Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Peter, Thank you for your kind reply letter, again full of wisdom. Yes, I put up ads about myself on telephone polls around town- complete with picture. I had various ones, all color printed, even had little tear off phone numbers. I tried everything, online, phone line, direct hits in grocerie stores, but all woman ran away. However, I am intriguing, so I get attention. I sometimes wear scottish style clothing around town, I drive a strangely painted car usually, and emit strange vibrations which turn heads. However, no dating occured, no nothing. Why? Because I didn't believe in myself. Why? Because there's more I want to add to myself before I add a person. That's what was happening. I wanted to get rid of fear, and be able to live the spirituality I know to be true. I know alot, and wasn't really living up to it in body and life. I was essentially being lazy. I'm fighting this more now these days. I'm off everything, all aids and helpers, all crutches, even prescribed ones. My son, who is very handsome, and as buff for his age as Arnold Schwartenegger (whatever) has NO problem speaking to girls and getting phone numbers. The difference is confidence. He's proud of himself, and I'm not proud of myself. I am ashamed of my weaknesses. I want to be higher myself, before I connect up to someone else. So I'm working on that. In this sense, we know what's good. It's God, you could say, but it's really you. How about the term "co-creation". Is it "God", the almighty person, separate from ourselves keeping a karmic lawbook, or is it ourselves, the God part out in nature somewhere, who is doing it all himself. Either way, the game is the same, but the awareness is not. When we take responsibility, we get in motion and don't blame. When we think it's all outside ourselves, we feel victimized. Religions often teach that it is outside ourselves. This is good for creating control systems, socieities, cultures, priesthoods, temples, congregations, cities, etc., but it does not necessarily create strong individuals. This is where the simultaneous "oneness yet difference" must be balanced. We tend to see the difference mostly, in religion- God up there, us down here. We're the victims, praying for mercy. On the other hand, the oneness would conceptually allow us into the realm of co-creation. We become little Gods with some ability to co-create or manifest. Now I am a big believer in pre-determinism, but I also see clearly that no astrologer is really that good, as to really predict all the future correctly all the time...so "God", has made it such that the apparition of co-creation is still possible. In Druidic lore and Vedic lore, we see great sages who did things by their powers. They killed big demons with mantras- they built things with mantras, fought war with mantras. So what's up with that? Did they have it in their charts "Can do anything by mantra". What placement gives that ability? What placements give "will be beaten in war by a sage with a mantra"? I think what I see is that the ancient religions believed in co-creation. They believed that one could achieve some limited yogic powers, some sidhis, if one wanted. On a smaller scale, in our own lives, we can decide to become fit, or healthy, or popular, or rich, or good at something. We can fix our minds and try to achieve something. As Zig Ziglar the motivational speaker used to say: "Whatever your mind can conceive and believe, you can achieve" That's true, I find. But I have really nicely placed benefics, Venus in first, Jupiter in 9th in Sag. This helps. It's all in the cards, yet, the play is, that it is not, that we have to try. Detachment is a huge achievement that makes playing strongly possible. Caesar commented that the Druids teaching the Celts about reincarnation was one of his real foes- in that it made the Celts fear death much less. Detachment means "forget the result". It frees you up from sadness, lamentation, etc., over not getting. Leaves you with the time to focus on achieving. Struggle, don't judge. Anthony Robbins says "focus on DOING 90 percent of the time, and worry only 10%" rather than worry 90, and focus 10. Krishnamurti teaches "don't think". So does the new pop help book "The Power of Now". Don't think. Just do. Thinking sees time and feels preasure, stress, worry, etc., whereas doing produces results. When my depression started, the thought was "oh my God, I'm getting older and I haven't got what I want..." (more or less) The fear was MORBIDLY INTENSE. My strong mind played out a sad song and a miserable picture to myself and I sunk into severe pain. After years of that pain, I got around to "Oh well, yep, nothing's going to happen, and I don't care anymore, I can sit here til I die". Weird, but I got used to it. I gave up my vivid and many dreams. Then, slowly, I'm coming back around to action, but with the added bonus of not being so attached. I was just too damn attached when I was younger- a spring buck with a real ego. I finally see that only real action is real, that thinking about success or whatever, is not success. Action is real, thoughts are not (when it comes to manifesting materially). Since there are things I want, to manifest them I have to take action, act