Space SHip Crash

[Guest guest]

Dear brothers and sisters

 

I am sorry to hear the death of seven astronauts in the Spaceship crash.

 

I have also read many articles in various newspapers and web sites about this

unfortunate event. I also understand that USA is mourning over the death of

seven astrounats and so are many other countries. I have also noticed that

many countries are sending their sympathies and condolences to USA re the death

of seven unfortunate ones.

 

I have a question, which is not related to astrology at all. I have been

thinking over it again and again. So many accidents take place everyday. For

example, train derails and hundreds of people die, bus falls in the ditch,

tens of people die, even a plane crashes and all the people on board die. I

very humbly, with full of ignorance and without any prejudice would like to

ask, "Do all countries mourn for them the same way as they are morning now ? "

If not, then why are we treating the death of astronauts on a different level

than others ?

 

I would be grateful if anybody could enlighten me on this and help me to think

constructively and lead me to the right direction of thought.

 

With regards

 

RG

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravinder,

 

It is becasue of the degree and/or level of emotional attachment of the

people to the particular incident takes place around mankind makes them feel

sorrowful or joyful to the nature of an event.

 

Best wishes.......... Amar Puri.

 

 

 

 

 

 

>Ravinder Grover <astrology

>gjlist

>hanskpvedic

>CC: satva, gjlist

>[GJ] Space SHip Crash

>Mon, 03 Feb 2003 09:25:32 +1300

>

>Dear brothers and sisters

>

>I am sorry to hear the death of seven astronauts in the Spaceship crash.

>

>I have also read many articles in various newspapers and web sites about

>this unfortunate event. I also understand that USA is mourning over the

>death of seven astrounats and so are many other countries. I have also

>noticed that many countries are sending their sympathies and condolences

>to USA re the death of seven unfortunate ones.

>

>I have a question, which is not related to astrology at all. I have been

>thinking over it again and again. So many accidents take place everyday.

>For example, train derails and hundreds of people die, bus falls in the

>ditch, tens of people die, even a plane crashes and all the people on

>board die. I very humbly, with full of ignorance and without any prejudice

>would like to ask, "Do all countries mourn for them the same way as they

>are morning now ? " If not, then why are we treating the death of

>astronauts on a different level than others ?

>

>I would be grateful if anybody could enlighten me on this and help me to

>think constructively and lead me to the right direction of thought.

>

>With regards

>

>RG

 

 

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[Guest guest]

The reason the deaths of astronauts, or cosmonauts or even, in some cases

heads of state, scientists and prominent citizens

are treated differently, and more internationally is not for themselves, it

is what they stand for.

 

Astronauts are the embodyment of the principle of exploration and reaching

beyond the basis of human endeavour into an area

of exploration most will never know or would be afraid to try. As

they succeed, they provide for all of those about a vicarious

sense of exploration and so, people and governments identify with

them.

 

For example, many people, both from India and the world, identified with

people like Ghandi and Mother Theresa. Their demise

in many ways diminished us all because it took from us an objective

realization that we CAN achieve things beyond the level of

existance and that one person, or a small group of persons can make a

difference in a positive way. (Asuming they wish to pay

the "cost of admission", which most will not or could not.)

 

Even governments, in their ponderous and plodding ways, can acknowledge

this phenomenon.

 

And, unlike the hundreds that die in a flood, landslide or earthquake,

these people have a face that people can identify with.

 

People cannot imagine 100 people dead in a natural disaster. Or the

thousands dead in the collapse of a building. Or what

the result of what a battlefield or crashed air liner looks like, in

reality, because the horror of it would be too painful. None of

these

events have "faces" attached to them.

 

Namaste'

John*********** REPLY SEPARATOR

***********On 2/3/03 at 9:25 AM Ravinder Grover wrote:

Dear brothers and sisters

 

I am sorry to hear the death

of seven astronauts in the Spaceship crash.

 

I have also read many articles in

various newspapers and web sites about this unfortunate event. I

also understand that USA is mourning over the death of seven astrounats and so

are many other countries. I have also noticed that

many countries are sending their sympathies and condolences to USA re the

death of seven unfortunate ones.

