Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 Dear Robert(and others), you have written:-- Everywhere in existence, the creative principle originates in the Atma, or soul, being placed within the womb of matter. The God Shiva sits at the seat of the 7th house astrologically, and thus is responsible for re-birth, as the soul leaves the body through the 7th house. As the Atma leaves the previous incarnation, Shiva "catches" that soul, and enters it into the womb of Parvati, who then re-creates life according to the results of that soul's karma. The Sun and Moon are respectively the karakas for Shiva and Shakti (Parvati), and thus the karakas for the creative principle and that which sustains and generates life. ---------------- How exactly is death explained in vedic scriptures? We know that the soul (consciousness) does not die.So is awareness retained non-stop? I mean,is there a period of unconsciousness before you are put in another womb(conception)? OR is one aware throughout? Secondly,when in another womb,do you recall your previous life for some period of time and forget it when you are born? Here on the material plane,one experiences three states -- waking,dream and deep sleep.When in deep slumber,one practically does not exist as awareness is switched off completely.Yet people are not afraid of going to sleep but are afraid of dying. I would like to hear GJLIST members views on death. vivek. On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 Robert A. Koch wrote : >Dear Nelle, > >At 05:14 PM 3/1/03 +0000, you wrote: > >>Dear Robert Koch, >> >>Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge in interpreting G >>W >>Bush's natal chart. > >Thank you for your interest, Nelle, and thanks too to others such >as Cynthia et al, who had written to me here, and privately also >re: analyses of Bush, etc. We can take all this a bit further, >time willing of course, so let me quote your question first, and >then I will respond: > >>Would you now speak of his dasas and transits since >>inauguration? >> >>Also, I am sorry that I missed why you choose lagna dasa instead >>of >>moon dasa? Thank you for your explanations. > >Thank you for your questions. Let me respond in this way: > >CHOICE OF DASAS > >As Parasara advises, Vimsottari dasa, calculated from the Moon's >naksatra, is the most versatile and universally applicable for >all predictive methods in Jyotish. This is true, and experience >bears it out: the "go-to" dasa is lunar calculated Vim. dasa, >and this fills the need in a majority of instances. However, it >doesn't always satisfy. There are some reasons why this might be >so, and possible perspectives for which are as follows: > >SUN AND MOON AS KARAKAS OF CREATION AND CONSCIOUSNESS > >Everywhere in existence, the creative principle originates in the >Atma, or soul, being placed within the womb of matter. The God >Shiva sits at the seat of the 7th house astrologically, and thus >is responsible for re-birth, as the soul leaves the body through >the 7th house. As the Atma leaves the previous incarnation, >Shiva "catches" that soul, and enters it into the womb of >Parvati, who then re-creates life according to the results of >that soul's karma. The Sun and Moon are respectively the >karakas for Shiva and Shakti (Parvati), and thus the karakas for >the creative principle and that which sustains and generates >life. > >Now, the ascendant of the chart is the beginning of creation, and >on a larger scale is symbolized by the God Brahma, who sits at >the seat of the 1st house. Given that, according to Vedic >symbolisms, creation comes forth through the intelligence of >Brahma, Dhi-shakti, or the empowerment of intelligence or >executive strength in a living being, is seen from the first >house, and its trines the 5th and 9th. This invests much >significance to the Sun, the karaka of the 1st house or >ascendent, as the point from which re-birth after death takes >place, as well as its being the source of creative energy, >resourcefulness, and intelligence. This is why the Sun is very >important in the charts of presidents and leaders, while the >lagna and its naksatra of placement, is a more significant >vantage point from which to calculate the Vimsottari dasas of >such persons. > >LEFT AND RIGHT BRAIN HEMISPHERES > >Being the significator executive intelligence, the Sun represents >the left brain astrologically, whereas the Moon represents the >right. Vedic gods who represent each, are the gurus of the >Devas (divine) and Daityas (demonic), i..e Brihaspati and Shukra >respectively, while their specific karakas are Jupiter and Venus >respectively. People who are left-handed, will most often have >Venus in a trine to Rahu, or conjoined with Rahu, a point which >may illustrate why the majority of people are right-handed. >Venus, representing the demonic class as Shukra, and Rahu being >illustrative of forces "beyond the veil", show that those leaning >more toward the right brain, are fewer than those leaning toward >the left. (Bear in mind, I am only speaking rhetorically here, >and not intending to create polar opposites). Venus and the Moon >are chiefly responsible for intuitive functions, whereas Jupiter >and the Sun are responsible for intelligence and analytical >functions. Dasas periods can be calculated from the lagna whose >karaka is the Sun, and Moon respectively for whatever is more >appropriate to the native of the horoscope being studied. > >PICK YOUR DASAS! > >The Moon, indicating the public or the masses, as well as >perceptive levels of consciousness, will work fine as a vantage >point from which to calculated