as if they're coming, see them coming, feel them, be them, do them, get them, be real about it, in other words. Take all the hits one must take in climbing the mountain one is trying to climb. Internally, to keep that kind of commitment and fire alive, I find contemplating the divine truths over and over to be helpful. These change as I realize new levels of the divine truth, but hover around a. what is consciousness and perception b. how real is anything, what is relativity c. never forget the suddenness and totallity of mortal death d. see the long term big picture e. do the immediate moment fully, be present f. see that all things are interlinked, come in own time, manifest correctly g. everything is perfect. I've attached a picture, don't know if it will come through, it's a Celtic painting I made when recovering, which says "Every moment is perfect". Peace Roik MacKay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 I drive a strangely painted car usually, and emit strange vibrations which turn heads.....Far Out man:)Are you actively seeking a lady friend at the moment,or just letting things happen? Your e-mail is very deep and contains an awful lot of powerful wisdom.Bit too much to digest in this heat.I will look again later.The picture did not come,try another way.To hot and late in the evening to reply.Obviously as a... Jyotish... your chart must speak to you a lot,it has all the answers you need,surely?Um........... as a confidence builder,um:).......ever thought of a self defence technique,......Um:)..........??? Enjoy your day,the next and the next,why not:) Chill:) Peter. - "Das Goravani" <> <gjlist> Friday, August 08, 2003 10:57 PM [GJ] God knows what's good... > > Peter, > > Thank you for your kind reply letter, again full of wisdom. > > Yes, I put up ads about myself on telephone polls around town- complete with > picture. I had various ones, all color printed, even had little tear off > phone numbers. I tried everything, online, phone line, direct hits in > grocerie stores, but all woman ran away. > > However, I am intriguing, so I get attention. I sometimes wear scottish > style clothing around town, I drive a strangely painted car usually, and > emit strange vibrations which turn heads. > > However, no dating occured, no nothing. Why? > > Because I didn't believe in myself. Why? Because there's more I want to add > to myself before I add a person. That's what was happening. > > I wanted to get rid of fear, and be able to live the spirituality I know to > be true. I know alot, and wasn't really living up to it in body and life. I > was essentially being lazy. I'm fighting this more now these days. I'm off > everything, all aids and helpers, all crutches, even prescribed ones. > > My son, who is very handsome, and as buff for his age as Arnold > Schwartenegger (whatever) has NO problem speaking to girls and getting phone > numbers. The difference is confidence. He's proud of himself, and I'm not > proud of myself. I am ashamed of my weaknesses. I want to be higher myself, > before I connect up to someone else. So I'm working on that. > > In this sense, we know what's good. It's God, you could say, but it's really > you. How about the term "co-creation". > > Is it "God", the almighty person, separate from ourselves keeping a karmic > lawbook, or is it ourselves, the God part out in nature somewhere, who is > doing it all himself. Either way, the game is the same, but the awareness is > not. When we take responsibility, we get in motion and don't blame. When we > think it's all outside ourselves, we feel victimized. > > Religions often teach that it is outside ourselves. This is good for > creating control systems, socieities, cultures, priesthoods, temples, > congregations, cities, etc., but it does not necessarily create strong > individuals. > > This is where the simultaneous "oneness yet difference" must be balanced. We > tend to see the difference mostly, in religion- God up there, us down here. > We're the victims, praying for mercy. > > On the other hand, the oneness would conceptually allow us into the realm of > co-creation. We become little Gods with some ability to co-create or > manifest. > > Now I am a big believer in pre-determinism, but I also see clearly that no > astrologer is really that good, as to really predict all the future > correctly all the time...so "God", has made it such that the apparition of > co-creation is still possible. > > In Druidic lore and Vedic lore, we see great sages who did things by their > powers. They killed big demons with mantras- they built things with mantras, > fought war with mantras. So what's up with that? > > Did they have it in their charts "Can do anything by mantra". What placement > gives that ability? > > What placements give "will be beaten in war by a sage with a mantra"? > > I think what I see is that the ancient religions believed in co-creation. > They believed that one could achieve some limited yogic powers, some sidhis, > if one wanted. > > On a smaller scale, in our own lives, we can decide to become fit, or > healthy, or popular, or rich, or good at something. We can fix our minds and > try to achieve something. As Zig Ziglar the motivational speaker used to > say: > > "Whatever your mind can conceive and