Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Dear Janna, Have you received my message I sent to you re your JU MD? If you didn't I can resend-it was 'meant' to comfort you, not makes you unduly fearful!!! I know that internet and in particular make jokes these days! No, no more suffering- Ju nature and its 'baghya' nature for Cn lagna will certainly will certainly be much better experience than Ra MD To have Ju as AK is very good too. When it happens that AK is Lagnesh as well, Sanjay says one will become either a saint or criminal /my free interpretation!/ My experience confirms this symbolic, it's been very 'special' time for me- and I am still around and pretty much alive-Ju is not your Lagnesh, to start with... don't take all astro. keywords literally- If it happens that you do that /to yourself/ honestly, it would be better for you to follow what you wrote about spirituality and faith- have trust in God /and yourself/, do 'unto others....' and enjoy life flow...Ju will bring that for you, I hope. Don't let anything rob you of your initiative and joy- I don't think astrology is meant to do that- if it does, to you, change the focus- that's my opinion- that astrology should help you be more at peace with yourself, enjoy more, fear less, in God's hands we all are 'safe'. besides, brave man dies once, a coward million times- Wish you luck and joy, dear Janna, Anna - "Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn <gjlist> Saturday, September 13, 2003 6:34 PM Re: Sv: [GJ] Chakras/Planetary Gemology > > Dear Anna: I am worried anew about your explanation: > > /AK is 'good' for purification through suffering, so, strengthening > > AK with Pearl would increase pain and help one renounce the > material world- > > which has never been my intention- so, better to > > avoid if small life happiness is what you need/ > > If Jupiter is AK (NT H-3, Cancer lagna) and I am entering Jupiter > MD, does this mean more suffering? Is so, please explain the > nature. I have just been through 18 years of suffering (and it > wasn't my intention either although I finally accepted it with Rahu > Dasa, Rahu/lunar nodal return and sadesati the last 9 years: > Molatov cocktail in threes!) It has all been about "purification > through suffering." Doesn't JD change that??? > > Janna > Satyam Shivam Sundaram > http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ > > > gjlist, "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Janna, > > > > Very good explanation:...should be incorporated to enhance > spiritual > > practice, not > > > substitute for it, > > > > For YS- Ju is Lord of sixth H /not only 9th/ for Cn Lagna, and > even though I > > intimately agree that 9th H is much stronger, > > I do not see the reason for wearing the gem /Our Das, Roik, > with his > > impressive Ju in 9th H -Yoga with Sa as well, never > > accepted to try YS- I would try coral, though, dear Roik, if I were > you!!/ > > Ju will work well with prayers and faith, anyway, if not better! I > do see > > good things related to 6th H /my 6th at least/ that can > > be well incorporated with 9th, but no need for YS. > > > > Before I learned from Sanjay's teachings that Moon is my AK, I > was told to > > wear pearls by many good astrologers, > > /and I did- white, pink, yellow../- > > I tried and gave up quickly.. > > I am in fact grateful that Moon MD hasn't been worse /pradaba > karma, fifth > > H; > > AK and lagnesh, Molotov Cocktail!!. > > /AK is 'good' for purification through suffering, so, > strengthening > > AK with Pearl would increase pain and help one renounce the > material world- > > which has never been my intention- so, better to > > avoid if small life happiness is what you need/ > > > > No harm in trying, though. > > > > As everything else, 'it depends...' on so many factors. > > > > Best wishes, > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > "Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn> > > <gjlist> > > Saturday, September 13, 2003 4:34 PM > > Re: Sv: [GJ] Chakras/Planetary Gemology > > > > > > > Dear Anna and Amar: > > > > > > I humbly thank you both for your advice, and I will take it > without > > > asking the reason, as it is generously offered. Actually, I do > not > > > have the means to purchase either a blue or a yellow > sapphire: it > > > is through mantra and meditation, reflection and > contemplation, > > > discrimination and detachment that I propitiate the planets > and > > > thus try to keep my auric body in balance. (Perhaps I should > > > clarify