obesity.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Mu, I hope you're doing well.

Got a question fer ya: Remember how so many cultures thought that someone who

was able to hold a lot of weight was wealthy, because everyone else was soooo

thin? I'd like you to work up an astrological theory on that one. I want you to

take a look at this weight thing from the other side of the coin. Would you

please? imagine everyone in the cultue is terrible thin--all that hard work

and food is hard to produce. Now think as an astrolger from that culture..how

sdo yo explain al lthis thinness..and living on a thinn line of existence and

then do yo stilllook at the stout people as..uh, unhealthy? or just very lucky

or what? Can you do a fluip here, on what yo were saying about Oprah and

her-unhealthy- weight? You're certainly creative enough to come up with the

angles on this one..I think it would be interesting, anyway.

Do you feel its totally the same: heavy weight + weatlh? I mean, Jupiter is

associated with wealth, right? And you're saying weight too? I think David

Frawley may has written that the Moon influenced weight too--did I read him

writing, to avoid wearing stones associated with the Moon if the person was

overweight? And that Jupiter..well, it dealt with good, robust health, rather

than him saying that it dealt with ovbesity. (Any one here got his books handy

on this?)

Now saying that, I have a few others things to say. Well, I'm clueless on

Oprah's weight problem. I can tell you some other reasons though on why people

weigh a lot. Also: the people in Scandanavia are capable as a population of

really putting on weight, too. I read the stat somewhere or other about it.

Sumo wrestlers are quite large--one of the largest being an American wrestler

from..is it Hawaii or American Samoa?Now this last thing, I'm not sure if it's

accurate or not..is there a kingdom more like a queendom--it was matrilineal--

south of Egypt that wanted the Queens to look like powerful elephants..big and

heavy as a sign of their power?

Okay some of the contributing factors for the excess weight: well, first of all,

there's formula given to babies--and Oprah was born about the time that mothers

were being told formula would be better for the babies and the mothers than

mother's milk. But being black in Mississippi in 1955 reduces the chances that

she was a bottle baby. It's dopubtful blacks in Mississippi had the money to

buy formula or the contacts with the mainstream of trendy America of the 1950s.

Let's also face the fact, hardly any of us eat what we did 200 years ago, before

food was really processed much. So there's a lot less fiber in it now--and a lot

more fiberless--and therefore higher caloric value food going into us. With

nothing to make us feel filled up so we'll stop eating when we should.

Also 200 years ago, we all did so much WORK just to stay alive--and ate game,

when we could get it, or fished, both of which are leaner than domestic animals

for eating. And now we have a higher concentration--in general--vegetarians

exempt--a higher concentration of animal protein in our diets now..Been that

way for about 100 years. It made us all gain about 4-6 inches in heighth on the

growth charts than our 19th centruy counter parts, too. And the Powers That Be

in dietary information told us all that high, concentrated, animal protein was

the best thing for us. Until the 1960s, only small pockets of people thought

otherwise, right?

Shoot, maybe she just has a highly developed sense of taste, and God, it all tastes so good!

But then, there's the possibility of a genetic thing, too.

And the sex-linked thing of women putting on bellies after having children. (I

can testify esp to putting it on after the second one at an advance age!)

And one's metabolism slowing down at middle age.

So there are a lot of variables..Most of which all happen.

How can we expect anyone NOT to gain weight on what is a typical western diet?

Geez, we eat all this high calorie stuff, and a whole lot more fat in food than

anyone dreamt of 300 years ago. Nature made us to stuff ourselves--preferrably

on high fiber stuff with no oil--unless it's still stuck in the nut, or melted

directly out of the seal as the Haida and other Northwestern Indians were/are

fond of doing for example. If we were still eating that way, we didnt't get

very fat, unless we had a thyroid problem or something! i mean, in all honesty,

Nature didn't set it up so we had to watch our weight. We were able to stuff

and gorge ourselves on the right stuff..if we could hold still long enough to

succeed at it, back in the good old days of farm work, eating in season and no

ice boxes! <LOL>

Do you sorta see my point in this? I'm saying how can you pick out Jupiter and

two nodes and say someone is gonna be fat--there are so many p[hysical causes

for it, Mu. Rahu is about illusion---often in the form of g-l-a-m-o-u-r and

guile and illusion, not repulsion. Okay, you said Rahu in the second--not the

first. First would give beauty and unusual allure in some cases--like what

movie actors project.

