Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Dear Nicholas, I wish to know what exactly is past life therapy(regression).Who can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of hypnosis where the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the subject's eyes and in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance and remember his past lives? Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who can perform painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A person who got it done vouched for the same but I have no personal experience. Then I have seen magic shows where things such as levitation were performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being made to float in the air horizontally). Coming back to past life therapy,does the practitioner need to have some kind of occult power? Finally,could not all the claims about past life therapy be false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few people to vouch for his powers and make money by charging a hefty fee for consultations. Best regards, vivek. On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote : >Dear Vivek >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy . >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that befell >him when >asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was . >So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was a >trauma he had >undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to be >afraid when >someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his fears >had a >rational cause . >So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems when people >have >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed spaces . >It seems in >many cases the person died from these causes in a previous life >. >Nicholas > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past life > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand it has >to > > do with hypnotism. > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a recognised > > branch of medical science. > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been to a > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their >experience? > > vivek. > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. Just Rs.1499/year. To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Dear Vivek,You may wish to consult my wife's website for further info on past life regression(susanwisehart.com) or read Many Lives,Many Masters by Brian Wiess.She is a trained psychologist with a specialty in altered state work,which she began when she enetered saturn dasa,saturn being in magha,a ketu ruled nakshatra.With her sun and mercury in the 8th,as a scorpio lagna,she is a natural therapist.My own experience of past life regressions,has persuaded me of their value,and I know that she has many clients who also have received much healing from their PLR experiences.One womem came whose daughter had seperation anxiety,for which no explanation could be found as she was an attentive stay at home mom.In a PLR the mother remembered committing suicide when her daughter in this life was her daughter then.Now the cause of the unconscious fear of abandonment was clear.She went home and without going into details told her daughter( about 8 years old) that she had left her in a past life and would not abandon her again in this life.The daughter at an unconscious level recognized the truth of what she was told and seperation anxiety was cured.Now the mother went back to her chiropractor who had been treating her for three years for cervical neck pain,and he could no longer find any problem after the regression,and she had no more pain.She had hung herself to comitt suicide in her past life.Is it all a metaphor,a story she made up?She and her daughter wer both healed as a result.Namaste, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Hello Vivek, I read a book by name "Self Hypnosis" by Dr. Naryan Dutt Shrimali. A successful hypnotist can do past life regression. I can tell you a brief procedure (recalling from what i have read). It can be done only be a good hypnotist and not by everyone. 1) The hypnotist will make u relax by making you lie on bed 2) light will be dim and some music (special encoded music) will be played 3) then he will hypnotize u using some crystal or other equipment ( say a shakti chakra - it's a combination of 5 circles, if somebody want shakti chakra, i can send it) 4) then he will go back to your life, slowly and slowly in reverse order, till you recall when you were a baby. 5) The next step is most crucial and difficult one, and people generally find unable to traverse back (recall back), as we grow old, we forget about personal life. I had read that a small child generally remembers something about his / her past life, till he is 2 months old. It is found that some people get repeated dreams throughout their life and in some cases it is found to be associated with past life. So, it's not sure that everyone can recall, but u can give it a try. One thing I am sure is that it does not require any occult practices based on what i have read. But personally, I suggest one should not go for past life regression, as it would open up a lot many questions to your mind, which you may not find any answer. I learnt for sometime hypnotism (through books and cassettes only) and one time I was able to do astral projection for 2-3 mins. Though it was a good experience, but a bit scary too. Thereafter I tried sometimes again, but couldn't get successful, as previos scare come to my mind and I was not able to concentrate that much. I think thats enough for now. it's late night here and I had to wake up early tomorrow bye Neeraj --- Vivek <keviv90 wrote: > Dear Nicholas, > I wish to know what exactly is past life > therapy(regression).Who > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of > hypnosis where > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the > subject's eyes and > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance > and remember his > past lives? > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who > can perform > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A > person who got > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal > experience. > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as > levitation were > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being > made to float in > the air horizontally). > Coming back to past life therapy,does the > practitioner need to > have some kind of occult power? > Finally,could not all the claims about past life > therapy be > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few > people to vouch > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty > fee for > consultations. > Best regards, > vivek. > > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote : > >Dear Vivek > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy . > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror > that befell > >him when > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying > cause was . > >So he could understand that death from > intrerrogation was a > >trauma he had > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no > need to be > >afraid when > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see > that his fears > >had a > >rational cause . > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it > seems when people > >have > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or > closed spaces . > >It seems in > >many cases the person died from these causes in a > previous life > >. > >Nicholas > > > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about > past life > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I > understand it has > >to > > > do with hypnotism. > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is > a recognised > > > branch of medical science. > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has > been to a > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share > their > >experience? > > > vivek. > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > _ > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > Just Rs.1499/year. > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 DEar Neeraj I would like that Shakti Chakra. Love RG - "Neeraj Gupta" <gupta_neeraj_2000 <gjlist> Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:46 AM Re: [GJ] Past life regression > Hello Vivek, > > I read a book by name "Self Hypnosis" by Dr. Naryan > Dutt Shrimali. A successful hypnotist can do past life > regression. I can tell you a brief procedure > (recalling from what i have read). It can be done only > be a good hypnotist and not by everyone. > > 1) The hypnotist will make u relax by making you lie > on bed > 2) light will be dim and some music (special encoded > music) will be played > 3) then he will hypnotize u using some crystal or > other equipment ( say a shakti chakra - it's a > combination of 5 circles, if somebody want shakti > chakra, i can send it) > > 4) then he will go back to your life, slowly and > slowly in reverse order, till you recall when you were > a baby. > 5) The next step is most crucial and difficult one, > and people generally find unable to traverse back > (recall back), as we grow old, we forget about > personal life. I had read that a small child generally > remembers something about his / her past life, till he > is 2 months old. > > It is found that some people get repeated dreams > throughout their life and in some cases it is found to > be associated with past life. So, it's not sure that > everyone can recall, but u can give it a try. > > One thing I am sure is that it does not require any > occult practices based on what i have read. > > But personally, I suggest one should not go for past > life regression, as it would open up a lot many > questions to your mind, which you may not find any > answer. > > I learnt for sometime hypnotism (through books and > cassettes only) and one time I was able to do astral > projection for 2-3 mins. Though it was a good > experience, but a bit scary too. Thereafter I tried > sometimes again, but couldn't get successful, as > previos scare come to my mind and I was not able to > concentrate that much. > > I think thats enough for now. it's late night here and > I had to wake up early tomorrow > > bye > > Neeraj --- Vivek <keviv90 wrote: > > Dear Nicholas, > > I wish to know what exactly is past life > > therapy(regression).Who > > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of > > hypnosis where > > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the > > subject's eyes and > > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance > > and remember his > > past lives? > > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who > > can perform > > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A > > person who got > > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal > > experience. > > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as > > levitation were > > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being > > made to float in > > the air horizontally). > > Coming back to past life therapy,does the > > practitioner need to > > have some kind of occult power? > > Finally,could not all the claims about past life > > therapy be > > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few > > people to vouch > > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty > > fee for > > consultations. > > Best regards, > > vivek. > > > > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote : > > >Dear Vivek > > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy . > > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror > > that befell > > >him when > > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying > > cause was . > > >So he could understand that death from > > intrerrogation was a > > >trauma he had > > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no > > need to be > > >afraid when > > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see > > that his fears > > >had a > > >rational cause . > > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it > > seems when people > > >have > > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or > > closed spaces . > > >It seems in > > >many cases the person died from these causes in a > > previous life > > >. > > >Nicholas > > > > > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about > > past life > > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I > > understand it has > > >to > > > > do with hypnotism. > > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is > > a recognised > > > > branch of medical science. > > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has > > been to a > > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share > > their > > >experience? > > > > vivek. > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > Sat > > >: > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > > Just Rs.1499/year. > > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > Sat > > : > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. > http://calendar. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Dear Vivek I am no expert on past life regression . I suspect in this field like any other there are the good , the ordinary and outright charlatens . You could visit Dave's wife site or dig up more information by doing a web search . There is certainly no need to have a past life regression done . Basically your consciousness and karmas are the products of your activities in previous lives . So by understanding where you are now you discover what you have done previously . In some cases it might prove useful but be wary some of the people doing past life regressions may actually be doing channeling which is a different thing . Hope this helps Nicholas - "Vivek " <keviv90 <gjlist> Monday, June 02, 2003 5:49 PM [GJ] Past life regression > Dear Nicholas, > I wish to know what exactly is past life therapy(regression).Who > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of hypnosis where > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the subject's eyes and > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance and remember his > past lives? > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who can perform > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A person who got > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal experience. > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as levitation were > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being made to float in > the air horizontally). > Coming back to past life therapy,does the practitioner need to > have some kind of occult power? > Finally,could not all the claims about past life therapy be > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few people to vouch > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty fee for > consultations. > Best regards, > vivek. > > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote : > >Dear Vivek > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy . > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that befell > >him when > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was . > >So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was a > >trauma he had > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to be > >afraid when > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his fears > >had a > >rational cause . > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems when people > >have > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed spaces . > >It seems in > >many cases the person died from these causes in a previous life > >. > >Nicholas > > > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past life > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand it has > >to > > > do with hypnotism. > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a recognised > > > branch of medical science. > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been to a > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their > >experience? > > > vivek. > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > _ > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > Just Rs.1499/year. > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Dear Vivek I have experienced these and facilitated some. I could not say for certain that the images my mind conjured up during such a session was real. I can say that it helped. I would say that it is best to have someone experienced to walk you through it. In the 70's I once paid 25 cents, brought a pillow and a blanket to a gymnasium laid on the floor with about 100 other people and had a very powerful experience. I am perfectly willing to process the info myself. I've also experienced this type of altered state in a holotropic breathwork (created by Stanislav grof) as well as with several certified hypnotherapists. I once bought a book that described the way you can do it yourself. Do deep breathing until very relaxed. Imagine that you are going down an elevator deeper and deeper. When the door opens, walk out and see where you are. . . . Can this be useful: yes. Is it necessary? No. There is plenty to do in this life. Who has it been most helpful? When I came upon a situation that seemed impenetrable by other means. Would I do it again? perhaps. Nicholas, I have never had a PLR where the person channeled. It has always been my inner world talking and they were simply stimulating the process, not telling me what I was seeing or experiencing. Oh, once I did have some pretty strong corroboration of a PL that was uncanny and validating. To anyone interested, Why not try it and see if it helps you? cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Dear Nicholas, I believe that when you are dealing with the supernatural,only something based on vedic scriptures can be of help.Modern science cannot explain the supernormal. We have all heard about Yogi Karve.His yogic powers are divine.It is a god given gift.certainly no scientist or psychologist however advanced can match them. What I mean to say is that --- No past life regression can be done by anyone using tools of science.It can be done only by a person having miraculous powers. Everyone says that they have heard or read about PLR.Has anyone had a direct experience? In many cases it could be self delusion.A highly depressed person goes to such a consultant who consoles him and counsels him and makes him go through sessions with dim light,soothing music etc and convinces him that his problem has a origin in a past life.The subject being depressed and unable to face the realities of life which may be harsh,tries to believe it to be true. Regards, vivek. On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 Nicholas wrote : >Dear Vivek >I am no expert on past life regression . I suspect in this field >like any >other there are the good , the ordinary and outright charlatens >. >You could visit Dave's wife site or dig up more information by >doing a web >search . >There is certainly no need to have a past life regression done . >Basically >your consciousness and karmas are the products of your activities >in >previous lives . >So by understanding where you are now you discover what you have >done >previously . >In some cases it might prove useful but be wary some of the >people doing >past life regressions may actually be doing channeling which is a >different >thing . > >Hope this helps >Nicholas > > >- > "Vivek " <keviv90 ><gjlist> >Monday, June 02, 2003 5:49 PM >[GJ] Past life regression > > > > Dear Nicholas, > > I wish to know what exactly is past life >therapy(regression).Who > > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of hypnosis >where > > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the subject's eyes >and > > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance and remember >his > > past lives? > > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who can >perform > > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A person who >got > > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal >experience. > > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as levitation >were > > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being made to >float in > > the air horizontally). > > Coming back to past life therapy,does the practitioner need >to > > have some kind of occult power? > > Finally,could not all the claims about past life therapy be > > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few people to >vouch > > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty fee for > > consultations. > > Best regards, > > vivek. > > > > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote : > > >Dear Vivek > > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy . > > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that >befell > > >him when > > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was . > > >So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was a > > >trauma he had > > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to be > > >afraid when > > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his >fears > > >had a > > >rational cause . > > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems when >people > > >have > > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed >spaces . > > >It seems in > > >many cases the person died from these causes in a previous >life > > >. > > >Nicholas > > > > > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past >life > > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand it >has > > >to > > > > do with hypnotism. > > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a >recognised > > > > branch of medical science. > > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been to >a > > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their > > >experience? > > > > vivek. > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >: > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > > Just Rs.1499/year. > > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : >gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. Just Rs.1499/year. To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Dear Dave, I did have a look at your wife's website. Considering your wife's PLR and healing abilities,I am curious to see her horoscope -- if yourself or she has no objection. Regards, vivek. On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 DaveBirr wrote : > >Dear Vivek,You may wish to consult my wife's website for further >info on past >life regression(susanwisehart.com) or read Many Lives,Many >Masters by Brian >Wiess.She is a trained psychologist with a specialty in altered >state >work,which she began when she enetered saturn dasa,saturn being >in magha,a ketu ruled >nakshatra.With her sun and mercury in the 8th,as a scorpio >lagna,she is a >natural therapist.My own experience of past life regressions,has >persuaded me of >their value,and I know that she has many clients who also have >received much >healing from their PLR experiences.One womem came whose daughter >had seperation >anxiety,for which no explanation could be found as she was an >attentive stay at >home mom.In a PLR the mother remembered committing suicide when >her daughter >in this life was her daughter then.Now the cause of the >unconscious fear of >abandonment was clear.She went home and without going into >details told her >daughter( about 8 years old) that she had left her in a past life >and would not >abandon her again in this life.The daughter at an unconscious >level recognized >the truth of what she was told and seperation anxiety was >cured.Now the mother >went back to her chiropractor who had been treating her for three >years for >cervical neck pain,and he could no longer find any problem after >the >regression,and she had no more pain.She had hung herself to >comitt suicide in her past >life.Is it all a metaphor,a story she made up?She and her >daughter wer both >healed as a result.Namaste, Dave _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. Just Rs.1499/year. To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Have been following this thread with a lot of interest. Have several friends who have tried to access info about their past lives via facilitated PLR sessions or hypnosis. Results have been mixed. My question is, isn't it possible to get a fair amount of information regarding past lives that you can feel certain about from the D-60 (and maybe other divisional charts also?) if an experienced Jyotishi analyzes it? Sincerely, LaurieVivek <keviv90 (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Nicholas,I believe that when you are dealing with the supernatural,only something based on vedic scriptures can be of help.Modern science cannot explain the supernormal.We have all heard about Yogi Karve.His yogic powers are divine.It is a god given gift.certainly no scientist or psychologist however advanced can match them.What I mean to say is that --- No past life regression can be done by anyone using tools of science.It can be done only by a person having miraculous powers.Everyone says that they have heard or read about PLR.Has anyone had a direct experience?In many cases it could be self delusion.A highly depressed person goes to such a consultant who consoles him and counsels him and makes him go through sessions with dim light,soothing music etc and convinces him that his problem has a origin in a past life.The subject being depressed and unable to face the realities of life which may be harsh,tries to believe it to be true.Regards,vivek.On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 Nicholas wrote :>Dear Vivek>I am no expert on past life regression . I suspect in this field >like any>other there are the good , the ordinary and outright charlatens >.