Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 Anna and Gisela, Just a question on TPs. As a follower of Houck, I use them and fully appreciate the power of the stations, I'd be interested to know your opinions on the role of the planet concerned with likely events. Mercury can signal breakthoughs and can be both favourable and unfavourable. Natural benefics are usually favourable in their manifestations. But what of Saturn stations, and Neptune stations? I would think there are situations where these two natural malefics could bring advances in their areas of life, but I would think that most of the time their stations bring problems. Also, any distinction between the direct or retrograde station. I recently had a client who got a big job the same month as a Mercury *retrograde* station. Mercury was in the natal 10th house. Anyhow, I'd be interested in your views on this. Chris - jb gjlist Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:39 AM RE: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Gisela, Congratulations! And thanks for your explanation. Yes TP work great- just let me add to your remark re mercury- related to two and in fact all three events, as Maddalena you quote noticed. Mercury activity as per my experience, in TP is like a flag-something is going to happen- find out what /You don’t need to look at any specifics, like house rulership, for Mercury-something will happen when he changes direction-and he’s most active- sure unless at the same time M. enters ‘heavier contacts’ configuration/ And Mars stationary- so ominous, as you mentioned. I would note that far in advance I deliberately don’t use western techniques now- want to find out what I can do with jyotish only. And I miss old good TP, sometime. Like now when I see what you wrote. Good luck, Gisela! Anna GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com [GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com] Saturday, March 01, 2003 3:18 AMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Maddalena, dear Nicholas, Thank you for your congratulations, funny thing that Dymock mentionned me when he gave the solution and forget me for the report ... Dymock always asks not to be lengthy in the reasonning, so it is not too clear for the last two dates, where the differences are not that big. Boths facts (snake bite and separation of her husband) seem to be mercury related, mercury was the last stationary planet in tertiary progressions in her 7th and it was stationnary again in january 2003.) Maddalena mentionned mercury on the sixth for the 3rd date. Next TP stationnary planet in her life will be mars, "planet of attack" as stated in another mail. No wonder, that she has to suffer from all sorts of attacks. But this does not help to make the difference between snake bite and husband's leaving. I always admire your clear and logical presentation, Maddalena!!!! Love and light Gisela Best wishes Gisela .... www.gisel.de Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Chris, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I do not make my living by doing astrology, keep it’s ‘noble status in my life’/ha, ha/- to help people and enjoy pure knowledge. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have more time at the moment to study jyotish and I am focused strictly on that-I deliberately abstain from using ANYTHING from western astrology arsenal, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">But my position on this issue 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Is THAT BOTH westen and jyoutish CAN BE USED AS LONG AS WE PRESERVE INTEGRITY OF EACH. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I write this because you shared your unbiased observation- 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Yes, with Saturn good things, career related can and do happen- 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I lost my huge data base /during my long practice as a psychologist, I would always cast the chart and follow up- yes would ask the client about TOB even- Ok, L. Green, as I know, does the same- she’s Jungian Psy, >smile</, and software as well. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">My experience supports yours: tab-stops:list .5in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ Natural benefics tend to be favourable /always, in fact/ but malefics are not necessarily malefics- Saturm has strong bearing o career, and it’s station coincides with CHANGE- not always worse. tab-stops:list .5in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ color:navy">Jyotish planetary significance is for Jyotish only, not to be applied with TP, MP, NOT even with Secondary /haven’t explored the later enough, but have that impression- again, Integrity of each system is to be maintained- if I see from Progressions that something is going to happen, I would perhaps have another look from Jyotish perspective- benefit would be that I can go directly to D10, or D12…to see how transits affect them, what’s happening there, strictly following Jyotish- Narasimha Rao wrote clear instruction on this, which I would follow- The role of P. than would be to reduce the scope, direct attebtion, and that of TIMING- If both confirm same thing- how can possibly one event fail to manifest? tab-stops:list .5in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ Although I cannot stand behind this at all, I’d rather see direct station, vs. retrograde, with Saturn and outers- giving positive results- but it’s my ‘distrust’ in retro- as in your example, and funny, I’ve seen that too. Outers tend to be malefic, but that seems to depend on their position in natal- WESTERN. Pluto in my chart is powerful and well integrated /it’s station always ‘brings’ something ‘tangibles’ Career-wise- money-wise/ tab-stops:list .5in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ I don’t trust Mercury when signification is concerned- but it’s PEFECT for TIMING- “red flag” sort of. For signification, I would search for more reliable ‘support’ to be present at the same time tab-stops:list .5in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ If color:navy">Neptune is not important in the chart and integrated- not much happens. If anything. I would like to hear about your experience I don’t know the reason why is Pluto, being farther away than Neptune color:navy">, more powerful. My guess is that it’s because Pluto tends to be ‘focused’ and ‘neptun’ difused. Don’t know. Chris, you know more about RH position on this- I haven’t explored that at all- but if you would share what you know about RH position on /each/ above mentioned observation, I would appreciate that. Anna 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Christopher Kevill [christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca] Tahoma">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Tahoma">3:03 PM gjlist Re: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Anna and Gisela, Just a question on TPs. As a follower of Houck, I