that it is my abyasa, or self-effort, to keep these ideals > as a > > > daily conscious practice in my life in the hope that I may one > day > > > integrate them more fully in my practical life). > > > > > > Yes. I have an appreciation for gemology, as I do astrology > and > > > many of the sacred, occult sciences, but I also believe from > my > > > personal experience that these are "points of departure" and > > > should be incorporated to enhance spiritual practice, not > > > substitute for it, so that one day these material "names and > > > forms" may be transcended. In the meantime, they are > among > > > those who serve as "guides" and gurus to true illumination. > > > > > > Satyam Shivam Sundaram > > > > > > Janna > > > > > > http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist, "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Janna and Amar, > > > > > > > > I agree with you- no sapphire neither Blue nor yellow- let Ju > MD > > > do it it's > > > > own way! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anna > > > > - > > > > "fas fas" <foreignersassistance@h...> > > > > <gjlist> > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2003 3:33 PM > > > > Re: Sv: [GJ] Chakras/Planetary Gemology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Janna, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification. You are truly engaged in > > > spiritual > > > > > activities. Materially, you may experience difficulty. > However, > > > you are > > > > > able and well versed to transend in to spiritual activities. > You > > > are > > > > like > > > > > a lotus flower never touched by water, thus, never let > material > > > nature > > > > > effects your spiritual growth. That is why lord saturn is > > > transitting in > > > > > your natal 12h of detechment as well as guru in the 2nd. > > > house of your > > > > natal > > > > > chart indicating service to the guru and helping to the > needy > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > My little suggestion to you is that please do not wear any > > > yellow or blue > > > > > saphire at all. You must propitiate the guru and shani > > > (including Ra/Ke.) > > > > > which ever way you are able to do. > > > > > > > > > > May Guru enlighten your mind and remove all the > obstacles > > > on your way. > > > > > Hari Bol. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.............................Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn> > > > > > >gjlist > > > > > >gjlist > > > > > >Re: Sv: [GJ] Chakras/Planetary Gemology > > > > > >Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:50:45 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh dear, oh dear, Amar Puri, it is not my writing but a > very > > > > > >learned astrologer. I got the information from his web > site > > > > > >((www.agt-gems.com/book/contents.html) because > Vivek > > > > > >requested more information on planetary gemology. > > > > > > > > > > > >In fact, I am Cancer lagna (with Cancer Sun 1 degree > > > combust > > > > > >Sani in H-1) and TR Sani is in H-12. Actually, I am > > > wondering > > > > > >from other Cancer lagnas (and others on the list) about > the > > > effect > > > > > >of 12th house TR Saturn in Gemini for the next couple of > > > years? > > > > > > > > > > > >But thank you for wishing me to be the best in health > and > > > spirit, > > > > > >since Rahu dasa ends in 21 days, followed by Jupiter > dasa! > > > I am > > > > > >hoping Jupiter dasa will counteract TR Sani in H-12. > (And > > > also, > > > > > >we are waiting to see if Hurricane Isabel will strike the > US > > > > > >southeast coast in the next few days). > > > > > > > > > > > >RE: "I request you to please confirm if you did wear the > said > > > > > >blue saphire gem > > > > > > > in gold in middle finger of your left hand on an > > > auspicous > > > > > >time?" > > > > > > > > > > > >I am thinking that a yellow sapphire or yellow topaz > would > > > be > > > > > >better for me than a blue sapphire (if Brhaspataye > brings > > > any > > > > > >abundance my way)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Satyam Shivam Sundaram > > > > > > > > > > > >Janna > > > > > > > > > > > >http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist, "fas fas" > > > > > ><foreignersassistance@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Dear Janna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Bol ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you are in the best of your health and spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing such a elabrated knowledge > and > > > your > > > > > >personal > > > > > > > experience on wearing gems as per article below. It > > > appears > > > > > >from your > > > > > > > article that you are a leo ascendent and saturn is > placed > > > in 12h > > > > > >of Cancer > > > > > > > in your native chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request you to please confirm if you did wear the > said > > > blue > > > > > >saphire gem > > > > > > > in gold in middle finger of your left hand on an > > > auspicous > > > > > >time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you again for your kind co-operation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes...........................Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn> > > > > > > > >gjlist > > > > > > > >gjlist > > > > > > > >Re: Sv: [GJ] Chakras/Planetary Gemology > > > > > > > >Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:06:35 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Vivek: Planetary Gemology: > > > > > > > >(www.agt-gems.com/book/contents.html): Here is > some > > > > > >good > > > > > > > >background information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Janna > > > > > > > >Satyam Shivam Sundaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://seven_directions.tripod.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding gemstones -- How exactly do they > > > work? -- > > > > > >From > > > > > > > >what > > > > > > > > > >I > > > > > > > > > > > have heard,they make changes in one's aura. > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > vivek. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1. First look to the lagna or rising sign and then > check > > > the lord > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >the rising sign to see if it is in an auspicious > condition in > > > the > > > > > >rasi > > > > > > > >and navamsa charts. If this is the case then we > > > > > >wholeheartedly > > > > > > > >prescribe the gemstone ruled by the lagna's lord. > > > Example: If > > > > > > > >one has Leo rising we look to the position of the Sun > > > (Lord of > > > > > > > >Leo) in the chart. If the Sun is posited in an > auspicious > > > sign, > > > > > >e.g., > > > > > > > >sign of exaltation, own sign, trine, or at least a > friendly > > > sign, it > > > > > >will > > > > > > > >act in a beneficial way. If any of these are the case > then > > > we > > > > > >may > > > > > > > >recommended ruby or another "Sun jewel" as one's > first > > > gem > > > > > > > >choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A list of the primary rising sign gems is given as > follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >RISING SIGN (Lagna) RULING PLANET > GEMSTONE > > > > > > > >Aries Mars Red Coral > > > > > > > >Taurus Venus Diamond > > > > > > > >Gemini Mercury Emerald > > > > > > > >Cancer Moon Pearl > > > > > > > >Leo Sun Ruby > > > > > > > >Virgo Mercury Emerald > > > > > > > >Libra Venus Diamond > > > > > > > >Scorpio Mars Coral > > > > > > > >Sagittarius Jupiter Yellow Sapphire > > > > > > > >Capricorn Saturn Blue Sapphire > > > > > > > >Aquarius Saturn Blue Sapphire > > > > > > > >Pisces Jupiter Yellow Sapphire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2. We next check the position of the planet ruling > one's > > > > > > > >mahadasha or major planetary period. If this planet > is > > > > > > > >well-placed in both the rasi as well as the navamsa > > > charts > > > > > >then > > > > > > > >we prescribe that planet's gemstone(s) for use > during > > > the > > > > > > > >duration of the mahadasha period. Example: If one > is in > > > or > > > > > > > >entering a Jupiter mahadasha and if Jupiter is > posited > > > in an > > > > > > > >auspicious sign and/or house position, then we > > > recommend > > > > > > > >yellow sapphire or another natural yellow gemstone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >3. Next we look to one's birth sign or Moon rasi , i.e., > the > > > sign > > > > > >in > > > > > > > >which the Moon is posited at the time of one's birth. > In > > > > > >sidereal > > > > > > > >astrology the Moon's sign position is considered > very > > > > > >important. > > > > > > > >Example: If one's Moon sign is Leo, a sign ruled by > the > > > Sun, > > > > > >then > > > > > > > >we must look to the sign and house position of the > Sun > > > in the > > > > > > > >horoscope. If the Sun is located in an auspicious > > > position in > > > > > >both > > > > > > > >the rasi chart and the navamsa chart then we can > > > > > >recommend a > > > > > > > >ruby or other red Sun jewel as one's "birth stone." