To Be or not To Be

June 26, 2003

To the GJ list members:

I have recently joined this mailing list and I would like to correspond with

someone who can help me understand my vedic chart and the chart for my

husband. I purchased Goravani software a few years ago in hopes I could

answer some questions about some unusual events in my life and hopefully

suggest to my husband things we could do in advance of problems. I am not a

quick study of astrology but I do understand some of the basic concepts. I

have rectified the birth chart of my husband based on knowing him for 30

years now and recognizing his lagna, nakshaktra, and the moon sign of the

ascendant. I am at least within a few minutes of the actual birth time. I

have consulted a well known jyothishi about my chart, however I was told my

chart was very difficult to interpret, the consultation did not answer any

of the questions I had -but for some reason it helped me interpret my

husband's chart better. My husband and I only became aware that we have a

common karmic problem about 8 years ago. His chart may indicate the end of

the dangerous part or the ability to overcome it. I can not really

understand my chart because of the retrograde planets and Saturn major dasa

period was not something I knew I should be prepared for. I could not be

more isolated than if I were an actual ghost (of which I can see a lot of),

I don't mind this as much as my husband does, and he is very sad. A murder

attempt occurred on 10/16/1993 10 pm when a sadistic neighbor wanted me

killed. Some strange thing happened that prevented a bullet fired right at

me not to hit me. It took a year before the revelation of what happened came

out and after that I started realizing it was almost as if I didn't exist

anymore. We made jokes about my name getting dropped off important mail

etc.. or people acting as though I wasn't present or didn't exist. But we

are both very smart and knew it was happening in some way. There is some

real effect in what I am describing and although I was never sure I was real

at times this has been a very strange time. Numerous strange things have

happened, one incident in which a truck with the words "magic" written on it

nearly struck my husband as he exited a parked vehicle, (the truck did hit

the open door a split second before he stepped out) such incidents have

happened frequently (this is an understatement).

I am almost in Saturn dasa, Ketu bhukti and I don't see the conclusion. So I

am looking at Sten's chart for answers.

Chart info:

Sten, Kopparberg, Sweden

9:35:00 am 6/16/1952

Lydia, Hillsboro, Oregon

1:48:00 am 5/11/1957

Lord Ganesh is sitting close by so I hope I wrote this letter appropriately.

If anyone has an insight into the day it gets better or can point to the

signification's of the end of the trouble please email the list.

Truly,

Lydia

June 26, 2003

Dear Lydia

What exactly do you want to end?

It is important to be clear and specific. You chart is very good in many

ways. Yoga karaka is malavaya maha parusha. Jupiter in tight aspect to the

exalted Sun. I could go on.

Even the Saturn MD is not so bad. I have seen many happy, visible people

with charts that are much harder.

Now, I do see that Saturn is nearing Mars in ARdra and in the 5th. It would

seem that your thoughts are filled with fears. Perhaps the antidote it to

do something useful for others. Saturn feels best when he is productive.

When his hands are busy and he is helping those less fortunate. Mars is

more productive when he is physically active than when he is mentally

anxious. If you indeed want to be visible step out an help others then you

will be visible to them and feel more stable.

In reading you post I was amazed at the amount of protection you and your

husband have. I hope you are not asking that the protection end.

With Uranus and mars dancing near your lagna you may feel unstable and

restless. The antidote for that is grounded, centered activity like

gardening or working with nature for a cause. Saturn to Mars asks us to look

carefully at how we are investing our time and energy (mars) in the 5th in

mutual exchange with the lord of the 5th, it is asking you to look carefully

at where you invest your thoughts and what the return has been from that

investment: Do you feel more peaceful or less peaceful when you focus your

thoughts on your invisibility?

If the answer is less, then you need to take conscious steps (Saturn) to

redirect and reorganize those thoughts.

I do not mean to be harsh, simply responding to your request with the

knowledge of astrology as I see it. Saturn is lord of your 12th as well as

1st. This dasha can describe your personal prison (your thoughts as Saturn

disposits that Mars) or your personal peace. Saturn offers peace from

practical, tangible and productive action. Just put one foot in front of

the other and offer your skills to others....children would be good.

c

-

"Boone" <olboone

Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:56 PM

[GJ] To Be or not To Be

> To the GJ list members:

> I have recently joined this mailing list and I would like to correspond

with

> someone who can help me understand my vedic chart and the chart for my

> husband. I purchased Goravani software a few years ago in hopes I could

> answer some questions about some unusual events in my life and hopefully

> suggest to my husband things we could do in advance of problems. I am not

a

> quick study of astrology but I do understand some of the basic concepts. I

> have rectified the birth chart of my husband based on knowing him for 30

> years now and recognizing his lagna, nakshaktra, and the moon sign of the

> ascendant. I am at least within a few minutes of the actual birth time. I

> have consulted a well known jyothishi about my chart, however I was told

my

> chart was very difficult to interpret, the consultation did not answer any

> of the questions I had -but for some reason it helped me interpret my

> husband's chart better. My husband and I only became aware that we have a

> common karmic problem about 8 years ago. His chart may indicate the end of

> the dangerous part or the ability to overcome it. I can not really

> understand my chart because of the retrograde planets and Saturn major

dasa

> period was not something I knew I should be prepared for. I could not be

> more isolated than if I were an actual ghost (of which I can see a lot

of),

> I don't mind this as much as my husband does, and he is very sad. A murder

> attempt occurred on 10/16/1993 10 pm when a sadistic neighbor wanted me

> killed. Some strange thing happened that prevented a bullet fired right at

> me not to hit me. It took a year before the revelation of what happened

came

> out and after that I started realizing it was almost as if I didn't exist

> anymore. We made jokes about my name getting dropped off important mail

> etc.. or people acting as though I wasn't present or didn't exist. But we

> are both very smart and knew it was happening in some way. There is some

> real effect in what I am describing and although I was never sure I was

real

> at times this has been a very strange time. Numerous strange things have

> happened, one incident in which a truck with the words "magic" written on

it

> nearly struck my husband as he exited a parked vehicle, (the truck did hit

> the open door a split second before he stepped out) such incidents have

> happened frequently (this is an understatement).

> I am almost in Saturn dasa, Ketu bhukti and I don't see the conclusion. So

I

> am looking at Sten's chart for answers.

> Chart info:

> Sten, Kopparberg, Sweden

> 9:35:00 am 6/16/1952

> Lydia, Hillsboro, Oregon

> 1:48:00 am 5/11/1957

> Lord Ganesh is sitting close by so I hope I wrote this letter

appropriately.

> If anyone has an insight into the day it gets better or can point to the

> signification's of the end of the trouble please email the list.

> Truly,

> Lydia

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

June 26, 2003

<<...the total and complete loss of everything most people would consider essential.>>

Question to Lydia: I am wondering why you qualified your losses this way, as if

you personally do not consider your losses to be essential losses. Does this

mean you take a special philosophical approach to these events and do not

consider them essential?

<<I agree we have great looking charts as far as some of the readings but we

are not benefiting from many of the good planetary placements, (as much as

it initially looks like we could). That is what I meant when I indicated I

was looking for a break, especially for my husband. We have spent more than

$11,000. on yagyas and remedial measures in a short time and what I mean is

when will there be some hope that it will get better?>>

You say you are not benefiting from your good planetary placements, I say you

are and I claim you probably do not want to acknowledge the truth that you do

enjoy these benefits. You are highly educated, for a start, that's nothing,

though....

