Loneliness: Data required

May 25, 2003

Dear members,

I was wondering what are the significations for lonelyness. Natural Karaka

Saturn, particular karakas 8th and 3rd lords. I would like to study/research

more on it if possible.

So among you who are lonely, please send me the birthdata (Date, time, place)

here or to my private mailbox tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com, info will be kept

confidential. Also, it would be better to mention which periods were lonely /

most lonely.

Any feedback and data would be truely appreciated.

Regards,Tanvir

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May 25, 2003

Forgot to mention that loneliness for only a particular period of life such as 6

months / 1 year / 3-4 years is also applicable. (Please mention which period was

lonely.) Not have to be lonely for all life long :-)

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Monday, May 26, 2003 4:17 AM

[GJ] Loneliness: Data required

Dear members,

I was wondering what are the significations for lonelyness. Natural Karaka

Saturn, particular karakas 8th and 3rd lords. I would like to study/research

more on it if possible.

So among you who are lonely, please send me the birthdata (Date, time, place)

here or to my private mailbox tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com, info will be kept

confidential. Also, it would be better to mention which periods were lonely /

most lonely.

Any feedback and data would be truely appreciated.

Regards,Tanvir

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Tanvir

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May 26, 2003

Hi

Tanvir,

In my humble opinion, Even 12th lord/house and influence of seperatative planets

can cause loneliness.

Please let all know your study/research progress.

Best wishes,

anmohiey.

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Monday, May 26, 2003 3:47 AM

[GJ] Loneliness: Data required

Dear members,

I was wondering what are the significations for lonelyness. Natural Karaka

Saturn, particular karakas 8th and 3rd lords. I would like to study/research

more on it if possible.

So among you who are lonely, please send me the birthdata (Date, time, place)

here or to my private mailbox tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com, info will be kept

confidential. Also, it would be better to mention which periods were lonely /

most lonely.

Any feedback and data would be truely appreciated.

Regards,Tanvir

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Tanvir

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May 26, 2003

thanks... i am writting an article on this with few examples and my own thoughts.

i am thankful for all the responses... :-)

rgds

tanvir

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Monday, May 26, 2003 11:02 PM

Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

Hi

Tanvir,

In my humble opinion, Even 12th lord/house and influence of seperatative planets

can cause loneliness.

Please let all know your study/research progress.

Best wishes,

anmohiey.

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Tanvir

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Monday, May 26, 2003 3:47 AM

[GJ] Loneliness: Data required

Dear members,

I was wondering what are the significations for lonelyness. Natural Karaka

Saturn, particular karakas 8th and 3rd lords. I would like to study/research

more on it if possible.

So among you who are lonely, please send me the birthdata (Date, time, place)

here or to my private mailbox tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com, info will be kept

confidential. Also, it would be better to mention which periods were lonely /

most lonely.

Any feedback and data would be truely appreciated.

Regards,Tanvir

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Tanvir

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May 26, 2003

Hi Tanvir,

What exactly do you mean?An inherent tendency in a person to be

lonely or an introvert OR loneliness caused due to being away from

home or due to a family members death or seperation?

In the first case,nothing can cause the tendency more than having

moon-ketu conjunction or having ketu in lagna.It makes one really

detached and not wanting to socialise.

In the second case,the cause could be saturn or rahu period OR

sadesati.

saturn and rahu have seperative effects.The effect will be very

prominent if either is in 12th house as the 12th house governs

losses/seperation,etc.

Besides,any planet in 12th or 12th lord can cause

seperation/loneliness during it's dasha/bhukti --- but saturn/rahu

give this effect much more forcefully.

vivek.

On Mon, 26 May 2003 Tanvir wrote :

>Dear members,

>

>I was wondering what are the significations for lonelyness.

>Natural Karaka Saturn, particular karakas 8th and 3rd lords. I

>would like to study/research more on it if possible.

>

>So among you who are lonely, please send me the birthdata (Date,

>time, place) here or to my private mailbox tanvir,

>info will be kept confidential. Also, it would be better to

>mention which periods were lonely / most lonely.

>

>Any feedback and data would be truely appreciated.

>

>Regards,

>Tanvir

>

>What can not happen, can never happen.

>Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

>Tanvir Chowdhury

>tanvir

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May 26, 2003

Hi Vivek,

I was referring to the second. Means suffering for being / living alone, or even

living in many poeple, not having good/close people to talk freely etc.