dasas for most persons. For >persons in positions of power, or all those taking positions of >leadership or showing creative intelligence, the lagna will be a >better vantage point. This is why I chose the lagna-calculated >dasas for G.W. Bush, and do so also for other world-leaders. In >all other charts, if there are more planets in kendras to the >lagna in a chart, or in kendras to the Sun, then the >lagna-calculated dasas will be more accurate. If, on the other >hand, there are more planets in kendras to the Moon, or to the >Arudha lagna, then calculating from the Moon naksatra will work >better. Try to understand here, the difference between the lagna >as the course of creation and intelligence, as well as vision and >truth (Satya) and its karaka the Sun on the one hand; and the >passive levels of perception through which everyone experiences >life, the karaka for which is the Moon. > >G.W. BUSH > >Considering the above, Mr. Bush is now in the Vims. dasa of the >Moon (lagna calculated), with the Sub-period of Rahu operative, >and sub-sub period of Mars. Now you can see how the issue of >war has become a major driving point in his administration at >present. Frankly, this is not a good time for anybody or world >leader to become Bush's adversary. In the Dasamsa chart (10th >harmonic), Mars is exalted in the 7th house with Jupiter, and in >mutual exchange with Saturn in the 10th. Rahu sits in the 3rd, >in a rather powerful sign (Virgo), making aspects to >Mars/Jupiter. Maybe subliminally, Bush wants to expedite the >war, i.e. get it going, as the sub-period of Jupiter coming up on >March 21, is not quite the catalyst that one would wish for if >wanting to launch a military offensive. > >Projecting ahead, I agree with Cynthia, who doubted that Bush >would get re-elected in 2004. At that time, it will be Saturn's >sub-period, starting 7/20/2004. Saturn's transit at the time, >will still be in Gemini, which is Bush's 12th house, while his >natal lordship is of the 7th house. So, popularity dips due to >Saturn natally on the ascendant during the time of that >sub-period, while the lord of the 7th house in transit going to >the 12th, all but tips the popularity pole almost entirely in >favor of the Democrats. > >In Navamsa Saturn in Gemini will transit the 8th house, while in >Dasamsa, it will be transiting the 12th. If public appreciation >and support is a barometer for the presidents's success, we can >all but conclude that he will have a hard time putting together a >win in November of 2004. Note too, that in that rasi chart, D-9, >and D-10 charts Saturn is either in an enemy's sign, or in >debilitation. This does not auger well for re-election. > >Transit of Rahu and Ketu will be respectively in the 10th and 4th >houses of Bush's during the election year. Their varga positions >in the Dasamsa chart on exactly 11/6/2004, will be in >Gemini/Sagittarius. Considering that 3 key planets are in Sag., >including lagna lord Moon in Bush's D-10, it will be hard to >muster up a re-election when Ketu is in that sign on the date of >the election. > >Finally, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Time will >tell as to whether the lunar calculated Vim. dasa for Bush of >Saturn/Jupiter produces the opposite of what is concluded above! >We shall see...... > >Anyway, that's a whole lot to swallow at once! I'm out of here >for today, and thanks for listening/reading. > >Best wishes, >Robert > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer >Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and, >http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or >Ph: 541.318.0248 _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. Just Rs.1499/year. To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 Dear Vivek My understanding is that the soul remains dormant in the womb for 6 months or so .In the last 3months there is a period when the soul can see it's previous lives . Due to the confined condition the soul is eager to be released . Nicholas - "Vivek " <keviv90 <gjlist> Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:03 PM [GJ] Death > Dear Robert(and others), > you have written:-- > > Everywhere in existence, the creative principle originates in the > Atma, or soul, being placed within the womb of matter. The God > Shiva sits at the seat of the 7th house astrologically, and thus > is responsible for re-birth, as the soul leaves the body through > the 7th house. As the Atma leaves the previous incarnation, Shiva > "catches" that soul, and enters it into the womb of Parvati, who > then re-creates life according to the results of that soul's > karma. The Sun and Moon are respectively the karakas for Shiva > and Shakti (Parvati), and thus the karakas for the creative > principle and that which sustains and generates life. > ---------------- How exactly is death explained in vedic > scriptures? > We know that the soul (consciousness) does not die.So is awareness > retained non-stop? I mean,is there a period of unconsciousness > before you are put in another womb(conception)? OR is one aware > throughout? > Secondly,when in another womb,do you recall your previous life for > some period of time and forget it when you are born? > Here on the material plane,one experiences three states -- > waking,dream and deep sleep.When in deep slumber,one practically > does not exist as awareness is switched off completely.Yet people > are not afraid of going to sleep but are afraid of dying. > I would like to hear GJLIST members views on death. > vivek. > > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 Robert A. Koch wrote : > >Dear Nelle, > > > >At 05:14 PM 3/1/03 +0000, you wrote: > > > >>Dear Robert Koch, > >> > >>Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge in interpreting G > >>W > >>Bush's natal chart. > > > >Thank you for your interest, Nelle, and thanks too to others such > >as Cynthia et al, who had written to me here, and privately also > >re: analyses of Bush, etc. We can take all this a bit further, > >time willing of course, so let me quote your question first, and > >then I will respond: > > > >>Would you now speak of his dasas and transits since > >>inauguration? > >> > >>Also, I am sorry that I missed why you choose lagna dasa instead > >>of > >>moon dasa? Thank you for your explanations. > > > >Thank you for your questions. Let me respond in this way: > > > >CHOICE OF DASAS > > > >As Parasara advises, Vimsottari dasa, calculated from the Moon's > >naksatra, is the most versatile and universally applicable for > >all predictive methods in Jyotish. This is true, and experience > >bears it out: the "go-to" dasa is lunar calculated Vim. dasa, > >and this fills the need in a majority of instances. However, it > >doesn't always satisfy. There are some reasons why this might be > >so, and possible perspectives for which are as follows: > > > >SUN AND MOON AS KARAKAS OF CREATION AND CONSCIOUSNESS > > > >Everywhere in existence, the creative principle originates in the > >Atma, or soul, being placed within the womb of matter. The God > >Shiva sits at the seat of the 7th house astrologically, and thus > >is responsible for re-birth, as the soul leaves the body through > >the 7th house. As the Atma leaves the previous incarnation, > >Shiva "catches" that soul, and enters it into the womb of > >Parvati, who then re-creates life according to the results of > >that soul's karma. The Sun and Moon are respectively the > >karakas for Shiva and Shakti (Parvati), and thus the karakas for > >the creative principle and that which sustains and generates > >life. > > > >Now, the ascendant of the chart is the beginning of creation, and > >on a larger scale is symbolized by the God Brahma, who sits at > >the seat of the 1st house. Given that, according to Vedic > >symbolisms, creation comes forth through the intelligence of > >Brahma, Dhi-shakti, or the empowerment of intelligence or > >executive strength in a living being, is seen from the first > >house, and its trines the 5th and 9th. This invests much > >significance to the Sun, the karaka of the 1st house or > >ascendent, as the point from which re-birth after death takes > >place, as well as its being the source of creative energy, > >resourcefulness, and intelligence. This is why the Sun is very > >important in the charts of presidents and leaders, while the > >lagna and its naksatra of placement, is a more significant > >vantage point from which to calculate the Vimsottari dasas of > >such persons. > > > >LEFT AND RIGHT BRAIN HEMISPHERES > > > >Being the significator executive intelligence, the Sun represents > >the left brain astrologically, whereas the Moon represents the > >right. Vedic gods who represent each, are the gurus of the > >Devas (divine) and Daityas (demonic), i..e Brihaspati and Shukra > >respectively, while their specific karakas are Jupiter and Venus > >respectively. People who are left-handed, will most often have > >Venus in a trine to Rahu, or conjoined with Rahu, a point which > >may illustrate why the majority of people are right-handed. > >Venus, representing the demonic class as Shukra, and Rahu being > >illustrative of forces "beyond the veil", show that those leaning > >more toward the right brain, are fewer than those leaning toward > >the left. (Bear in mind, I am only speaking rhetorically here, > >and not intending to create polar opposites). Venus and the Moon > >are chiefly responsible for intuitive functions, whereas Jupiter > >and the Sun are responsible for intelligence and analytical > >functions. Dasas periods can be calculated from the lagna whose > >karaka is the Sun, and Moon respectively for whatever is more > >appropriate to the native of the horoscope being studied. > > > >PICK YOUR DASAS! > > > >The Moon, indicating the public or the masses, as well as > >perceptive levels of consciousness, will work fine as a vantage > >point from which to calculated dasas for most persons. For > >persons in positions of power, or all those taking positions of > >leadership or showing creative intelligence, the lagna will be a > >better vantage point. This is why I chose the lagna-calculated > >dasas for G.W. Bush, and do so also for other world-leaders. In > >all other charts, if there are more planets in kendras to the > >lagna in a chart, or in kendras to the Sun, then the > >lagna-calculated dasas will be more accurate. If, on the other > >hand, there are more planets in kendras to the Moon, or to the > >Arudha lagna, then calculating from the Moon naksatra will work > >better. Try to understand here, the difference between the lagna > >as the course of creation and intelligence, as well as vision and > >truth (Satya) and its karaka the Sun on the one hand; and the > >passive levels of perception through which everyone experiences > >life, the karaka for which is the Moon. > > > >G.W. BUSH > > > >Considering the above, Mr. Bush is now in the Vims. dasa of the > >Moon (lagna calculated), with the Sub-period of Rahu operative, > >and sub-sub period of Mars. Now you can see how the issue of > >war has become a major driving point in his administration at > >present. Frankly, this is not a good time for anybody or world > >leader to become Bush's adversary. In