believe, you can achieve" > > That's true, I find. But I have really nicely placed benefics, Venus in > first, Jupiter in 9th in Sag. This helps. It's all in the cards, yet, the > play is, that it is not, that we have to try. > > Detachment is a huge achievement that makes playing strongly possible. > Caesar commented that the Druids teaching the Celts about reincarnation was > one of his real foes- in that it made the Celts fear death much less. > > Detachment means "forget the result". It frees you up from sadness, > lamentation, etc., over not getting. Leaves you with the time to focus on > achieving. Struggle, don't judge. Anthony Robbins says "focus on DOING 90 > percent of the time, and worry only 10%" rather than worry 90, and focus 10. > > Krishnamurti teaches "don't think". So does the new pop help book "The Power > of Now". Don't think. Just do. > > Thinking sees time and feels preasure, stress, worry, etc., whereas doing > produces results. > > When my depression started, the thought was "oh my God, I'm getting older > and I haven't got what I want..." (more or less) > > The fear was MORBIDLY INTENSE. My strong mind played out a sad song and a > miserable picture to myself and I sunk into severe pain. > > After years of that pain, I got around to "Oh well, yep, nothing's going to > happen, and I don't care anymore, I can sit here til I die". Weird, but I > got used to it. I gave up my vivid and many dreams. > > Then, slowly, I'm coming back around to action, but with the added bonus of > not being so attached. I was just too damn attached when I was younger- a > spring buck with a real ego. > > I finally see that only real action is real, that thinking about success or > whatever, is not success. Action is real, thoughts are not (when it comes to > manifesting materially). Since there are things I want, to manifest them I > have to take action, act as if they're coming, see them coming, feel them, > be them, do them, get them, be real about it, in other words. Take all the > hits one must take in climbing the mountain one is trying to climb. > > Internally, to keep that kind of commitment and fire alive, I find > contemplating the divine truths over and over to be helpful. These change as > I realize new levels of the divine truth, but hover around > > a. what is consciousness and perception > b. how real is anything, what is relativity > c. never forget the suddenness and totallity of mortal death > d. see the long term big picture > e. do the immediate moment fully, be present > f. see that all things are interlinked, come in own time, manifest correctly > g. everything is perfect. > > I've attached a picture, don't know if it will come through, it's a Celtic > painting I made when recovering, which says "Every moment is perfect". > > Peace > > Roik MacKay > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Hello Roik and Peter, Thanks for Friday-evening fun. You obviously communicate very nicely- Roik hasn't responded so well to any 'female' post, so far. Can I interrupt your 'all-male-chat' ? What if the girls are just afraid of intensity of your 'signals' ? As much, and even more than you are afraid of them? Just a thought. Wish you both all the best, Anna - "Peter Goodchild" <Peter <gjlist> Friday, August 08, 2003 6:01 PM Re: [GJ] God knows what's good... > > I drive a strangely painted car usually, and > emit strange vibrations which turn heads.....Far Out man:)Are you actively > seeking a lady friend at the moment,or just letting things happen? > > Your e-mail is very deep and contains an awful lot of powerful wisdom.Bit > too much to digest in this heat.I will look again later.The picture did not > come,try another way.To hot and late in the evening to reply.Obviously as > a... Jyotish... your chart must speak to you a lot,it has all the answers > you need,surely?Um........... as a confidence builder,um:).......ever > thought of a self defence technique,......Um:)..........??? > Enjoy your day,the next and the next,why not:) > Chill:) > Peter. > > > - > "Das Goravani" <> > <gjlist> > Friday, August 08, 2003 10:57 PM > [GJ] God knows what's good... > > > > > > Peter, > > > > Thank you for your kind reply letter, again full of wisdom. > > > > Yes, I put up ads about myself on telephone polls around town- complete > with > > picture. I had various ones, all color printed, even had little tear off > > phone numbers. I tried everything, online, phone line, direct hits in > > grocerie stores, but all woman ran away. > > > > However, I am intriguing, so I get attention. I sometimes wear scottish > > style clothing around town, I drive a strangely painted car usually, and > > emit strange vibrations which turn heads. > > > > However, no dating occured, no nothing. Why? > > > > Because I didn't believe in myself. Why? Because there's more I want to > add > > to myself before I add a person. That's what was happening. > > > > I wanted to get rid of fear, and be able to live the spirituality I know > to > > be true. I know alot, and wasn't really living up to it in body and life. > I > > was essentially being lazy. I'm fighting this more now these days. I'm off > > everything, all aids and helpers, all crutches, even prescribed ones. > > > > My son, who is very handsome, and as buff for his