The essence of paganism

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One of the essences of this is found in the Tao Te Ching.

 

The river moves whether we stand in it, swim with it or swim against it. If we

try to stop it

it flows about us. If we drift with it, we see many wonderful things, each for

an instant.

 

The river flows in many directions. Many streams lead to the same river.

 

Thus many streams of thought lead to the same conclusion. Many paths lead to

the same truth.

Thought may carry us, or we can resist it, or we can try and stop it. No matter

what we do, the

stream of existance and enlightenment leads to the same truth. If we resist it,

we tire ourselves.

If we attempt to go ahead or behind it, we tire ourselves. If we flow with it

we see many wonderful

things.

 

Namaste'

John M

 

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On 6/11/2003 at 7:16 AM Das Goravani wrote:

 

>straighten, govern, etc., which nature abhors.

>

>The essence of Paganism is generally to go with nature. It's the circle

>(nature), verse the square (control).

>

>I'm finding that "going with the flow", staying moving, listening to the

>body, avoiding thoughts of gain or loss, having no fear, being in the

>moment, to be essential points of paganism.

>

>Do you have any thoughts?

>

 

 

 

 

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Hello everyone,

 

Hinduism, like the cultures of the early Europeans, is called Pagan by

Christianity come Romanism.

 

In trying to find self outside, beyond, back from, away from, this 2000 yr.

old oppressive conquest, one experiences difficulties in the West, because

it is so thoroughly conquested, finished off, Romanized, Christianized.

 

I am, as a hobby of self liberation, self fulfillment, self finding, self

correction, self healing, trying to find the essence of what it is to be

alive without the culture that was, so long ago, pushed upon my ancestors.

 

Indeed, it was when I was young that this quest of mine began, as I did join

the Hare Krishnas and go to India at a slight 19 yrs of age, having felt

anti-western feelings afore then of course.

 

Hindus of India have a similar albeit less problem, as they too have been

Westernized, by British rule then Industrialization, Westernization, which

continues, but they have so much of their original cultures still intact,

whereas we do not. Where here can one find temples of Brigit or Odin?

 

Indeed a number of Celtic scholars have written about how Druidism is best

now found in India. Indeed. I'm glad I learned a great deal about it by

reading, going there, living it, praying it, serving it.

 

One thing I've discovered is that, like the Gita says, the essence of

Paganism is to work without seeking fruit, to be in nature, to be in life,

but not trying to control it. Rome tried to control things. It was one of

the essences of Rome- to control all , to conquer, control, flatten,

straighten, govern, etc., which nature abhors.

 

The essence of Paganism is generally to go with nature. It's the circle

(nature), verse the square (control).

 

I'm finding that "going with the flow", staying moving, listening to the

body, avoiding thoughts of gain or loss, having no fear, being in the

moment, to be essential points of paganism.

 

Do you have any thoughts?

 

Roik MacAoidh

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Dear Roik,

 

I am so glad that you are returning to your Keltic Roots /some write Celtic,

both are`ok as per what I know. You see, you cannot, and you should not run

away from your roots- they are in your veins, in deep

layers of your being, they are your alter-ego..Nobody can live in piece with

oneself and be alienated of of the very essence of it. I sense that honest

passion and amazement-

ROIK Has arrived home..Let healing begging. You have so much to be proud

about Keltic roots/passion included/

 

I like this Roik very much, as you certainly do, too.

 

Roik, Roik, Roik, you are a winner.

 

Anna

 

 

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Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:16 AM

[GJ] The essence of paganism

 

 

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Hinduism, like the cultures of the early Europeans, is called Pagan by

> Christianity come Romanism.

>

> In trying to find self outside, beyond, back from, away from, this 2000

yr.

> old oppressive conquest, one experiences difficulties in the West, because

> it is so thoroughly conquested, finished off, Romanized, Christianized.

>

> I am, as a hobby of self liberation, self fulfillment, self finding, self

> correction, self healing, trying to find the essence of what it is to be

> alive without the culture that was, so long ago, pushed upon my ancestors.

>

> Indeed, it was when I was young that this quest of mine began, as I did

join

> the Hare Krishnas and go to India at a slight 19 yrs of age, having felt

> anti-western feelings afore then of course.

>

> Hindus of India have a similar albeit less problem, as they too have been

> Westernized, by British rule then Industrialization, Westernization, which

> continues, but they have so much of their original cultures still intact,

> whereas we do not. Where here can one find temples of Brigit or Odin?

>

> Indeed a number of Celtic scholars have written about how Druidism is best

> now found in India. Indeed. I'm glad I learned a great deal about it by

> reading, going there, living it, praying it, serving it.

>

> One thing I've discovered is that, like the Gita says, the essence of

> Paganism is to work without seeking fruit, to be in nature, to be in life,

> but not trying to control it. Rome tried to control things. It was one of

> the essences of Rome- to control all , to conquer, control, flatten,

> straighten, govern, etc., which nature abhors.