the Dasamsa chart (10th > >harmonic), Mars is exalted in the 7th house with Jupiter, and in > >mutual exchange with Saturn in the 10th. Rahu sits in the 3rd, > >in a rather powerful sign (Virgo), making aspects to > >Mars/Jupiter. Maybe subliminally, Bush wants to expedite the > >war, i.e. get it going, as the sub-period of Jupiter coming up on > >March 21, is not quite the catalyst that one would wish for if > >wanting to launch a military offensive. > > > >Projecting ahead, I agree with Cynthia, who doubted that Bush > >would get re-elected in 2004. At that time, it will be Saturn's > >sub-period, starting 7/20/2004. Saturn's transit at the time, > >will still be in Gemini, which is Bush's 12th house, while his > >natal lordship is of the 7th house. So, popularity dips due to > >Saturn natally on the ascendant during the time of that > >sub-period, while the lord of the 7th house in transit going to > >the 12th, all but tips the popularity pole almost entirely in > >favor of the Democrats. > > > >In Navamsa Saturn in Gemini will transit the 8th house, while in > >Dasamsa, it will be transiting the 12th. If public appreciation > >and support is a barometer for the presidents's success, we can > >all but conclude that he will have a hard time putting together a > >win in November of 2004. Note too, that in that rasi chart, D-9, > >and D-10 charts Saturn is either in an enemy's sign, or in > >debilitation. This does not auger well for re-election. > > > >Transit of Rahu and Ketu will be respectively in the 10th and 4th > >houses of Bush's during the election year. Their varga positions > >in the Dasamsa chart on exactly 11/6/2004, will be in > >Gemini/Sagittarius. Considering that 3 key planets are in Sag., > >including lagna lord Moon in Bush's D-10, it will be hard to > >muster up a re-election when Ketu is in that sign on the date of > >the election. > > > >Finally, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Time will > >tell as to whether the lunar calculated Vim. dasa for Bush of > >Saturn/Jupiter produces the opposite of what is concluded above! > >We shall see...... > > > >Anyway, that's a whole lot to swallow at once! I'm out of here > >for today, and thanks for listening/reading. > > > >Best wishes, > >Robert > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > >Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA > >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and, > >http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or > >Ph: 541.318.0248 > > > > _ > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > Just Rs.1499/year. > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Nicholas, Is the dormant state you mention,the same as deep sleep? I suppose that after seeing it's previous lives in the last months,the soul gradually forgets all that and at birth remembers nothing. In rare instances of course one remembers past lives even after birth.Though such cases are very rare. vivek. On Fri, 30 May 2003 Nicholas wrote : >Dear Vivek >My understanding is that the soul remains dormant in the womb for >6 months >or so .In the last 3months there is a period when the soul can >see it's >previous lives . Due to the confined condition the soul is eager >to be >released . >Nicholas >- > "Vivek " <keviv90 ><gjlist> >Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:03 PM >[GJ] Death > > > > Dear Robert(and others), > > you have written:-- > > > > Everywhere in existence, the creative principle originates in >the > > Atma, or soul, being placed within the womb of matter. The >God > > Shiva sits at the seat of the 7th house astrologically, and >thus > > is responsible for re-birth, as the soul leaves the body >through > > the 7th house. As the Atma leaves the previous incarnation, >Shiva > > "catches" that soul, and enters it into the womb of Parvati, >who > > then re-creates life according to the results of that soul's > > karma. The Sun and Moon are respectively the karakas for >Shiva > > and Shakti (Parvati), and thus the karakas for the creative > > principle and that which sustains and generates life. > > ---------------- How exactly is death explained in vedic > > scriptures? > > We know that the soul (consciousness) does not die.So is >awareness > > retained non-stop? I mean,is there a period of >unconsciousness > > before you are put in another womb(conception)? OR is one >aware > > throughout? > > Secondly,when in another womb,do you recall your previous life >for > > some period of time and forget it when you are born? > > Here on the material plane,one experiences three states -- > > waking,dream and deep sleep.When in deep slumber,one >practically > > does not exist as awareness is switched off completely.Yet >people > > are not afraid of going to sleep but are afraid of dying. > > I would like to hear GJLIST members views on death. > > vivek. > > > > > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 Robert A. Koch wrote : > > >Dear Nelle, > > > > > >At 05:14 PM 3/1/03 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > >>Dear Robert Koch, > > >> > > >>Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge in >interpreting G > > >>W > > >>Bush's natal chart. > > > > > >Thank you for your interest, Nelle, and thanks too to others >such > > >as Cynthia et al, who had written to me here, and privately >also > > >re: analyses of Bush, etc. We can take all this a bit >further, > > >time willing of course, so let me quote your question first, >and > > >then I will respond: > > > > > >>Would you now speak of his dasas and transits since > > >>inauguration? > > >> > > >>Also, I am sorry that