I have some obsevations which I am going to put in a new article I am almost

done with. You are right on some points.

Regards,Tanvir

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:30 AM

Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

Hi Tanvir,What exactly do you mean?An inherent tendency in a person to be lonely

or an introvert OR loneliness caused due to being away from home or due to a

family members death or seperation?In the first case,nothing can cause the

tendency more than having moon-ketu conjunction or having ketu in lagna.It

makes one really detached and not wanting to socialise.In the second case,the

cause could be saturn or rahu period OR sadesati.saturn and rahu have

seperative effects.The effect will be very prominent if either is in 12th house

as the 12th house governs losses/seperation,etc.Besides,any planet in 12th or

12th lord can cause seperation/loneliness during it's dasha/bhukti --- but

saturn/rahu give this effect much more forcefully.vivek.On Mon, 26 May 2003

Tanvir wrote :>Dear members,>>I was wondering what are the significations for

lonelyness. >Natural Karaka Saturn, particular karakas 8th and 3rd lords. I

>would like to study/research more on it if possible.>>So among you who are

lonely, please send me the birthdata (Date, >time, place) here or to my private

mailbox tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com, >info will be kept confidential. Also, it would be

better to >mention which periods were lonely / most lonely.>>Any feedback and

data would be truely appreciated.>>Regards,>Tanvir>>>>What can not happen, can

never happen.>Which is mine, is forever mine.>>Tanvir

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May 26, 2003

Hi again,

In the first case,the person actually prefers to be lonely.In fact

he would suffer if he lived in a situation where he would have to

interact too much with people.

You were of course referring to the 2nd case.Here again,if you

meant going through a lonely phase --- it could be saturn rahu

periods.

But if you meant a lifetime situation where you cannot communicate

well or are always misundertstood and suffer due to it,it could be

an afflicted mercury as mercury governs your oratory/socialising

skills.

I think a debilitated mercury OR saturn's influence on mercury

could do this.

I am waiting for your observations.

vivek.

On Tue, 27 May 2003 Tanvir wrote :

>Hi Vivek,

>I was referring to the second. Means suffering for being / living

>alone, or even living in many poeple, not having good/close

>people to talk freely etc.

>

>I have some obsevations which I am going to put in a new article

>I am almost done with. You are right on some points.

>

>Regards,

>Tanvir

>

>What can not happen, can never happen.

>Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

>Tanvir Chowdhury

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> Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:30 AM

> Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

>

> Hi Tanvir,

> What exactly do you mean?An inherent tendency in a person to

>be

> lonely or an introvert OR loneliness caused due to being away

> from

> home or due to a family members death or seperation?

> In the first case,nothing can cause the tendency more than

>having

> moon-ketu conjunction or having ketu in lagna.It makes one

>really

> detached and not wanting to socialise.

> In the second case,the cause could be saturn or rahu period

>OR

> sadesati.

> saturn and rahu have seperative effects.The effect will be

>very

> prominent if either is in 12th house as the 12th house

>governs

> losses/seperation,etc.

> Besides,any planet in 12th or 12th lord can cause

> seperation/loneliness during it's dasha/bhukti --- but

>saturn/rahu

> give this effect much more forcefully.

> vivek.

>

> On Mon, 26 May 2003 Tanvir wrote :

> >Dear members,

> >

> >I was wondering what are the significations for lonelyness.

> >Natural Karaka Saturn, particular karakas 8th and 3rd lords.

>I

> >would like to study/research more on it if possible.

> >

> >So among you who are lonely, please send me the birthdata

>(Date,

> >time, place) here or to my private mailbox

>tanvir,

> >info will be kept confidential. Also, it would be better to

> >mention which periods were lonely / most lonely.

> >

> >Any feedback and data would be truely appreciated.

> >

> >Regards,

> >Tanvir

> >

> >What can not happen, can never happen.

> >Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> >Tanvir Chowdhury

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May 27, 2003

You are right about the first case. It is his nature and preference, but not

suffering :-) Still it would be indicated in the chart, but in different way as

a nature (On mo/lagna/lord) and not as suffering.