>You could visit Dave's wife site or dig up more information by >doing a web>search .>There is certainly no need to have a past life regression done . >Basically>your consciousness and karmas are the products of your activities >in>previous lives .>So by understanding where you are now you discover what you have >done>previously .>In some cases it might prove useful but be wary some of the >people doing>past life regressions may actually be doing channeling which is a >different>thing .>>Hope this helps>Nicholas>>>----- Original Message -----> "Vivek " >>Monday, June 02, 2003 5:49 PM>[GJ] Past life regression>>> > Dear Nicholas,> > I wish to know what exactly is past life >therapy(regression).Who> > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of hypnosis >where> > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the subject's eyes >and> > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance and remember >his> > past lives?> > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who can >perform> > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A person who >got> > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal >experience.> > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as levitation >were> > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being made to >float in> > the air horizontally).> > Coming back to past life therapy,does the practitioner need >to> > have some kind of occult power?> > Finally,could not all the claims about past life therapy be> > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few people to >vouch> > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty fee for> > consultations.> > Best regards,> > vivek.> >> > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote :> > >Dear Vivek> > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy .> > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that >befell> > >him when> > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was .> > >So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was a> > >trauma he had> > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to be> > >afraid when> > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his >fears> > >had a> > >rational cause .> > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems when >people> > >have> > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed >spaces .> > >It seems in> > >many cases the person died from these causes in a previous >life> > >.> > >Nicholas> > >> > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past >life> > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand it >has> > >to> > > > do with hypnotism.> > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a >recognised> > > > branch of medical science.> > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been to >a> > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their> > >experience?> > > > vivek.> > >> > >> > >> > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > >To , send an email to:> > >gjlist-> > >http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > >Your use of is subject to> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > _> > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.> > Just Rs.1499/year.> > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com> >> >> >> >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > : >gjlist-> > http://www.goravani.com> >> >> > Your use of is subject to >> >> >> >>>>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat>To , send an email to: >gjlist->http://www.goravani.com>>>Your use of is subject to >>>_Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.Just Rs.1499/year.To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.comOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. 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Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Dear Laurie The difficulty with analysing the D60 is that you need to have very accurate birth times . But the whole chart represents past life karmas and the evolution of consciousness and so gives information about past lives . Whether one can be helped by PLR as with any therapy conventional or alternative is also a karma . Even the hypnotist will say that the ability to put someone under hypnosis is different from one client to the next . Supposing one feels a terrible fear of water . There are two aspecst to the trauma . One is the fear of water and the second is the feeling of deficiency that one might develop because one cannot face water the same way everybody else does . Now in the PLR the person sees that in a previous life they were drowned then they recognise the source of their subconcious fears . My brother was bitten by a dog when very small so whilst the rest of us played with dogs he would never go anywhere near even the most placid ones . When older he could see that his fear was out of proportion (although he still doesn't like dogs) but at least we can all see that he is not mentally inadequate . Nicholas - Laurie Harbour gjlist Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:51 PM Re: [GJ] Past life regression Dear Vivek, Nicholas and members, Have been following this thread with a lot of interest. Have several friends who have tried to access info about their past lives via facilitated PLR sessions or hypnosis. Results have been mixed. My question is, isn't it possible to get a fair amount of information regarding past lives that you can feel certain about from the D-60 (and maybe other divisional charts also?) if an experienced Jyotishi analyzes it? Sincerely, LaurieVivek <keviv90 (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Nicholas,I believe that when you are dealing with the supernatural,only something based on vedic scriptures can be of help.Modern science cannot explain the supernormal.We have all heard about Yogi Karve.His yogic powers are divine.It is a god given gift.certainly no scientist or psychologist however advanced can match them.What I mean to say is that --- No past life regression can be done by anyone using tools of science.It can be done only by a person having miraculous powers.Everyone says that they have heard or read about PLR.Has anyone had a direct experience?In many cases it could be self delusion.A highly depressed person goes to such a consultant who consoles him and counsels him and makes him go through sessions with dim light,soothing music etc and convinces him that his problem has a origin in a past life.The subject being depressed and unable to face the realities of life which may be harsh,tries to believe it to be true.Regards,vivek.On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 Nicholas wrote :>Dear Vivek>I am no expert on past life regression . I suspect in this field >like any>other there are the good , the ordinary and outright charlatens >.>You could visit Dave's wife site or dig up more information by >doing a web>search .>There is certainly no need to have a past life regression done . >Basically>your consciousness and karmas are the products of your activities >in>previous lives .>So by understanding where you are now you discover what you have >done>previously .>In some cases it might prove useful but be wary some of the >people doing>past life regressions may actually be doing channeling which is a >different>thing .>>Hope this helps>Nicholas>>>----- Original Message -----> "Vivek " >>Monday, June 02, 2003 5:49 PM>[GJ] Past life regression>>> > Dear Nicholas,> > I wish to know what exactly is past life >therapy(regression).Who> > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of hypnosis >where> > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the subject's eyes >and> > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance and remember >his> > past lives?> > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who can >perform> > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A person who >got> > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal >experience.> > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as levitation >were> > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being made to >float in> > the air horizontally).> > Coming back to past life therapy,does the practitioner need >to> > have some kind of occult power?> > Finally,could not all the claims about past life therapy be> > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few people to >vouch> > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty fee for> > consultations.> > Best regards,> > vivek.> >> > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote :> > >Dear Vivek> > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy .> > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that >befell> > >him when> > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was .> > >So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was a> > >trauma he had> > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to be> > >afraid when> > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his >fears> > >had a> > >rational cause .> > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems when >people> > >have> > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed >spaces .> > >It seems in> > >many cases the person died from these causes in a previous >life> > >.> > >Nicholas> > >> > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past >life> > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand it >has> > >to> > > > do with hypnotism.> > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a >recognised> > > > branch of medical science.> > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been to >a> > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their> > >experience?> > > > vivek.> > >> > >> > >> > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > >To , send an email to:> > >gjlist-> > >http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > >Your use of is subject to> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > _> > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.> > Just Rs.1499/year.> > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com> >> >> >> >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > : >gjlist-> > http://www.goravani.com> >> >> > Your use of is subject to >> >> >> >>>>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat>To , send an email to: >gjlist->http://www.goravani.com>>>Your use of is subject to >>>_Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.Just Rs.1499/year.To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.comOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. 