 

I have a question, which is not

related to astrology at all. I have been thinking over it again and

again. So many accidents take place everyday. For example, train

derails and hundreds of people die, bus falls in the ditch, tens of

people die, even a plane crashes and all the people on board die.

I very humbly, with full of ignorance and without any prejudice

would like to ask, "Do all countries mourn for them the same way as they are

morning now ? " If not, then why are we treating the death of

astronauts on a different level than others ?

 

I would be grateful if anybody

could enlighten me on this and help me to think constructively and lead me to

the right direction of thought.

 

With regards

 

RGOm

Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an

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Your responses are so rich I hesitate to ad my simple thought.

 

Astronauts competed for years, perhaps most of their lives to take the ride only

a few can or would even dare to take. The world watches as they work and then

return to the world. As they return they are vulnerable andheroic at once.

Anyone can stand on the ground and watch. With the image caught of the

explosion, perhaps we are reminded one and all of how fleeting life can be. At

once their bodies explode and go into the ethers.

 

I like the deity Bagya: The old bald fat man with few teeth. He has a huge grin

because Bagya knows that life is short and every aspect of it is to be enjoyed.

Perhaps it is not that the astronauts deaths are so important but that their

daring lives remind us of risks taken and in this case the drive for

exploration that is part of heightened human awareness.

Just musing. Neptune and Jupiter.

cynthia

-

John Melka

gjlist

Sunday, February 02, 2003 2:52 PM

Re: [GJ] Space SHip Crash

The reason the deaths of astronauts, or cosmonauts or even, in some cases heads

of state, scientists and prominent citizens

are treated differently, and more internationally is not for themselves, it is what they stand for.

 

Astronauts are the embodyment of the principle of exploration and reaching

beyond the basis of human endeavour into an area

of exploration most will never know or would be afraid to try. As they succeed,

they provide for all of those about a vicarious

sense of exploration and so, people and governments identify with them.

 

For example, many people, both from India and the world, identified with people

like Ghandi and Mother Theresa. Their demise

in many ways diminished us all because it took from us an objective realization

that we CAN achieve things beyond the level of

existance and that one person, or a small group of persons can make a difference

in a positive way. (Asuming they wish to pay

the "cost of admission", which most will not or could not.)

 

Even governments, in their ponderous and plodding ways, can acknowledge this phenomenon.

 

And, unlike the hundreds that die in a flood, landslide or earthquake, these

people have a face that people can identify with.

 

People cannot imagine 100 people dead in a natural disaster. Or the thousands

dead in the collapse of a building. Or what

the result of what a battlefield or crashed air liner looks like, in reality,

because the horror of it would be too painful. None of these

events have "faces" attached to them.

 

Namaste'

John*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********On 2/3/03 at 9:25 AM Ravinder Grover wrote:

Dear brothers and sisters

 

I am sorry to hear the death of seven astronauts in the Spaceship crash.

 

I have also read many articles in various newspapers and web sites about this

unfortunate event. I also understand that USA is mourning over the death of

seven astrounats and so are many other countries. I have also noticed that

many countries are sending their sympathies and condolences to USA re the death

of seven unfortunate ones.

 

I have a question, which is not related to astrology at all. I have been

thinking over it again and again. So many accidents take place everyday. For

example, train derails and hundreds of people die, bus falls in the ditch,

tens of people die, even a plane crashes and all the people on board die. I

very humbly, with full of ignorance and without any prejudice would like to

ask, "Do all countries mourn for them the same way as they are morning now ? "

If not, then why are we treating the death of astronauts on a different level

than others ?

 

I would be grateful if anybody could enlighten me on this and help me to think

constructively and lead me to the right direction of thought.

 

With regards

 

RGOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an

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Cynthia and all,

 

Thank you for your kind words.

 

I have to wonder if, when you have looked out into the universe, from a

perspective that few ever reach.