I will send u the ling for articles when done. in the mean time you can check

the two articles which are already up - link in my signature :-)

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Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

Hi again,In the first case,the person actually prefers to be lonely.In fact he

would suffer if he lived in a situation where he would have to interact too

much with people.You were of course referring to the 2nd case.Here again,if you

meant going through a lonely phase --- it could be saturn rahu periods.But if

you meant a lifetime situation where you cannot communicate well or are always

misundertstood and suffer due to it,it could be an afflicted mercury as mercury

governs your oratory/socialising skills.I think a debilitated mercury OR

saturn's influence on mercury could do this.I am waiting for your

observations.vivek.On Tue, 27 May 2003 Tanvir wrote :>Hi Vivek,>I was referring

to the second. Means suffering for being / living >alone, or even living in many

poeple, not having good/close >people to talk freely etc.>>I have some

obsevations which I am going to put in a new article >I am almost done with.

You are right on some points.>>Regards,>Tanvir>>>>What can not happen, can

never happen.>Which is mine, is forever mine.>>Tanvir

Chowdhury>tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com>http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir>http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro>>>>'>http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir>http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro>>>>

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:30 AM> Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data

required>>> Hi Tanvir,> What exactly do you mean?An inherent tendency in a

person to >be> lonely or an introvert OR loneliness caused due to being away

> from> home or due to a family members death or seperation?> In the first

case,nothing can cause the tendency more than >having> moon-ketu conjunction

or having ketu in lagna.It makes one >really> detached and not wanting to

socialise.> In the second case,the cause could be saturn or rahu period >OR>

sadesati.> saturn and rahu have seperative effects.The effect will be >very>

prominent if either is in 12th house as the 12th house >governs>

losses/seperation,etc.> Besides,any planet in 12th or 12th lord can cause>

seperation/loneliness during it's dasha/bhukti --- but >saturn/rahu> give

this effect much more forcefully.> vivek.>> On Mon, 26 May 2003 Tanvir

wrote :> >Dear members,> >> >I was wondering what are the significations

for lonelyness.> >Natural Karaka Saturn, particular karakas 8th and 3rd

lords. >I> >would like to study/research more on it if possible.> >> >So

among you who are lonely, please send me the birthdata >(Date,> >time, place)

here or to my private mailbox >tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com,> >info will be kept

confidential. Also, it would be better to> >mention which periods were lonely

/ most lonely.> >> >Any feedback and data would be truely appreciated.> >>

>Regards,> >Tanvir> >> >> >> >What can not happen, can never

happen.> >Which is mine, is forever mine.> >> >Tanvir Chowdhury>

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May 27, 2003

Dear Tanvir

I'm getting in late on this but here is my take .

Loneliness is partly a result of lack of friends so you can look at 11th

house matters .

Then poor relationships would contribute so you could look at 7th house

affairs .

Saturn tends to represent isolation so it's close conjunction with Lagna

Lord or Moon might contribute .

The dusthanas are considered hidden houses so Lagna Lord particularly in 8th

and 12th would contribute .

A lot of planets in the 8th or 12th also has potential to make a lonely

figure .

Kemadrum Yoga seems to be a " loneliness " yoga

When Ketu strongly affects the chart that might prove contributory .

Hope this is helpful

Nicholas

May 27, 2003

Dear Nicholas

I agree with almost everything you've said and I am only speaking from

experience with clients here. Planets in the 12th seem to enjoy being

alone! In fact, these folks really struggle with too much company and in

marriage often go off alone or have a separate room (if they can afford one)

that is theirs alone.

I've also seen this similar trait in the mansions Revati and Utar Bhadra.

The mansions that are often upset about loneliness are Ardra, Jyestha, Mula.

The Moon alone with no planets on either side, even when there is no

kemadruma is also pretty solitary but may or may not be lonely. I think

this Moon often pushes people away because it never dawns on the native that

others would like to get close or to help them because as a young person

they were often unsupported. I will also say the the parents of these

children might say that the child at an early age pulls away and does not

want to be nurtured and loved,

Just some thoughts and by no means a criticism. I always read all of your

posts because I learn so much and your sensitivity is inspiring.

smiles

cynthia

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:51 AM

Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

> Dear Tanvir

> I'm getting in late on this but here is my take .

> Loneliness is partly a result of lack of friends so you can look at 11th

> house matters .

> Then poor relationships would contribute so you could look at 7th house

> affairs .

> Saturn tends to represent isolation so it's close conjunction with Lagna

> Lord or Moon might contribute .

> The dusthanas are considered hidden houses so Lagna Lord particularly in

8th

> and 12th would contribute .