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Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 You're right, of course, the D-60 does require serious rectification for most of us. And for people with inexplicable phobias I do think PLR can be particularly useful. My friend who had the most positive experience with it had a terrible fear of flying and after working with Chris Griscom in New Mexico discovered she had died in WW 2 in a plane crash. She has to travel a lot and her fears were greatly alleviated after that. My other friends had no such specific reasons for going and were left feeling a little ambiguous as to whether what they had experienced was imagination or a real memory. The reality in the U.S. at least is that more people who are interested in getting info about their past lives will have access to PLR therapists than to Jyotishis - but, hopefully, this is changing! Sincerely, LaurieNicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Laurie The difficulty with analysing the D60 is that you need to have very accurate birth times . But the whole chart represents past life karmas and the evolution of consciousness and so gives information about past lives . Whether one can be helped by PLR as with any therapy conventional or alternative is also a karma . Even the hypnotist will say that the ability to put someone under hypnosis is different from one client to the next . Supposing one feels a terrible fear of water . There are two aspecst to the trauma . One is the fear of water and the second is the feeling of deficiency that one might develop because one cannot face water the same way everybody else does . Now in the PLR the person sees that in a previous life they were drowned then they recognise the source of their subconcious fears . My brother was bitten by a dog when very small so whilst the rest of us played with dogs he would never go anywhere near even the most placid ones . When older he could see that his fear was out of proportion (although he still doesn't like dogs) but at least we can all see that he is not mentally inadequate . Nicholas - Laurie Harbour gjlist Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:51 PM Re: [GJ] Past life regression Dear Vivek, Nicholas and members, Have been following this thread with a lot of interest. Have several friends who have tried to access info about their past lives via facilitated PLR sessions or hypnosis. Results have been mixed. My question is, isn't it possible to get a fair amount of information regarding past lives that you can feel certain about from the D-60 (and maybe other divisional charts also?) if an experienced Jyotishi analyzes it? Sincerely, LaurieVivek <keviv90 (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Nicholas,I believe that when you are dealing with the supernatural,only something based on vedic scriptures can be of help.Modern science cannot explain the supernormal.We have all heard about Yogi Karve.His yogic powers are divine.It is a god given gift.certainly no scientist or psychologist however advanced can match them.What I mean to say is that --- No past life regression can be done by anyone using tools of science.It can be done only by a person having miraculous powers.Everyone says that they have heard or read about PLR.Has anyone had a direct experience?In many cases it could be self delusion.A highly depressed person goes to such a consultant who consoles him and counsels him and makes him go through sessions with dim light,soothing music etc and convinces him that his problem has a origin in a past life.The subject being depressed and unable to face the realities of life which may be harsh,tries to believe it to be true.Regards,vivek.On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 Nicholas wrote :>Dear Vivek>I am no expert on past life regression . I suspect in this field >like any>other there are the good , the ordinary and outright charlatens >.>You could visit Dave's wife site or dig up more information by >doing a web>search .>There is certainly no need to have a past life regression done . >Basically>your consciousness and karmas are the products of your activities >in>previous lives .>So by understanding where you are now you discover what you have >done>previously .>In some cases it might prove useful but be wary some of the >people doing>past life regressions may actually be doing channeling which is a >different>thing .>>Hope this helps>Nicholas>>>----- Original Message -----> "Vivek " >>Monday, June 02, 2003 5:49 PM>[GJ] Past life regression>>> > Dear Nicholas,> > I wish to know what exactly is past life >therapy(regression).Who> > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of hypnosis >where> > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the subject's eyes >and> > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance and remember >his> > past lives?> > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who can >perform> > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A person who >got> > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal >experience.> > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as levitation >were> > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being made to >float in> > the air horizontally).> > Coming back to past life therapy,does the practitioner need >to> > have some kind of occult power?> > Finally,could not all the claims about past life therapy be> > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few people to >vouch> > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty fee for> > consultations.> > Best regards,> > vivek.> >> > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote :> > >Dear Vivek> > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy .> > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that >befell> > >him when> > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was .> > >So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was a> > >trauma he had> > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to be> > >afraid when> > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his >fears> > >had a> > >rational cause .> > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems when >people> > >have> > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed >spaces .> > >It seems in> > >many cases the person died from these causes in a previous >life> > >.> > >Nicholas> > >> > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past >life> > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand it >has> > >to> > > > do with hypnotism.> > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a >recognised> > > > branch of medical science.> > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been to >a> > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their> > >experience?> > > > vivek.> > >> > >> > >> > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > >To , send an email to:> > >gjlist-> > >http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > >Your use of is subject to> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > _> > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.> > Just Rs.1499/year.> > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com> >> >> >> >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > : >gjlist-> > http://www.goravani.com> >> >> > Your use of is subject to >> >> >> >>>>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat>To , send an email to: >gjlist->http://www.goravani.com>>>Your use of is subject to >>>_Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.Just Rs.1499/year.To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.comOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. 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Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Dear Laurie You wrote The reality in the U.S. at least is that more people who are interested in getting info about their past lives will have access to PLR therapists than to Jyotishis - but, hopefully, this is changing! Yes I think jyotish is more versatile than PLR . Some early life regressions have been shown to be inaccurate so whether information gleaned from a PLR is correct can certainly be questioned . For someone who has sastra shraddha i.e faith in sastra it is enough to know that their subconcious fears may arise from experiences in past lives . Putting someone under hypnosis and getting them to relive traumatic experiences in previous lives is often traumatic for the patient in itself . The creator decided not to give us direct knowledge of previous lives but for those who are keen a loophole was allowed and some benefit from this concession .. Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Hello dear list members, You are all very experienced, learned, educated and well versed in the knowledge of divine Jyotish and other Vedic scripture. The discussion of PLR is very facinating. I am a neophyte in learning Jyotish. I enjoy always your post and the discussions about vedic scripture time to time. However, if I may ask a very simple question and that is, can any body truly recall what she/he was thinking (going through her/his mind) exactly yesterday at this same time of the hour, minute and second ? If you have the answer and remember sincerely what was going on in your mind exactly at that time, you are really a super human. If not, I guess, it is easy with a common sense approach to conclude about some body helping some one about PLR. I appreciate your time and thoughts. With best wishes.............................Amar Puri. >"Vivek " <keviv90 >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [GJ] Past life regression >3 Jun 2003 12:06:12 -0000 > >Dear Dave, >I did have a look at your wife's website. >Considering your wife's PLR and healing abilities,I am curious to >see her horoscope -- if yourself or she has no objection. >Regards, >vivek. > >On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 DaveBirr wrote : > > > >Dear Vivek,You may wish to consult my wife's website for further > >info on past > >life regression(susanwisehart.com) or read Many Lives,Many > >Masters by Brian > >Wiess.She is a trained psychologist with a specialty in altered > >state > >work,which she began when she enetered saturn dasa,saturn being > >in magha,a ketu ruled > >nakshatra.With her sun and mercury in the 8th,as a scorpio > >lagna,she is a > >natural therapist.My own experience of past life regressions,has > >persuaded me of > >their value,and I know that she has many clients who also have > >received much > >healing from their PLR experiences.One womem came whose daughter > >had seperation > >anxiety,for which no explanation could be found as she was an > >attentive stay at > >home mom.In a PLR the mother remembered committing suicide when > >her daughter > >in this life was her daughter then.Now the cause of the > >unconscious fear of > >abandonment was clear.She went home and without going into > >details told her > >daughter( about 8 years old) that she had left her in a past life > >and would not > >abandon her again in this life.The daughter at an unconscious > >level recognized > >the truth of what she was told and seperation anxiety was > >cured.Now the mother > >went back to her chiropractor who had been treating her for three > >years for > >cervical neck pain,and he could no longer find any problem after > >the > >regression,and she had no more pain.She had hung herself to > >comitt suicide in her past > >life.Is it all a metaphor,a story she made up?She and her > >daughter wer both > >healed as a result.Namaste, Dave > > > >_ >Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. >Just Rs.1499/year. >To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Dear Amar I cannot recall what I was doing yesterday at this time. I can however state this. Many years ago I had a PLR. years later I met a woman and we became acquaintances. We really had little in common, but whenever she asked me to do something I could not refuse. I felt obligated in some manner. One day we were having lunch and she told me about a PL experience she had. She was so upset at the way she died that she carried that upset today. It's too detailed to go into here, but it was the same time frame and the same experience I had. She knew that she was a passenger in the car just as I knew I was the driver, driving too fast on the winding coastal highway in California. IT was such a vivid memory for both of us under hypnosis. We sat in awake as we literally could finish each other's sentences about that experience including the type of car and the winding highway. So, is that meaningful or useless depends upon the person. Is it the same as memory of yesterday, certainly not. PLR is an experience. If you have not had it, it is more difficult than trying to describe the peace in meditation or a vivid dream. Can it be useful, certainly. Is it necessary, probably not. Should it be discounted? I guess that judgment is left to the judges. It's rather like someone trying to describe the value of an astrology reading. It is more poignant to experience a really good on for yourself. c - "fas fas" <foreignersassistance <gjlist> Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:57 PM Re: [GJ] Past life regression > Hello dear list members, > > You are all very experienced, learned, educated and well versed in the > knowledge of divine Jyotish and other Vedic scripture. The discussion of > PLR is very facinating. I am a neophyte in learning Jyotish. I enjoy > always your post and the discussions about vedic scripture time to time. > > However, if I may ask a very simple question and that is, can any body > truly recall what she/he was thinking (going through her/his mind) exactly > yesterday at this same time of the hour, minute and second ? > > If you have the answer and remember sincerely what was going on in your mind > exactly at that time, you are really a super human. If not, I guess, it > is easy with a common sense approach to conclude about some body helping > some one about PLR. > > I appreciate your time and thoughts. > > With best wishes.............................Amar Puri. > > > > >"Vivek " <keviv90 > >gjlist > >gjlist > >Re: [GJ] Past life regression > >3 Jun 2003 12:06:12 -0000 > > > >Dear Dave, > >I did have a look at your wife's website. > >Considering your wife's PLR and healing abilities,I am curious to > >see her horoscope -- if yourself or she has no objection. > >Regards, > >vivek. > > > >On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 DaveBirr wrote : > > > > > >Dear Vivek,You may wish to consult my wife's website for further > > >info on past > > >life regression(susanwisehart.com) or read Many Lives,Many > > >Masters by Brian > > >Wiess.She is a trained psychologist with a specialty in altered > > >state > > >work,which she began when she enetered saturn dasa,saturn being > > >in magha,a ketu ruled > > >nakshatra.With her sun and mercury in the 8th,as a scorpio > > >lagna,she is a > > >natural therapist.My own experience of past life regressions,has > > >persuaded me of > > >their value,and I know that she has many clients who also have > > >received much > > >healing from their PLR experiences.One womem came whose daughter > > >had seperation > > >anxiety,for which no explanation could be found as she was an > > >attentive stay at > > >home mom.In a PLR the mother remembered committing suicide when > > >her daughter > > >in this life was her daughter then.Now the cause of the > > >unconscious fear of > > >abandonment was clear.She went home and without going into > > >details told her > > >daughter( about 8 years old) that she had left her in a past life > > >and would not > > >abandon her again in this life.The daughter at an unconscious > > >level recognized > > >the truth of what she was told and seperation anxiety was > > >cured.Now the mother > > >went back to her chiropractor who had been treating her for three > > >years for > > >cervical neck pain,and he could no longer find any problem after > > >the > > >regression,and she had no more pain.She had hung herself to > > >comitt suicide in her past > > >life.Is it all a metaphor,a story she made up?She and her > > >daughter wer both > > >healed as a result.Namaste, Dave > > > > > > > >_ > >Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > >Just Rs.1499/year. > >To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > _______________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Dear Amar I think the distinction here is that what one was thinking 24 hours ago may not be significant over the long term but major happenings in ones life may be recalled quite vividly years after they occur . The past life regressor simply draws attention to major happenings in a previous life . Nicholas > You are all very experienced, learned, educated and well versed in the > knowledge of divine Jyotish and other Vedic scripture. The discussion of > PLR is very facinating. I am a neophyte in learning Jyotish. I enjoy > always your post and the discussions about vedic scripture time to time. > > However, if I may ask a very simple question and that is, can any body > truly recall what she/he was thinking (going through her/his mind) exactly > yesterday at this same time of the hour, minute and second ? > > If you have the answer and remember sincerely what was going on in your mind > exactly at that time, you are really a super human. If not, I guess, it > is easy with a common sense approach to conclude about some body helping > some one about PLR. > > I appreciate your time and thoughts. > > With best wishes.............................Amar Puri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Dear Amar, you have asked:-- However, if I may ask a very simple question and that is, can any body truly recall what she/he was thinking (going through her/his mind) exactly yesterday at this same time of the hour, minute and second ? ------------------- I cannot recall what I was thinking at exactly the same time yesterday for the simple reason that I did not keep looking at the clock all the time yesterday. I certainly remember yesterdays events though. vivek. On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 fas fas wrote : >Hello dear list members, > >You are all very experienced, learned, educated and well versed >in the >knowledge of divine Jyotish and other Vedic scripture. The >discussion of >PLR is very facinating. I am a neophyte in learning Jyotish. I >enjoy >always your post and the discussions about vedic scripture time >to time. > >However, if I may ask a very simple question and that is, can >any body >truly recall what she/he was thinking (going through her/his >mind) exactly >yesterday at this same time of the hour, minute and second ? > >If you have the answer and remember sincerely what was going on >in your mind >exactly at that time, you are really a super human. If not, I >guess, it >is easy with a common sense approach to conclude about some body >helping >some one about PLR. > >I appreciate your time and thoughts. > >With best wishes.............................Amar Puri. > > > > >"Vivek " <keviv90 > >gjlist > >gjlist > >Re: [GJ] Past life regression > >3 Jun 2003 12:06:12 -0000 > > > >Dear Dave, > >I did have a look at your wife's website. > >Considering your wife's PLR and healing abilities,I am curious >to > >see her horoscope -- if yourself or she has no objection. > >Regards, > >vivek. > > > >On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 DaveBirr wrote : > > > > > >Dear Vivek,You may wish to consult my wife's website for >further > > >info on past > > >life regression(susanwisehart.com) or read Many Lives,Many > > >Masters by Brian > > >Wiess.She is a trained psychologist with a specialty in >altered > > >state > > >work,which she began when she enetered saturn dasa,saturn >being > > >in magha,a ketu ruled > > >nakshatra.With her sun and mercury in the 8th,as a scorpio > > >lagna,she is a > > >natural therapist.My own experience of past life >regressions,has > > >persuaded me of > > >their value,and I know that she has many clients who also >have > > >received much > > >healing from their PLR experiences.One womem came whose >daughter > > >had seperation > > >anxiety,for which no explanation could be found as she was >an > > >attentive stay at > > >home mom.In a PLR the mother remembered committing suicide >when > > >her daughter > > >in this life was her daughter then.Now the cause of the > > >unconscious fear of > > >abandonment was clear.She went home and without going into > > >details told her > > >daughter( about 8 years old) that she had left her in a past >life > > >and would not > > >abandon her again in this life.The daughter at an >unconscious > > >level recognized > > >the truth of what she was told and seperation anxiety was > > >cured.Now the mother > > >went back to her chiropractor who had been treating her for >three > > >years for > > >cervical neck pain,and he could no longer find any problem >after > > >the > > >regression,and she had no more pain.She had hung herself to > > >comitt suicide in her past > > >life.Is it all a metaphor,a story she made up?She and her > > >daughter wer both > > >healed as a result.Namaste, Dave > > > > > > > >_ > >Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > >Just Rs.1499/year. > >To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > >_______________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. Just Rs.1499/year. To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Dear Laurie,Nicholas, Long back Natabara Das had given the method to know what you were in your previous life(decanates).That is,you can know if you were animal,human or in a higher planetary system.But you cannot know what you were exactly.I have preserved the post and can forward it to the list if anyone wants it. Knowing through astrology is different from having a direct PLR experience -- assuming it works. However,astrology itself can help you get rid of phobias in many cases as your chart tells you what your position in life is. Consider the case below regarding fear of flying.Assuming I had such a fear --- Knowing my chart would rid me of this fear as I have saturn in aquarius in 8th house.So full length of life is guaranteed. vivek. On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 Laurie Harbour wrote : >Dear Nicholas, >You're right, of course, the D-60 does require serious >rectification for most of us. And for people with inexplicable >phobias I do think PLR can be particularly useful. My friend who >had the most positive experience with it had a terrible fear of >flying and after working with Chris Griscom in New Mexico >discovered she had died in WW 2 in a plane crash. She has to >travel a lot and her fears were greatly alleviated after that. >My other friends had no such specific reasons for going and were >left feeling a little ambiguous as to whether what they had >experienced was imagination or a real memory. The reality in the >U.S. at least is that more people who are interested in getting >info about their past lives will have access to PLR therapists >than to Jyotishis - but, hopefully, this is changing! >Sincerely, >Laurie > >Nicholas <jyotish108 wrote: >Dear Laurie >The difficulty with analysing the D60 is that you need to have >very accurate birth times . But the whole chart represents past >life karmas and the evolution of consciousness and so gives >information about past lives . >Whether one can be helped by PLR as with any therapy conventional >or alternative is also a karma . Even the hypnotist will say that >the ability to put someone under hypnosis is different from one >client to the next . >Supposing one feels a terrible fear of water . There are two >aspecst to the trauma . One is the fear of water and the second >is the feeling of deficiency that one might develop because one >cannot face water the same way everybody else does . >Now in the PLR the person sees that in a previous life they were >drowned then they recognise the source of their subconcious fears >. >My brother was bitten by a dog when very small so whilst the rest >of us played with dogs he would never go anywhere near even the >most placid ones . >When older he could see that his fear was out of proportion >(although he still doesn't like dogs) but at least we can all see >that he is not mentally inadequate . >Nicholas > >- > Laurie Harbour >gjlist >Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:51 PM >Re: [GJ] Past life regression > > >Dear Vivek, Nicholas and members, >Have been following this thread with a lot of interest. Have >several friends who have tried to access info about their past >lives via facilitated PLR sessions or hypnosis. Results have >been mixed. My question is, isn't it possible to get a fair >amount of information regarding past lives that you can feel >certain about from the D-60 (and maybe other divisional charts >also?) if an experienced Jyotishi analyzes it? >Sincerely, >Laurie > >Vivek <keviv90 wrote: >Dear Nicholas, >I believe that when you are dealing with the supernatural,only >something based on vedic scriptures can be of help.Modern >science >cannot explain the supernormal. >We have all heard about Yogi Karve.His yogic powers are >divine.It >is a god given gift.certainly no scientist or psychologist >however >advanced can match them. >What I mean to say is that --- No past life regression can be >done >by anyone using tools of science.It can be done only by a >person >having miraculous powers. >Everyone says that they have heard or read about PLR.Has anyone >had a direct experience? >In many cases it could be self delusion.A highly depressed >person >goes to such a consultant who consoles him and counsels him and >makes him go through sessions with dim light,soothing music etc >and convinces him that his problem has a origin in a past >life.The >subject being depressed and unable to face the realities of >life >which may be harsh,tries to believe it to be true. >Regards, >vivek. > >On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 Nicholas wrote : > >Dear Vivek > >I am no expert on past life regression . I suspect in this >field > >like any > >other there are the good , the ordinary and outright >charlatens > >. > >You could visit Dave's wife site or dig up more information >by > >doing a web > >search . > >There is certainly no need to have a past life regression done >. > >Basically > >your consciousness and karmas are the products of your >activities > >in > >previous lives . > >So by understanding where you are now you discover what you >have > >done > >previously . > >In some cases it might prove useful but be wary some of the > >people doing > >past life regressions may actually be doing channeling which is >a > >different > >thing . > > > >Hope this helps > >Nicholas > > > > > >- > > "Vivek " > >To: > >Monday, June 02, 2003 5:49 PM > >[GJ] Past life regression > > > > > > > Dear Nicholas, > > > I wish to know what exactly is past life > >therapy(regression).Who > > > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of >hypnosis > >where > > > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the subject's >eyes > >and > > > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance and >remember > >his > > > past lives? > > > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who