Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Tanvir, I really appreciate your innate urge and enthusiasm to help the mankind by utilising your God gifted power in Vedic Astrology. It is heartening to observe young people like you coming forward with all open mind and start studying the very depth field of Hindu Astrology with no prejudices and inhibition. It is certain you shall be crowned with all success for your hard and sincere efforts. You have made a lot good observation in your write up on "Loneliness". But then I have got my own blocks in understanding few of the concepts as projected by you. Loneliness can it not be broadly divided in to Two categories as One, proffered or intentional and the other forced or compelled. If I am right, it has been your desire to stress on the later type in your article. Did you not feel that, persons with predominant Saturnine influence on the First house and also on Third house more often than not choose to be rather not surrounded by the people, even by the relatives. This could be the reason owing to their inborn introvert nature. Hence any combination which indicates introvertness can make a native to coil himself farthering from worldly affair. The degree differs based on several other factors. Here persons with such combination easily gets agitated by mingling with other people. They feel more comfort and result oriented being alone and apart. As you might have observed, most of the Sadhakas, of any kind, would have Saturn influencing on many houses and planets. This becomes essential for achieving their goals. The seclusion shall be what they sought after all. You have rightly observed that, 12th lord leads for loneliness. Then, the nature of the 12th lord have got much to tell here. Basically 12th lord acts as seperatative influence along with afflicted Sun, Mars and Rahu. Excess effects of these elements results in negation of beneficial results that could have accrued from the subjected house matters. Say, if anybody has got in their 4th house Rahu posited in signs identical to Aries, Capricorn, Leo........, along with 12th lord and this combination receives aspect from afflicted Mars or/and Sun that might indicate that native would be without the much desired company of his family and relative. He shall be enjoying all but mental peace. Additionally if any Significators stands afflicted and weak, then that concerned relation would not exist in his life. This is isolation in part. How ever depending on the other house strength he could be among living persons. It is stated by you that, 3rd lord shall also lead for forced loneliness. Here I could not make any reconciliation. The house third among other things also represents communications and immediate surroundings. The natural zodiac has got Mercury ruling over here, who is significator for Communication as well. Unless mercury is weak and third house is afflicted with its lord, how one would be forced for seclusion....? The third being 12th from 4th can take native away from the home but not necessarily from all people. You are informing that, you came out of the feeling of loneliness soon after commencement of Rahu bhukti in Mercury dasa. Here what you can observe is Rahu representing Mercury. Rahu is exalted and shall not give you much suffering being representative of karmasthana. You have also asserted that, ........Planets in houses 3, 8, 12 are also responsible for loneliness same way.......... But you have also disclosed that, during Jupiter antara, transpiring of events were much to the satisfactory level. You have got Jupiter placed in the 3rd house. It is lord of 7th house. Naturally that should provide more avenues for interaction with outer world. The Jupiter being stationed in the third house shall not hamper, compelling you to be alone. Then naturally you would ask why Mars Bhukti pushed you to the closed walls. The Mars is 3rd and also 8th lord and it is aspecting 8th and 12th houses. By nature it is seperatative and that lead for your period of loneliness. How ever not to under rate transits of the period for which we are trying to look back and analyse. It is paramount important to reckon the at least Dasa and Bhukti planets transits over nature of signs, houses and kakshyas for ascertaining nature of events. Had you provided birth data of the persons whose charts you have illustrated, would have been better for study. Above are just few thoughts and obviously stands as debatable. Thanks for the article. Best wishes, anmohiey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Hello, Sorry for late reply :-) Thanks for the compliments :-) Please see below for my replies. - ANMOHIEY tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com ; gjlist ; sri Friday, May 30, 2003 6:40 PM Artical on Lonelyness. Dear Tanvir, I really appreciate your innate urge and enthusiasm to help the mankind by utilising your God gifted power in Vedic Astrology. It is heartening to observe young people like you coming forward with all open mind and start studying the very depth field of Hindu Astrology with no prejudices and inhibition. It is certain you shall be crowned with all success for your hard and sincere efforts. You have made a lot good observation in your write up on "Loneliness". But then I have got my own blocks in understanding few of the concepts as projected by you. >>Loneliness can it not be broadly divided in to Two categories as One, proffered or intentional and the other forced or compelled. If I am right, it has been your desire to stress on the later type in your article.<< Yes, it was focussed on who suffer for loneliness. However, I also mentioned a case of first category, preferred loneliness. >>Did you not feel that, persons with predominant Saturnine influence on the First house and also on Third house more often than not choose to be rather not surrounded by the people, even by the relatives. This could be the reason owing to their inborn introvert nature. Hence any combination which indicates introvertness can make a native to coil himself farthering from worldly affair. The degree differs based on several other factors. Here persons with such combination easily gets agitated by mingling with other people. They feel more comfort and result oriented being alone and apart.