongest, in battle at least. Arjuna, the Pandavas, Koo-Colin of Ireland, etc., are always those who are most vested from birth with greater physical power, greater mental power. The leaders of life in all fields are those with POWER in mind or body. If in the chart, the luminaries, and Mars, the planets of power, are all darkened, then the life force is less, then the normal going on of life will be harder for them. My chart, despite the good Jupiter, gives me Mars in 12, Moon with Ketu greatly darkened by Saturn, Sun conjoining a serious malefic, and not in angle or trine, and in Kumba in Navamsa, a first class Maraka is in first, Saturn exactly 9th (blocking fortune) for Venus, Rahu in 5th, Ketu with the Moon... I am literally saved by Jupiter alone. I have noticed that those who have a VERY strong Sun are nearly impossible to bring down. They always find power again. Those with seriously well placed Mars always have physical strength, which alone wards off "down". I have noticed that the fact is, that STRUGGLE AGAINST NEGATIVE FORCES in the chart is the ONLY way to make progress for those thus challenged. Despite whatever one might think of me, and how I might look, I have to struggle to have life force. The placements in my chart keep it constantly slipping away. As a child I was weaker, less able to play, less able to feel any joy. I was always sad. My only solace was "higher knowledge", and I always did good in school, and the teachers, the Gurus, always loved me very much. This has kept me going. It's still the way. For life force, I have to STRUGGLE to get it. I have to jog. I have taken to wearing mostly red. I have to battle the darkness. Saturn sits on my midheaven exactly, and is exactly 9th from my Venus, and disposits my Moon in rasi/navamsa/others, and Ketu is key in my chart. The tendency for the life force to slip away into oblivian and the darkness of death is very strong. I have to struggle against this. This is the prescription. Anyone who is sensible in astrology would recommend to me either pacify saturn so he'll let up or fight against him so as to survive It's one or the other. But Saturn has got to be a focus, because he's bearing down. From age 25 to 45 he rules by dasha, transits all my planets, and he holds the moon. Has it been hard? Very. Some think I look good and am somewhat famous. Great. It's all been born of tremendous struggle. I come from poverty, oppression, depression and ancestral pain, grew up around sick and depressed parents, couldn't finish college, couldn't avoid heavy drug use. What good I have is born of struggling with the Holy Name of Krishna on my lips and mind constantly. That's it. In 93 in depression I started this business, and through constant depression have I struggled and built the software. Only in struggling and praying can some of us make any progress. There are some things I recommend as well as prayer: MINERAL supplements, to increase the electricity in the body; Body work which involves life force increase, such as electrical input through feet, electrical baths (yes, such devices exist and really help!), massage, to increase movement in the flesh, as movement is anti-death; Vibrational things such as massage chairs and such devices; All types of dietary supplements, as FOOD is the source of energy; Excercise, yes yes, you must get heart and all things working strongly as possible. To do these things for many is monetarily impossible, so they go down and die. Try preaching these things to poor Indians on a reservation. They have no money, no access. Struggle! Excercise, cooking, massage each other, struggle against the death! I spent time with a group of Los Angeles woman models. I did their charts, hovered in their realm for a few days (no, I got no sex, no touching, mind away from that please). They had expensive places, expensive cars, rich boyfriends, movie star boyfriends, big business boyfriends, they give sex for thousands of dollars to the rich and famous, they date the totally famous, they work at the playboy mansion. Yes, these were woman IN the groove of Hollywood completely, and quite a group of them, friends, passed me around for a few days. During that time, I was always crying, it didn't help me, it made things worse. But I watched them, studied them. They have optimism, because of the connections, the wealth, the cars, the weather, the stars, the chances/opportunities. Their minds think always "Something good is about to happen". They have everything, and live in pleasure. But they weren't really happy. Not more than average people really. They just had a whole bunch of good stuff, but they didn't have clarity. They have high levels of illusion, lust, hope, desire, which ward off appreciating what they do have already. They have NOTHING to say about the countless without. They cannot even go to those thoughts in their minds. They feel that they are lucky, and they just say "Too bad" for everyone else. Period. In a previous life I think I was a defender of Druids. I remember. We lost. It hurt. In a later life I lived on the Skellig Isles, barren rock monasteries off the Coast of Ireland, praying for the suffering masses of Ireland, trying to help, in the wake of their genocide and oppression. I cannot forget the many who suffer totally on Earth. There are many today, who don't have food, shelter, who live in war zones, who suffer constantly much more than any of us who have computers and time for email, money for an internet connection. They have charts too. They are part of our discussion, if we are to know the truth. In New York "all was well" til the airplanes hit. For a time, New York knew what is war and pain. It came of a sudden. It can happen again. This is life too. Struggle, Prayer, Taking Steps against the oppressive elements of nature and life, these things must be done. When the British pushed the Irish off the land, onto the Western rocky land, under threat of "Migrate or be knifed by sword", they gave them nothing. They just said "Leave". It was a "Trail of Tears" for millions of people. Woman died of starvation. Their babies, crawling away from the dead mother in the ditch by the road, were snatched by wolves while living. This was seen, alot. Somalia, same thing. Starvation and Genocide have