Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 It is a bit unclear. Many of the Celtic names were Anglicized over the years in attempts by the British to eradicate the Irish Celts (and to some extent the Scott Celts and the Manx Celts) as a race. It certainly is one reason. >From an archaeological sense, based on what I have read, the Babylonians were the master star gazers. They built observatories to measure the stars, not with telescopes but by sophisticated sighting devices that would appear to many like modern gun sights! It has been postulated that the famed "Tower of Babel" was as much an observatory as anything. The Babylonians also founded the measurement of angles and arcs, using their unique sexadecimal (6, 10) system, thus we have 360 degrees in a circle not 100. As to whether their forms of astrology still exist today, that would be a real mystery. The development of modern Western Astrology is based in part on Arabic, much later 300-500 AD vs 4000-6000 BC, observations of people and the stars. The Vedic roots go back to the 4000-6000 level and thus may be part of or at least cross polinated by the Babylonians. Considering there are very few records that survive that long, most of the world was non-textual, illiterate, or totally oral in their history, we have to depend more on what has been passed down both in the little written tradition, and what we can deduce from the more permanent artifices. If an archeaologist in the distant future, 5000-6000 years from now, were to find a fibreglass outhouse, what would they make of it? Perhaps a royal throne because of its color? This is how conjecture clouds history and archaelogy -- John M *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/3/2003 at 8:59 PM Boone wrote: >John M.: >Is that where the name Sean comes from, the meaning "traveling >warrior/teacher/poets"? Also are the Babylonians the originators of what is >now tropical astrology? >Lydia >- >"John Melka" <jmelka ><gjlist> >Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:45 PM >Re[4]: [GJ] A BEAUTIFUL PRAYER > > >> Yes, as Roik has said, the Celts were into Astrology (as evidenced by the >Henges, Stone and Wood) >> and if we examine some of the ancient tails of the Seanache (shawnahee, >the traveling warrior/teacher/poets) >> we find that one of the Irish / Celtic precursor races was called the >Firbolg. This in old Irish means "leather >> bag". So called for the bags they used to move earth and stones as those >who helped Alexander of Macedon, >> Alexander the Great, build the edifices of Greece and the western >provinces. This would have given them >> access to the Silk Road and the other cultures of the East. Since it is >taught that the mechanics of Astrology >> were all taught by the Babylonians (this being from the area now that >encompasses Iraq, a portion of Iran, Syria, >> and the lower slices of Turkey) and that the observational knowledge was >promulgated from there to the east >> and the west, one can draw conclusions from that, remembering that the >mechanics and the insights may be very >> separate. >> >> John M >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 8/3/2003 at 8:27 PM Boone wrote: >> >> >Did their knowledge of astrology come through higher states of awareness >> >or >> >was it borrowed from another culture? >> >Lydia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> : gjlist- >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to >> >> >> > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to "Yes Sir. Now do you know what your password is? Yes. It's asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk. Uh... was that.. uh.. actually.. Ha! You can't tell if I'm being really stupid or really clever. Can you! HAHAHA! " -- User Friendly, Aug 14, 1999 (Tech Support Call) John "Jack" Melka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 John M.: My grandfather was Scottish, his name was Saxton (Alexander family). Maybe I'm descended from the group being bred out from the Scot Celts. I have to wonder what would be written on the walls of the outhouse found 5000 years in the future that would indicate a King had sat there. Lydia - "John Melka" <jmelka <gjlist> Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:18 PM Re[6]: [GJ] A BEAUTIFUL PRAYER > It is a bit unclear. Many of the Celtic names were Anglicized over the years in attempts by the > British to eradicate the Irish Celts (and to some extent the Scott Celts and the Manx Celts) as a race. > It certainly is one reason. > > >From an archaeological sense, based on what I have read, the Babylonians were the master star gazers. > They built observatories to measure the stars, not with telescopes but by sophisticated sighting devices > that would appear to many like modern gun sights! It has been postulated that the famed "Tower of Babel" > was as much an observatory as anything. The Babylonians also founded the measurement of angles and > arcs, using their unique sexadecimal (6, 10) system, thus we have 360 degrees in a circle not 100. As to > whether their forms of astrology still exist today, that would be a real mystery. The development of modern > Western Astrology is based in part on Arabic, much later 300-500 AD vs 4000-6000 BC, observations of > people and the stars. The Vedic roots go back to the 4000-6000 level and thus may be part of or at least > cross polinated by the Babylonians. Considering there are very few records that survive that long, most of the > world was non-textual, illiterate, or totally oral in their history, we have to depend more on what has been passed > down both in the little written tradition, and what we can deduce from the more permanent artifices. > > If an archeaologist in the distant future, 5000-6000 years from now, were to find a fibreglass outhouse, what would > they make of it? Perhaps a royal throne because of its color? This is how conjecture clouds history and archaelogy > > -- John M > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 8/3/2003 at 8:59 PM Boone wrote: > > >John M.: > >Is that where the name Sean comes from, the meaning "traveling > >warrior/teacher/poets"? Also are the Babylonians the originators of what is > >now tropical astrology? > >Lydia > >- > >"John Melka" <jmelka > ><gjlist> > >Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:45 PM > >Re[4]: [GJ] A BEAUTIFUL PRAYER > > > > > >> Yes, as Roik has said, the Celts were into Astrology (as evidenced by the > >Henges, Stone and Wood) > >> and if we examine some of the ancient tails of the Seanache (shawnahee, > >the traveling warrior/teacher/poets) > >> we find that one of the Irish / Celtic precursor races was called the > >Firbolg. This in old Irish means "leather > >> bag". So called for the bags they used to move earth and stones as those > >who helped Alexander of Macedon, > >> Alexander the Great, build the edifices of Greece and the western > >provinces. This would have given them > >> access to the Silk Road and the other cultures of the East. Since it is > >taught that the mechanics of Astrology > >> were all taught by the Babylonians (this being from the area now that > >encompasses Iraq, a portion of Iran, Syria, > >> and the lower slices of Turkey) and that the observational knowledge was > >promulgated from there to the east > >> and the west, one can draw conclusions from that, remembering that the > >mechanics and the insights may be very > >> separate. > >> > >> John M > >> > >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >> > >> On 8/3/2003 at 8:27 PM Boone wrote: > >> > >> >Did their knowledge of astrology come through higher states of awareness > >> >or > >> >was it borrowed from another culture? > >> >Lydia > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >> : gjlist- > >> > >> > >> > >> Your use of is subject to > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > "Yes Sir. Now do you know what your password is? > > Yes. It's asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk. > > Uh... was that.. uh.. actually.. > > Ha! You can't tell if I'm being really stupid or really clever. Can you! HAHAHA! " > -- User Friendly, Aug 14, 1999 (Tech Support Call) > > John "Jack" Melka > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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