use them and fully appreciate the power of the stations, I'd be interested to know your opinions on the role of the planet concerned with likely events. Mercury can signal breakthoughs and can be both favourable and unfavourable. Natural benefics are usually favourable in their manifestations. But what of Saturn stations, and Neptune stations? I would think there are situations where these two natural malefics could bring advances in their areas of life, but I would think that most of the time their stations bring problems. Also, any distinction between the direct or retrograde station. I recently had a client who got a big job the same month as a Mercury *retrograde* station. Mercury was in the natal 10th house. Anyhow, I'd be interested in your views on this. Chris margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - jb gjlist 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Arial">12:39 AM RE: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Gisela, Congratulations! And thanks for your explanation. Yes TP work great- just let me add to your remark re mercury- related to two and in fact all three events, as Maddalena you quote noticed. Mercury activity as per my experience, in TP is like a flag-something is going to happen- find out what /You don’t need to look at any specifics, like house rulership, for Mercury-something will happen when he changes direction-and he’s most active- sure unless at the same time M. enters ‘heavier contacts’ configuration/ And Mars stationary- so ominous, as you mentioned. I would note that far in advance I deliberately don’t use western techniques now- want to find out what I can do with jyotish only. And I miss old good TP, sometime. Like now when I see what you wrote. Good luck, Gisela! Anna GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com [GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Tahoma">3:18 AM gjlist Re: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Maddalena, dear Nicholas, Thank you for your congratulations, funny thing that Dymock mentionned me when he gave the solution and forget me for the report ... Dymock always asks not to be lengthy in the reasonning, so it is not too clear for the last two dates, where the differences are not that big. Boths facts (snake bite and separation of her husband) seem to be mercury related, mercury was the last stationary planet in tertiary progressions in her 7th and it was stationnary again in january 2003.) Maddalena mentionned mercury on the sixth for the 3rd date. Next TP stationnary planet in her life will be mars, "planet of attack" as stated in another mail. No wonder, that she has to suffer from all sorts of attacks. But this does not help to make the difference between snake bite and husband's leaving. I always admire your clear and logical presentation, Maddalena!!!! Love and light Gisela Best wishes Gisela ..... www.gisel.de font-family:"Courier New""> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to the 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"> font-family:"Courier New""> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release 2/24/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release 2/24/2003 font-family:"Courier New""> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I missed one point- 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">It’s good to research 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Some opine that if the planet is retro in natal, it’s retro transit, /progression, why not/, being in tune with it’s basic nature will manifest more positively than when it’s not. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Have you seen that? MeR should be tolerating better MeR transit, pr.? 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> jb [anmar (AT) attcanada (DOT) ca] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Tahoma">7:53 PM gjlist RE: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Dear Chris, I do not make my living by doing astrology, keep it’s ‘noble status in my life’/ha, ha/- to help people and enjoy pure knowledge. I have more time at the moment to study jyotish and I am focused strictly on that-I deliberately abstain from using ANYTHING from western astrology arsenal, But my position on this issue Is THAT BOTH westen and jyoutish CAN BE USED AS LONG AS WE PRESERVE INTEGRITY OF EACH. I write this because you shared your unbiased observation- Yes, with Saturn good things, career related can and do happen- I lost my huge data base /during my long practice as a psychologist, I would always cast the chart and follow up- yes would ask the client about TOB even- Ok, L. Green, as I know, does the same- she’s Jungian Psy, >smile</, and software as well. My experience supports yours: tab-stops:list 1.0in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ Natural benefics tend to be favourable /always, in fact/ but malefics are not necessarily malefics- Saturm has strong bearing o career, and it’s station coincides with CHANGE- not always worse. tab-stops:list 1.0in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ Jyotish planetary significance is for Jyotish only, not to be applied with TP, MP, NOT even with Secondary /haven’t explored the later enough, but have that impression- again, Integrity of each system is to be maintained- if I see from Progressions that something is going to happen, I would perhaps have another look from Jyotish perspective- benefit would be that I can go directly to D10, or D12…to see how transits affect them, what’s happening there, strictly following Jyotish- Narasimha Rao wrote clear instruction on this, which I would follow- The role of P. than would be to reduce the scope, direct attebtion, and that of TIMING- If both confirm same thing- how can possibly one event fail to manifest? tab-stops:list 1.0in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ Although I cannot stand behind this at all, I’d rather see direct station, vs. retrograde, with Saturn and outers- giving positive results- but it’s my ‘distrust’ in retro- as in your example, and funny, I’ve seen that too. Outers tend to be malefic, but that seems to depend on their position in natal- WESTERN. Pluto in my chart is powerful and well integrated /it’s station always ‘brings’ something ‘tangibles’ Career-wise- money-wise/ tab-stops:list 1.0in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ I don’t trust Mercury when signification is concerned- but it’s PEFECT for TIMING- “red flag” sort of. For signification, I would search for more reliable ‘support’ to be present at the same time tab-stops:list 1.0in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ If color:navy">Neptune is not important in the chart and integrated- not much happens. If anything. I would like to hear about your experience I don’t know the reason why is Pluto, being farther away than Neptune color:navy">, more powerful. My guess is that it’s because Pluto tends to be ‘focused’ and ‘neptun’ difused. Don’t know. Chris, you know more