And doing this was what you had always wanted to in life. That, even

if you died in the process,

you might die feeling that you were fulfilled.

 

Most people will not have that joy. Mike Straczyinski, the

Author/Producer of Babylon 5 (which I recommend to

any student of Indian or Vedic philosophy) summed it up in the mouth of

Londo Molari, the Centauri Ambassador, talking

about his father.

 

The old man was muttering as he died, and Londo tells of how he leaned over

to hear what the old

man was saying. And, after a bit, he realized it was "My Shoes are

Too Tight." When he thought about it, he realized that

the old man was so tied by duty, that he never danced. Hence his

shoes were too tight, or his life too small. Way to many of us

only learn that our "shoes are too tight" at the end of our life.

Some of us, like astronauts, never bother with shoes

 

Namaste'

John*********** REPLY SEPARATOR

***********On 2/2/03 at 4:48 PM cynthianovak wrote:

Your responses are so rich I hesitate to ad my simple

thought.

 

Astronauts competed for years, perhaps most of their lives

to take the ride only a few can or would even dare to take. The world

watches as they work and then return to the world. As they return they

are vulnerable andheroic at once. Anyone can stand on the ground and

watch. With the image caught of the explosion, perhaps we are reminded

one and all of how fleeting life can be. At once their bodies explode

and go into the ethers.

 

I like the deity Bagya: The old bald fat man with few

teeth. He has a huge grin because Bagya knows that life is short and

every aspect of it is to be enjoyed. Perhaps it is not that the

astronauts deaths are so important but that their daring lives remind us of

risks taken and in this case the drive for exploration that is part of

heightened human awareness.

Just musing. Neptune and Jupiter.

cynthia

[Guest guest]

Dear John

Thank you, I'll remember that. I'm sorry to say I never watched Babylon 5.

I'll change that.

 

While doing dishes this evening I mentioned this thread to DL, my science minded sweetie.

 

He said that this explosion reminds us that we [science] are not as good as we think we are.

A humbling thought he shared among others that were more akin to those already voiced here.

 

thoughtfully with Saturn stationing on my Mars

c

-

John Melka

gjlist

Sunday, February 02, 2003 6:18 PM

Re: [GJ] Space SHip Crash

Cynthia and all,

 

Thank you for your kind words.

 

I have to wonder if, when you have looked out into the universe, from a

perspective that few ever reach.

And doing this was what you had always wanted to in life. That, even if you died

in the process,

you might die feeling that you were fulfilled.

 

Most people will not have that joy. Mike Straczyinski, the Author/Producer of

Babylon 5 (which I recommend to

any student of Indian or Vedic philosophy) summed it up in the mouth of Londo

Molari, the Centauri Ambassador, talking

about his father.

 

The old man was muttering as he died, and Londo tells of how he leaned over to hear what the old

man was saying. And, after a bit, he realized it was "My Shoes are Too Tight."

When he thought about it, he realized that

the old man was so tied by duty, that he never danced. Hence his shoes were too

tight, or his life too small. Way to many of us

only learn that our "shoes are too tight" at the end of our life. Some of us,

like astronauts, never bother with shoes

 

Namaste'

John*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********On 2/2/03 at 4:48 PM cynthianovak wrote:

Your responses are so rich I hesitate to ad my simple thought.

 

Astronauts competed for years, perhaps most of their lives to take the ride only

a few can or would even dare to take. The world watches as they work and then

return to the world. As they return they are vulnerable andheroic at once.

Anyone can stand on the ground and watch. With the image caught of the

explosion, perhaps we are reminded one and all of how fleeting life can be. At

once their bodies explode and go into the ethers.

 

I like the deity Bagya: The old bald fat man with few teeth. He has a huge grin

because Bagya knows that life is short and every aspect of it is to be enjoyed.

Perhaps it is not that the astronauts deaths are so important but that their

daring lives remind us of risks taken and in this case the drive for

exploration that is part of heightened human awareness.

Just musing. Neptune and Jupiter.

cynthiaOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo ,

send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use

of is subject to the