>

> The essence of Paganism is generally to go with nature. It's the circle

> (nature), verse the square (control).

>

> I'm finding that "going with the flow", staying moving, listening to the

> body, avoiding thoughts of gain or loss, having no fear, being in the

> moment, to be essential points of paganism.

>

> Do you have any thoughts?

>

> Roik MacAoidh

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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Namaste Listmembers

 

I'm finding that "going with the flow", staying moving, listening to thebody,

avoiding thoughts of gain or loss, having no fear, being in themoment, to be

essential points of paganism.Do you have any thoughts?

 

Hi Das,

I would like to add reverence to the essentials.

I have found a greater depth of personal understanding on 'paganism' through

study of traditional Australian Aborigines.

First there was the Great Serpent of creation. Aborigines believe their first

ancestors were Gods in many guises, making particular creations on earth and

sky; all ancestors returning to the dreamtime or eternal creative; what we

might call as something similar to the akashic records. I imagine this

delineation or membrane to be Brahmaic.

The living are charged with a duty or responsibility to maintain and perserve

the environment as they are immersed in creative spirit. Deep reverence allows a

'natural' flow of spiritual perception and understanding from ancestoral spirits

and 'nature spirits'. There is no spiritual 'free lunch' in any culture. Every

individual has an obligation to actively participate in the shared creation.

The rather dry label 'inanimate' strikes out badly with Aborigines. Boulders,

watering holes, undulations of the land etc, are believed ensouled. There is a

swimming consciousness that incorporates the dreamtime yet warps time as we

know it, as past present and future are simultaneous/co-existing.

It could be left as Heaven and Hell being here on earth but I find the

philosophy disarmingly similar to Vedic as it allows intimate guidance to be

perfectly natural.

As Jupiter glides towards Maghda I have been thinking more on this ancestoral

throne room. Hope to receive deeper insight!.

Om Shanti

Ann.

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Dear Ann & all ~

 

I think the essence of paganism is very earth-centered

Spirituality. Pagans perform rituals that mark special times through the

Seasons of the year in all rites of passage ceremonies. It is watching and

planting with the Moon and believing in the magic of Nature. Pagans live

harmoniously with all the natural elements and celebrate life. I think

they walk softly on the Earth.

 

Best always ~

Chandra

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Namaste Listmembers,

 

Dear Chandra Devi,

Thankyou for your thoughts and the lovely expression

"walking softly on the earth". Nice imagery with poetry

I haven't found any evidence that Australian Aborigines used astrology or

celebrated the solctices. Being 'hunter/gatherers, they seemed to take their

cues from their immediate environment, ie birds migrating, plants fruiting etc.

The oldest relic found so far has been dated at 60,000yrs...a large, heavy,

round stone about the size of a car wheel with circular engraving similar to

the Shakti chakra. (found in the desert of South Australia not far from my

home).

Aborigines are adamant they originated in Australia. They get very cranky

with modern migration theories!. What's to say they didn't migrate into Asia

from Australia??.

I have seen 'exact' pictorial representations of the Serpent and the same

painting style of Aborigines from Sri Lanka and Southern India.

Unfortunately, Aborigines were slaughtered on masse during the early days of

white invasion, so what little clues are left are isolated and fragmentary.

With Love and Best Wishes,

Ann.

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Dear Ann

There are definetely connections between Aboriginal and Vedic culture and also

Maori culture .This comes through in language and symbolism . There is a

picture of an aboriginal in the early 19th century decorated with Visnu tilak

.. In previous times the aborigines were not isolated from the world .

Exactly who started what where is an open ended question . At any rate the

aboriginal civilisation was able to sustain itself over thousands of years

while being remote to the rest of the world and had a deep spiritual conection

with the earth .

Best Wishes

Nicholas

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Monday, June 16, 2003 1:28 PM

[GJ] Re: The essence of paganism

Namaste Listmembers,

 

Dear Chandra Devi,

Thankyou for your thoughts and the lovely expression

"walking softly on the earth". Nice imagery with poetry

I haven't found any evidence that Australian Aborigines used astrology or

celebrated the solctices. Being 'hunter/gatherers, they seemed to take their

cues from their immediate environment, ie birds migrating, plants fruiting etc.

The oldest relic found so far has been dated at 60,000yrs...a large, heavy,

round stone about the size of a car wheel with circular engraving similar to

the Shakti chakra. (found in the desert of South Australia not far from my

home).

Aborigines are adamant they originated in Australia. They get very cranky

with modern migration theories!. What's to say they didn't migrate into Asia

from Australia??.

I have seen 'exact' pictorial representations of the Serpent and the same

painting style of Aborigines from Sri Lanka and Southern India.

Unfortunately, Aborigines were slaughtered on masse during the early days of

white invasion, so what little clues are left are isolated and fragmentary.

With Love and Best Wishes,

Ann.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send

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