can > >perform > > > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A person >who > >got > > > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal > >experience. > > > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as >levitation > >were > > > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being made to > >float in > > > the air horizontally). > > > Coming back to past life therapy,does the practitioner >need > >to > > > have some kind of occult power? > > > Finally,could not all the claims about past life therapy >be > > > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few people >to > >vouch > > > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty fee for > > > consultations. > > > Best regards, > > > vivek. > > > > > > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote : > > > >Dear Vivek > > > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy . > > > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that > >befell > > > >him when > > > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was >. > > > >So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was >a > > > >trauma he had > > > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to >be > > > >afraid when > > > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his > >fears > > > >had a > > > >rational cause . > > > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems >when > >people > > > >have > > > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed > >spaces . > > > >It seems in > > > >many cases the person died from these causes in a >previous > >life > > > >. > > > >Nicholas > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past > >life > > > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand >it > >has > > > >to > > > > > do with hypnotism. > > > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a > >recognised > > > > > branch of medical science. > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been >to > >a > > > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their > > > >experience? > > > > > vivek. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > >: > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > > > Just Rs.1499/year. > > > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > >_ >Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. >Just Rs.1499/year. >To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > > Terms of >Service. > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > > Terms of >Service. > > > > >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. 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Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Dear Vivek I will like that post by brother Natabara Das. Love RG - "Vivek" <keviv90 <gjlist> Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [GJ] Past life regression > Dear Laurie,Nicholas, > Long back Natabara Das had given the method to know what you were > in your previous life(decanates).That is,you can know if you were > animal,human or in a higher planetary system.But you cannot know > what you were exactly.I have preserved the post and can forward it > to the list if anyone wants it. > Knowing through astrology is different from having a direct PLR > experience -- assuming it works. > However,astrology itself can help you get rid of phobias in many > cases as your chart tells you what your position in life is. > Consider the case below regarding fear of flying.Assuming I had > such a fear --- Knowing my chart would rid me of this fear as I > have saturn in aquarius in 8th house.So full length of life is > guaranteed. > vivek. > > On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 Laurie Harbour wrote : > >Dear Nicholas, > >You're right, of course, the D-60 does require serious > >rectification for most of us. And for people with inexplicable > >phobias I do think PLR can be particularly useful. My friend who > >had the most positive experience with it had a terrible fear of > >flying and after working with Chris Griscom in New Mexico > >discovered she had died in WW 2 in a plane crash. She has to > >travel a lot and her fears were greatly alleviated after that. > >My other friends had no such specific reasons for going and were > >left feeling a little ambiguous as to whether what they had > >experienced was imagination or a real memory. The reality in the > >U.S. at least is that more people who are interested in getting > >info about their past lives will have access to PLR therapists > >than to Jyotishis - but, hopefully, this is changing! > >Sincerely, > >Laurie > > > >Nicholas <jyotish108 wrote: > >Dear Laurie > >The difficulty with analysing the D60 is that you need to have > >very accurate birth times . But the whole chart represents past > >life karmas and the evolution of consciousness and so gives > >information about past lives . > >Whether one can be helped by PLR as with any therapy conventional > >or alternative is also a karma . Even the hypnotist will say that > >the ability to put someone under hypnosis is different from one > >client to the next . > >Supposing one feels a terrible fear of water . There are two > >aspecst to the trauma . One is the fear of water and the second > >is the feeling of deficiency that one might develop because one > >cannot face water the same way everybody else does . > >Now in the PLR the person sees that in a previous life they were > >drowned then they recognise the source of their subconcious fears > >. > >My brother was bitten by a dog when very small so whilst the rest > >of us played with dogs he would never go anywhere near even the > >most placid ones . > >When older he could see that his fear was out of proportion > >(although he still doesn't like dogs) but at least we can all see > >that he is not mentally inadequate . > >Nicholas > > > >- > > Laurie Harbour > >gjlist > >Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:51 PM > >Re: [GJ] Past life regression > > > > > >Dear Vivek, Nicholas and members, > >Have been following this thread with a lot of interest. Have > >several friends who have tried to access info about their past > >lives via facilitated PLR sessions or hypnosis. Results have > >been mixed. My question is, isn't it possible to get a fair > >amount of information regarding past lives that you can feel > >certain about from the D-60 (and maybe other divisional charts > >also?) if an experienced Jyotishi analyzes it? > >Sincerely, > >Laurie > > > >Vivek <keviv90 wrote: > >Dear Nicholas, > >I believe that when you are dealing with the supernatural,only > >something based on vedic scriptures can be of help.Modern > >science > >cannot explain the supernormal. > >We have all heard about Yogi Karve.His yogic powers are > >divine.It > >is a god given gift.certainly no scientist or psychologist > >however > >advanced can match them. > >What I mean to say is that --- No past life regression can be > >done > >by anyone using tools of science.It can be done only by a > >person > >having miraculous powers. > >Everyone says that they have heard or read about PLR.Has anyone > >had a direct experience? > >In many cases it could be self delusion.A highly depressed > >person > >goes to such a consultant who consoles him and counsels him and > >makes him go through sessions with dim light,soothing music etc > >and convinces him that his problem has a origin in a past > >life.The > >subject being depressed and unable to face the realities of > >life > >which may be harsh,tries to believe it to be true. > >Regards, > >vivek. > > > >On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 Nicholas wrote : > > >Dear Vivek > > >I am no expert on past life regression . I suspect in this > >field > > >like any > > >other there are the good , the ordinary and outright > >charlatens > > >. > > >You could visit Dave's wife site or dig up more information > >by > > >doing a web > > >search . > > >There is certainly no need to have a past life regression done > >. > > >Basically > > >your consciousness and karmas are the products of your > >activities > > >in > > >previous lives . > > >So by understanding where you are now you discover what you > >have > > >done > > >previously . > > >In some cases it might prove useful but be wary some of the > > >people doing > > >past life regressions may actually be doing channeling which is > >a > > >different > > >thing . > > > > > >Hope this helps > > >Nicholas > > > > > > > > >- > > > "Vivek " > > >To: > > >Monday, June 02, 2003 5:49 PM > > >[GJ] Past life regression > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nicholas, > > > > I wish to know what exactly is past life > > >therapy(regression).Who > > > > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of > >hypnosis > > >where > > > > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the subject's > >eyes > > >and > > > > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance and > >remember > > >his > > > > past lives? > > > > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who can > > >perform > > > > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A person > >who > > >got > > > > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal > > >experience. > > > > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as > >levitation > > >were > > > > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being made to > > >float in > > > > the air horizontally). > > > > Coming back to past life therapy,does the practitioner > >need > > >to > > > > have some kind of occult power? > > > > Finally,could not all the claims about past life therapy > >be > > > > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few people > >to > > >vouch > > > > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty fee for > > > > consultations. > > > > Best regards, > > > > vivek. > > > > > > > > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote : > > > > >Dear Vivek > > > > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy . > > > > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that > > >befell > > > > >him when > > > > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was > >. > > > > >So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was > >a > > > > >trauma he had > > > > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to > >be > > > > >afraid when > > > > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his > > >fears > > > > >had a > > > > >rational cause . > > > > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems > >when > > >people > > > > >have > > > > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed > > >spaces . > > > > >It seems in > > > > >many cases the person died from these causes in a > >previous > > >life > > > > >. > > > > >Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past > > >life > > > > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand > >it > > >has > > > > >to > > > > > > do with hypnotism. > > > > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a > > >recognised > > > > > > branch of medical science. > > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been > >to > > >a > > > > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their > > > > >experience? > > > > > > vivek. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > >: > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > > > > Just Rs.1499/year. > > > > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >: > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > >Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > >Just Rs.1499/year. > >To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > Terms of > >Service. > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > Terms of > >Service. > > > > > > > > > >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. > > > > _ > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > Just Rs.1499/year. > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 I would like that post too. Perhaps, you can post it to the list? Thanks. SoniaRavinder Grover <astrology (AT) clear (DOT) net.nz> wrote: Dear VivekI will like that post by brother Natabara Das.LoveRG----- Original Message -----"Vivek" Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:18 PMSubject: Re: [GJ] Past life regression> Dear Laurie,Nicholas,> Long back Natabara Das had given the method to know what you were> in your previous life(decanates).That is,you can know if you were> animal,human or in a higher planetary system.But you cannot know> what you were exactly.I have preserved the post and can forward it> to the list if anyone wants it.> Knowing through astrology is different from having a direct PLR> experience -- assuming it works.> However,astrology itself can help you get rid of phobias in many> cases as your chart tells you what your position in life is.