But do you see? I'm saying there are tons of varibles and factors on the

physical plane that make us portly....Lemmee guess..you're bean pole? I usedta

be..back in the ol' macrobiotic days..I'm convinced that's why my Crohn's isn't

any worse than it is..I haven't had to be hospitalized yet with it. SAnd the

average for Crohn's hospitalizations is 6 times a year. Also at the U of Iowa

a study was done involving feeding people microscopic intestinal parasite

eggs--the Crohn's and other IBD's went away with the parasites inhabited a

human body! (Okay, so maybe my dog's accidentally gave me a real present!

That theory too, would explain the many years of near total remission! <LOL>)

Come to think of it, having tapeworms in one's body also makes us fat--puts your

nutrients out o whack, since the worm gets first dibs in your gut, so you get

fat. Victorian women were notorious for swallowing them to change their shape.

Not as drastic as having a lower rib removed. Another of their pastimes to get

the merry widow corset to fit better!

Highest regards & namaste,

Denise

Your Friendly Neighborhood Amateur Ethnobotanist

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave NamahDear Denis,

 

Weight and overweight has been looked on differently in Jyotish. The basic

structure is decided from the Lagna and if the people of scandinavia have a

tendency to being heavy, thena Jupiter or strong Moon would add to it, but the

native will never look bad. Jupiter will give a huge frame to carry the weight

while the Moon may indicate a watery soft body. Here the weight is not much but

the body may look obese.

 

The real weight related problem or obesity comes from gene related problems.

There is one specific combination for obesity: Mercury (of all the planets! can

you believe, but it works fine) if placed in the second house from Lagna, lagna

lord or AL and afflicted by malefic planets causes terrible obesity. Here is

the chart of a person who is terribly overweight ad has spent his whole life

trying to curtail his weight problems that have also caused chronic depression,

some addiction, diabetis etc. The second house from Lagna lord venus has Mercury

in it in Leo afflicted by the Sun (inherited from father). This combination also

aspect the second house from AL in Capricorn. His father even built a huge

naturopathy center for him which he visits and it has many doctors, nurses etc.

This guy owns a big industrial house in India which includes all kinds of

businesses including an airlines service. Nothing has worked. I tried nilam and

he has lost some weight, but I doubt if he can be ever cured as Mercury causing

the problem is in badhak house with badhak lord in a fixed sign in Rasi and

Navamsa i.e. the badhak cannot be removed.Natal Chart August 31,

1966Time: 10:40:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 74 E

54' 00"Latitude: 30 N 35' 00"Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Year:

ParabhavaLunar Month: Nija SravanaTithi: Krishna Pratipat (81.32%

left)Weekday: WednesdayNakshatra: Sata (28.39% left)Yoga:

SukarmanKarana: BalavaHora Lord: Mars Sunrise: 6:08:33Sunset:

18:52:17Janma Ghatis: 11.3107 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada

Rasi Navamsa Lagna 12 Li 10' 04.89" Swat 2 Li CpSun - BK

13 Le 58' 24.42" PPha 1 Le LeMoon - AmK 16 Aq 12' 55.17"

Sata 3 Aq AqMars - MK 10 Cn 10' 26.69" Push 3 Cn

LiMercury - PK 4 Le 14' 58.69" Makh 2 Le TaJupiter - DK 1

Cn 53' 01.31" Puna 4 Cn CnVenus - AK 25 Cn 49' 01.94" Asre

3 Cn AqSaturn ® - PiK 4 Pi 19' 51.12" UBha 1 Pi LeRahu - GK

26 Ar 26' 01.64" Bhar 4 Ar ScKetu 26 Li 26' 01.64"

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Hope this is of interest and adds to your studies.At the feet of Guru Pandita

Kasinatha,I remain,Sanjay RathMail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1,

New Delhi 110091, IndiaTel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages:

http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com

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Denise Notley

gjlist

Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:34 AM

[GJ] Re: obesity.