I do not know anyone else who has $11 thousand dollars to spend for ceremonies

meant to remediate or give a better life. The fact you have this much to give

to priests..................Well, "bless you", say the priests!

One of my classmates at our class reunion this past weekend told me his wife has

severe brain damage, he or someone responsible has to stay at home with her 24

hours a day. He had lost his job because he had to care for her at home. This

classmate was taking a break from his life of caring for his wife for the past

4 years, so we could all enjoy a High School reunion.

When you happily and selflessly perform a free service for others you shall get

a blessing in return.

When you have others perform a service for you, you will pay them dearly for

their service, that is what you get for focusing on having others help

yourself.

In order to have blessings from your money, offer it as a charitable

contribution to others less fortunate than you are. When circumstance prevents

them from being able to offer a service in return for your gift, they will send

you genuine, heartfelt blessings.

One question intrigues me, Lydia, because it speaks volumes about you. Despite

your good education and vast financial success, you ask a curious question.

I will repeat it here:

<<when will there be some hope that it will get better?>>

The answer to that question is best known by yourself, Lydia; only you can raise

your own hopes....of course, you know that anyway.

I wish that you will soon give yourself plenty of hopes and while you are acting

with faith on your many hopes, I wish you might implement creative ways to

improve the lives of those you meet along life's path. We (of the world) need

you to help us; you have a unique insight on what is genuine and what is not,

please help, show the way to us, give generously to those whose hands and

hearts are empty tonight. Thank you in advance; you will do this!

Love,

Carol Hook

June 26, 2003

Dear Cynthia:

I am not a petty person. I am writing about a real serious situation and I

did give it quite a bit of thought. I believe I have quite a bit of

protection, I've seen it in action, I might be complaining that is certainly

likely. My husband is very fatigued about all he has responsibility for and

I notice it is getting to the point I need to understand what to do. I am

physically disabled, I have nearly been murdered on a number of occasions

and we have been on the run avoiding many types of problems. We don't live

in a house, my husband no longer works at his career, we have dealt with

thieves, bad officials, corrupt employers, underworld types, weapons,

conniving people of all sorts, heavy financial losses, complicated health

problems, spiritual matters beyond the knowledge we have in this life, the

total and complete loss of everything most people would consider essential.

I agree we have great looking charts as far as some of the readings but we

are not benefiting from many of the good planetary placements, (as much as

it initially looks like we could). That is what I meant when I indicated I

was looking for a break, especially for my husband. We have spent more than

$11,000. on yagyas and remedial measures in a short time and what I mean is

when will there be some hope that it will get better?

I am not going through some planetary PMS. I think it is silly to even

mention "fears" in terms of mental activity to me. My chart is too difficult

to read accurately, I now have a second opinion to reinforce that. The first

time I hired my chart read the astrologer got very confused, I got a reading

somewhere between a really good person and potentially Hitler's bride. My

husband's life is a break even event, he knows more about deception,

treachery, and nerve wracking danger than a good person should have to. I

realize that works for something unseen, I'm complaining AND I want to know

when could I say "It really looks better here, now, this time, probably". I

would like to discuss what to look for in the way of transits and

dasha/bhukti periods that we can gain a foothold back into the world we are

tied to by our responsibilities such as bill paying, reducing heavy labor,

and dealing with life threatening health problems. Many of those problems

can be seen from my chart especially.

For instance both my husband and I have the moon placed in the eighth house.

In my case that is the lord of the sixth in the eighth. This is one reason I

have had multiple sclerosis for over 25 years. Putting one foot in front of

the other as you have suggested isn't always that easy. If I were indulging

in self pity I wouldn't have any trouble passing on. Maybe I could pass the

responsibility of licking this matter to my very disheartened husband. You

can't imagine the fear of leaving him here to deal with this on his own! I

am making a joke, To BE or not To BE, but really this is very serious. I do

understand some of the source of the problems but I don't understand what we

should be looking for. I did mention what the source of the problem is and I

think someone out there may catch my drift.

One problem I have is my environment presents a lot of challenges-physical,

mental, emotional and spiritual. This isolation is a real problem, not on

the level of a simple mental delusion. The events described occurred, and

not once but many variations with a lot of peculiar similarities. You are

correct about obtaining benefit from Jupiter, my husband is the person who

has to take a lot of responsibility in dealing in the world for me, it is a

tremendous burden for him.

Thank you for taking the time to read my letter. My chart is very difficult

to understand, possibly you have more information now to confirm that for

yourself.

Lydia

---- Original Message -----

"cynthianovak" <cynthianovak

Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:18 PM

Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> Dear Lydia

> What exactly do you want to end?

>

> It is important to be clear and specific. You chart is very good in many

> ways. Yoga karaka is malavaya maha parusha. Jupiter in tight aspect to

the

> exalted Sun. I could go on.

>

> Even the Saturn MD is not so bad. I have seen many happy, visible people

> with charts that are much harder.

>

> Now, I do see that Saturn is nearing Mars in ARdra and in the 5th. It

would

> seem that your thoughts are filled with fears. Perhaps the antidote it to

> do something useful for others. Saturn feels best when he is productive.

> When his hands are busy and he is helping those less fortunate. Mars is

> more productive when he is physically active than when he is mentally

> anxious. If you indeed want to be visible step out an help others then

you

> will be visible to them and feel more stable.

>

> In reading you post I was amazed at the amount of protection you and your

> husband have. I hope you are not asking that the protection end.

>

> With Uranus and mars dancing near your lagna you may feel unstable and

> restless. The antidote for that is grounded, centered activity like

> gardening or working with nature for a cause. Saturn to Mars asks us to

look

> carefully at how we are investing our time and energy (mars) in the 5th in

> mutual exchange with the lord of the 5th, it is asking you to look

carefully

> at where you invest your thoughts and what the return has been from that

> investment: Do you feel more peaceful or less peaceful when you focus

your

> thoughts on your invisibility?

>

> If the answer is less, then you need to take conscious steps (Saturn) to

> redirect and reorganize those thoughts.

>

> I do not mean to be harsh, simply responding to your request with the

> knowledge of astrology as I see it. Saturn is lord of your 12th as well

as

> 1st. This dasha can describe your personal prison (your thoughts as

Saturn

> disposits that Mars) or your personal peace. Saturn offers peace from

> practical, tangible and productive action. Just put one foot in front of

> the other and offer your skills to others....children would be good.

> c

> -

> "Boone" <olboone

> <gjlist>

> Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:56 PM

> [GJ] To Be or not To Be

>

> > To the GJ list members:

> > I have recently joined this mailing list and I would like to correspond

> with

> > someone who can help me understand my vedic chart and the chart for my

> > husband. I purchased Goravani software a few years ago in hopes I could

> > answer some questions about some unusual events in my life and hopefully

> > suggest to my husband things we could do in advance of problems. I am

not

> a

> > quick study of astrology but I do understand some of the basic concepts.

I

> > have rectified the birth chart of my husband based on knowing him for 30

> > years now and recognizing his lagna, nakshaktra, and the moon sign of

the

> > ascendant. I am at least within a few minutes of the actual birth time.