> Consider the case below regarding fear of flying.Assuming I had> such a fear --- Knowing my chart would rid me of this fear as I> have saturn in aquarius in 8th house.So full length of life is> guaranteed.> vivek.>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 Laurie Harbour wrote :> >Dear Nicholas,> >You're right, of course, the D-60 does require serious> >rectification for most of us. And for people with inexplicable> >phobias I do think PLR can be particularly useful. My friend who> >had the most positive experience with it had a terrible fear of> >flying and after working with Chris Griscom in New Mexico> >discovered she had died in WW 2 in a plane crash. She has to> >travel a lot and her fears were greatly alleviated after that.> >My other friends had no such specific reasons for going and were> >left feeling a little ambiguous as to whether what they had> >experienced was imagination or a real memory. The reality in the> >U.S. at least is that more people who are interested in getting> >info about their past lives will have access to PLR therapists> >than to Jyotishis - but, hopefully, this is changing!> >Sincerely,> >Laurie> >> >Nicholas wrote:> >Dear Laurie> >The difficulty with analysing the D60 is that you need to have> >very accurate birth times . But the whole chart represents past> >life karmas and the evolution of consciousness and so gives> >information about past lives .> >Whether one can be helped by PLR as with any therapy conventional> >or alternative is also a karma . Even the hypnotist will say that> >the ability to put someone under hypnosis is different from one> >client to the next .> >Supposing one feels a terrible fear of water . There are two> >aspecst to the trauma . One is the fear of water and the second> >is the feeling of deficiency that one might develop because one> >cannot face water the same way everybody else does .> >Now in the PLR the person sees that in a previous life they were> >drowned then they recognise the source of their subconcious fears> >.> >My brother was bitten by a dog when very small so whilst the rest> >of us played with dogs he would never go anywhere near even the> >most placid ones .> >When older he could see that his fear was out of proportion> >(although he still doesn't like dogs) but at least we can all see> >that he is not mentally inadequate .> >Nicholas> >> >-> > Laurie Harbour> >To: gjlist> >Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:51 PM> >Re: [GJ] Past life regression> >> >> >Dear Vivek, Nicholas and members,> >Have been following this thread with a lot of interest. Have> >several friends who have tried to access info about their past> >lives via facilitated PLR sessions or hypnosis. Results have> >been mixed. My question is, isn't it possible to get a fair> >amount of information regarding past lives that you can feel> >certain about from the D-60 (and maybe other divisional charts> >also?) if an experienced Jyotishi analyzes it?> >Sincerely,> >Laurie> >> >Vivek wrote:> >Dear Nicholas,> >I believe that when you are dealing with the supernatural,only> >something based on vedic scriptures can be of help.Modern> >science> >cannot explain the supernormal.> >We have all heard about Yogi Karve.His yogic powers are> >divine.It> >is a god given gift.certainly no scientist or psychologist> >however> >advanced can match them.> >What I mean to say is that --- No past life regression can be> >done> >by anyone using tools of science.It can be done only by a> >person> >having miraculous powers.> >Everyone says that they have heard or read about PLR.Has anyone> >had a direct experience?> >In many cases it could be self delusion.A highly depressed> >person> >goes to such a consultant who consoles him and counsels him and> >makes him go through sessions with dim light,soothing music etc> >and convinces him that his problem has a origin in a past> >life.The> >subject being depressed and unable to face the realities of> >life> >which may be harsh,tries to believe it to be true.> >Regards,> >vivek.> >> >On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 Nicholas wrote :> > >Dear Vivek> > >I am no expert on past life regression .. I suspect in this> >field> > >like any> > >other there are the good , the ordinary and outright> >charlatens> > >.> > >You could visit Dave's wife site or dig up more information> >by> > >doing a web> > >search .> > >There is certainly no need to have a past life regression done> >.> > >Basically> > >your consciousness and karmas are the products of your> >activities> > >in> > >previous lives .> > >So by understanding where you are now you discover what you> >have> > >done> > >previously .> > >In some cases it might prove useful but be wary some of the> > >people doing> > >past life regressions may actually be doing channeling which is> >a> > >different> > >thing .> > >> > >Hope this helps> > >Nicholas> > >> > >> > >-> > > "Vivek "> > >To:> > >Monday, June 02, 2003 5:49 PM> > >[GJ] Past life regression> > >> > >> > > > Dear Nicholas,> > > > I wish to know what exactly is past life> > >therapy(regression).Who> > > > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of> >hypnosis> > >where> > > > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the subject's> >eyes> > >and> > > > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance and> >remember> > >his> > > > past lives?> > > > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who can> > >perform> > > > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A person> >who> > >got> > > > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal> > >experience.> > > > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as> >levitation> > >were> > > > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being made to> > >float in> > > > the air horizontally).> > > > Coming back to past life therapy,does the practitioner> >need> > >to> > > > have some kind of occult power?> > > > Finally,could not all the claims about past life therapy> >be> > > > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few people> >to> > >vouch> > > > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty fee for> > > > consultations.> > > > Best regards,> > > > vivek.> > > >> > > > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote :> > > > >Dear Vivek> > > > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy .> > > > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that> > >befell> > > > >him when> > > > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was> >.> > > > >So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was> >a> > > > >trauma he had> > > > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to> >be> > > > >afraid when> > > > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his> > >fears> > > > >had a> > > > >rational cause .> > > > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems> >when> > >people> > > > >have> > > > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed> > >spaces .> > > > >It seems in> > > > >many cases the person died from these causes in a> >previous> > >life> > > > >.> > > > >Nicholas> > > > >> > > > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past> > >life> > > > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand> >it> > >has> > > > >to> > > > > > do with hypnotism.> > > > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a> > >recognised> > > > > > branch of medical science.> > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been> >to> > >a> > > > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their> > > > >experience?> > > > > > vivek.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > > > >:> > > > >gjlist-> > > > >http://www.goravani.com> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Your use of is subject to> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _> > > > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.> > > > Just Rs.1499/year.> > > > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > > > To , send an email to:> > >gjlist-> > > > http://www.goravani.com> > > >> > > >> > > > Your use of is subject to> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > >To , send an email to:> > >gjlist-> > >http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > >Your use of is subject to> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >_> >Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.> >Just Rs.1499/year.> >To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com> >> >> >> >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> >:> >gjlist-> >http://www.goravani.com> >> >> >Your use of is subject to> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook.> >> >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> >:> >gjlist-> >http://www.goravani.com> >> >> >Your use of is subject to the Terms of> >Service.> >> >> >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> >:> >gjlist-> >http://www.goravani.com> >> >> >Your use of is subject to the Terms of> >Service.> >> >> >> >> >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook.>>>> _> Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.> Just Rs.1499/year.> To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com>>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> : gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com>>> Your use of Groups is subject to >>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. 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Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Vivek did send that post earlier today (Wed.) under the subject "Decanates". Sincerely, Lauriesonia tanganchi <dhanus10 > wrote: Dear Vivek I would like that post too. Perhaps, you can post it to the list? Thanks. SoniaRavinder Grover <astrology (AT) clear (DOT) net.nz> wrote: Dear VivekI will like that post by brother Natabara Das.LoveRG----- Original Message -----"Vivek" Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:18 PMSubject: Re: [GJ] Past life regression> Dear Laurie,Nicholas,> Long back Natabara Das had given the method to know what you were> in your previous life(decanates).That is,you can know if you were> animal,human or in a higher planetary system.But you cannot know> what you were exactly.I have preserved the post and can forward it> to the list if anyone wants it.> Knowing through astrology is different from having a direct PLR> experience -- assuming it works.> However,astrology itself can help you get rid of phobias in many> cases as your chart tells you what your position in life is.> Consider the case below regarding fear of flying.Assuming I had> such a fear --- Knowing my chart would rid me of this fear as I> have saturn in aquarius in 8th house.So full length of life is> guaranteed.> vivek.>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 Laurie Harbour wrote :> >Dear Nicholas,> >You're right, of course, the D-60 does require serious> >rectification for most of us. And for people with inexplicable> >phobias I do think PLR can be particularly useful. My friend who> >had the most positive experience with it had a terrible fear of> >flying and after working with Chris Griscom in New Mexico> >discovered she had died in WW 2 in a plane crash. She has to> >travel a lot and her fears were greatly alleviated after that.> >My other friends had no such specific reasons for going and were> >left feeling a little ambiguous as to whether what they had> >experienced was imagination or a real memory. The reality in the> >U.S. at least is that more people who are interested in getting> >info about their past lives will have access to PLR therapists> >than to Jyotishis - but, hopefully, this is changing!> >Sincerely,> >Laurie> >> >Nicholas wrote:> >Dear Laurie> >The difficulty with analysing the D60 is that you need to have> >very accurate birth times . But the whole chart represents past> >life karmas and the evolution of consciousness and so gives> >information about past lives .> >Whether one can be helped by PLR as with any therapy conventional> >or alternative is also a karma . Even the hypnotist will say that> >the ability to put someone under hypnosis is different from one> >client to the next .> >Supposing one feels a terrible fear of water . There are two> >aspecst to the trauma . One is the fear of water and the second> >is the feeling of deficiency that one might develop because one> >cannot face water the same way everybody else does .> >Now in the PLR the person sees that in a previous life they were> >drowned then they recognise the source of their subconcious fears> >.> >My brother was bitten by a dog when very small so whilst the rest> >of us played with dogs he would never go anywhere near even the> >most placid ones .> >When older he could see that his fear was out of proportion> >(although he still doesn't like dogs) but at least we can all see> >that he is not mentally inadequate .