Hi, Mu, I hope you're doing well.Got a question fer ya: Remember how so many

cultures thought that someone who was able to hold a lot of weight was wealthy,

because everyone else was soooo thin? I'd like you to work up an astrological

theory on that one. I want you to take a look at this weight thing from the

other side of the coin. Would you please? imagine everyone in the cultue is

terrible thin--all that hard work and food is hard to produce. Now think as an

astrolger from that culture..how sdo yo explain al lthis thinness..and living

on a thinn line of existence and then do yo stilllook at the stout people

as..uh, unhealthy? or just very lucky or what? Can you do a fluip here, on what

yo were saying about Oprah and her-unhealthy- weight? You're certainly creative

enough to come up with the angles on this one..I think it would be interesting,

anyway.Do you feel its totally the same: heavy weight + weatlh? I mean,

Jupiter is associated with wealth, right? And you're saying weight too? I

think David Frawley may has written that the Moon influenced weight too--did I

read him writing, to avoid wearing stones associated with the Moon if the

person was overweight? And that Jupiter..well, it dealt with good, robust

health, rather than him saying that it dealt with ovbesity. (Any one here got

his books handy on this?)Now saying that, I have a few others things to say.

Well, I'm clueless on Oprah's weight problem. I can tell you some other

reasons though on why people weigh a lot. Also: the people in Scandanavia are

capable as a population of really putting on weight, too. I read the stat

somewhere or other about it. Sumo wrestlers are quite large--one of the largest

being an American wrestler from..is it Hawaii or American Samoa?Now this last

thing, I'm not sure if it's accurate or not..is there a kingdom more like a

queendom--it was matrilineal-- south of Egypt that wanted the Queens to look

like powerful elephants..big and heavy as a sign of their power?Okay some of

the contributing factors for the excess weight: well, first of all, there's

formula given to babies--and Oprah was born about the time that mothers were

being told formula would be better for the babies and the mothers than mother's

milk. But being black in Mississippi in 1955 reduces the chances that she was a

bottle baby. It's dopubtful blacks in Mississippi had the money to buy formula

or the contacts with the mainstream of trendy America of the 1950s.Let's also

face the fact, hardly any of us eat what we did 200 years ago, before food was

really processed much. So there's a lot less fiber in it now--and a lot more

fiberless--and therefore higher caloric value food going into us. With nothing

to make us feel filled up so we'll stop eating when we should.Also 200 years

ago, we all did so much WORK just to stay alive--and ate game, when we could

get it, or fished, both of which are leaner than domestic animals for eating.

And now we have a higher concentration--in general--vegetarians exempt--a

higher concentration of animal protein in our diets now..Been that way for

about 100 years. It made us all gain about 4-6 inches in heighth on the growth

charts than our 19th centruy counter parts, too. And the Powers That Be in

dietary information told us all that high, concentrated, animal protein was the

best thing for us. Until the 1960s, only small pockets of people thought

otherwise, right?Shoot, maybe she just has a highly developed sense of taste,

and God, it all tastes so good!But then, there's the possibility of a genetic

thing, too. And the sex-linked thing of women putting on bellies after having

children. (I can testify esp to putting it on after the second one at an

advance age!)And one's metabolism slowing down at middle age.So there are a lot

of variables..Most of which all happen. How can we expect anyone NOT to gain

weight on what is a typical western diet? Geez, we eat all this high calorie

stuff, and a whole lot more fat in food than anyone dreamt of 300 years ago.