I

> > have consulted a well known jyothishi about my chart, however I was told

> my

> > chart was very difficult to interpret, the consultation did not answer

any

> > of the questions I had -but for some reason it helped me interpret my

> > husband's chart better. My husband and I only became aware that we have

a

> > common karmic problem about 8 years ago. His chart may indicate the end

of

> > the dangerous part or the ability to overcome it. I can not really

> > understand my chart because of the retrograde planets and Saturn major

> dasa

> > period was not something I knew I should be prepared for. I could not be

> > more isolated than if I were an actual ghost (of which I can see a lot

> of),

> > I don't mind this as much as my husband does, and he is very sad. A

murder

> > attempt occurred on 10/16/1993 10 pm when a sadistic neighbor wanted me

> > killed. Some strange thing happened that prevented a bullet fired right

at

> > me not to hit me. It took a year before the revelation of what happened

> came

> > out and after that I started realizing it was almost as if I didn't

exist

> > anymore. We made jokes about my name getting dropped off important mail

> > etc.. or people acting as though I wasn't present or didn't exist. But

we

> > are both very smart and knew it was happening in some way. There is some

> > real effect in what I am describing and although I was never sure I was

> real

> > at times this has been a very strange time. Numerous strange things have

> > happened, one incident in which a truck with the words "magic" written

on

> it

> > nearly struck my husband as he exited a parked vehicle, (the truck did

hit

> > the open door a split second before he stepped out) such incidents have

> > happened frequently (this is an understatement).

> > I am almost in Saturn dasa, Ketu bhukti and I don't see the conclusion.

So

> I

> > am looking at Sten's chart for answers.

> > Chart info:

> > Sten, Kopparberg, Sweden

> > 9:35:00 am 6/16/1952

> > Lydia, Hillsboro, Oregon

> > 1:48:00 am 5/11/1957

> > Lord Ganesh is sitting close by so I hope I wrote this letter

> appropriately.

> > If anyone has an insight into the day it gets better or can point to the

> > signification's of the end of the trouble please email the list.

> > Truly,

> > Lydia

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

June 26, 2003

It looks better when Saturn leaves your Mars

-

"Boone" <olboone

Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:51 PM

Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> Dear Cynthia:

> I am not a petty person. I am writing about a real serious situation and I

> did give it quite a bit of thought. I believe I have quite a bit of

> protection, I've seen it in action, I might be complaining that is

certainly

> likely. My husband is very fatigued about all he has responsibility for

and

> I notice it is getting to the point I need to understand what to do. I am

> physically disabled, I have nearly been murdered on a number of occasions

> and we have been on the run avoiding many types of problems. We don't live

> in a house, my husband no longer works at his career, we have dealt with

> thieves, bad officials, corrupt employers, underworld types, weapons,

> conniving people of all sorts, heavy financial losses, complicated health

> problems, spiritual matters beyond the knowledge we have in this life, the

> total and complete loss of everything most people would consider

essential.

> I agree we have great looking charts as far as some of the readings but we

> are not benefiting from many of the good planetary placements, (as much as

> it initially looks like we could). That is what I meant when I indicated I

> was looking for a break, especially for my husband. We have spent more

than

> $11,000. on yagyas and remedial measures in a short time and what I mean

is

> when will there be some hope that it will get better?

> I am not going through some planetary PMS. I think it is silly to even

> mention "fears" in terms of mental activity to me. My chart is too

difficult

> to read accurately, I now have a second opinion to reinforce that. The

first

> time I hired my chart read the astrologer got very confused, I got a

reading

> somewhere between a really good person and potentially Hitler's bride. My

> husband's life is a break even event, he knows more about deception,

> treachery, and nerve wracking danger than a good person should have to. I

> realize that works for something unseen, I'm complaining AND I want to

know

> when could I say "It really looks better here, now, this time, probably".

I

> would like to discuss what to look for in the way of transits and

> dasha/bhukti periods that we can gain a foothold back into the world we

are

> tied to by our responsibilities such as bill paying, reducing heavy labor,

> and dealing with life threatening health problems. Many of those problems

> can be seen from my chart especially.

> For instance both my husband and I have the moon placed in the eighth

house.

> In my case that is the lord of the sixth in the eighth. This is one reason

I

> have had multiple sclerosis for over 25 years. Putting one foot in front

of

> the other as you have suggested isn't always that easy. If I were

indulging

> in self pity I wouldn't have any trouble passing on. Maybe I could pass

the

> responsibility of licking this matter to my very disheartened husband. You

> can't imagine the fear of leaving him here to deal with this on his own!

I

> am making a joke, To BE or not To BE, but really this is very serious. I

do

> understand some of the source of the problems but I don't understand what

we

> should be looking for. I did mention what the source of the problem is and

I

> think someone out there may catch my drift.

> One problem I have is my environment presents a lot of

challenges-physical,

> mental, emotional and spiritual. This isolation is a real problem, not on

> the level of a simple mental delusion. The events described occurred, and

> not once but many variations with a lot of peculiar similarities. You are

> correct about obtaining benefit from Jupiter, my husband is the person who

> has to take a lot of responsibility in dealing in the world for me, it is

a

> tremendous burden for him.

> Thank you for taking the time to read my letter. My chart is very

difficult

> to understand, possibly you have more information now to confirm that for

> yourself.

> Lydia

> ---- Original Message -----

> "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak

> <gjlist>

> Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:18 PM

> Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

>

> > Dear Lydia

> > What exactly do you want to end?

> >

> > It is important to be clear and specific. You chart is very good in

many

> > ways. Yoga karaka is malavaya maha parusha. Jupiter in tight aspect to

> the

> > exalted Sun. I could go on.

> >

> > Even the Saturn MD is not so bad. I have seen many happy, visible

people

> > with charts that are much harder.

> >

> > Now, I do see that Saturn is nearing Mars in ARdra and in the 5th. It

> would

> > seem that your thoughts are filled with fears. Perhaps the antidote it

to

> > do something useful for others. Saturn feels best when he is

productive.

> > When his hands are busy and he is helping those less fortunate. Mars is

> > more productive when he is physically active than when he is mentally

> > anxious. If you indeed want to be visible step out an help others then

> you

> > will be visible to them and feel more stable.

> >

> > In reading you post I was amazed at the amount of protection you and

your

> > husband have. I hope you are not asking that the protection end.

> >

> > With Uranus and mars dancing near your lagna you may feel unstable and

> > restless. The antidote for that is grounded, centered activity like

> > gardening or working with nature for a cause. Saturn to Mars asks us to

> look

> > carefully at how we are investing our time and energy (mars) in the 5th

in

> > mutual exchange with the lord of the 5th, it is asking you to look

> carefully

> > at where you invest your thoughts and what the return has been from that

> > investment: Do you feel more peaceful or less peaceful when you focus

> your

> > thoughts on your invisibility?

> >

> > If the answer is less, then you need to take conscious steps (Saturn) to

> > redirect and reorganize those thoughts.

> >

> > I do not mean to be harsh, simply responding to your request with the

> > knowledge of astrology as I see it. Saturn is lord of your 12th as well

> as

> > 1st. This dasha can describe your personal prison (your thoughts as

> Saturn

> > disposits that Mars) or your personal peace. Saturn offers peace from

> > practical, tangible and productive action. Just put one foot in front

of

> > the other and offer your skills to others....children would be good.