occured many times. These people all had charts. They were all real. Their pain was immense. It is happening today in Africa and other places. It is real. It could happen anywhere actually. Our Western countries are fragile in their support systems due to modernization. Food is mechanized and not localized. It could be broken off. Only facing the fact that life is hard, struggling to improve it, struggling to survive, doing the needful, praying... only these things are real and make sense. Those with money, friends, enjoyment, pleasures, and so on, are in the less, and if they are flying in that good space, enjoying, they will eventually know the opposite, usually, and will need then to hear all these things. I cannot see how an astrologer could be well trained and not know all these things. I do however see that there is every kind of thing, including every kind of astrologer, and some are trying to promote the happiness factor, against what I consider to be the truth of life. Those who are down and suffering: GET UP AND STRUGGLE. This is my advice. Continue to fight on, fight for strenght, will to live, take nutrition, take excercise, get sunlight, breathe, say strong prayers, shake it off as best as possible. Those who are dieing, I say, pray, focus on spirit, don't break for mental anquish, focus on spirit. It's about life force. We must struggle to have it. Always. Those blessed with it, they are fortunate. Those who are not so blessed are in the majority it seems. Peace to all my brothers and sisters, and strength to you as well, share the power, encourage the strength, we must go on, "we're all we got, so on we go". brother rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Dear Das I found you life force theory fascinating. Where as my life is almost the exact opposite of yours. I have exalted mars in Capricorn my 11th house and a very weak Jupiter in Aquarius my 12th house with Rahu stomping all over my 1st house. As a child I lived a wonderful life with angles as parents. My biggest problem was I am dyslexic. School was no picnic for me, back then they knew nothing of dyslexia and I was passed from class to class and labeled mentally lazy. To day I would not give it up for anything. It allows me to see the forest through the trees. I see now that mars has given me the LIFE'S ENERGY to persevere in my learning. for every book I pick up is a challenge for me and I not only meet this challenge head on but I crave it. I have to know the truth about life or I would feel my life is wasted. At one time I would have given anything to have a mind like yours but as I am much older and wiser now I am quit content in my self and what ever suffering I must endure. Yes my friend we all suffer, but what may seem to be UN-bearable to one may seem to be a breeze to an other. We all have our crosses to bare. Your advise is good my friend but I find it easier to detach from the suffering knowing that this to shall pass. knowing that in all nature, peace & bliss! comes from a state of balance In my practice I use stones to give strength to the weak planets with good results. I think this thing about appeasing the Gods by wearing a stone for the stronger malefic planets gives it more power and therefore creating more stress in ones life. My only hope is that by making ones life easier that I am not robbing one of a much needed lesson. if so and in all eternity I know that what goes around will come around and my karmic repercussion/debt shouldn't be to horrid, since my intentions are from love. Hang in there my friend hang in there! Bless You ...... Noel ..... - Das Goravani <> <gjlist> Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:23 AM [GJ] "Life Force" and Obstacles > > About Life Force > > > After all my life, study, observation, self struggle, watching others, > raising two kids to maturity, and so on... > > > I have noticed, from Jyotish, that those who have "Life Force" to a high > degree in their chart, suffer less. It's not that life is different for > them, but they have the power to handle it better, hence they suffer less. > > Take battle: Those in battle who are stronger, suffer less. Life is like > that. Hero's are always those who are strongest, in battle at least. Arjuna, > the Pandavas, Koo-Colin of Ireland, etc., are always those who are most > vested from birth with greater physical power, greater mental power. The > leaders of life in all fields are those with POWER in mind or body. > > If in the chart, the luminaries, and Mars, the planets of power, are all > darkened, then the life force is less, then the normal going on of life will > be harder for them. > > My chart, despite the good Jupiter, gives me Mars in 12, Moon with Ketu > greatly darkened by Saturn, Sun conjoining a serious malefic, and not in > angle or trine, and in Kumba in Navamsa, a first class Maraka is in first, > Saturn exactly 9th (blocking fortune) for Venus, Rahu in 5th, Ketu with the > Moon... I am literally saved by Jupiter alone. > > I have noticed that those who have a VERY strong Sun are nearly impossible > to bring down. They always find power again. Those with seriously well > placed Mars always have physical strength, which alone wards off "down". > > I have noticed that the fact is, that STRUGGLE AGAINST NEGATIVE FORCES in > the chart is the ONLY way to make progress for those thus challenged. > > Despite whatever one might think of me, and how I might look, I have to > struggle to have life force. The placements in my chart keep it constantly > slipping away. As a child I was weaker, less able to play, less able to fe el > any joy. I was always sad. My only solace was "higher knowledge", and I > always did good in school, and the teachers, the Gurus, always loved me very > much. This has kept me going. It's still the way. > > For life force, I have to STRUGGLE to get it. I have to jog. I have taken to > wearing mostly red. I have to battle the darkness. > > Saturn sits on my midheaven exactly, and is exactly 9th from my Venus, and > disposits my Moon in rasi/navamsa/others, and Ketu is key in my chart. The > tendency for the life force to slip away into oblivian and the darkness of > death is very strong. I have to struggle against this. This is the > prescription. Anyone who is