Nature made us to stuff ourselves--preferrably on high fiber stuff with no

oil--unless it's still stuck in the nut, or melted directly out of the seal as

the Haida and other Northwestern Indians were/are fond of doing for example. If

we were still eating that way, we didnt't get very fat, unless we had a thyroid

problem or something! i mean, in all honesty, Nature didn't set it up so we

had to watch our weight. We were able to stuff and gorge ourselves on the right

stuff..if we could hold still long enough to succeed at it, back in the good old

days of farm work, eating in season and no ice boxes! <LOL>Do you sorta see my

point in this? I'm saying how can you pick out Jupiter and two nodes and say

someone is gonna be fat--there are so many p[hysical causes for it, Mu. Rahu is

about illusion---often in the form of g-l-a-m-o-u-r and guile and illusion, not

repulsion. Okay, you said Rahu in the second--not the first. First would give

beauty and unusual allure in some cases--like what movie actors project.But do

you see? I'm saying there are tons of varibles and factors on the physical plane

that make us portly....Lemmee guess..you're bean pole? I usedta be..back in the

ol' macrobiotic days..I'm convinced that's why my Crohn's isn't any worse than

it is..I haven't had to be hospitalized yet with it. SAnd the average for

Crohn's hospitalizations is 6 times a year. Also at the U of Iowa a study was

done involving feeding people microscopic intestinal parasite eggs--the

Crohn's and other IBD's went away with the parasites inhabited a human body!

(Okay, so maybe my dog's accidentally gave me a real present! That theory

too, would explain the many years of near total remission! <LOL>)Come to think

of it, having tapeworms in one's body also makes us fat--puts your nutrients

out o whack, since the worm gets first dibs in your gut, so you get fat.

Victorian women were notorious for swallowing them to change their shape. Not

as drastic as having a lower rib removed. Another of their pastimes to get the

merry widow corset to fit better!Highest regards & namaste,Denise Your Friendly

Neighborhood Amateur EthnobotanistOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om

Tat Sat:

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[Guest guest]

Om Namo Narayanaya,

Dear Denise,

See Budha for overweight. It is neecha in Guru Sign, so he may terribly

spoil the flaw of Rasas ruled by Guru.. Atmakaraka in Budha sign (Virgo)

will give overweight.. See Parashara..Watery rashis give bulky body too.

Best wishes

Zoran

Denise Notley wrote:

 

Hi, Mu, I hope you're doing well.

Got a question fer ya: Remember how so many cultures thought that someone

who was able to hold a lot of weight was wealthy, because everyone else

was soooo thin? I'd like you to work up an astrological theory on that

one. I want you to take a look at this weight thing from the other side

of the coin. Would you please? imagine everyone in the cultue is

terrible thin--all that hard work and food is hard to produce. Now think

as an astrolger from that culture..how sdo yo explain al lthis thinness..and

living on a thinn line of existence and then do yo stilllook at the stout

people as..uh, unhealthy? or just very lucky or what? Can you do a fluip

here, on what yo were saying about Oprah and her-unhealthy- weight? You're

certainly creative enough to come up with the angles on this one..I think

it would be interesting, anyway.

Do you feel its totally the same: heavy weight + weatlh?

I mean, Jupiter is associated with wealth, right? And you're saying weight

too? I think David Frawley may has written that the Moon influenced

weight too--did I read him writing, to avoid wearing stones associated

with the Moon if the person was overweight? And that Jupiter..well, it

dealt with good, robust health, rather than him saying that it dealt with

ovbesity. (Any one here got his books handy on this?)

Now saying that, I have a few others things to say. Well, I'm clueless

on Oprah's weight problem. I can tell you some other reasons though

on why people weigh a lot. Also: the people in Scandanavia are capable

as a population of really putting on weight, too. I read the stat somewhere

or other about it. Sumo wrestlers are quite large--one of the largest being

an American wrestler from..is it Hawaii or American Samoa?Now this last

thing, I'm not sure if it's accurate or not..is there a kingdom more like

a queendom--it was matrilineal-- south of Egypt that wanted the Queens

to look like powerful elephants..big and heavy as a sign of their power?