> > c

> > -

> > "Boone" <olboone

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:56 PM

> > [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> >

> > > To the GJ list members:

> > > I have recently joined this mailing list and I would like to

correspond

> > with

> > > someone who can help me understand my vedic chart and the chart for my

> > > husband. I purchased Goravani software a few years ago in hopes I

could

> > > answer some questions about some unusual events in my life and

hopefully

> > > suggest to my husband things we could do in advance of problems. I am

> not

> > a

> > > quick study of astrology but I do understand some of the basic

concepts.

> I

> > > have rectified the birth chart of my husband based on knowing him for

30

> > > years now and recognizing his lagna, nakshaktra, and the moon sign of

> the

> > > ascendant. I am at least within a few minutes of the actual birth

time.

> I

> > > have consulted a well known jyothishi about my chart, however I was

told

> > my

> > > chart was very difficult to interpret, the consultation did not answer

> any

> > > of the questions I had -but for some reason it helped me interpret my

> > > husband's chart better. My husband and I only became aware that we

have

> a

> > > common karmic problem about 8 years ago. His chart may indicate the

end

> of

> > > the dangerous part or the ability to overcome it. I can not really

> > > understand my chart because of the retrograde planets and Saturn major

> > dasa

> > > period was not something I knew I should be prepared for. I could not

be

> > > more isolated than if I were an actual ghost (of which I can see a lot

> > of),

> > > I don't mind this as much as my husband does, and he is very sad. A

> murder

> > > attempt occurred on 10/16/1993 10 pm when a sadistic neighbor wanted

me

> > > killed. Some strange thing happened that prevented a bullet fired

right

> at

> > > me not to hit me. It took a year before the revelation of what

happened

> > came

> > > out and after that I started realizing it was almost as if I didn't

> exist

> > > anymore. We made jokes about my name getting dropped off important

mail

> > > etc.. or people acting as though I wasn't present or didn't exist. But

> we

> > > are both very smart and knew it was happening in some way. There is

some

> > > real effect in what I am describing and although I was never sure I

was

> > real

> > > at times this has been a very strange time. Numerous strange things

have

> > > happened, one incident in which a truck with the words "magic" written

> on

> > it

> > > nearly struck my husband as he exited a parked vehicle, (the truck did

> hit

> > > the open door a split second before he stepped out) such incidents

have

> > > happened frequently (this is an understatement).

> > > I am almost in Saturn dasa, Ketu bhukti and I don't see the

conclusion.

> So

> > I

> > > am looking at Sten's chart for answers.

> > > Chart info:

> > > Sten, Kopparberg, Sweden

> > > 9:35:00 am 6/16/1952

> > > Lydia, Hillsboro, Oregon

> > > 1:48:00 am 5/11/1957

> > > Lord Ganesh is sitting close by so I hope I wrote this letter

> > appropriately.

> > > If anyone has an insight into the day it gets better or can point to

the

> > > signification's of the end of the trouble please email the list.

> > > Truly,

> > > Lydia

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > : gjlist-

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

June 26, 2003

At 07:42 PM 6/26/03, you wrote:

Dear Lydia ~

Your letter about the problems you and your husband are having touched me

very deeply. All I can offer in the way of comfort is my heart felt

sympathies and prayers. I sincerely hope that you and your husband will

find your footing soon. Perhaps you could ask a local Church for support

while you do what you can to find your way. I know how debilitating

Mutiple Schlorisis is because my mother was burdened with it and was always

very emotional due to and through the deep losses she she was

experiencing. May the Great Spirit bless your lives in an extraordinary way.

Sincerely ~

Chandra

~

>It looks better when Saturn leaves your Mars

>

>-

>"Boone" <olboone

><gjlist>

>Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:51 PM

>Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

>

> > Dear Cynthia:

> > I am not a petty person. I am writing about a real serious situation and I

> > did give it quite a bit of thought. I believe I have quite a bit of

> > protection, I've seen it in action, I might be complaining that is

>certainly

> > likely. My husband is very fatigued about all he has responsibility for

>and

> > I notice it is getting to the point I need to understand what to do. I am

> > physically disabled, I have nearly been murdered on a number of occasions

> > and we have been on the run avoiding many types of problems. We don't live

> > in a house, my husband no longer works at his career, we have dealt with

> > thieves, bad officials, corrupt employers, underworld types, weapons,

> > conniving people of all sorts, heavy financial losses, complicated health

> > problems, spiritual matters beyond the knowledge we have in this life, the

> > total and complete loss of everything most people would consider

>essential.

> > I agree we have great looking charts as far as some of the readings but we

> > are not benefiting from many of the good planetary placements, (as much as

> > it initially looks like we could). That is what I meant when I indicated I

> > was looking for a break, especially for my husband. We have spent more

>than

> > $11,000. on yagyas and remedial measures in a short time and what I mean

>is

> > when will there be some hope that it will get better?

> > I am not going through some planetary PMS. I think it is silly to even

> > mention "fears" in terms of mental activity to me. My chart is too

>difficult

> > to read accurately, I now have a second opinion to reinforce that. The

>first

> > time I hired my chart read the astrologer got very confused, I got a

>reading

> > somewhere between a really good person and potentially Hitler's bride. My

> > husband's life is a break even event, he knows more about deception,

> > treachery, and nerve wracking danger than a good person should have to. I

> > realize that works for something unseen, I'm complaining AND I want to

>know

> > when could I say "It really looks better here, now, this time, probably".

>I

> > would like to discuss what to look for in the way of transits and

> > dasha/bhukti periods that we can gain a foothold back into the world we

>are

> > tied to by our responsibilities such as bill paying, reducing heavy labor,

> > and dealing with life threatening health problems. Many of those problems

> > can be seen from my chart especially.

> > For instance both my husband and I have the moon placed in the eighth

>house.

> > In my case that is the lord of the sixth in the eighth. This is one reason

>I

> > have had multiple sclerosis for over 25 years. Putting one foot in front

>of

> > the other as you have suggested isn't always that easy. If I were

>indulging

> > in self pity I wouldn't have any trouble passing on. Maybe I could pass

>the

> > responsibility of licking this matter to my very disheartened husband. You

> > can't imagine the fear of leaving him here to deal with this on his own!

>I

> > am making a joke, To BE or not To BE, but really this is very serious. I

>do

> > understand some of the source of the problems but I don't understand what

>we

> > should be looking for. I did mention what the source of the problem is and

>I

> > think someone out there may catch my drift.

> > One problem I have is my environment presents a lot of

>challenges-physical,

> > mental, emotional and spiritual. This isolation is a real problem, not on

> > the level of a simple mental delusion. The events described occurred, and

> > not once but many variations with a lot of peculiar similarities. You are

> > correct about obtaining benefit from Jupiter, my husband is the person who

> > has to take a lot of responsibility in dealing in the world for me, it is

>a

> > tremendous burden for him.

> > Thank you for taking the time to read my letter. My chart is very

>difficult

> > to understand, possibly you have more information now to confirm that for

> > yourself.

> > Lydia

> > ---- Original Message -----

> > "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:18 PM

> > Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> >

> > > Dear Lydia

> > > What exactly do you want to end?