about RH position on this- I haven’t explored that at all- but if you would share what you know about RH position on /each/ above mentioned observation, I would appreciate that. Anna Christopher Kevill [christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Tahoma">3:03 PM gjlist Re: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Anna and Gisela, Just a question on TPs. As a follower of Houck, I use them and fully appreciate the power of the stations, I'd be interested to know your opinions on the role of the planet concerned with likely events. Mercury can signal breakthoughs and can be both favourable and unfavourable. Natural benefics are usually favourable in their manifestations. But what of Saturn stations, and Neptune stations? I would think there are situations where these two natural malefics could bring advances in their areas of life, but I would think that most of the time their stations bring problems. Also, any distinction between the direct or retrograde station. I recently had a client who got a big job the same month as a Mercury *retrograde* station. Mercury was in the natal 10th house. Anyhow, I'd be interested in your views on this. Chris margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - bold"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> jb gjlist 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Arial">12:39 AM RE: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Gisela, Congratulations! And thanks for your explanation. Yes TP work great- just let me add to your remark re mercury- related to two and in fact all three events, as Maddalena you quote noticed. Mercury activity as per my experience, in TP is like a flag-something is going to happen- find out what /You don’t need to look at any specifics, like house rulership, for Mercury-something will happen when he changes direction-and he’s most active- sure unless at the same time M. enters ‘heavier contacts’ configuration/ And Mars stationary- so ominous, as you mentioned. I would note that far in advance I deliberately don’t use western techniques now- want to find out what I can do with jyotish only. And I miss old good TP, sometime. Like now when I see what you wrote. Good luck, Gisela! Anna GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com [GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Tahoma">3:18 AM gjlist Re: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Maddalena, dear Nicholas, Thank you for your congratulations, funny thing that Dymock mentionned me when he gave the solution and forget me for the report ... Dymock always asks not to be lengthy in the reasonning, so it is not too clear for the last two dates, where the differences are not that big. Boths facts (snake bite and separation of her husband) seem to be mercury related, mercury was the last stationary planet in tertiary progressions in her 7th and it was stationnary again in january 2003.) Maddalena mentionned mercury on the sixth for the 3rd date. Next TP stationnary planet in her life will be mars, "planet of attack" as stated in another mail. No wonder, that she has to suffer from all sorts of attacks. But this does not help to make the difference between snake bite and husband's leaving. I always admire your clear and logical presentation, Maddalena!!!! 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 Anna see comments below*** - jb gjlist Saturday, March 01, 2003 4:53 PM RE: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Dear Chris, I do not make my living by doing astrology, keep it’s ‘noble status in my life’/ha, ha/- to help people and enjoy pure knowledge. I have more time at the moment to study jyotish and I am focused strictly on that-I deliberately abstain from using ANYTHING from western astrology arsenal, But my position on this issue Is THAT BOTH westen and jyoutish CAN BE USED AS LONG AS WE PRESERVE INTEGRITY OF EACH. ***well, I know what you're saying but I don't really agree. Preserving the integrity of each means preserving the weaknesses of each. By consciously avoiding to mix and meld ideas from different systems, we are trying to avoid the natural human desire to improve and progress. I want you to know that I'm not advocating the invention of a nakshatra that is ruled by Uranus or anything like that. I would say, however, that the expansion of astrological knowledge would be served by a healthy attitude of experimentation towards both western and hindu astrological practices. I would suggest that had our predecessors wished to preserve the integrity of the steam engine, they never would have bothered to invent the internal combustion engine. Why stand still when you can move forward? Here's to heterodoxy. I write this because you shared your unbiased observation- Yes, with Saturn good things, career related can and do happen- I lost my huge data base /during my long practice as a psychologist, I would always cast the chart and follow up- yes would ask the client about TOB even- Ok, L. Green, as I know, does the same- she’s Jungian Psy, >smile</, and software as well. My experience supports yours: ¨ Natural benefics tend to be favourable /always, in fact/ but malefics are not necessarily malefics- Saturm has strong bearing o career, and it’s station coincides with CHANGE- not always worse. ¨ Jyotish planetary significance is for Jyotish only, not to be applied with TP, MP, NOT even with Secondary /haven’t explored the later enough, but have that impression- again, Integrity of each system is to be maintained- **** Richard Houck recognized the necessity to hybridize both systems. He found that major events occurring during progressed Saturn stations typically corresponded with Saturn dasha or pratyardasa periods. So the rule here would progressed planetary stations will be intensified if that planet's dasha was running. Makes sense. It's similar to saying that progressed Saturn stations will have more noticeable effects if there are close transits to Saturn's natal or progressed station. In any event, it would appear that the Saturn station has no inherently benefic or malefic quality. That will be determined by the other planetary influences at the time. if I see from Progressions that something is going to happen, I would perhaps have another look from Jyotish perspective- benefit would be that I can go directly to D10, or D12…to see how transits affect them, what’s happening there, strictly following Jyotish- Narasimha Rao wrote clear instruction on this, which I would follow- The role of P. than would be to reduce the scope, direct attebtion, and that of TIMING- If both confirm same thing- how can possibly one event fail to manifest? ¨ Although I cannot stand behind this at all, I’d rather see direct station, vs. retrograde, with Saturn and outers- giving positive results- but it’s my ‘distrust’ in retro- as in your example, and funny, I’ve seen that too. Outers tend to be malefic, but that seems to depend on their position in natal- WESTERN. Pluto in my chart is powerful and well integrated /it’s station always ‘brings’ something ‘tangibles’ Career-wise- money-wise/ ****Right, it would seem that Rx stations are bad news, but that isn't necessarily the case. I honestly haven't felt I've seen enough of them to make a clear statement about it. It still all depends on what else is going on int he chart. It seems then that the station is a kind of energy focus, that intensifies everything else going on in the chart. ¨ I don’t trust Mercury when signification is concerned- but it’s PEFECT for TIMING- “red flag” sort of. For signification, I would search for more reliable ‘support’ to be present at the same time ¨ If Neptune is not important in the chart and integrated- not much happens. If anything. I would like to hear about your experience I don’t know the reason why is Pluto, being farther away than Neptune, more powerful. My guess is that it’s because Pluto tends to be ‘focused’ and ‘neptun’ difused. Don’t know. ****BTW, Houck found that Pluto stations were usually very powerful, and were most often correlated to political victories. As you may know, he studied the charts of many politicians. Chris, you know more about RH position on this- I haven’t explored that at all- but if you would share what you know about RH position on /each/ above mentioned observation, I would appreciate that. Anna ****Actually, I don't know much about the stations other than what I've written here. That's why I was asking. My sense is there may be more to it than a simple intensifying effect, but I'm just not sure. Thanks for sharing your ideas. Chris Christopher Kevill [christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca] Saturday, March 01, 2003 3:03 PMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Anna and Gisela, Just a question on TPs. As a follower of Houck, I use them and fully appreciate the power of the stations, I'd be interested to know your opinions on the role of the planet concerned with likely events. Mercury can signal breakthoughs and can be both favourable and unfavourable. Natural benefics are usually favourable in their manifestations. But what of Saturn stations, and Neptune stations? I would think there are situations where these two natural malefics could bring advances in their areas of life, but I would think that most of the time their stations bring problems. Also, any distinction between the direct or retrograde station. I recently had a client who got a big job the same month as a Mercury *retrograde* station. Mercury was in the natal 10th house. Anyhow, I'd be interested in your views on this. Chris - jb gjlist Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:39 AM RE: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Gisela, Congratulations! And thanks for your explanation. Yes TP work great- just let me add to your remark re mercury- related to two and in fact all three events, as Maddalena you quote noticed. Mercury activity as per my experience, in TP is like a flag-something is going to happen- find out what /You don’t need to look at any specifics, like house rulership, for Mercury-something will happen when he changes direction-and he’s most active- sure unless at the same time M. enters ‘heavier contacts’ configuration/ And Mars stationary- so ominous, as you mentioned. I would note that far in advance I deliberately don’t use western techniques now- want to find out what I can do with jyotish only. And I miss old good TP, sometime. Like now when I see what you wrote. Good luck, Gisela! Anna GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com [GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com] Saturday, March 01, 2003 3:18 AMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Maddalena, dear Nicholas, Thank you for your congratulations, funny thing that Dymock mentionned me when he gave the solution and forget me for the report ... Dymock always asks not to be lengthy in the reasonning, so it is not too clear for the last two dates, where the differences are not that big. Boths facts (snake bite and separation of her husband) seem to be mercury related, mercury was the last stationary planet in tertiary progressions in her 7th and it was stationnary again in january 2003.) Maddalena mentionned mercury on the sixth for the 3rd date. Next TP stationnary planet in her life will be mars, "planet of attack" as stated in another mail. No wonder, that she has to suffer from all sorts of attacks. But this does not help to make the difference between snake bite and husband's leaving. I always admire your clear and logical presentation, Maddalena!!!! Love and light Gisela Best wishes Gisela .... www.gisel.de Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2003 Report Share Posted March 2, 2003 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Cristopher, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I don’t know what’s happening with my stars today, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">But what you wrote, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Is certainly the best I’ve read in a long time. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> What you wrote is of broader interest, and in fact THE MAYOR ISSUE OF ASTROLOGY and ANY KNOWLEDGE, in general mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">” . I would say, however, that the expansion of astrological knowledge would be served by a healthy attitude of experimentation towards both western and hindu astrological practices. I would suggest that had our predecessors wished to preserve the integrity of the steam engine, they never would have bothered to invent the internal combustion engine. Why stand still when you can move forward? Here's to heterodoxy. normal"> font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"> Right to the point, great. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I DO AGREE with every word, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">However, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Being too long in western astrology /and trust my word: I studied that seriously/ 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">And too short, compared to that, in Jyotish, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I don’t feel competent enough to even dare to think about this ‘quantum leap’, that you talk about, that will eventually come- if CONTINUUM of knowledge is appreciated- Both western and hindu, I said that if you remember, talk about the same Universe. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">But one has to master perfectly both systems first, to have deep understanding and knowledge, before one even try to do what is the only ‘Healthy ATTIDUTE”- cannot find better word. And with an open mind, EXPERIMENT /your words, again/ 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I hate to see ‘made-up’ interpretations, either in western or vedic, when one employs bigger and bigger number of techniques, to ‘suit interpretation needs’, and to prove that system works. That’s the wrong IMHO, and puts more doubts on validity of the system, in fact. 8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I know what I cannot do with high standards of consistency, with western astrology and I will always be first to admit that- 8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">If progressions ‘fail’ to recognize my marriage as an important event, and supply lots of indications of a ‘royal event’ when my child was born, they are not to be blamed- though always disappointed at first, I’ve realized that I have to trust the wisdom of their message instead. And it proved to be true guidance instead of being ‘unreliable’ technique’ as per our low-conscious conception- that’s how they work – 8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I am truly excited about ‘MOVING FORWARD’ and not be imprisoned by any system- need to stick to one system and close eyes to another which has IT’S OWN Value, is weakness and it’s certainly not, as you said, the way knowledge grows. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">However for the time being I would greatly appreciate your sharing of this precious facet of knowledge, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Since your knowledge and understanding seem to be very advanced, allowing you to go even further. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I’m still not there. But will be, I know that. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have to go conservatively, preserving integrity of each system, and to face vedic honestly. padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> **** Richard Houck recognized the necessity to hybridize both systems. He found that major events occurring during progressed Saturn stations typically corresponded with Saturn dasha or pratyardasa periods. So the rule here would progressed planetary stations will be intensified if that planet's dasha was running. Makes sense. It's similar to saying that progressed Saturn stations will have more noticeable effects if there are close transits to Saturn's natal or progressed station. In any event, it would appear that the Saturn station has no inherently benefic or malefic quality. That will be determined by the other planetary influences at the time. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">PLEASE SHARE MORE 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">For that part, I can and will certainly look how/if dasha or subs intensify progressed planets message. Makes perfect sense. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">That far I can go too. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Please se my comments below, for the rest of your responses 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Christopher Kevill [christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sunday, March 02, 2003 font-family:Tahoma">12:27 AM gjlist Re: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Anna see comments below*** margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - jb gjlist 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Arial">4:53 PM RE: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Dear Chris, I do not make my living by doing astrology, keep it’s ‘noble status in my life’/ha, ha/- to help people and enjoy pure knowledge. I have more time at the moment to study jyotish and I am focused strictly on that-I deliberately abstain from using ANYTHING from western astrology arsenal, But my position on this issue Is THAT BOTH westen and jyoutish CAN BE USED AS LONG AS WE PRESERVE INTEGRITY OF EACH. ***well, I know what you're saying but I don't really agree. Preserving the integrity of each means preserving the weaknesses of each. By consciously avoiding to mix and meld ideas from different systems, we are trying to avoid the natural human desire to improve and progress. I want you to know that I'm not advocating the invention of a nakshatra that is ruled by Uranus or anything like that. I would say, however, that the expansion of astrological knowledge would be served by a healthy attitude of experimentation towards both western and hindu astrological practices. I would suggest that had our predecessors wished to preserve the integrity of the steam engine, they never would have bothered to invent the internal combustion engine. Why stand still when you can move forward? Here's to heterodoxy. I write this because you shared your unbiased observation- Yes, with Saturn good things, career related can and do happen- I lost my huge data base /during my long practice as a psychologist, I would always cast the chart and follow up- yes would ask the client about TOB even- Ok, L. Green, as I know, does the same- she’s Jungian Psy, >smile</, and software as well. My experience supports yours: Natural benefics tend to be favourable /always, in fact/ but malefics are not necessarily malefics- Saturm has strong bearing o career, and it’s station coincides with CHANGE- not always worse. color:navy">Jyotish planetary significance is for Jyotish only, not to be applied with TP, MP, NOT even with Secondary /haven’t explored the later enough, but have that impression- again, Integrity of each system is to be maintained- **** Richard Houck recognized the necessity to hybridize both systems. He found that major events occurring during progressed Saturn stations typically corresponded with Saturn dasha or pratyardasa periods. So the rule here would progressed planetary stations will be intensified if that planet's dasha was running. Makes sense. It's similar to saying that progressed Saturn stations will have more noticeable effects if there are close transits to Saturn's natal or progressed station. In any event, it would appear that the Saturn station has no inherently benefic or malefic quality. That will be determined by the other planetary influences at the time. if I see from Progressions that something is going to happen, I would perhaps have another look from Jyotish perspective- benefit would be that I can go directly to D10, or D12…to see how transits affect them, what’s happening there, strictly following Jyotish- Narasimha Rao wrote clear instruction on this, which I would follow- The role of P. than would be to reduce the scope, direct attebtion, and that of TIMING- If both confirm same thing- how can possibly one event fail to manifest? Although I cannot stand behind this at all, I’d rather see direct station, vs. retrograde, with Saturn and outers- giving positive results- but it’s my ‘distrust’ in retro- as in your example, and funny, I’ve seen that too. Outers tend to be malefic, but that seems to depend on their position in natal- WESTERN. Pluto in my chart is powerful and well integrated /it’s station always ‘brings’ something ‘tangibles’ Career-wise- money-wise/ tab-stops:list 1.0in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ color:navy">****Right, it would seem that Rx stations are bad news, but that isn't necessarily the case. I honestly haven't felt I've seen enough of them to make a clear statement about it. It still all depends on what else is going on int he chart. It seems then that the station is a kind of energy focus, that intensifies everything else going on in the chart. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Makes sense. font-family:Arial">One thing I missed to tell you with regards to this- font-family:Arial">I cannot prove statistically, but it’s not just my ‘distrust’ in retro…Think about this: If you look at Minors /progr/, and they move fast, right, and if you have Station Retro..the planet will relatively soon stop again and go direct- how lasting, important event would be, and how positive… font-family:Arial">Would you suspect that something /in person or outer circumstances/ might change, course may change, whatever…Got the point? font-family:Arial">I’ve seen that with Mercury- Direct station is like ‘the road is clean’- and is more often positive than retro-station. tab-stops:list 1.0in"> mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">¨ color:navy">I don’t trust Mercury when signification is concerned- but it’s PEFECT for TIMING- “red flag” sort of. For signification, I would search for more reliable ‘support’ to be present at the same time If color:navy">Neptune is not important in the chart and integrated- not much happens. If anything. I would like to hear about your experience I don’t know the reason why is Pluto, being farther away than Neptune color:navy">, more powerful. My guess is that it’s because Pluto tends to be ‘focused’ and ‘neptun’ difused. Don’t know. color:navy">****BTW, Houck found that Pluto stations were usually very powerful, and were most often correlated to political victories. As you may know, he studied the charts of many politicians. And knew a lot. color:navy"> You are lucky, Chris. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Chris, you know more about RH position on this- I haven’t explored that at all- but if you would share what you know about RH position on /each/ above mentioned observation, I would appreciate that. Anna ****Actually, I don't know much about the stations other than what I've written here. That's why I was asking. My sense is there may be more to it than a simple intensifying effect, but I'm just not sure. color:navy"> color:black">Thanks for sharing your ideas. Chris, Please share any thought you have on this, as well as when you encounter particular situation. I guess you have at least a hypotesis, sice you say “ color:black">there may be more to it than a simple intensifying effect”- they are equally valuable, as you know, even if no proof exist. We can explore, at least. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thanks so much for this invigorating sharing. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Enjoy nice weather- it’s not bad here, either /ha, ha/ 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Anna 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Chris 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Christopher Kevill [christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Tahoma">3:03 PM gjlist Re: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Anna and Gisela, Just a question on TPs. As a follower of Houck, I use them and fully appreciate the power of the stations, I'd be interested to know your opinions on the role of the planet concerned with likely events. Mercury can signal breakthoughs and can be both favourable and unfavourable. Natural benefics are usually favourable in their manifestations. But what of Saturn stations, and Neptune stations? I would think there are situations where these two natural malefics could bring advances in their areas of life, but I would think that most of the time their stations bring problems. Also, any distinction between the direct or retrograde station. I recently had a client who got a big job the same month as a Mercury *retrograde* station. Mercury was in the natal 10th house. Anyhow, I'd be interested in your views on this. Chris margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - bold"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> jb gjlist 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Arial">12:39 AM RE: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Gisela, Congratulations! And thanks for your explanation. Yes TP work great- just let me add to your remark re mercury- related to two and in fact all three events, as Maddalena you quote noticed. Mercury activity as per my experience, in TP is like a flag-something is going to happen- find out what /You don’t need to look at any specifics, like house rulership, for Mercury-something will happen when he changes direction-and he’s most active- sure unless at the same time M. enters ‘heavier contacts’ configuration/ And Mars stationary- so ominous, as you mentioned. I would note that far in advance I deliberately don’t use western techniques now- want to find out what I can do with jyotish only. And I miss old good TP, sometime. Like now when I see what you wrote. Good luck, Gisela! Anna GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com [GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Saturday, March 01, 2003 font-family:Tahoma">3:18 AM gjlist Re: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Maddalena, dear Nicholas, Thank you for your congratulations, funny thing that Dymock mentionned me when he gave the solution and forget me for the report ... Dymock always asks not to be lengthy in the reasonning, so it is not too clear for the last two dates, where the differences are not that big. Boths facts (snake bite and separation of her husband) seem to be mercury related, mercury was the last stationary planet in tertiary progressions in her 7th and it was stationnary again in january 2003.) Maddalena mentionned mercury on the sixth for the 3rd date. Next TP stationnary planet in her life will be mars, "planet of attack" as stated in another mail. No wonder, that she has to suffer from all sorts of attacks. But this does not help to make the difference between snake bite and husband's leaving. I always admire your clear and logical presentation, Maddalena!!!! 