> A lot of planets in the 8th or 12th also has potential to make a lonely

> figure .

> Kemadrum Yoga seems to be a " loneliness " yoga

> When Ketu strongly affects the chart that might prove contributory .

> Hope this is helpful

> Nicholas

>

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May 27, 2003

Just wanted to agree with what you said about people with planets in the 12th.

I have 3 planets in the 12th - lagna lord, Saturn, Jupiter and Moon (both Jup.

and Moon in Moola) and I have never in my life thought of solitude as a

negative thing. I love my husband and close friends very much, but I still

crave my time alone. I spent 7 months once travelling by myself (by choice),

meeting no one and it was one of the happiest times of my life. I know a

number of other people with a packed 12th house and they all agree with me that

a certain amount of solitude and quiet time is essential for their happiness.

I'm sure there are other factors which come into play, but this has just been

my experience.

Lauriecynthianovak <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear NicholasI agree with almost everything you've said and I am only speaking

fromexperience with clients here. Planets in the 12th seem to enjoy beingalone!

In fact, these folks really struggle with too much company and inmarriage often

go off alone or have a separate room (if they can afford one)that is theirs

alone.I've also seen this similar trait in the mansions Revati and Utar

Bhadra.The mansions that are often upset about loneliness are Ardra, Jyestha,

Mula.The Moon alone with no planets on either side, even when there is

nokemadruma is also pretty solitary but may or may not be lonely. I thinkthis

Moon often pushes people away because it never dawns on the native thatothers

would like to get close or to help them because as a young personthey were

often unsupported. I will also say the the parents of thesechildren might say

that the child at an early age pulls away and does notwant to be nurtured and

loved,Just some thoughts and by no means a criticism. I always read all of

yourposts because I learn so much and your sensitivity is

inspiring.smilescynthia-"Nicholas" Sent:

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:51 AMRe: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required> Dear

Tanvir> I'm getting in late on this but here is my take .> Loneliness is partly

a result of lack of friends so you can look at 11th> house matters .> Then poor

relationships would contribute so you could look at 7th house> affairs .>

Saturn tends to represent isolation so it's close conjunction with Lagna> Lord

or Moon might contribute .> The dusthanas are considered hidden houses so Lagna

Lord particularly in8th> and 12th would contribute .> A lot of planets in the

8th or 12th also has potential to make a lonely> figure .> Kemadrum Yoga seems

to be a " loneliness " yoga> When Ketu strongly affects the chart that might

prove contributory .> Hope this is helpful> Nicholas>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate

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Cynthia and Nicholas,

Your discussion has been helpful to me because I have also wondered about the

Kemadruma yoga that my youngest son has, with unsupported Moon in Cancer in

12th. He seems to be fine isolating himself from everyone else but his favorite

friends. I am the one who wishes he'd be more involved with family activities,

which he has little desire to participate in.

Understanding he may need to be alone, ratrher than it being something wrong

somewhere, helps a lot...thanks!

Love to all,

Carol Hook

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<cynthianovak writes:

>Dear Nicholas

>

>I agree with almost everything you've said and I am only speaking from

>experience with clients here. Planets in the 12th seem to enjoy being

>alone! In fact, these folks really struggle with too much company and in

>marriage often go off alone or have a separate room (if they can afford one)

>that is theirs alone.

>

>I've also seen this similar trait in the mansions Revati and Utar Bhadra.

>

>The mansions that are often upset about loneliness are Ardra, Jyestha, Mula.

>

>The Moon alone with no planets on either side, even when there is no

>kemadruma is also pretty solitary but may or may not be lonely. I think

>this Moon often pushes people away because it never dawns on the native that

>others would like to get close or to help them because as a young person

>they were often unsupported. I will also say the the parents of these

>children might say that the child at an early age pulls away and does not

>want to be nurtured and loved,

>

>Just some thoughts and by no means a criticism. I always read all of your

>posts because I learn so much and your sensitivity is inspiring.

>smiles

>cynthia

>-

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>Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:51 AM

>Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

>

>> Dear Tanvir

>> I'm getting in late on this but here is my take .

>> Loneliness is partly a result of lack of friends so you can look at 11th

>> house matters .

>> Then poor relationships would contribute so you could look at 7th house

>> affairs .

>> Saturn tends to represent isolation so it's close conjunction with Lagna

>> Lord or Moon might contribute .