> > >

> > > It is important to be clear and specific. You chart is very good in

>many

> > > ways. Yoga karaka is malavaya maha parusha. Jupiter in tight aspect to

> > the

> > > exalted Sun. I could go on.

> > >

> > > Even the Saturn MD is not so bad. I have seen many happy, visible

>people

> > > with charts that are much harder.

> > >

> > > Now, I do see that Saturn is nearing Mars in ARdra and in the 5th. It

> > would

> > > seem that your thoughts are filled with fears. Perhaps the antidote it

>to

> > > do something useful for others. Saturn feels best when he is

>productive.

> > > When his hands are busy and he is helping those less fortunate. Mars is

> > > more productive when he is physically active than when he is mentally

> > > anxious. If you indeed want to be visible step out an help others then

> > you

> > > will be visible to them and feel more stable.

> > >

> > > In reading you post I was amazed at the amount of protection you and

>your

> > > husband have. I hope you are not asking that the protection end.

> > >

> > > With Uranus and mars dancing near your lagna you may feel unstable and

> > > restless. The antidote for that is grounded, centered activity like

> > > gardening or working with nature for a cause. Saturn to Mars asks us to

> > look

> > > carefully at how we are investing our time and energy (mars) in the 5th

>in

> > > mutual exchange with the lord of the 5th, it is asking you to look

> > carefully

> > > at where you invest your thoughts and what the return has been from that

> > > investment: Do you feel more peaceful or less peaceful when you focus

> > your

> > > thoughts on your invisibility?

> > >

> > > If the answer is less, then you need to take conscious steps (Saturn) to

> > > redirect and reorganize those thoughts.

> > >

> > > I do not mean to be harsh, simply responding to your request with the

> > > knowledge of astrology as I see it. Saturn is lord of your 12th as well

> > as

> > > 1st. This dasha can describe your personal prison (your thoughts as

> > Saturn

> > > disposits that Mars) or your personal peace. Saturn offers peace from

> > > practical, tangible and productive action. Just put one foot in front

>of

> > > the other and offer your skills to others....children would be good.

> > > c

> > > -

> > > "Boone" <olboone

> > > <gjlist>

> > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:56 PM

> > > [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> > >

> > > > To the GJ list members:

> > > > I have recently joined this mailing list and I would like to

>correspond

> > > with

> > > > someone who can help me understand my vedic chart and the chart for my

> > > > husband. I purchased Goravani software a few years ago in hopes I

>could

> > > > answer some questions about some unusual events in my life and

>hopefully

> > > > suggest to my husband things we could do in advance of problems. I am

> > not

> > > a

> > > > quick study of astrology but I do understand some of the basic

>concepts.

> > I

> > > > have rectified the birth chart of my husband based on knowing him for

>30

> > > > years now and recognizing his lagna, nakshaktra, and the moon sign of

> > the

> > > > ascendant. I am at least within a few minutes of the actual birth

>time.

> > I

> > > > have consulted a well known jyothishi about my chart, however I was

>told

> > > my

> > > > chart was very difficult to interpret, the consultation did not answer

> > any

> > > > of the questions I had -but for some reason it helped me interpret my

> > > > husband's chart better. My husband and I only became aware that we

>have

> > a

> > > > common karmic problem about 8 years ago. His chart may indicate the

>end

> > of

> > > > the dangerous part or the ability to overcome it. I can not really

> > > > understand my chart because of the retrograde planets and Saturn major

> > > dasa

> > > > period was not something I knew I should be prepared for. I could not

>be

> > > > more isolated than if I were an actual ghost (of which I can see a lot

> > > of),

> > > > I don't mind this as much as my husband does, and he is very sad. A

> > murder

> > > > attempt occurred on 10/16/1993 10 pm when a sadistic neighbor wanted

>me

> > > > killed. Some strange thing happened that prevented a bullet fired

>right

> > at

> > > > me not to hit me. It took a year before the revelation of what

>happened

> > > came

> > > > out and after that I started realizing it was almost as if I didn't

> > exist

> > > > anymore. We made jokes about my name getting dropped off important

>mail

> > > > etc.. or people acting as though I wasn't present or didn't exist. But

> > we

> > > > are both very smart and knew it was happening in some way. There is

>some

> > > > real effect in what I am describing and although I was never sure I

>was

> > > real

> > > > at times this has been a very strange time. Numerous strange things

>have

> > > > happened, one incident in which a truck with the words "magic" written

> > on

> > > it

> > > > nearly struck my husband as he exited a parked vehicle, (the truck did

> > hit

> > > > the open door a split second before he stepped out) such incidents

>have

> > > > happened frequently (this is an understatement).

> > > > I am almost in Saturn dasa, Ketu bhukti and I don't see the

>conclusion.

> > So

> > > I

> > > > am looking at Sten's chart for answers.

> > > > Chart info:

> > > > Sten, Kopparberg, Sweden

> > > > 9:35:00 am 6/16/1952

> > > > Lydia, Hillsboro, Oregon

> > > > 1:48:00 am 5/11/1957

> > > > Lord Ganesh is sitting close by so I hope I wrote this letter

> > > appropriately.

> > > > If anyone has an insight into the day it gets better or can point to

>the

> > > > signification's of the end of the trouble please email the list.

> > > > Truly,

> > > > Lydia

> > > >

> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > > : gjlist-

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > : gjlist-

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

>

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June 26, 2003

Dear Chandra Devi,

I have gone thru' your multi-page description, one

thing clicked me out here deep imbalances of energy

through environmental pressure, as you have mentioned

here. Have u ever tried for finding out basic vaastu

defects,indeed,its quite different and new approach

for that you have to be very patient in confirming

vaastu defects which will be out from the thorough

scrutiny of your chart, like others are doing now, to

my querries.Next you have mentioned you have done many

poojas, spending money in poojas is not major

factor,but performing the same with purified poojaka

and utmost sanctity is important which you hardly get

now a days. Let me have the details of your poojas,

you have performed so far in order to analyze whether

cumulative effect of positive /negative energy flown

to you further due to this. Mind it due to certain

poojas performed improperly,bestows cumulative

negative energies. There are many more things to have

a new vedic approach,if you are interested you can

mail me back with your detailed horos, including

degrees and balance of Mahadasha in order to have past

details early child hood inorder to have the ideas of

basic defects and solution more logically and

scientifically which you can also feel.

With best wishes,

P K Tripathy.

--- Chandra Devi <wraye wrote:

> At 07:42 PM 6/26/03, you wrote:

> Dear Lydia ~

>

> Your letter about the problems you and your husband

> are having touched me

> very deeply. All I can offer in the way of comfort

> is my heart felt

> sympathies and prayers. I sincerely hope that you

> and your husband will

> find your footing soon. Perhaps you could ask a

> local Church for support

> while you do what you can to find your way. I know

> how debilitating

> Mutiple Schlorisis is because my mother was burdened

> with it and was always

> very emotional due to and through the deep losses

> she she was

> experiencing. May the Great Spirit bless your lives

> in an extraordinary way.