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 Anna Glad to know you understand where I'm coming from. Since you're a relative newcomer to the vedic side of things, I guess you're hesitant to step on any jyotish toes. That's good. It's important to have respect for the differences in the two traditions. Unfortunately too many people working in the vedic tradition don't take too kindly to what they consider to be foreign elements. This is mostly because they aren't working on purely logical grounds -- their practice of astrology is closely intertwined with their deepest spiritual beliefs. They cannot incorporate any ideas or techniques that are not found in specified classical texts. This has caused some tension from time to time. I totally agree with your idea that too many complicated and obscure techniques take away from the system and open itself to questions of overall validity. Some people dont' want to admit that some systems aren't 100% perfect at all times. Instead of accepting the limits of the system, they come up with all these strange rationalizations. That said, I would offer that the reason that you marriage didn't show up in any progression pattern was because you might have needed to compare it with the navamsha chart, or conversely, you may need to take the navamsha of the different progressed charts. Progressed charts don't always give us clear answers in the rashi chart, so we sometimes need to bring in the apprrpriate varga charts. I find that is often the case with dashas. Anyway, I hope your vedic studies go well. I don't know much really, but i'd be happy to help you where I can. Chris - jb gjlist Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:04 PM RE: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Dear Cristopher, I don’t know what’s happening with my stars today, But what you wrote, Is certainly the best I’ve read in a long time. What you wrote is of broader interest, and in fact THE MAYOR ISSUE OF ASTROLOGY and ANY KNOWLEDGE, in general” . I would say, however, that the expansion of astrological knowledge would be served by a healthy attitude of experimentation towards both western and hindu astrological practices. I would suggest that had our predecessors wished to preserve the integrity of the steam engine, they never would have bothered to invent the internal combustion engine. Why stand still when you can move forward? Here's to heterodoxy. Right to the point, great. I DO AGREE with every word, However, Being too long in western astrology /and trust my word: I studied that seriously/ And too short, compared to that, in Jyotish, I don’t feel competent enough to even dare to think about this ‘quantum leap’, that you talk about, that will eventually come- if CONTINUUM of knowledge is appreciated- Both western and hindu, I said that if you remember, talk about the same Universe. But one has to master perfectly both systems first, to have deep understanding and knowledge, before one even try to do what is the only ‘Healthy ATTIDUTE”- cannot find better word. And with an open mind, EXPERIMENT /your words, again/ I hate to see ‘made-up’ interpretations, either in western or vedic, when one employs bigger and bigger number of techniques, to ‘suit interpretation needs’, and to prove that system works. That’s the wrong IMHO, and puts more doubts on validity of the system, in fact. I know what I cannot do with high standards of consistency, with western astrology and I will always be first to admit that- If progressions ‘fail’ to recognize my marriage as an important event, and supply lots of indications of a ‘royal event’ when my child was born, they are not to be blamed- though always disappointed at first, I’ve realized that I have to trust the wisdom of their message instead. And it proved to be true guidance instead of being ‘unreliable’ technique’ as per our low-conscious conception- that’s how they work – I am truly excited about ‘MOVING FORWARD’ and not be imprisoned by any system- need to stick to one system and close eyes to another which has IT’S OWN Value, is weakness and it’s certainly not, as you said, the way knowledge grows. However for the time being I would greatly appreciate your sharing of this precious facet of knowledge, Since your knowledge and understanding seem to be very advanced, allowing you to go even further. I’m still not there. But will be, I know that. I have to go conservatively, preserving integrity of each system, and to face vedic honestly. **** Richard Houck recognized the necessity to hybridize both systems. He found that major events occurring during progressed Saturn stations typically corresponded with Saturn dasha or pratyardasa periods. So the rule here would progressed planetary stations will be intensified if that planet's dasha was running. Makes sense. It's similar to saying that progressed Saturn stations will have more noticeable effects if there are close transits to Saturn's natal or progressed station. In any event, it would appear that the Saturn station has no inherently benefic or malefic quality. That will be determined by the other planetary influences at the time. PLEASE SHARE MORE For that part, I can and will certainly look how/if dasha or subs intensify progressed planets message. Makes perfect sense. That far I can go too. Please se my comments below, for the rest of your responses Christopher Kevill [christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca] Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:27 AMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Anna see comments below*** - jb gjlist Saturday, March 01, 2003 4:53 PM RE: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Dear Chris, I do not make my living by doing astrology, keep it’s ‘noble status in my life’/ha, ha/- to help people and enjoy pure knowledge. I have more time at the moment to study jyotish and I am focused strictly on that-I deliberately abstain from using ANYTHING from western astrology arsenal, But my position on this issue Is THAT BOTH westen and jyoutish CAN BE USED AS LONG AS WE PRESERVE INTEGRITY OF EACH. ***well, I know what you're saying but I don't really agree. Preserving the integrity of each means preserving the weaknesses of each. By consciously avoiding to mix and meld ideas from different systems, we are trying to avoid the natural human desire to improve and progress. I want you to know that I'm not advocating the invention of a nakshatra that is ruled by Uranus or anything like that. I would say, however, that the expansion of astrological knowledge would be served by a healthy attitude of experimentation towards both western and hindu astrological practices. I would suggest that had our predecessors wished to preserve the integrity of the steam engine, they never would have bothered to invent the internal combustion engine. Why stand still when you can move forward? Here's to heterodoxy. I write this because you shared your unbiased observation- Yes, with Saturn good things, career related can and do happen- I lost my huge data base /during my long practice as a psychologist, I would always cast the chart and follow up- yes would ask the client about TOB even- Ok, L. Green, as I know, does the same- she’s Jungian Psy, >smile</, and software as well. My experience supports yours: Natural benefics tend to be favourable /always, in fact/ but malefics are not necessarily malefics- Saturm has strong bearing o career, and it’s station coincides with CHANGE- not always worse. Jyotish planetary significance is for Jyotish only, not to be applied with TP, MP, NOT even with Secondary /haven’t explored the later enough, but have that impression- again, Integrity of each system is to be maintained- **** Richard Houck recognized the necessity to hybridize both systems. He found that major events occurring during progressed Saturn stations typically corresponded