I missed why you choose lagna dasa >instead > > >>of > > >>moon dasa? Thank you for your explanations. > > > > > >Thank you for your questions. Let me respond in this way: > > > > > >CHOICE OF DASAS > > > > > >As Parasara advises, Vimsottari dasa, calculated from the >Moon's > > >naksatra, is the most versatile and universally applicable >for > > >all predictive methods in Jyotish. This is true, and >experience > > >bears it out: the "go-to" dasa is lunar calculated Vim. >dasa, > > >and this fills the need in a majority of instances. >However, it > > >doesn't always satisfy. There are some reasons why this >might be > > >so, and possible perspectives for which are as follows: > > > > > >SUN AND MOON AS KARAKAS OF CREATION AND CONSCIOUSNESS > > > > > >Everywhere in existence, the creative principle originates in >the > > >Atma, or soul, being placed within the womb of matter. The >God > > >Shiva sits at the seat of the 7th house astrologically, and >thus > > >is responsible for re-birth, as the soul leaves the body >through > > >the 7th house. As the Atma leaves the previous >incarnation, > > >Shiva "catches" that soul, and enters it into the womb of > > >Parvati, who then re-creates life according to the results >of > > >that soul's karma. The Sun and Moon are respectively the > > >karakas for Shiva and Shakti (Parvati), and thus the karakas >for > > >the creative principle and that which sustains and >generates > > >life. > > > > > >Now, the ascendant of the chart is the beginning of creation, >and > > >on a larger scale is symbolized by the God Brahma, who sits >at > > >the seat of the 1st house. Given that, according to Vedic > > >symbolisms, creation comes forth through the intelligence >of > > >Brahma, Dhi-shakti, or the empowerment of intelligence or > > >executive strength in a living being, is seen from the >first > > >house, and its trines the 5th and 9th. This invests much > > >significance to the Sun, the karaka of the 1st house or > > >ascendent, as the point from which re-birth after death >takes > > >place, as well as its being the source of creative energy, > > >resourcefulness, and intelligence. This is why the Sun is >very > > >important in the charts of presidents and leaders, while >the > > >lagna and its naksatra of placement, is a more significant > > >vantage point from which to calculate the Vimsottari dasas >of > > >such persons. > > > > > >LEFT AND RIGHT BRAIN HEMISPHERES > > > > > >Being the significator executive intelligence, the Sun >represents > > >the left brain astrologically, whereas the Moon represents >the > > >right. Vedic gods who represent each, are the gurus of >the > > >Devas (divine) and Daityas (demonic), i..e Brihaspati and >Shukra > > >respectively, while their specific karakas are Jupiter and >Venus > > >respectively. People who are left-handed, will most often >have > > >Venus in a trine to Rahu, or conjoined with Rahu, a point >which > > >may illustrate why the majority of people are right-handed. > > >Venus, representing the demonic class as Shukra, and Rahu >being > > >illustrative of forces "beyond the veil", show that those >leaning > > >more toward the right brain, are fewer than those leaning >toward > > >the left. (Bear in mind, I am only speaking rhetorically >here, > > >and not intending to create polar opposites). Venus and the >Moon > > >are chiefly responsible for intuitive functions, whereas >Jupiter > > >and the Sun are responsible for intelligence and analytical > > >functions. Dasas periods can be calculated from the lagna >whose > > >karaka is the Sun, and Moon respectively for whatever is >more > > >appropriate to the native of the horoscope being studied. > > > > > >PICK YOUR DASAS! > > > > > >The Moon, indicating the public or the masses, as well as > > >perceptive levels of consciousness, will work fine as a >vantage > > >point from which to calculated dasas for most persons. >For > > >persons in positions of power, or all those taking positions >of > > >leadership or showing creative intelligence, the lagna will >be a > > >better vantage point. This is why I chose the >lagna-calculated > > >dasas for G.W. Bush, and do so also for other world-leaders. >In > > >all other charts, if there are more planets in kendras to >the > > >lagna in a chart, or in kendras to the Sun, then the > > >lagna-calculated dasas will be more accurate. If, on the >other > > >hand, there are more planets in kendras to the Moon, or to >the > > >Arudha lagna, then calculating from the Moon naksatra will >work > > >better. Try to understand here, the difference between the >lagna > > >as the course of creation and intelligence, as well as vision >and > > >truth (Satya) and its karaka the Sun on the one hand; and >the > > >passive levels of perception through which everyone >experiences > > >life, the karaka for which is the Moon. > > > > > >G.W. BUSH > > > > > >Considering the above, Mr. Bush is now in the Vims. dasa of >the > > >Moon (lagna calculated), with the Sub-period of Rahu >operative, > > >and sub-sub period of Mars. Now you can see how the issue >of > > >war has become a major driving point in his administration >at > > >present. Frankly, this is not a good time for anybody or >world > > >leader to become Bush's adversary. In the Dasamsa chart >(10th > > >harmonic), Mars is exalted in the 7th house with Jupiter, and >in > > >mutual exchange with Saturn in the 10th. Rahu sits in the >3rd, > > >in a rather powerful sign (Virgo), making aspects to > > >Mars/Jupiter. Maybe subliminally, Bush wants to expedite >the > > >war, i.e. get it going, as the sub-period of Jupiter coming >up on > > >March 21, is not quite the catalyst that one would wish for >if > > >wanting to launch a military offensive. > > > > > >Projecting ahead, I agree with Cynthia, who doubted that >Bush > > >would get re-elected in 2004. At that time, it will be >Saturn's > > >sub-period, starting 7/20/2004. Saturn's transit at the >time, > > >will still be in Gemini, which is Bush's 12th house, while >his > > >natal lordship is of the 7th house. So, popularity dips due >to > > >Saturn natally on the ascendant during the time of that > > >sub-period, while the lord of the 7th house in transit going >to > > >the 12th, all but tips the popularity pole almost entirely >in > > >favor of the Democrats. > > > > > >In Navamsa Saturn in Gemini will transit the 8th house, while >in > > >Dasamsa, it will be transiting the 12th. If public >appreciation > > >and support is a barometer for the presidents's success, we >can > > >all but conclude that he will have a hard time putting >together a > > >win in November of 2004. Note too, that in that rasi chart, >D-9, > > >and D-10 charts Saturn is either in an enemy's sign, or in > > >debilitation. This does not auger well for re-election. > > > > > >Transit of Rahu and Ketu will be respectively in the 10th and >4th > > >houses of Bush's during the election year. Their varga >positions > > >in the Dasamsa chart on exactly 11/6/2004, will be in > > >Gemini/Sagittarius. Considering that 3 key planets are in >Sag., > > >including lagna lord Moon in Bush's D-10, it will be hard >to > > >muster up a re-election when Ketu is in that sign on the date >of > > >the election. > > > > > >Finally, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Time >will > > >tell as to whether the lunar calculated Vim. dasa for Bush >of > > >Saturn/Jupiter produces the opposite of what is concluded >above! > > >We shall see...... > > > > > >Anyway, that's a whole lot to swallow at once! I'm out of >here > > >for today, and thanks for listening/reading. > > > > > >Best wishes, > > >Robert > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >Robert A. 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Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Vivek > Dear Nicholas, > Is the dormant state you mention,the same as deep sleep? A COMATOSE STATE THAT ADDS FORGETFULNESS . EVEN LORD BRAHMA BECOMES FORGETFUL AFTER LYING DOWN FOR A LONG BREAK > I suppose that after seeing it's previous lives in the last > months,the soul gradually forgets all that and at birth remembers > nothing. INTERESTING IN THIS REGARD IS THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE'S LIFE FLASHES BEFORE THEIR EYES JUST BEFORE THEY DIE . A FRIEND OF MINE WHOSE GRANDFATHER HAD FLED AND HIS FROM THE NAZIS TOTALLY RELIVED THE EXPERIENCE THE DAY BEFORE HE DIED . THEREFORE THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE NEXT BODY IS THE ACCUMULATION OF ONE'S ACTIVITIES IN THIS ONE . IF ONE HAS PERFORMED SATVIC ACTIONS SHE WILL GET A SATVIC BODY FOR LESS SUFFERING AND BETTER DEVELOPED CONSCIOUSNESS . > In rare instances of course one remembers past lives even after > birth.Though such cases are very rare. YES RARE BUT THERE ARE ENOUGH CASES TO GIVE VERY STRONG SUPPORT TO THE IDEA OF REINCARNATION . IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED AND SCIENTIFIC .SUCH AS CASES WHERE BIRTHMARKS APPEAR ON A BODY IN THE PLACE WHERE THE SUBJECT WAS FATLLY INJURED IN A PREVIOUS INCARNATION .ONE STRANGE CASE I HEARD WAS A MAN WHO BROKE INTO COLD SWEATS WHENEVER ASKED EVEN A SIMPLE QUESTION LIKE WHAT IS YOUR NAME ? UNDER PAST LIFE REGRESSION THERAPY IT TURNED OUT THAT HE HAD DIED UNDER INTERROGATION IN HIS PREVIOUS LIFE . THE NAME HE GAVE WAS CONFIRMED IN THE MILITARY RECORDS AS THAT OF A SOLDIER WHO HAD GONE MISSING IN ACTION Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Vivek <keviv90 (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: ---------------- How exactly is death explained in vedic scriptures?We know that the soul (consciousness) does not die.So is awareness retained non-stop? I mean,is there a period of unconsciousness before you are put in another womb(conception)? OR is one aware throughout?Secondly,when in another womb,do you recall your previous life for some period of time and forget it when you are born?Here on the material plane,one experiences three states -- waking,dream and deep sleep.When in deep slumber,one practically does not exist as awareness is switched off completely.Yet people are not afraid of going to sleep but are afraid of dying.I would like to hear GJLIST members views on death.vivek. Dear Vivek, I do not have any vedic viewpoint on death. I am still trying to understand the vedic view of life. However, these are my views on death: I do not believe one loses consciousness or awareness. I believe one retains memories of this life as well as any others. I believe it is the birth process which stores our collective memories in hard to access areas of the brain so as not to interfere with the learning process of this life. If we remembered our previous lives, it would be truly difficult to test ourselves in this one. Well, now I'm talking about my opinions on life. Back to death: I believe that the fear of death is composed of the composite of the fear of pain and the fear of the unknown. I do not fear death, but I do fear a painful dying process. I fear the pain of disease and I fear the pain of a willful murder. But death itself does not frighten me (yes, easy to say since I'm not knowingly in imminent expectation of it). I think this is due to my usually ignoring the unknown. I have found that fearful