age as Arnold > > Schwartenegger (whatever) has NO problem speaking to girls and getting > phone > > numbers. The difference is confidence. He's proud of himself, and I'm not > > proud of myself. I am ashamed of my weaknesses. I want to be higher > myself, > > before I connect up to someone else. So I'm working on that. > > > > In this sense, we know what's good. It's God, you could say, but it's > really > > you. How about the term "co-creation". > > > > Is it "God", the almighty person, separate from ourselves keeping a karmic > > lawbook, or is it ourselves, the God part out in nature somewhere, who is > > doing it all himself. Either way, the game is the same, but the awareness > is > > not. When we take responsibility, we get in motion and don't blame. When > we > > think it's all outside ourselves, we feel victimized. > > > > Religions often teach that it is outside ourselves. This is good for > > creating control systems, socieities, cultures, priesthoods, temples, > > congregations, cities, etc., but it does not necessarily create strong > > individuals. > > > > This is where the simultaneous "oneness yet difference" must be balanced. > We > > tend to see the difference mostly, in religion- God up there, us down > here. > > We're the victims, praying for mercy. > > > > On the other hand, the oneness would conceptually allow us into the realm > of > > co-creation. We become little Gods with some ability to co-create or > > manifest. > > > > Now I am a big believer in pre-determinism, but I also see clearly that no > > astrologer is really that good, as to really predict all the future > > correctly all the time...so "God", has made it such that the apparition of > > co-creation is still possible. > > > > In Druidic lore and Vedic lore, we see great sages who did things by their > > powers. They killed big demons with mantras- they built things with > mantras, > > fought war with mantras. So what's up with that? > > > > Did they have it in their charts "Can do anything by mantra". What > placement > > gives that ability? > > > > What placements give "will be beaten in war by a sage with a mantra"? > > > > I think what I see is that the ancient religions believed in co-creation. > > They believed that one could achieve some limited yogic powers, some > sidhis, > > if one wanted. > > > > On a smaller scale, in our own lives, we can decide to become fit, or > > healthy, or popular, or rich, or good at something. We can fix our minds > and > > try to achieve something. As Zig Ziglar the motivational speaker used to > > say: > > > > "Whatever your mind can conceive and believe, you can achieve" > > > > That's true, I find. But I have really nicely placed benefics, Venus in > > first, Jupiter in 9th in Sag. This helps. It's all in the cards, yet, the > > play is, that it is not, that we have to try. > > > > Detachment is a huge achievement that makes playing strongly possible. > > Caesar commented that the Druids teaching the Celts about reincarnation > was > > one of his real foes- in that it made the Celts fear death much less. > > > > Detachment means "forget the result". It frees you up from sadness, > > lamentation, etc., over not getting. Leaves you with the time to focus on > > achieving. Struggle, don't judge. Anthony Robbins says "focus on DOING 90 > > percent of the time, and worry only 10%" rather than worry 90, and focus > 10. > > > > Krishnamurti teaches "don't think". So does the new pop help book "The > Power > > of Now". Don't think. Just do. > > > > Thinking sees time and feels preasure, stress, worry, etc., whereas doing > > produces results. > > > > When my depression started, the thought was "oh my God, I'm getting older > > and I haven't got what I want..." (more or less) > > > > The fear was MORBIDLY INTENSE. My strong mind played out a sad song and a > > miserable picture to myself and I sunk into severe pain. > > > > After years of that pain, I got around to "Oh well, yep, nothing's going > to > > happen, and I don't care anymore, I can sit here til I die". Weird, but I > > got used to it. I gave up my vivid and many dreams. > > > > Then, slowly, I'm coming back around to action, but with the added bonus > of > > not being so attached. I was just too damn attached when I was younger- a > > spring buck with a real ego. > > > > I finally see that only real action is real, that thinking about success > or > > whatever, is not success. Action is real, thoughts are not (when it comes > to > > manifesting materially). Since there are things I want, to manifest them I > > have to take action, act as if they're coming, see them coming, feel them, > > be them, do them, get them, be real about it, in other words. Take all the > > hits one must take in climbing the mountain one is trying to climb. > > > > Internally, to keep that kind of commitment and fire alive, I find > > contemplating the divine truths over and over to be helpful. These change > as > > I realize new levels of the divine truth, but hover around > > > > a. what is consciousness and perception > > b. how real is anything, what is relativity > > c. never forget the suddenness and totallity of mortal death > > d. see the long term big picture > > e. do the immediate moment fully, be present > > f. see that all things are