<< I think, I have mentioned about the planets Saturn and Ketu - both are introvert and both tend to give loneliness. Again I have mentioned influences on lagna, 5th house, moon etc. when 'mental loneliness' or 'preferred loneliness' is seen. >>As you might have observed, most of the Sadhakas, of any kind, would have Saturn influencing on many houses and planets. This becomes essential for achieving their goals. The seclusion shall be what they sought after all.<< Correct. Any kind of spiritual, or even material 'shadhana' is not possible without loneliness. Even if a student studies hard for good career (shadhana) or a scientist work hard, he will pass time alone devoting himself in his works. Even he studies / works among others, he is kind of 'mentally lonely' since he is only paying attention to his works and not bothering about who is with him or not talking etc... >>You have rightly observed that, 12th lord leads for loneliness. Then, the nature of the 12th lord have got much to tell here. Basically 12th lord acts as seperatative influence along with afflicted Sun, Mars and Rahu. Excess effects of these elements results in negation of beneficial results that could have accrued from the subjected house matters. Say, if anybody has got in their 4th house Rahu posited in signs identical to Aries, Capricorn, Leo........, along with 12th lord and this combination receives aspect from afflicted Mars or/and Sun that might indicate that native would be without the much desired company of his family and relative. He shall be enjoying all but mental peace. Additionally if any Significators stands afflicted and weak, then that concerned relation would not exist in his life. This is isolation in part. How ever depending on the other house strength he could be among living persons.<< Yes, again I think 3rd lord has something here, as it opposes family. >>It is stated by you that, 3rd lord shall also lead for forced loneliness. Here I could not make any reconciliation. The house third among other things also represents communications and immediate surroundings. The natural zodiac has got Mercury ruling over here, who is significator for Communication as well. Unless mercury is weak and third house is afflicted with its lord, how one would be forced for seclusion....? The third being 12th from 4th can take native away from the home but not necessarily from all people.<< It has been taught by the Gurus (Which I agree 100%) That Merc (communicaton) is the secondary significations of 3rd house. The primary is Mars (courage, younger siblings). So you see Mars comes here and you already know and admit about Mars :-) One Guru who read my article confirmed it that yes the houses 3, 8 , 12 are correct. Also from my observations I see that 3rd house has a role here, very good role indeed. >>You are informing that, you came out of the feeling of loneliness soon after commencement of Rahu bhukti in Mercury dasa. Here what you can observe is Rahu representing Mercury. Rahu is exalted and shall not give you much suffering being representative of karmasthana.<< The main reason for Rahu being against of loneliness is it star-disposits Saturn. From my part I am 100% sure about it. But surely more knowledgeable and experienced might have other views :-) >>You have also asserted that, ........Planets in houses 3, 8, 12 are also responsible for loneliness same way..........<< I did not actually mean that any planet in those houses will cause loneliness for sure. But as more planet are present there, the more loneliness it gives - this is a part of the overall image of the chart. Because more planets in a house activates the house. (Coming about Jupiter later.) >>But you have also disclosed that, during Jupiter antara, transpiring of events were much to the satisfactory level. You have got Jupiter placed in the 3rd house. It is lord of 7th house. Naturally that should provide more avenues for interaction with outer world. The Jupiter being stationed in the third house shall not hamper, compelling you to be alone. Then naturally you would ask why Mars Bhukti pushed you to the closed walls. The Mars is 3rd and also 8th lord and it is aspecting 8th and 12th houses. By nature it is seperatative and that lead for your period of loneliness. How ever not to under rate transits of the period for which we are trying to look back and analyse. It is paramount important to reckon the at least Dasa and Bhukti planets transits over nature of signs, houses and kakshyas for ascertaining nature of events.<< Jupiter is a natural benefic and actually the most benefic planet I would like to say. Though it is a malefic for my asc, I would like to say that it is not a 'strong' malefic here. Parasara suggests taking 3, 6, 11 as malefics in general. While Jupiter becomes malefic for 'Kendradhipati Dosha'. Esp when it rules two kendras also including the 7th. 'Dosha' means a fault. In this matter I would say that Jupiter is not a strong malefic here, and in my chart it is placed in 3rd, which is again a good house for FMs. (Functional Malefics.) Most of all, Jupiter is natural benefic and even more, it is well placed in great friends sign with exchanging aspect with the sign lord. Mars is also a great friend of Jupiter, and in this case I would not consider Mars' aspect to be a very bad affliction. I would suggest that here Mars aspect can not weaken Jupiter that much, rather Jupiter's aspect weakens Mars' maleficness a lot. I remember, the major companion of me in home in loneliness of Mars bhutki were the driver of our car and our cook. I take 3rd house for servants, and 3rd lord exalted in 5th would give something positive about servants in it's bhukti. Again Jupiter's sattvic aspect on bhukti lord from 3rd house helps lessen the loneliness to some degree with the help of servants. >>Had you provided birth data of the persons whose charts you have illustrated, would have been better for study.<< No, they all might not (Or will not) like it. Some people wrote to me in private gave me permission to use their data to some extent and I assured that actual data will not be revealed :-) >>Above are just few thoughts and obviously stands as debatable. Thanks for the article. Best wishes, anmohiey.<< Thanks for your discussion :-)Best wishes,Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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