anticipation of an unpleasant event in life is usually far worse than the actuality of the event ends up being. One of two things happens, either I avoid the event completely (so why worry about it), or I face the problem and the relief of its being over coupled with the reality of its not being that bad afterall makes me feel stupid for having been fearful of it. So, why fear the unknowingness of death? I'll just deal with it when it comes. There are some events which help me take this view. After my father died some years ago, I saw him very clearly seated next to me in his car the first time I drove it some 3 or 4 days after his death. At first, I thought it might be a memory, but he sat looking at me, smiling, which was not his practice. He either drove, or dozed in the passenger seat. He was not much of a smiler. Second, late one night after having spent the day thinking about him and talking with him (while I attended an X-files convention, 4 months after his death, where the psychic Sylvia Browne had been "seeing" people's loved ones) I stopped at a local gas station set on a slight rise far back from the corner of a major intersection. It was very late and I was tired. I parked the car far from the street and entered the mini-mart. My car decided to leave the gas station and roll downhill and come to a stop in the middle of the street. There was some commotion outside which I ignored since I was tired. Some 4 or 5 minutes later, when I came out, I was rather surprised to find the car about a hundred yards away. Luckily it was late and there was very little traffic. I started to run toward the car when I thought to myself that running out into a major street in the dark to get into a dark car parked perpendicular to traffic could be dangerous. The second that thought completed itself, the car started rolling itself back uphill towards me (some 20 yards away) and came to a complete stop (still inclined) where all I had to do was reach 4 inches for the handle of the car door. Through the window, for the second time, I saw my father. Was it imagination? I don't know. I don't think so. But that's up to everyone else to decide for themselves. Since then, his presence diminished till I could no longer feel his presence, and I have never seen him again. Either way, I guess I'm trying to say that I think we retain our memories after death and do not lose consciousness. I'm not sure if this is what you were asking for, but it's what I have to offer. To quote Nicolas, I hope it helps. -Mary Quinn Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Dear Nicholas, Thank you.Your reply is very informative. You have written:- ..ONE STRANGE CASE I HEARD WAS A MAN WHO BROKE INTO COLD SWEATS WHENEVER ASKED EVEN A SIMPLE QUESTION LIKE WHAT IS YOUR NAME ? UNDER PAST LIFE REGRESSION THERAPY IT TURNED OUT THAT HE HAD DIED UNDER INTERROGATION IN HIS PREVIOUS LIFE ---------------------- I wish to know more about past life regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand it has to do with hypnotism. From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a recognised branch of medical science. If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been to a hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their experience? vivek. On Fri, 30 May 2003 Nicholas wrote : > >Dear Vivek > > Dear Nicholas, > > Is the dormant state you mention,the same as deep sleep? >A COMATOSE STATE THAT ADDS FORGETFULNESS . EVEN LORD BRAHMA >BECOMES >FORGETFUL AFTER LYING DOWN FOR A LONG BREAK > > I suppose that after seeing it's previous lives in the last > > months,the soul gradually forgets all that and at birth >remembers > > nothing. > >INTERESTING IN THIS REGARD IS THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE'S LIFE >FLASHES BEFORE >THEIR EYES JUST BEFORE THEY DIE . A FRIEND OF MINE WHOSE >GRANDFATHER HAD >FLED AND HIS FROM THE NAZIS TOTALLY RELIVED THE EXPERIENCE THE >DAY BEFORE HE >DIED . THEREFORE THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE NEXT BODY IS THE >ACCUMULATION OF >ONE'S ACTIVITIES IN THIS ONE . IF ONE HAS PERFORMED SATVIC >ACTIONS SHE WILL >GET A SATVIC BODY FOR LESS SUFFERING AND BETTER DEVELOPED >CONSCIOUSNESS . > > > In rare instances of course one remembers past lives even >after > > birth.Though such cases are very rare. > >YES RARE BUT THERE ARE ENOUGH CASES TO GIVE VERY STRONG SUPPORT >TO THE IDEA >OF REINCARNATION . >IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED AND SCIENTIFIC .SUCH AS CASES WHERE >BIRTHMARKS APPEAR >ON A BODY IN THE PLACE WHERE THE SUBJECT WAS FATLLY INJURED IN A >PREVIOUS >INCARNATION .ONE STRANGE CASE I HEARD WAS A MAN WHO BROKE INTO >COLD SWEATS >WHENEVER ASKED EVEN A SIMPLE QUESTION LIKE WHAT IS YOUR NAME ? >UNDER PAST >LIFE REGRESSION THERAPY IT TURNED OUT THAT HE HAD DIED UNDER >INTERROGATION >IN HIS PREVIOUS LIFE . THE NAME HE GAVE WAS CONFIRMED IN THE >MILITARY >RECORDS AS THAT OF A SOLDIER WHO HAD GONE MISSING IN ACTION > >Nicholas > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. Just Rs.1499/year. To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Dear Mary, Thank you for sharing your experience regarding your father. You have written:- late one night after having spent the day thinking about him and talking with him (while I attended an X-files convention, 4 months after his death, where the psychic Sylvia Browne had been "seeing" people's loved ones) -------------------------- Did you actually communicate or talk to him through this psychic? vivek. On Fri, 30 May 2003 Mary Quinn wrote : >Vivek <keviv90 wrote: >---------------- How exactly is death