>> The dusthanas are considered hidden houses so Lagna Lord particularly in

>8th

>> and 12th would contribute .

>> A lot of planets in the 8th or 12th also has potential to make a lonely

>> figure .

>> Kemadrum Yoga seems to be a " loneliness " yoga

>> When Ketu strongly affects the chart that might prove contributory .

>> Hope this is helpful

>> Nicholas

May 27, 2003

Dear Cynthia

Excellent insights .I'd agree that people with 12th house influences tend to

like being alone although to others it might appear they are lonely .

I've also found amongst the Lagnas Virgo and Pisces can spend a lot of time

alone without feeling lonely .

Nicholas

> Dear Nicholas

>

> I agree with almost everything you've said and I am only speaking from

> experience with clients here. Planets in the 12th seem to enjoy being

> alone! In fact, these folks really struggle with too much company and in

> marriage often go off alone or have a separate room (if they can afford

one)

> that is theirs alone.

>

> I've also seen this similar trait in the mansions Revati and Utar Bhadra.

>

> The mansions that are often upset about loneliness are Ardra, Jyestha,

Mula.

>

> The Moon alone with no planets on either side, even when there is no

> kemadruma is also pretty solitary but may or may not be lonely. I think

> this Moon often pushes people away because it never dawns on the native

that

> others would like to get close or to help them because as a young person

> they were often unsupported. I will also say the the parents of these

> children might say that the child at an early age pulls away and does not

> want to be nurtured and loved,

>

> Just some thoughts and by no means a criticism. I always read all of your

> posts because I learn so much and your sensitivity is inspiring.

> smiles

> cynthia

May 27, 2003

Dear Carol

I also have Moon in 12th and as a child spent more than an average amount of

time alone . This caused my parents concern but really their anxiety was

unnecessary .

Nicholas

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:37 AM

Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

> Cynthia and Nicholas,

> Your discussion has been helpful to me because I have also wondered

about the Kemadruma yoga that my youngest son has, with unsupported Moon in

Cancer in 12th. He seems to be fine isolating himself from everyone else

but his favorite friends. I am the one who wishes he'd be more involved with

family activities, which he has little desire to participate in.

> Understanding he may need to be alone, ratrher than it being something

wrong somewhere, helps a lot...thanks!

> Love to all,

> Carol Hook

>

May 27, 2003

Thanks for your input, Nicholas. As a typical mother I have often given

myself a sense of guilt about my children...and forget that God made each one

for whatever purpose God has intended. My job is to be their caretaker for a

short time while they, and God, hold the keys to their true destinies. I admit

I have worried too much!

Love,

Carol Hook

May 27, 2003

Dear Tanvir

Here is a chart for loneliness

Although the time is rounded I am pretty sure that Aswini is the correct

rising nakshatra

Native cracked under the strain of feeling alone and isolated .

Note there is a very substantial kemadrum Yoga with no planets with the Moon

or on either side and no planets aspecting the Moon .

The 11th Lord of friends is in the 12th house of losses closely afflicted

by Rahu and in the state of old age .

Venus natural karaka for relationships and doubly so as 7th Lord does very

poorly in individualistic Aries imho .

The Rahu Mahadasha (1981-1999) fully activated the affliction to the 11th

Lord and his mental condition progressively deteriorated .

Hope this is helpful for your researches .

I think the talented younger jyotishis like yourself will take this divine

science far further into the public realms .

Nicholas

May 18,1968

Time: 5:00AM Zone: 10:00 DST: 0

Longitude: 145E00 Latitude: 37S50

Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:25 365.25 Day Year

Current Period: Ju/Sa/Ra

As 05:25 Ar Aswini Ke

Su 03:31 Ta Krittika Su

Mo 15:34 Cp Shravana Mo

Ma 13:02 Ta Rohini Mo

Me 24:46 Ta Mrigsira Ma

Ju 03:25 Le Magha Ke

Ve 24:25 Ar Bharani Ve

Sa 27:06 Pi Revati Me

Ra 24:36 Pi Revati Me

Ke 24:36 Vi Chitra Ma

Vimshottari Dashas

==================

Mo May-18-1968

Ma Mar-15-1974

Ra Mar-15-1981

Ju Mar-16-1999

Sa Mar-16-2015

Me Mar-15-2034

Ke Mar-16-2051

Ve Mar-15-2058

Su Mar-15-2078

May 28, 2003

Dear Nicholas,

This person has both saturn and rahu(seperative effects) in 12th

house.