> >Nicholas> >> >-> > Laurie Harbour> >To: gjlist> >Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:51 PM> >Re: [GJ] Past life regression> >> >> >Dear Vivek, Nicholas and members,> >Have been following this thread with a lot of interest. Have> >several friends who have tried to access info about their past> >lives via facilitated PLR sessions or hypnosis. Results have> >been mixed. My question is, isn't it possible to get a fair> >amount of information regarding past lives that you can feel> >certain about from the D-60 (and maybe other divisional charts> >also?) if an experienced Jyotishi analyzes it?> >Sincerely,> >Laurie> >> >Vivek wrote:> >Dear Nicholas,> >I believe that when you are dealing with the supernatural,only> >something based on vedic scriptures can be of help.Modern> >science> >cannot explain the supernormal.> >We have all heard about Yogi Karve.His yogic powers are> >divine.It> >is a god given gift.certainly no scientist or psychologist> >however> >advanced can match them.> >What I mean to say is that --- No past life regression can be> >done> >by anyone using tools of science.It can be done only by a> >person> >having miraculous powers.> >Everyone says that they have heard or read about PLR.Has anyone> >had a direct experience?> >In many cases it could be self delusion.A highly depressed> >person> >goes to such a consultant who consoles him and counsels him and> >makes him go through sessions with dim light,soothing music etc> >and convinces him that his problem has a origin in a past> >life.The> >subject being depressed and unable to face the realities of> >life> >which may be harsh,tries to believe it to be true.> >Regards,> >vivek.> >> >On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 Nicholas wrote :> > >Dear Vivek> > >I am no expert on past life regression .. I suspect in this> >field> > >like any> > >other there are the good , the ordinary and outright> >charlatens> > >.> > >You could visit Dave's wife site or dig up more information> >by> > >doing a web> > >search .> > >There is certainly no need to have a past life regression done> >.> > >Basically> > >your consciousness and karmas are the products of your> >activities> > >in> > >previous lives .> > >So by understanding where you are now you discover what you> >have> > >done> > >previously .> > >In some cases it might prove useful but be wary some of the> > >people doing> > >past life regressions may actually be doing channeling which is> >a> > >different> > >thing .> > >> > >Hope this helps> > >Nicholas> > >> > >> > >-> > > "Vivek "> > >To:> > >Monday, June 02, 2003 5:49 PM> > >[GJ] Past life regression> > >> > >> > > > Dear Nicholas,> > > > I wish to know what exactly is past life> > >therapy(regression).Who> > > > can do it?can it be done to anyone?Is it a kind of> >hypnosis> > >where> > > > the hypnotist swings a pendulum in front of the subject's> >eyes> > >and> > > > in a deep voice suggests that he go into a trance and> >remember> > >his> > > > past lives?> > > > Regarding hypnosis,I have heard about a person who can> > >perform> > > > painless tooth extractions without anaesthetics.A person> >who> > >got> > > > it done vouched for the same but I have no personal> > >experience.> > > > Then I have seen magic shows where things such as> >levitation> > >were> > > > performed(A person apparently in deep sleep being made to> > >float in> > > > the air horizontally).> > > > Coming back to past life therapy,does the practitioner> >need> > >to> > > > have some kind of occult power?> > > > Finally,could not all the claims about past life therapy> >be> > > > false?I mean,any unscruplous person can get a few people> >to> > >vouch> > > > for his powers and make money by charging a hefty fee for> > > > consultations.> > > > Best regards,> > > > vivek.> > > >> > > > On Sat, 31 May 2003 Nicholas wrote :> > > > >Dear Vivek> > > > >Yes patients can recover from past life therapy .> > > > >In the case I mentioned the man overcame the terror that> > >befell> > > > >him when> > > > >asked a question by seeing what the underlying cause was> >.> > > > >So he could understand that death from intrerrogation was> >a> > > > >trauma he had> > > > >undergone but time had moved on and there was no need to> >be> > > > >afraid when> > > > >someone asked him a question .Also he could see that his> > >fears> > > > >had a> > > > >rational cause .> > > > >So it can work in certain cases particularly it seems> >when> > >people> > > > >have> > > > >"irrational " phobias such as water , spiders or closed> > >spaces .> > > > >It seems in> > > > >many cases the person died from these causes in a> >previous> > >life> > > > >.> > > > >Nicholas> > > > >> > > > > > ---------------------- I wish to know more about past> > >life> > > > > > regression therapy.Does it actually work? I understand> >it> > >has> > > > >to> > > > > > do with hypnotism.> > > > > > From what I know hypnotism or hypno-therapy is a> > >recognised> > > > > > branch of medical science.> > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about the subject OR has been> >to> > >a> > > > > > hypnotist,will they be kind enough to share their> > > > >experience?> > > > > > vivek.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > > > >:> > > > >gjlist-> > > > >http://www.goravani.com> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Your use of is subject to> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _> > > > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.> > > > Just Rs.1499/year.> > > > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > > > To , send an email to:> > >gjlist-> > > > http://www.goravani.com> > > >> > > >> > > > Your use of is subject to> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> > >To , send an email to:> > >gjlist-> > >http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > >Your use of is subject to> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >_> >Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.> >Just Rs.1499/year.> >To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com> >> >> >> >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> >:> >gjlist-> >http://www.goravani.com> >> >> >Your use of is subject to> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook.> >> >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> >:> >gjlist-> >http://www.goravani.com> >> >> >Your use of is subject to the Terms of> >Service.> >> >> >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> >:> >gjlist-> >http://www.goravani.com> >> >> >Your use of is subject to the Terms of> >Service.> >> >> >> >> >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook.>>>> _> Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com.> Just Rs.1499/year.> To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com>>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> : gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com>>> Your use of Groups is subject to >>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. 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Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Hello Dear Cynthia, Nicholas and Vivek, Thank you all very much for your thoughts and experiences. Yes, indeed, it is a big occurance in one's life leaving that strong impression on one's conscious mind being carried on to the next stage (life) which unfolds in a fragment at certain time in a life of that individual as Cynthia has described her experience. Nicholas has also very nicely confirmed to it in his post. Useful or useless, it is up to that individual. With best wishes.........Amar Puri. >"cynthianovak" <cynthianovak >gjlist ><gjlist> >Re: [GJ] Past life regression >Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:41:21 -0500 > >Dear Amar > >I cannot recall what I was doing yesterday at this time. I can however >state this. Many years ago I had a PLR. years later I met a woman and we >became acquaintances. We really had little in common, but whenever she >asked me to do something I could not refuse. I felt obligated in some >manner. > >One day we were having lunch and she told me about a PL experience she had. >She was so upset at the way she died that she carried that upset today. >It's too detailed to go into here, but it was the same time frame and the >same experience I had. She knew that she was a passenger in the car just >as >I knew I was the driver, driving too fast on the winding coastal highway in >California. IT was such a vivid memory for both of us under hypnosis. We >sat in awake as we literally could finish each other's sentences about that >experience including the type of car and the winding highway. So, is that >meaningful or useless depends upon the person. Is it the same as memory of >yesterday, certainly not. > >PLR is an experience. If you have not had it, it is more difficult than >trying to describe the peace in meditation or a vivid dream. Can it be >useful, certainly. Is it necessary, probably not. Should it be >discounted? >I guess that judgment is left to the judges. It's rather like someone >trying to describe the value of an astrology reading. It is more poignant >to experience a really good on for yourself. > >c > >- >"fas fas" <foreignersassistance ><gjlist> >Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:57 PM >Re: [GJ] Past life regression > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > You are all very experienced, learned, educated and well versed in the > > knowledge of divine Jyotish and other Vedic scripture. The discussion >of > > PLR is very facinating. I am a neophyte in learning Jyotish. I enjoy > > always your post and the discussions about vedic scripture time to time. > > > > However, if I may ask a very simple question and that is, can any body > > truly recall what she/he was thinking (going through her/his mind) >exactly > > yesterday at this same time of the hour, minute and second ? > > > > If you have the answer and remember sincerely what was going on in your >mind > > exactly at that time, you are really a super human. If not, I guess, >it > > is easy with a common sense approach to conclude about some body helping > > some one about PLR. > > > > I appreciate your time and thoughts. > > > > With best wishes.............................Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > >"Vivek " <keviv90 > > >gjlist > > >gjlist > > >Re: [GJ] Past life regression > > >3 Jun 2003 12:06:12 -0000 > > > > > >Dear Dave, > > >I did have a look at your wife's website. > > >Considering your wife's PLR and healing abilities,I am curious to > > >see her horoscope -- if yourself or she has no objection. > > >Regards, > > >vivek. > > > > > >On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 DaveBirr wrote : > > > > > > > >Dear Vivek,You may wish to consult my wife's website for further > > > >info on past > > > >life regression(susanwisehart.com) or read Many Lives,Many > > > >Masters by Brian > > > >Wiess.She is a trained psychologist with a specialty in altered > > > >state > > > >work,which she began when she enetered saturn dasa,saturn being > > > >in magha,a ketu ruled > > > >nakshatra.With her sun and mercury in the 8th,as a scorpio > > > >lagna,she is a > > > >natural therapist.My own experience of past life regressions,has > > > >persuaded me of > > > >their value,and I know that she has many clients who also have > > > >received much > > > >healing from their PLR experiences.One womem came whose daughter > > > >had seperation > > > >anxiety,for which no explanation could be found as she was an > > > >attentive stay at > > > >home mom.In a PLR the mother remembered committing suicide when > > > >her daughter > > > >in this life was her daughter then.Now the cause of the > > > >unconscious fear of > > > >abandonment was clear.She went home and without going into > > > >details told her > > > >daughter( about 8 years old) that she had left her in a past life > > > >and would not > > > >abandon her again in this life.The daughter at an unconscious > > > >level recognized > > > >the truth of what she was told and seperation anxiety was > > > >cured.Now the mother > > > >went back to her chiropractor who had been treating her for three > > > >years for > > > >cervical neck pain,and he could no longer find any problem after > > > >the > > > >regression,and she had no more pain.She had hung herself to > > > >comitt suicide in her past > > > >life.Is it all a metaphor,a story she made up?She and her > > > >daughter wer both > > > >healed as a result.Namaste, Dave > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > >Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > > >Just Rs.1499/year. > > >To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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