>

> Sincerely ~

> Chandra

> ~

>

> >It looks better when Saturn leaves your Mars

> >

> >-

> >"Boone" <olboone

> ><gjlist>

> >Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:51 PM

> >Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> >

> > > Dear Cynthia:

> > > I am not a petty person. I am writing about a

> real serious situation and I

> > > did give it quite a bit of thought. I believe I

> have quite a bit of

> > > protection, I've seen it in action, I might be

> complaining that is

> >certainly

> > > likely. My husband is very fatigued about all he

> has responsibility for

> >and

> > > I notice it is getting to the point I need to

> understand what to do. I am

> > > physically disabled, I have nearly been murdered

> on a number of occasions

> > > and we have been on the run avoiding many types

> of problems. We don't live

> > > in a house, my husband no longer works at his

> career, we have dealt with

> > > thieves, bad officials, corrupt employers,

> underworld types, weapons,

> > > conniving people of all sorts, heavy financial

> losses, complicated health

> > > problems, spiritual matters beyond the knowledge

> we have in this life, the

> > > total and complete loss of everything most

> people would consider

> >essential.

> > > I agree we have great looking charts as far as

> some of the readings but we

> > > are not benefiting from many of the good

> planetary placements, (as much as

> > > it initially looks like we could). That is what

> I meant when I indicated I

> > > was looking for a break, especially for my

> husband. We have spent more

> >than

> > > $11,000. on yagyas and remedial measures in a

> short time and what I mean

> >is

> > > when will there be some hope that it will get

> better?

> > > I am not going through some planetary PMS. I

> think it is silly to even

> > > mention "fears" in terms of mental activity to

> me. My chart is too

> >difficult

> > > to read accurately, I now have a second opinion

> to reinforce that. The

> >first

> > > time I hired my chart read the astrologer got

> very confused, I got a

> >reading

> > > somewhere between a really good person and

> potentially Hitler's bride. My

> > > husband's life is a break even event, he knows

> more about deception,

> > > treachery, and nerve wracking danger than a good

> person should have to. I

> > > realize that works for something unseen, I'm

> complaining AND I want to

> >know

> > > when could I say "It really looks better here,

> now, this time, probably".

> >I

> > > would like to discuss what to look for in the

> way of transits and

> > > dasha/bhukti periods that we can gain a foothold

> back into the world we

> >are

> > > tied to by our responsibilities such as bill

> paying, reducing heavy labor,

> > > and dealing with life threatening health

> problems. Many of those problems

> > > can be seen from my chart especially.

> > > For instance both my husband and I have the moon

> placed in the eighth

> >house.

> > > In my case that is the lord of the sixth in the

> eighth. This is one reason

> >I

> > > have had multiple sclerosis for over 25 years.

> Putting one foot in front

> >of

> > > the other as you have suggested isn't always

> that easy. If I were

> >indulging

> > > in self pity I wouldn't have any trouble passing

> on. Maybe I could pass

> >the

> > > responsibility of licking this matter to my very

> disheartened husband. You

> > > can't imagine the fear of leaving him here to

> deal with this on his own!

> >I

> > > am making a joke, To BE or not To BE, but really

> this is very serious. I

> >do

> > > understand some of the source of the problems

> but I don't understand what

> >we

> > > should be looking for. I did mention what the

> source of the problem is and

> >I

> > > think someone out there may catch my drift.

> > > One problem I have is my environment presents a

> lot of

> >challenges-physical,

> > > mental, emotional and spiritual. This isolation

> is a real problem, not on

> > > the level of a simple mental delusion. The

> events described occurred, and

> > > not once but many variations with a lot of

> peculiar similarities. You are

> > > correct about obtaining benefit from Jupiter, my

> husband is the person who

> > > has to take a lot of responsibility in dealing

> in the world for me, it is

> >a

> > > tremendous burden for him.

> > > Thank you for taking the time to read my letter.

> My chart is very

> >difficult

> > > to understand, possibly you have more

> information now to confirm that for

> > > yourself.

> > > Lydia

> > > ---- Original Message -----

> > > "cynthianovak"

> <cynthianovak

> > > <gjlist>

> > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:18 PM

> > > Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> > >

> > > > Dear Lydia

> > > > What exactly do you want to end?

> > > >

> > > > It is important to be clear and specific. You

> chart is very good in

> >many

> > > > ways. Yoga karaka is malavaya maha parusha.

> Jupiter in tight aspect to

> > > the

> > > > exalted Sun. I could go on.

> > > >

> > > > Even the Saturn MD is not so bad. I have seen

> many happy, visible

> >people

> > > > with charts that are much harder.

> > > >

> > > > Now, I do see that Saturn is nearing Mars in

> ARdra and in the 5th. It

> > > would

> > > > seem that your thoughts are filled with fears.

> Perhaps the antidote it

> >to

> > > > do something useful for others. Saturn feels

> best when he is

> >productive.

> > > > When his hands are busy and he is helping

> those less fortunate. Mars is

> > > > more productive when he is physically active

> than when he is mentally

> > > > anxious. If you indeed want to be visible

> step out an help others then

>

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Chandra Devi, thank you for your kind thoughts. Your mother must have had

peace in the fact you are her son.

Lydia

-

"Chandra Devi" <wraye

Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:24 PM

Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> At 07:42 PM 6/26/03, you wrote:

> Dear Lydia ~

>

> Your letter about the problems you and your husband are having touched me

> very deeply. All I can offer in the way of comfort is my heart felt

> sympathies and prayers. I sincerely hope that you and your husband will

> find your footing soon. Perhaps you could ask a local Church for support

> while you do what you can to find your way. I know how debilitating

> Mutiple Schlorisis is because my mother was burdened with it and was

always

> very emotional due to and through the deep losses she she was

> experiencing. May the Great Spirit bless your lives in an extraordinary

way.

>

> Sincerely ~

> Chandra

> ~

>

> >It looks better when Saturn leaves your Mars

> >

> >-

> >"Boone" <olboone

> ><gjlist>

> >Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:51 PM

> >Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> >

> > > Dear Cynthia:

> > > I am not a petty person. I am writing about a real serious situation

and I

> > > did give it quite a bit of thought. I believe I have quite a bit of

> > > protection, I've seen it in action, I might be complaining that is

> >certainly

> > > likely. My husband is very fatigued about all he has responsibility

for

> >and

> > > I notice it is getting to the point I need to understand what to do. I

am

> > > physically disabled, I have nearly been murdered on a number of

occasions

> > > and we have been on the run avoiding many types of problems. We don't

live

> > > in a house, my husband no longer works at his career, we have dealt

with

> > > thieves, bad officials, corrupt employers, underworld types, weapons,

> > > conniving people of all sorts, heavy financial losses, complicated

health

> > > problems, spiritual matters beyond the knowledge we have in this life,

the

> > > total and complete loss of everything most people would consider

> >essential.

> > > I agree we have great looking charts as far as some of the readings

but we

> > > are not benefiting from many of the good planetary placements, (as

much as

> > > it initially looks like we could). That is what I meant when I

indicated I

> > > was looking for a break, especially for my husband. We have spent more

> >than

> > > $11,000. on yagyas and remedial measures in a short time and what I

mean

> >is

> > > when will there be some hope that it will get better?

> > > I am not going through some planetary PMS. I think it is silly to

even

> > > mention "fears" in terms of mental activity to me. My chart is too

> >difficult

> > > to read accurately, I now have a second opinion to reinforce that. The

> >first

> > > time I hired my chart read the astrologer got very confused, I got a

> >reading

> > > somewhere between a really good person and potentially Hitler's bride.