Rahu being malefic for aries,he was bound to give strain/isolation

and loneliness in his dasha apart from losses.Did this dasha give

foreign travel too?If it did,then he must have suffered due to

that too.

Now of course he is free from trouble being in jupiter dasha and

having good placement of jupiter in natal chart(9th lord in 5th)

vivek.

On Wed, 28 May 2003 Nicholas wrote :

>

>Dear Tanvir

>Here is a chart for loneliness

>Although the time is rounded I am pretty sure that Aswini is the

>correct

>rising nakshatra

>Native cracked under the strain of feeling alone and isolated .

>Note there is a very substantial kemadrum Yoga with no planets

>with the Moon

>or on either side and no planets aspecting the Moon .

>The 11th Lord of friends is in the 12th house of losses closely

>afflicted

>by Rahu and in the state of old age .

>Venus natural karaka for relationships and doubly so as 7th Lord

>does very

>poorly in individualistic Aries imho .

>

>The Rahu Mahadasha (1981-1999) fully activated the affliction to

>the 11th

>Lord and his mental condition progressively deteriorated .

>

>Hope this is helpful for your researches .

>I think the talented younger jyotishis like yourself will take

>this divine

>science far further into the public realms .

>

>Nicholas

>

>May 18,1968

>Time: 5:00AM Zone: 10:00 DST: 0

>

>Longitude: 145E00 Latitude: 37S50

>Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:25 365.25 Day Year

>Current Period: Ju/Sa/Ra

>

>As 05:25 Ar Aswini Ke

>Su 03:31 Ta Krittika Su

>Mo 15:34 Cp Shravana Mo

>Ma 13:02 Ta Rohini Mo

>Me 24:46 Ta Mrigsira Ma

>Ju 03:25 Le Magha Ke

>Ve 24:25 Ar Bharani Ve

>Sa 27:06 Pi Revati Me

>Ra 24:36 Pi Revati Me

>Ke 24:36 Vi Chitra Ma

>

>Vimshottari Dashas

>==================

>Mo May-18-1968

>Ma Mar-15-1974

>Ra Mar-15-1981

>Ju Mar-16-1999

>Sa Mar-16-2015

>Me Mar-15-2034

>Ke Mar-16-2051

>Ve Mar-15-2058

>Su Mar-15-2078

>

>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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Dear Carol

Would you post your son's birth data? A kemadruma is very rare.

cynthia

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<Carolhook

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:37 AM

Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

> Cynthia and Nicholas,

> Your discussion has been helpful to me because I have also wondered

about the Kemadruma yoga that my youngest son has, with unsupported Moon in

Cancer in 12th. He seems to be fine isolating himself from everyone else

but his favorite friends. I am the one who wishes he'd be more involved with

family activities, which he has little desire to participate in.

> Understanding he may need to be alone, ratrher than it being something

wrong somewhere, helps a lot...thanks!

> Love to all,

> Carol Hook

>

> In a message dated 5/27/2003 8:31:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,

"cynthianovak" <cynthianovak writes:

>

> >Dear Nicholas

> >

> >I agree with almost everything you've said and I am only speaking from

> >experience with clients here. Planets in the 12th seem to enjoy being

> >alone! In fact, these folks really struggle with too much company and in

> >marriage often go off alone or have a separate room (if they can afford

one)

> >that is theirs alone.

> >

> >I've also seen this similar trait in the mansions Revati and Utar Bhadra.

> >

> >The mansions that are often upset about loneliness are Ardra, Jyestha,

Mula.

> >

> >The Moon alone with no planets on either side, even when there is no

> >kemadruma is also pretty solitary but may or may not be lonely. I think

> >this Moon often pushes people away because it never dawns on the native

that

> >others would like to get close or to help them because as a young person

> >they were often unsupported. I will also say the the parents of these

> >children might say that the child at an early age pulls away and does not

> >want to be nurtured and loved,

> >

> >Just some thoughts and by no means a criticism. I always read all of your

> >posts because I learn so much and your sensitivity is inspiring.

> >smiles

> >cynthia

> >-

> >"Nicholas" <jyotish108

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> >Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:51 AM

> >Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

> >

> >> Dear Tanvir

> >> I'm getting in late on this but here is my take .