explained in vedic >scriptures? >We know that the soul (consciousness) does not die.So is >awareness >retained non-stop? I mean,is there a period of unconsciousness >before you are put in another womb(conception)? OR is one aware >throughout? >Secondly,when in another womb,do you recall your previous life >for >some period of time and forget it when you are born? >Here on the material plane,one experiences three states -- >waking,dream and deep sleep.When in deep slumber,one >practically >does not exist as awareness is switched off completely.Yet >people >are not afraid of going to sleep but are afraid of dying. >I would like to hear GJLIST members views on death. >vivek. > > >Dear Vivek, > >I do not have any vedic viewpoint on death. I am still trying to >understand the vedic view of life. However, these are my views on >death: > >I do not believe one loses consciousness or awareness. I believe >one retains memories of this life as well as any others. I >believe it is the birth process which stores our collective >memories in hard to access areas of the brain so as not to >interfere with the learning process of this life. If we >remembered our previous lives, it would be truly difficult to >test ourselves in this one. Well, now I'm talking about my >opinions on life. Back to death: I believe that the fear of death >is composed of the composite of the fear of pain and the fear of >the unknown. I do not fear death, but I do fear a painful dying >process. I fear the pain of disease and I fear the pain of a >willful murder. But death itself does not frighten me (yes, easy >to say since I'm not knowingly in imminent expectation of it). I >think this is due to my usually ignoring the unknown. I have >found that fearful anticipation of an unpleasant event in life is >usually far worse than the actuality of the event ends up being. >One of two things happens, either I avoid the event completely >(so why worry about it), or I face the problem and the relief of >its being over coupled with the reality of its not being that bad >afterall makes me feel stupid for having been fearful of it. So, >why fear the unknowingness of death? I'll just deal with it when >it comes. > >There are some events which help me take this view. After my >father died some years ago, I saw him very clearly seated next to >me in his car the first time I drove it some 3 or 4 days after >his death. At first, I thought it might be a memory, but he sat >looking at me, smiling, which was not his practice. He either >drove, or dozed in the passenger seat. He was not much of a >smiler. Second, late one night after having spent the day >thinking about him and talking with him (while I attended an >X-files convention, 4 months after his death, where the psychic >Sylvia Browne had been "seeing" people's loved ones) I stopped at >a local gas station set on a slight rise far back from the corner >of a major intersection. It was very late and I was tired. I >parked the car far from the street and entered the mini-mart. My >car decided to leave the gas station and roll downhill and come >to a stop in the middle of the street. There was some commotion >outside which I ignored since I was tired. Some 4 or 5 minutes >later, when I came out, I was rather surprised to find the car >about a hundred yards away. Luckily it was late and there was >very little traffic. I started to run toward the car when I >thought to myself that running out into a major street in the >dark to get into a dark car parked perpendicular to traffic could >be dangerous. The second that thought completed itself, the car >started rolling itself back uphill towards me (some 20 yards >away) and came to a complete stop (still inclined) where all I >had to do was reach 4 inches for the handle of the car door. >Through the window, for the second time, I saw my father. Was it >imagination? I don't know. I don't think so. But that's up to >everyone else to decide for themselves. Since then, his presence >diminished till I could no longer feel his presence, and I have >never seen him again. Either way, I guess I'm trying to say that >I think we retain our memories after death and do not lose >consciousness. > >I'm not sure if this is what you were asking for, but it's what I >have to offer. To quote Nicolas, I hope it helps. > >-Mary Quinn > > > > > > >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. Just Rs.1499/year. To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Dear Vivek Yes patients can recover from past life therapy . In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that befell him when asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was . So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was a trauma he had undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to be afraid when someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his fears had a rational cause . So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems when people have "irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed spaces . It seems in many cases the person died from these causes in a previous life . Nicholas > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past life > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand it has to > do with hypnotism. > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a recognised > branch of medical science. > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been to a > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their experience? > vivek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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