interlinked, come in own time, manifest > correctly > > g. everything is perfect. > > > > I've attached a picture, don't know if it will come through, it's a Celtic > > painting I made when recovering, which says "Every moment is perfect". > > > > Peace > > > > Roik MacKay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 My mother would agree with your astrological observation, and I - almost, Good point to start with, Dear Roik, Anna - "Das Goravani" <> <gjlist> Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:40 AM Re: [GJ] God knows what's good... > > >What if the girls are just afraid of intensity of your 'signals' ? As much, > and even more than you are afraid of them? > > Whatever is wrong, I wish it would fix, soon, as I'm dieing on the vine > here. > > My latest thought, which is currently running in my head, is that I'll burn > all this manic energy, and time, especially evening time when my ghosts > always come back, in working out, and I'll "buff 'em". In other words, I'll > make my body out of the question desireable, to get the "middle age belly" > out of the question. That at least is one thing I know how to do, excercise. > > As for relating to the fair gender, I still need help. > > Er, uh, good guy here, .... > > > This post is related to astrology! > > It shows that indeed, Mars does rule stupidity. > > > roik > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 >What if the girls are just afraid of intensity of your 'signals' ? As much, and even more than you are afraid of them? Whatever is wrong, I wish it would fix, soon, as I'm dieing on the vine here. My latest thought, which is currently running in my head, is that I'll burn all this manic energy, and time, especially evening time when my ghosts always come back, in working out, and I'll "buff 'em". In other words, I'll make my body out of the question desireable, to get the "middle age belly" out of the question. That at least is one thing I know how to do, excercise. As for relating to the fair gender, I still need help. Er, uh, good guy here, .... This post is related to astrology! It shows that indeed, Mars does rule stupidity. roik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 Das/Roik and Peter, Lots of people have complaints/problems about relationships and the opposite sex. I don't think the problem is just women treating men so bad or vice versa. What is the spiritual basis for these problems in each of our lives and how can we work it out? Astrologically- how can your current situation be interpreted? Is there an indication of a time it will improve? Is there any remedy for this that astrology can help with? Peter asked this same question in an earlier email too. Lydia - "Das Goravani" <> <gjlist> Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:40 AM Re: [GJ] God knows what's good... > > >What if the girls are just afraid of intensity of your 'signals' ? As much, > and even more than you are afraid of them? > > Whatever is wrong, I wish it would fix, soon, as I'm dieing on the vine > here. > > My latest thought, which is currently running in my head, is that I'll burn > all this manic energy, and time, especially evening time when my ghosts > always come back, in working out, and I'll "buff 'em". In other words, I'll > make my body out of the question desireable, to get the "middle age belly" > out of the question. That at least is one thing I know how to do, excercise. > > As for relating to the fair gender, I still need help. > > Er, uh, good guy here, .... > > > This post is related to astrology! > > It shows that indeed, Mars does rule stupidity. > > > roik > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 Here's the eternal verity, that puts everything in perspective: >g. everything is perfect. Far be it from me to try to modify, contradict, or interfere in any way whatsoever with the utterances of the prophet/oracle/lover-of-truth Das (btw most prophets had a very hard time; alternately raving, frothing at the mouth; or eating dirt; and then sometimes they would speak something from on high...). Most prophets pay a price for the privilege of having a "link" to the source. Anyway..... But maybe just this one time let me add my two cents: h. Nothing happens (in our mortal lives) until God decrees it so Das will get a woman; I'll get a woman...only when God lets it happen. God is Love, of course; and there is only the best (perfect) reason that He adds or witholds things in our lives; but God is God and we're us. So I guess we kind of pale to insignificance in comparison, and God can come off as pretty "hard" sometimes...with the emphasis on IT SEEMS VERY MUCH TO BE SO!!!! I could if rattle off my own little litany if I wanted to, but I'm trying to be more spiritual about it. In the meantime I bide my time and do the best that I can. I found this messge in my mailbox today from Drudge: "Continuous effort, not strength or intelligence, is the key to unlocking our potential." - Winston Churchill Curtis Curtis Burns (KOF) Vedic Astrology www.StarWorldNews.com Online Astrology Newsmagazine Free Newsletters about Astrology and Prosperity curtis curtisburns Minneapolis, MN, USA 612-823-9104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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