My

> > > husband's life is a break even event, he knows more about deception,

> > > treachery, and nerve wracking danger than a good person should have

to. I

> > > realize that works for something unseen, I'm complaining AND I want to

> >know

> > > when could I say "It really looks better here, now, this time,

probably".

> >I

> > > would like to discuss what to look for in the way of transits and

> > > dasha/bhukti periods that we can gain a foothold back into the world

we

> >are

> > > tied to by our responsibilities such as bill paying, reducing heavy

labor,

> > > and dealing with life threatening health problems. Many of those

problems

> > > can be seen from my chart especially.

> > > For instance both my husband and I have the moon placed in the eighth

> >house.

> > > In my case that is the lord of the sixth in the eighth. This is one

reason

> >I

> > > have had multiple sclerosis for over 25 years. Putting one foot in

front

> >of

> > > the other as you have suggested isn't always that easy. If I were

> >indulging

> > > in self pity I wouldn't have any trouble passing on. Maybe I could

pass

> >the

> > > responsibility of licking this matter to my very disheartened husband.

You

> > > can't imagine the fear of leaving him here to deal with this on his

own!

> >I

> > > am making a joke, To BE or not To BE, but really this is very serious.

I

> >do

> > > understand some of the source of the problems but I don't understand

what

> >we

> > > should be looking for. I did mention what the source of the problem is

and

> >I

> > > think someone out there may catch my drift.

> > > One problem I have is my environment presents a lot of

> >challenges-physical,

> > > mental, emotional and spiritual. This isolation is a real problem, not

on

> > > the level of a simple mental delusion. The events described occurred,

and

> > > not once but many variations with a lot of peculiar similarities. You

are

> > > correct about obtaining benefit from Jupiter, my husband is the person

who

> > > has to take a lot of responsibility in dealing in the world for me, it

is

> >a

> > > tremendous burden for him.

> > > Thank you for taking the time to read my letter. My chart is very

> >difficult

> > > to understand, possibly you have more information now to confirm that

for

> > > yourself.

> > > Lydia

> > > ---- Original Message -----

> > > "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak

> > > <gjlist>

> > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:18 PM

> > > Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> > >

> > > > Dear Lydia

> > > > What exactly do you want to end?

> > > >

> > > > It is important to be clear and specific. You chart is very good in

> >many

> > > > ways. Yoga karaka is malavaya maha parusha. Jupiter in tight

aspect to

> > > the

> > > > exalted Sun. I could go on.

> > > >

> > > > Even the Saturn MD is not so bad. I have seen many happy, visible

> >people

> > > > with charts that are much harder.

> > > >

> > > > Now, I do see that Saturn is nearing Mars in ARdra and in the 5th.

It

> > > would

> > > > seem that your thoughts are filled with fears. Perhaps the antidote

it

> >to

> > > > do something useful for others. Saturn feels best when he is

> >productive.

> > > > When his hands are busy and he is helping those less fortunate.

Mars is

> > > > more productive when he is physically active than when he is

mentally

> > > > anxious. If you indeed want to be visible step out an help others

then

> > > you

> > > > will be visible to them and feel more stable.

> > > >

> > > > In reading you post I was amazed at the amount of protection you and

> >your

> > > > husband have. I hope you are not asking that the protection end.

> > > >

> > > > With Uranus and mars dancing near your lagna you may feel unstable

and

> > > > restless. The antidote for that is grounded, centered activity like

> > > > gardening or working with nature for a cause. Saturn to Mars asks us

to

> > > look

> > > > carefully at how we are investing our time and energy (mars) in the

5th

> >in

> > > > mutual exchange with the lord of the 5th, it is asking you to look

> > > carefully

> > > > at where you invest your thoughts and what the return has been from

that

> > > > investment: Do you feel more peaceful or less peaceful when you

focus

> > > your

> > > > thoughts on your invisibility?

> > > >

> > > > If the answer is less, then you need to take conscious steps

(Saturn) to

> > > > redirect and reorganize those thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > I do not mean to be harsh, simply responding to your request with

the

> > > > knowledge of astrology as I see it. Saturn is lord of your 12th as

well

> > > as

> > > > 1st. This dasha can describe your personal prison (your thoughts as

> > > Saturn

> > > > disposits that Mars) or your personal peace. Saturn offers peace

from

> > > > practical, tangible and productive action. Just put one foot in

front

> >of

> > > > the other and offer your skills to others....children would be

good.

> > > > c

> > > > -

> > > > "Boone" <olboone

> > > > <gjlist>

> > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:56 PM

> > > > [GJ] To Be or not To Be

> > > >

> > > > > To the GJ list members:

> > > > > I have recently joined this mailing list and I would like to

> >correspond

> > > > with

> > > > > someone who can help me understand my vedic chart and the chart

for my

> > > > > husband. I purchased Goravani software a few years ago in hopes I

> >could

> > > > > answer some questions about some unusual events in my life and

> >hopefully

> > > > > suggest to my husband things we could do in advance of problems. I

am

> > > not

> > > > a

> > > > > quick study of astrology but I do understand some of the basic

> >concepts.

> > > I

> > > > > have rectified the birth chart of my husband based on knowing him

for

> >30

> > > > > years now and recognizing his lagna, nakshaktra, and the moon sign

of

> > > the

> > > > > ascendant. I am at least within a few minutes of the actual birth

> >time.

> > > I

> > > > > have consulted a well known jyothishi about my chart, however I

was

> >told

> > > > my

> > > > > chart was very difficult to interpret, the consultation did not

answer

> > > any

> > > > > of the questions I had -but for some reason it helped me interpret

my

> > > > > husband's chart better. My husband and I only became aware that we

> >have

> > > a

> > > > > common karmic problem about 8 years ago. His chart may indicate

the

> >end

> > > of

> > > > > the dangerous part or the ability to overcome it. I can not really

> > > > > understand my chart because of the retrograde planets and Saturn

major

> > > > dasa

> > > > > period was not something I knew I should be prepared for. I could

not

> >be

> > > > > more isolated than if I were an actual ghost (of which I can see a

lot

> > > > of),

> > > > > I don't mind this as much as my husband does, and he is very sad.

A

> > > murder

> > > > > attempt occurred on 10/16/1993 10 pm when a sadistic neighbor

wanted

> >me

> > > > > killed. Some strange thing happened that prevented a bullet fired

> >right

> > > at

> > > > > me not to hit me. It took a year before the revelation of what

> >happened

> > > > came

> > > > > out and after that I started realizing it was almost as if I

didn't

> > > exist

> > > > > anymore. We made jokes about my name getting dropped off important

> >mail

> > > > > etc.. or people acting as though I wasn't present or didn't exist.

But

> > > we

> > > > > are both very smart and knew it was happening in some way. There

is

> >some

> > > > > real effect in what I am describing and although I was never sure

I

> >was

> > > > real

> > > > > at times this has been a very strange time. Numerous strange

things

> >have

> > > > > happened, one incident in which a truck with the words "magic"

written

> > > on

> > > > it

> > > > > nearly struck my husband as he exited a parked vehicle, (the truck

did

> > > hit

> > > > > the open door a split second before he stepped out) such incidents

> >have

> > > > > happened frequently (this is an understatement).