sensible in astrology would recommend to me > either > > pacify saturn so he'll let up > or fight against him so as to survive > > It's one or the other. But Saturn has got to be a focus, because he's > bearing down. From age 25 to 45 he rules by dasha, transits all my planets, > and he holds the moon. Has it been hard? Very. > > Some think I look good and am somewhat famous. Great. It's all been born of > tremendous struggle. I come from poverty, oppression, depression and > ancestral pain, grew up around sick and depressed parents, couldn't finish > college, couldn't avoid heavy drug use. What good I have is born of > struggling with the Holy Name of Krishna on my lips and mind constantly. > That's it. In 93 in depression I started this business, and through constant > depression have I struggled and built the software. > > Only in struggling and praying can some of us make any progress. > > There are some things I recommend as well as prayer: MINERAL supplements, > to increase the electricity in the body; Body work which involves life > force increase, such as electrical input through feet, electrical baths > (yes, such devices exist and really help!), massage, to increase movement in > the flesh, as movement is anti-death; Vibrational things such as massage > chairs and such devices; All types of dietary supplements, as FOOD is the > source of energy; Excercise, yes yes, you must get heart and all things > working strongly as possible. > > To do these things for many is monetarily impossible, so they go down and > die. Try preaching these things to poor Indians on a reservation. They have > no money, no access. Struggle! Excercise, cooking, massage each other, > struggle against the death! > > I spent time with a group of Los Angeles woman models. I did their charts, > hovered in their realm for a few days (no, I got no sex, no touching, mind > away from that please). They had expensive places, expensive cars, rich > boyfriends, movie star boyfriends, big business boyfriends, they give sex > for thousands of dollars to the rich and famous, they date the totally > famous, they work at the playboy mansion. Yes, these were woman IN the > groove of Hollywood completely, and quite a group of them, friends, passed > me around for a few days. During that time, I was always crying, it didn't > help me, it made things worse. But I watched them, studied them. > > They have optimism, because of the connections, the wealth, the cars, the > weather, the stars, the chances/opportunities. Their minds think always > "Something good is about to happen". They have everything, and live in > pleasure. But they weren't really happy. Not more than average people > really. They just had a whole bunch of good stuff, but they didn't have > clarity. They have high levels of illusion, lust, hope, desire, which ward > off appreciating what they do have already. > > They have NOTHING to say about the countless without. They cannot even go to > those thoughts in their minds. They feel that they are lucky, and they just > say "Too bad" for everyone else. Period. > > In a previous life I think I was a defender of Druids. I remember. We lost. > It hurt. > > In a later life I lived on the Skellig Isles, barren rock monasteries off > the Coast of Ireland, praying for the suffering masses of Ireland, trying to > help, in the wake of their genocide and oppression. > > I cannot forget the many who suffer totally on Earth. There are many today, > who don't have food, shelter, who live in war zones, who suffer constantly > much more than any of us who have computers and time for email, money for an > internet connection. They have charts too. They are part of our discussion, > if we are to know the truth. > > In New York "all was well" til the airplanes hit. For a time, New York knew > what is war and pain. It came of a sudden. It can happen again. This is life > too. > > Struggle, Prayer, Taking Steps against the oppressive elements of nature and > life, these things must be done. > > When the British pushed the Irish off the land, onto the Western rocky land, > under threat of "Migrate or be knifed by sword", they gave them nothing. > They just said "Leave". It was a "Trail of Tears" for millions of people. > Woman died of starvation. Their babies, crawling away from the dead mother > in the ditch by the road, were snatched by wolves while living. This was > seen, alot. Somalia, same thing. Starvation and Genocide have occured many > times. These people all had charts. They were all real. Their pain was > immense. It is happening today in Africa and other places. It is real. It > could happen anywhere actually. Our Western countries are fragile in their > support systems due to modernization. Food is mechanized and not localized. > It could be broken off. > > Only facing the fact that life is hard, struggling to improve it, struggling > to survive, doing the needful, praying... only these things are real and > make sense. Those with money, friends, enjoyment, pleasures, and so on, are > in the less, and if they are flying in that good space, enjoying, they will > eventually know the opposite, usually, and will need then to hear all these > things. > > I cannot see how an astrologer could be well trained and not know all these > things. I do however see that there is every kind of thing, including every > kind of astrologer, and some are trying to promote the happiness factor, > against what I consider to be the truth of life. > > Those who are down and suffering: GET UP AND STRUGGLE. This is my advice. > Continue to fight on, fight for strenght, will to live, take nutrition, take > excercise, get sunlight, breathe, say strong prayers, shake it off as best > as possible. Those who are dieing, I say, pray, focus on spirit, don't break > for mental anquish, focus on spirit. > > It's about life force. We must struggle to have it. Always. Those blessed > with it, they are fortunate. Those who are not so blessed are in the > majority it seems. > > Peace to all my brothers and sisters, and strength to you as well, share the > power, encourage the strength, we must go on, "we're all we got, so on we > go". > > brother rick > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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