> >> Loneliness is partly a result of lack of friends so you can look at

11th

> >> house matters .

> >> Then poor relationships would contribute so you could look at 7th house

> >> affairs .

> >> Saturn tends to represent isolation so it's close conjunction with

Lagna

> >> Lord or Moon might contribute .

> >> The dusthanas are considered hidden houses so Lagna Lord particularly

in

> >8th

> >> and 12th would contribute .

> >> A lot of planets in the 8th or 12th also has potential to make a lonely

> >> figure .

> >> Kemadrum Yoga seems to be a " loneliness " yoga

> >> When Ketu strongly affects the chart that might prove contributory .

> >> Hope this is helpful

> >> Nicholas

>

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Hi Nicholas,

Thanks for the data... :-) I am getting a lot of data, thanks to all.

I am sorry that I could not respond to all in the list not privately YET - but I

would surely do, please give me a while :-)I am writting an article where I am

going to publish and support my obsevations. Please wait till then, it will

come out within 2/3 days I hope.

Best wishes for all,

Tanvir

What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine.

Tanvir

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:50 AM

Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

Dear TanvirHere is a chart for lonelinessAlthough the time is rounded I am

pretty sure that Aswini is the correctrising nakshatraNative cracked under the

strain of feeling alone and isolated .Note there is a very substantial kemadrum

Yoga with no planets with the Moonor on either side and no planets aspecting the

Moon .The 11th Lord of friends is in the 12th house of losses closely

afflictedby Rahu and in the state of old age .Venus natural karaka for

relationships and doubly so as 7th Lord does verypoorly in individualistic

Aries imho .The Rahu Mahadasha (1981-1999) fully activated the affliction to

the 11thLord and his mental condition progressively deteriorated .Hope this is

helpful for your researches .I think the talented younger jyotishis like

yourself will take this divinescience far further into the public realms

..NicholasMay 18,1968Time: 5:00AM Zone: 10:00 DST: 0Longitude: 145E00

Latitude: 37S50Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:25 365.25 Day YearCurrent Period:

Ju/Sa/RaAs 05:25 Ar Aswini KeSu 03:31 Ta Krittika SuMo 15:34 Cp

Shravana MoMa 13:02 Ta Rohini MoMe 24:46 Ta Mrigsira MaJu 03:25 Le

Magha KeVe 24:25 Ar Bharani VeSa 27:06 Pi Revati MeRa 24:36 Pi

Revati MeKe 24:36 Vi Chitra MaVimshottari Dashas==================Mo

May-18-1968Ma Mar-15-1974Ra Mar-15-1981Ju Mar-16-1999Sa Mar-16-2015Me

Mar-15-2034Ke Mar-16-2051Ve Mar-15-2058Su Mar-15-2078Om Namo Bhagavate

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Dear Vivek

I think early on in the Rahu period he was in the merchant navy before his

mental health deteriorated so that is a good call from you .

I doubt however he is free from trouble since the Rahu MD did a lot of

damage .

Nicholas

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:58 PM

Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

> Dear Nicholas,

> This person has both saturn and rahu(seperative effects) in 12th

> house.

> Rahu being malefic for aries,he was bound to give strain/isolation

> and loneliness in his dasha apart from losses.Did this dasha give

> foreign travel too?If it did,then he must have suffered due to

> that too.

> Now of course he is free from trouble being in jupiter dasha and

> having good placement of jupiter in natal chart(9th lord in 5th)

> vivek.

>

> On Wed, 28 May 2003 Nicholas wrote :

> >

> >Dear Tanvir

> >Here is a chart for loneliness

> >Although the time is rounded I am pretty sure that Aswini is the

> >correct

> >rising nakshatra

> >Native cracked under the strain of feeling alone and isolated .

> >Note there is a very substantial kemadrum Yoga with no planets

> >with the Moon

> >or on either side and no planets aspecting the Moon .

> >The 11th Lord of friends is in the 12th house of losses closely

> >afflicted

> >by Rahu and in the state of old age .

> >Venus natural karaka for relationships and doubly so as 7th Lord

> >does very

> >poorly in individualistic Aries imho .

> >

> >The Rahu Mahadasha (1981-1999) fully activated the affliction to

> >the 11th

> >Lord and his mental condition progressively deteriorated .

> >

> >Hope this is helpful for your researches .

> >I think the talented younger jyotishis like yourself will take

> >this divine

> >science far further into the public realms .