with Saturn dasha or pratyardasa periods. So the rule here would progressed planetary stations will be intensified if that planet's dasha was running. Makes sense. It's similar to saying that progressed Saturn stations will have more noticeable effects if there are close transits to Saturn's natal or progressed station. In any event, it would appear that the Saturn station has no inherently benefic or malefic quality. That will be determined by the other planetary influences at the time. if I see from Progressions that something is going to happen, I would perhaps have another look from Jyotish perspective- benefit would be that I can go directly to D10, or D12…to see how transits affect them, what’s happening there, strictly following Jyotish- Narasimha Rao wrote clear instruction on this, which I would follow- The role of P. than would be to reduce the scope, direct attebtion, and that of TIMING- If both confirm same thing- how can possibly one event fail to manifest? Although I cannot stand behind this at all, I’d rather see direct station, vs. retrograde, with Saturn and outers- giving positive results- but it’s my ‘distrust’ in retro- as in your example, and funny, I’ve seen that too. Outers tend to be malefic, but that seems to depend on their position in natal- WESTERN. Pluto in my chart is powerful and well integrated /it’s station always ‘brings’ something ‘tangibles’ Career-wise- money-wise/ ¨****Right, it would seem that Rx stations are bad news, but that isn't necessarily the case. I honestly haven't felt I've seen enough of them to make a clear statement about it. It still all depends on what else is going on int he chart. It seems then that the station is a kind of energy focus, that intensifies everything else going on in the chart. Makes sense. One thing I missed to tell you with regards to this- I cannot prove statistically, but it’s not just my ‘distrust’ in retro…Think about this: If you look at Minors /progr/, and they move fast, right, and if you have Station Retro..the planet will relatively soon stop again and go direct- how lasting, important event would be, and how positive… Would you suspect that something /in person or outer circumstances/ might change, course may change, whatever…Got the point? I’ve seen that with Mercury- Direct station is like ‘the road is clean’- and is more often positive than retro-station. ¨ I don’t trust Mercury when signification is concerned- but it’s PEFECT for TIMING- “red flag” sort of. For signification, I would search for more reliable ‘support’ to be present at the same time If Neptune is not important in the chart and integrated- not much happens. If anything. I would like to hear about your experience I don’t know the reason why is Pluto, being farther away than Neptune, more powerful. My guess is that it’s because Pluto tends to be ‘focused’ and ‘neptun’ difused. Don’t know. ****BTW, Houck found that Pluto stations were usually very powerful, and were most often correlated to political victories. As you may know, he studied the charts of many politicians. And knew a lot. You are lucky, Chris. Chris, you know more about RH position on this- I haven’t explored that at all- but if you would share what you know about RH position on /each/ above mentioned observation, I would appreciate that. Anna ****Actually, I don't know much about the stations other than what I've written here. That's why I was asking. My sense is there may be more to it than a simple intensifying effect, but I'm just not sure. Thanks for sharing your ideas. Chris, Please share any thought you have on this, as well as when you encounter particular situation. I guess you have at least a hypotesis, sice you say “there may be more to it than a simple intensifying effect”- they are equally valuable, as you know, even if no proof exist. We can explore, at least. Thanks so much for this invigorating sharing. Enjoy nice weather- it’s not bad here, either /ha, ha/ Anna Chris Christopher Kevill [christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca] Saturday, March 01, 2003 3:03 PMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] test no 75/TPs Anna and Gisela, Just a question on TPs. As a follower of Houck, I use them and fully appreciate the power of the stations, I'd be interested to know your opinions on the role of the planet concerned with likely events. Mercury can signal breakthoughs and can be both favourable and unfavourable. Natural benefics are usually favourable in their manifestations. But what of Saturn stations, and Neptune stations? I would think there are situations where these two natural malefics could bring advances in their areas of life, but I would think that most of the time their stations bring problems. Also, any distinction between the direct or retrograde station. I recently had a client who got a big job the same month as a Mercury *retrograde* station. Mercury was in the natal 10th house. Anyhow, I'd be interested in your views on this. Chris - jb gjlist Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:39 AM RE: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Gisela, Congratulations! And thanks for your explanation. Yes TP work great- just let me add to your remark re mercury- related to two and in fact all three events, as Maddalena you quote noticed. Mercury activity as per my experience, in TP is like a flag-something is going to happen- find out what /You don’t need to look at any specifics, like house rulership, for Mercury-something will happen when he changes direction-and he’s most active- sure unless at the same time M. enters ‘heavier contacts’ configuration/ And Mars stationary- so ominous, as you mentioned. I would note that far in advance I deliberately don’t use western techniques now- want to find out what I can do with jyotish only. And I miss old good TP, sometime. Like now when I see what you wrote. Good luck, Gisela! Anna GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com [GBroetzmann (AT) aol (DOT) com] Saturday, March 01, 2003 3:18 AMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] test no 75 Dear Maddalena, dear Nicholas, Thank you for your congratulations, funny thing that Dymock mentionned me when he gave the solution and forget me for the report ... Dymock always asks not to be lengthy in the reasonning, so it is not too clear for the last two dates, where the differences are not that big. Boths facts (snake bite and separation of her husband) seem to be mercury related, mercury was the last stationary planet in tertiary progressions in her 7th and it was stationnary again in january 2003.) Maddalena mentionned mercury on the sixth for the 3rd date. Next TP stationnary planet in her life will be mars, "planet of attack" as stated in another mail. No wonder, that she has to suffer from all sorts of attacks. But this does not help to make the difference between snake bite and husband's leaving. I always admire your clear and logical presentation, Maddalena!!!! 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