> > > > > I am almost in Saturn dasa, Ketu bhukti and I don't see the

> >conclusion.

> > > So

> > > > I

> > > > > am looking at Sten's chart for answers.

> > > > > Chart info:

> > > > > Sten, Kopparberg, Sweden

> > > > > 9:35:00 am 6/16/1952

> > > > > Lydia, Hillsboro, Oregon

> > > > > 1:48:00 am 5/11/1957

> > > > > Lord Ganesh is sitting close by so I hope I wrote this letter

> > > > appropriately.

> > > > > If anyone has an insight into the day it gets better or can point

to

> >the

> > > > > signification's of the end of the trouble please email the list.

> > > > > Truly,

> > > > > Lydia

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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June 27, 2003

Carol, I don't know if you are an astrologer or not. You have mistakenly read

things into my comments that are not true, and you have derived information

from my chart that is not accurate.

I initially gave the essential information about a murder attempt and

repetitions of that type of energy causing us a great many problems. I was

looking to the signs in a chart that would indicate the conclusion of that

incident. I felt from experience and being told by a reputed astrologer that my

chart is very difficult to interpret, currently with this discussion I'm finding

that is true. My husband's chart is less difficult, it is a chart I rectified as

I explained, and probably would give a better indication of a change for the

better. Also because the planets do not function "optimally" for us it causes

me to ask someone more experienced at reading charts than I am if upcoming

transits will help in any way regarding the description initially put forth.

My requirements for a "change for the better" are not the same as his. I can

function under adversity a little more contentedly. However he has real

problems that would be stifling for many people.

How "selfless I am or am not", how educated I am (I am self educated), how much

money my husband may have had, how substantial any sacrifices we may have made

are not what my point is. The planetary placements in my chart and his do not

give the results you have described and we have made efforts to improve this

(and we are not aware that these efforts have greatly helped).That is the

point.

Besides water, food and basic shelter I believe you can add a couple of

essentials to the list for yourself and anyone else who exists here in this

plane. There is a break from the norm in our lives that involves the entire

spectrum of life events that people go through in various degrees from birth to

death. A great many people, including astrologers think these progressions and

events as essential. I am not sure it matters whether I am philosophical about

it or not.

When I went looking for a diagnosis for my health problems many years ago I

encountered a great deal of "skepticism" regarding my description of the

problems. I took all that to heart and it made my problems a lot worse. I was

going to medical professionals who couldn't interpret a difficult case, and I

took a lot of abuse from their inadequate knowledge. This is a typical account

of people with the type of health problems that eventually manifested.

I do know what I am describing and I am mindful of whether it can be discussed

here. The information was stated in my initial email to the list members.

Thank you for taking the time to read this response to you,

Lydia

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Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com

gjlist

Friday, June 27, 2003 12:40 AM

Re: [GJ] To Be or not To Be

In a message dated 6/26/2003 9:58:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, olboone (AT) megalink (DOT) net writes:

<<...the total and complete loss of everything most people would consider

essential.>>Question to Lydia: I am wondering why you qualified your losses

this way, as if you personally do not consider your losses to be essential

losses. Does this mean you take a special philosophical approach to these

events and do not consider them essential?

<<I agree we have great looking charts as far as some of the readings but weare

not benefiting from many of the good planetary placements, (as much asit

initially looks like we could). That is what I meant when I indicated Iwas

looking for a break, especially for my husband. We have spent more than$11,000.

on yagyas and remedial measures in a short time and what I mean iswhen will

there be some hope that it will get better?>>You say you are not benefiting

from your good planetary placements, I say you are and I claim you probably do

not want to acknowledge the truth that you do enjoy these benefits. You are

highly educated, for a start, that's nothing, though....I do not know anyone

else who has $11 thousand dollars to spend for ceremonies meant to remediate or

give a better life. The fact you have this much to give to

priests..................Well, "bless you", say the priests! One of my

classmates at our class reunion this past weekend told me his wife has severe

brain damage, he or someone responsible has to stay at home with her 24 hours a

day. He had lost his job because he had to care for her at home. This classmate

was taking a break from his life of caring for his wife for the past 4 years, so

we could all enjoy a High School reunion.When you happily and selflessly perform

a free service for others you shall get a blessing in return. When you have

others perform a service for you, you will pay them dearly for their service,

that is what you get for focusing on having others help yourself. In order to

have blessings from your money, offer it as a charitable contribution to others

less fortunate than you are. When circumstance prevents them from being able to

offer a service in return for your gift, they will send you genuine, heartfelt

blessings.One question intrigues me, Lydia, because it speaks volumes about

you. Despite your good education and vast financial success, you ask a curious

question.I will repeat it here: <<when will there be some hope that it will get

better?>>The answer to that question is best known by yourself, Lydia; only you

can raise your own hopes....of course, you know that anyway.I wish that you

will soon give yourself plenty of hopes and while you are acting with faith on

your many hopes, I wish you might implement creative ways to improve the lives

of those you meet along life's path. We (of the world) need you to help us; you

have a unique insight on what is genuine and what is not, please help, show the

way to us, give generously to those whose hands and hearts are empty tonight.

Thank you in advance; you will do this!Love,Carol HookOm Namo Bhagavate

Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

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June 27, 2003

> To the GJ list members:

> I have recently joined this mailing list and I would like to correspond with>

someone who can help me understand my vedic chart and the chart for my>

husband.

You must be careful about asking a large group of people for advice as you may

end up with 100 different theories and become more confused than ever. I looked

at your chart and see it as being no different from any other chart in that it

has both strengths and weaknesses. I can see in five minutes what your trouble

is and I could explain it in a few sentences without you parting with any

money.

I have consulted a well known jyothishi about my chart, however I was told my>

chart was very difficult to interpret

Why would that be so? It is a horoscope like any other and to say it is very

difficult to interpret shows me you have consulted the wrong astrologer. Do not

assume that somebody who has a "name" or charges a high price actually knows how

to interpret a chart. The astrology world is full of bullshit artists.

the consultation did not answer any> of the questions I had -but for some

reason it helped me interpret my> husband's chart better. My husband and I only

became aware that we have a> common karmic problem about 8 years ago.

I would like to know what this "karmic" problem is. It is very easy for the

astrologer to throw everything he doesn't understand into the karma basket. You

say you both have a common karmic problem and I would ask. How do you know this?

Who told you this? Why do you think it is karma? Karma essentially means

"actions" like cause and effect actions.

I would like to know who you consulted and who told you to part with a large sum

of money to pay for yagyas etc. I have had many a person come to me after being

told such nonsense about their charts and the need to perform expensive

remedial measures etc. You need to tell us what you were told in regards to why

you needed these remedial measures.

I could tell you in a few sentences why you have suffered under Jupiter and

Saturn periods. It is no mystery and any honest astrologer would tell you in

five minutes. I also don't think any remedial measure can change your chart.

Visit my site at www.members.optushome.com.au/skinbags/ where you can read some

articles on karma etc.....

Andrew

June 27, 2003

Dear Andrew,

Thanks you for your response. I will look at your website.

Lydia

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Andrew Lynn

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Friday, June 27, 2003 11:21 AM