> >

> >Nicholas

> >

> >May 18,1968

> >Time: 5:00AM Zone: 10:00 DST: 0

> >

> >Longitude: 145E00 Latitude: 37S50

> >Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:25 365.25 Day Year

> >Current Period: Ju/Sa/Ra

> >

> >As 05:25 Ar Aswini Ke

> >Su 03:31 Ta Krittika Su

> >Mo 15:34 Cp Shravana Mo

> >Ma 13:02 Ta Rohini Mo

> >Me 24:46 Ta Mrigsira Ma

> >Ju 03:25 Le Magha Ke

> >Ve 24:25 Ar Bharani Ve

> >Sa 27:06 Pi Revati Me

> >Ra 24:36 Pi Revati Me

> >Ke 24:36 Vi Chitra Ma

> >

> >Vimshottari Dashas

> >==================

> >Mo May-18-1968

> >Ma Mar-15-1974

> >Ra Mar-15-1981

> >Ju Mar-16-1999

> >Sa Mar-16-2015

> >Me Mar-15-2034

> >Ke Mar-16-2051

> >Ve Mar-15-2058

> >Su Mar-15-2078

> >

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May 28, 2003

Dear Cynthia,

I don't feel free to post my youngest son's birth data, but I will tell you

that he loves to play drums, and sometimes goes on long walks by himself at any

hour of the day or night.

Love,

Carol

In a message dated 5/28/2003 9:42:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, "cynthianovak"

<cynthianovak writes:

>Dear Carol

>Would you post your son's birth data? A kemadruma is very rare.

>cynthia

>-

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>Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:37 AM

>Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

>

>> Cynthia and Nicholas,

>> Your discussion has been helpful to me because I have also wondered

>about the Kemadruma yoga that my youngest son has, with unsupported Moon in

>Cancer in 12th. He seems to be fine isolating himself from everyone else

>but his favorite friends. I am the one who wishes he'd be more involved with

>family activities, which he has little desire to participate in.

>> Understanding he may need to be alone, ratrher than it being something

>wrong somewhere, helps a lot...thanks!

>> Love to all,

>> Carol Hook

May 28, 2003

Thank you Carol

It will be fascinating to watch him evolve. Are there any planets angular

to the Moon?

c

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:39 PM

Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

> Dear Cynthia,

>

> I don't feel free to post my youngest son's birth data, but I will tell

you that he loves to play drums, and sometimes goes on long walks by himself

at any hour of the day or night.

> Love,

> Carol

>

> In a message dated 5/28/2003 9:42:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,

"cynthianovak" <cynthianovak writes:

>

> >Dear Carol

> >Would you post your son's birth data? A kemadruma is very rare.

> >cynthia

> >-

> ><Carolhook

> ><gjlist>

> >Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:37 AM

> >Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

> >

> >> Cynthia and Nicholas,

> >> Your discussion has been helpful to me because I have also wondered

> >about the Kemadruma yoga that my youngest son has, with unsupported Moon

in

> >Cancer in 12th. He seems to be fine isolating himself from everyone else

> >but his favorite friends. I am the one who wishes he'd be more involved

with

> >family activities, which he has little desire to participate in.

> >> Understanding he may need to be alone, ratrher than it being something

> >wrong somewhere, helps a lot...thanks!

> >> Love to all,

> >> Carol Hook

>

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<< Are there any planets angular

to the Moon?>>

Yes - the Sun.

May 28, 2003

Hi Carol

I was taught that any planet the Sun or even the nodes angular to the Moon

nullifies the negative effects of this yoga. I have lots of experience

because I have a Moon separate from the other planets so I get loads of

clients with this placement. I've even seen one woman several times who has

no angular planet to the Moon and is still a caring competent mother, so I

suspect the "dark side" is overstated.

I like to think that we are listening to a slightly different tune in our

heads or perhaps a whole different frequency. smiles

your son has manifested a compassionate and understanding mother who knows

that he spent the last life time on the mountain top or perhaps in the

ashram.

smiles

c

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:24 PM

Re: [GJ] Loneliness: Data required

> << Are there any planets angular

> to the Moon?>>

>

> Yes - the Sun.

>

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Dear Tanvir

No problems . I am looking forward to your article .

One other thing with the chart I posted is that there are no planets in air

houses which might aggravate the communication problems .

Sorry to have been late in replying

Nicholas

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