Okay some of the contributing factors for the excess weight: well, first

of all, there's formula given to babies--and Oprah was born about the time

that mothers were being told formula would be better for the babies and

the mothers than mother's milk. But being black in Mississippi in 1955

reduces the chances that she was a bottle baby. It's dopubtful blacks in

Mississippi had the money to buy formula or the contacts with the mainstream

of trendy America of the 1950s.

Let's also face the fact, hardly any of us eat what we did 200 years

ago, before food was really processed much. So there's a lot less fiber

in it now--and a lot more fiberless--and therefore higher caloric

value food going into us. With nothing to make us feel filled up so we'll

stop eating when we should.

Also 200 years ago, we all did so much WORK just to stay alive--and

ate game, when we could get it, or fished, both of which are leaner than

domestic animals for eating. And now we have a higher concentration--in

general--vegetarians exempt--a higher concentration of animal protein in

our diets now..Been that way for about 100 years. It made us all gain about

4-6 inches in heighth on the growth charts than our 19th centruy counter

parts, too. And the Powers That Be in dietary information told us all that

high, concentrated, animal protein was the best thing for us. Until the

1960s, only small pockets of people thought otherwise, right?

Shoot, maybe she just has a highly developed sense of taste, and God,

it all tastes so good!

But then, there's the possibility of a genetic thing, too.

And the sex-linked thing of women putting on bellies after having children.

(I can testify esp to putting it on after the second one at an advance

age!)

And one's metabolism slowing down at middle age.

So there are a lot of variables..Most of which all happen.

How can we expect anyone NOT to gain weight on what is a typical western

diet? Geez, we eat all this high calorie stuff, and a whole lot more fat

in food than anyone dreamt of 300 years ago. Nature made us to stuff ourselves--preferrably

on high fiber stuff with no oil--unless it's still stuck in the nut, or

melted directly out of the seal as the Haida and other Northwestern Indians

were/are fond of doing for example. If we were still eating that way, we

didnt't get very fat, unless we had a thyroid problem or something! i mean,

in all honesty, Nature didn't set it up so we had to watch our weight.

We were able to stuff and gorge ourselves on the right stuff..if we could

hold still long enough to succeed at it, back in the good old days of farm

work, eating in season and no ice boxes! <LOL>

Do you sorta see my point in this? I'm saying how can you pick out Jupiter

and two nodes and say someone is gonna be fat--there are so many p[hysical

causes for it, Mu. Rahu is about illusion---often in the form of g-l-a-m-o-u-r

and guile and illusion, not repulsion. Okay, you said Rahu in the

second--not the first. First would give beauty and unusual allure

in some cases--like what movie actors project.

But do you see? I'm saying there are tons of varibles and factors on

the physical plane that make us portly....Lemmee guess..you're bean pole?

I usedta be..back in the ol' macrobiotic days..I'm convinced that's why

my Crohn's isn't any worse than it is..I haven't had to be hospitalized

yet with it. SAnd the average for Crohn's hospitalizations is 6 times a

year. Also at the U of Iowa a study was done involving feeding

people microscopic intestinal parasite eggs--the Crohn's and other IBD's

went away with the parasites inhabited a human body! (Okay, so maybe my

dog's accidentally gave me a real present! That theory

too, would explain the many years of near total remission! <LOL>)

Come to think of it, having tapeworms in one's body also makes us fat--puts

your nutrients out o whack, since the worm gets first dibs in your gut,

so you get fat. Victorian women were notorious for swallowing them to change

their shape. Not as drastic as having a lower rib removed. Another of their

pastimes to get the merry widow corset to fit better!

Highest regards & namaste,

Denise

Your Friendly Neighborhood Amateur Ethnobotanist

 

 

 

 

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