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The list of these Vedic "birthstones" as shown in > > > Chapter II is > > > > > > > >repeated again here for easy reference: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >BIRTHSTONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >RULING PLANET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MOON SIGN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ruby Sun Leo > > > > > > > >Pearl Moon Cancer > > > > > > > >Coral Mars Aries/Scorpio > > > > > > > >Emerald Mercury Gemini/Virgo > > > > > > > >Yellow Sapphire Jupiter Sagittarius/Pisces > > > > > > > >Diamond Venus Taurus/Libra > > > > > > > >Blue Sapphire Saturn Capricorn/Aquarius > > > > > > > >Hessonite Rahu N/A > > > > > > > >Cat's eye Ketu N/A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >4. We then check the janma-naksatra or the > > > constellation in > > > > > > > >which the Moon is posited at birth. Each of these 27 > > > birth > > > > > >stars is > > > > > > > >ruled by one of the nine planets recognized in > sidereal > > > > > >astrology. > > > > > > > >Example: If one's birth constellation is "punarvasu" > (the > > > 7th > > > > > > > >constellation), which is ruled by Jupiter, then we look > to > > > the > > > > > > > >position of Jupiter in the horoscope. If Jupiter is > located > > > in an > > > > > > > >auspicious sign and/or house position in both the > rasi > > > chart > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >the navamsa chart, then we can recommend yellow > > > sapphire > > > > > >or > > > > > > > >another yellow "Jupiter" jewel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Following is a list of the 27 constellations, their > ruling > > > planet > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >corresponding gemstone: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >BIRTH STAR RULED BY GEM > > > > > > > >ASWINI KETU CAT'S EYE > > > > > > > >BHARANI VENUS DIAMOND > > > > > > > >KARTIKAI SUN RUBY > > > > > > > >ROHINI MOON PEARL > > > > > > > >MRIGASIRA MARS CORAL > > > > > > > >ADRA RAHU HESSONITE > > > > > > > >PUNARVASU JUPITER YELLOW-SAPPHIRE > > > > > > > >PUSHYAM SATURN BLUE-SAPPHIRE > > > > > > > >ASLESHA MERCURY EMERALD > > > > > > > >MAGHAM KETU CAT'S EYE > > > > > > > >POORVA-PHALGUNI VENUS DIAMOND > > > > > > > >UTTAR-PHALGUNI SUN RUBY > > > > > > > >HASTAM MOON PEARL > > > > > > > >CHITRA MARS CORAL > > > > > > > >SWATI RAHU HESSONITE > > > > > > > >VISHAKAM JUPITER YELLOW-SAPPHIRE > > > > > > > >ANURADHA SATURN BLUE-SAPPHIRE > > > > > > > >JUSTHA MERCURY EMERALD > > > > > > > >MOOLAM KETU CAT'S EYE > > > > > > > >POORVASHADA VENUS DIAMOND > > > > > > > >UTTARSHADA SUN RUBY > > > > > > > >SRAVANA MOON PEARL > > > > > > > >DHANISTHA MARS CORAL > > > > > > > >POORVABADRAPADA JUPITER > YELLOW-SAPPHIRE > > > > > > > >UTTARBHADRAPADA SATURN BLUE-SAPPHIRE > > > > > > > >REVATHI MERCURY EMERALD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >5. Next we examine all the nine planets in the rasi > chart > > > to > > > > > >see if > > > > > > > >any are exalted. Planets which are in their sign of > > > maximum > > > > > > > >strength (exaltation) give positive and beneficial > results, > > > and > > > > > >their > > > > > > > >gemstone(s) may be used with advantage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >6. Another consideration is sign ownership . A > planet > > > which is > > > > > > > >located in it's own sign will give beneficial results, > and > > > that > > > > > > > >planet's gem can also be used to advantage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >7. A further consideration is any planet which is in > it's > > > sign of > > > > > > > >mulatrikona or trine. A Planet in mulatrikona gives > > > beneficial > > > > > > > >results similar to an exalted planet, and their gem(s) > > > may be > > > > > > > >used to advantage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >8. A planet which is located in a friendly sign will > also > > > give > > > > > > > >beneficial results, and it's gemstone may be used to > > > > > >advantage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >9. Our final consideration is preference based on > the > > > > > > > >characteristic "planetary influence." Example: If a > person > > > > > >wishes > > > > > > > >to use a Sun jewel like ruby or red spinel to increase > > > their > > > > > >name > > > > > > > >and fame, then we will recommend that stone > provided > > > the > > > > > > > >person's Sun is not located in an unfriendly or > > > inauspicious > > > > > >sign > > > > > > > >and/or house position in their sidereal horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NOTE: It is our practiced and well-considered > opinion > > > that > > > > > >fine, > > > > > > > >natural gemstones do indeed "strengthen" or > magnify > > > the > > > > > > > >influence of their associated planets. Therefore, > lucky > > > planets > > > > > >= > > > > > > > >lucky gems. If a person intends to wear their lucky > > > gemstone > > > > > > > >then they should only use gems which are related to > > > planets > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >are considered to be "lucky" or posited in an > auspicious > > > rasi > > > > > > > >(zodiac sign) and/or bhava (house) in their sidereal > birth > > > > > >chart. > > > > > > > >Gemstones do not alter or change the angle, > position or > > > > > > > >condition in which planets are placed in one's > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > >Methods for propitiating or reducing the harmful > effects > > > of evil > > > > > >or > > > > > > > >malevolently placed planets in one's birth chart > include > > > the > > > > > > > >chanting of planetary mantras, prescribed sacrifices > > > and > > > > > >charity. > > > > > > > >These may be performed along with the use of > > > associated > > > > > > > >planetary gemstones to help "magnify" the prayer. A > > > person > > > > > >who > > > > > > > >is unwilling to perform these meritorious acts > should > > > not use > > > > > > > >gems for unlucky planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >IMPORTANT: Which ever planetary gemstone(s) you > > > choose > > > > > > > >must be free of visible flaws in order to properly > transmit > > > > > > > >beneficial astral energy. Even though there is > precious > > > little > > > > > > > >direct information on the use of planetary > gemstones in > > > the > > > > > > > >Vedic texts, we do have the following quote from the > > > ancient > > > > > > > >Agni-puranam, (Chapter 246, Verses 7 & 8): > > > > > > > >"A gem free from all impurities > > > > > > > >and radiating its characteristic internal luster > > > > > > > >should be looked upon as an "escort" of good luck. > > > > > > > >A gem which is cracked, fissured, devoid of luster, > > > > > > > >or appearing rough or sandy, > > > > > > > >should not be used at all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With all these methods it is necessary to first cast a > > > person's > > > > > > > >sidereal horoscope or janma-patrika (birth chart). > This > > > > > >requires > > > > > > > >very expert calculations based on one's birth date, > time > > > and > > > > > > > >place. If one doesn't know their birth "time" it is still > > > possible > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >cast the horoscope accurately enough to see the > > > planetary > > > > > >"sign" > > > > > > > >positions (although this is much less precise in > other > > > areas). > > > > > > > >After casting the horoscope, look to see if any of the > > > planets > > > > > >are > > > > > > > >in "auspicious" rasi positions. All of these > "auspicious" > > > sign > > > > > > > >positions give good results. According to B.V. > Raman, > > > India's > > > > > > > >leading astrologer, "A planet in it's own sign is > rendered > > > > > > > >powerful to do good. A planet in it's sign of exaltation > is > > > > > >rendered > > > > > > > >even more powerful to do good than in it's own sign. > A > > > planet > > > > > >in > > > > > > > >it's sign of mulatrikona is rendered powerful to do > good > > > > > >similar > > > > > > > >to when in exaltation." Planets which are in enemy > signs > > > or > > > > > > > >which are debilitated usually have harmful or > > > inauspicious > > > > > > > >influences. Professor Raman also states that > planets > > > which > > > > > >are > > > > > > > >debilitated give results opposite of when in strong > sign > > > > > > > >positions. In other words, "bad results." (NOTE: > There > > > are > > > > > >certain > > > > > > > >astrological considerations which may "cancel" > harmful > > > > > > > >planetary positions; but it is the opinion of most > sidereal > > > > > > > >astrologers that "once a bad planet, always a bad > > > planet.") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >An example may be taken from one of my own > > > experiences > > > > > >with > > > > > > > >gem therapy. According to my Sidereal horoscope I > have > > > > > >some > > > > > > > >exalted (strong) planets, some weak planets and > some > > > > > >negative > > > > > > > >planets. Saturn in particular is already a krura-graha > or > > > cruel > > > > > > > >planet and it's position in my horoscope is even > worse. > > > Still, I > > > > > > > >was advised by some sidereal astrologers to use a > > > blue > > > > > > > >sapphire, the gem for Saturn, in order to "pacify" > > > Saturn's > > > > > >harmful > > > > > > > >influence on me. This brings up the question of how > > > gems > > > > > > > >should be chosen and what their effects will be. One > > > group > > > > > > > >opines that gems should be used to "pacify" harmful > > > planets; > > > > > > > >another group believes that gems should be used to > > > > > > > >"strengthen" weak planetary influences. While yet > > > another > > > > > >belief > > > > > > > >is in "strengthening" beneficial or auspicious > planets. > > > Let me > > > > > > > >relate my own experience and tell what my final > > > conclusion is. > > > > > > > >Every Sidereal astrologer who has read my chart > points > > > out > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >Saturn in Cancer in the 12th house is quite malefic > and > > > is > > > > > > > >causing me many of the more long lasting problems > in > > > my > > > > > >life. I > > > > > > > >was advised to wear a blue sapphire to "pacify" > Saturn. > > > After a > > > > > > > >long search I found a 7 carat flawless, unburned, > > > "Brahmin" > > > > > > > >colored blue sapphire from Burma. I bought the > gem, > > > > > > > >immediately had it set into a special gold ring, and > on > > > > > >Saturday, > > > > > > > >two hours and forty minutes before sunset, I > installed > > > the ring > > > > > > > >after reciting the appropriate mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Almost as soon as I started wearing this most > > > auspicious > > > > > >blue > > > > > > > >sapphire I began having ill fortune. I started getting > > > frequent > > > > > > > >headaches and my business started slowing down > > > along > > > > > >with > > > > > > > >my energy level. Almost everything I did was beset > with > > > > > > > >obstacles. Finally, after using the stone for almost 1 > > > year, I > > > > > >took it > > > > > > > >off in frustration. Later I had the opportunity to show > my > > > birth > > > > > >chart > > > > > > > >to Pandit Vidyadhar Shukla (the Chief Brahmin > Priest of > > > > > > > >Thailand) who confirmed that Saturn was indeed a > "bad > > > > > > > >influence" for me. He further suggested that as the > blue > > > > > >sapphire > > > > > > > >had made matters worse this was a good case > against > > > the > > > > > > > >theory that gems "pacify" harmful planets. He > suggested > > > that I > > > > > > > >should wear a ruby to "strengthen" the Sun in order > to > > > > > >counteract > > > > > > > >Saturn's harmful influence. 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Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Thank you, Anna. No I did not receive a separate message, but it is fine to leave it on your note of clarification. It's true that I would 'like' a break, and I hope that Jupiter MD will allow me-just that-as you said it, to be more in the flow of joy, after the trails of "purification by suffering." Rahu, I think, does magnify the fear aspect, as it did for me, but I think precisely this was the karmic point of my experience with Rahu dasa: to help me to transcend it. That is the "fruit of suffering," if we make an attempt to "negate it" as an unreal "name and form," then however miserable we may feel or be, the consciousness that "we are not that" and that "it" is all a "dream," an unreal form, a short-circuit of the Divine form or formless, who looks like the demon Rahu but is really the Absolute Self, then we can transcend the aspect that appears to be alienated, alone, and suffering, and ultimately accept the gift of guru, whether we are in Jupiter MD, or not! That has been my trial and test. I acknowledge that there was "fear and trembling" through much of it, but I too am still standing, and hope to move more deeply now into guru's gift of faith and trust, which with Sani as a close companion, has been the real test all along. Ultimately, joy has to be transcended as well to achieve union with the Divine-I'd just like to experience transcending joy for awhile. I'll keep you posted. Good night! Janna Satyam Shivam Sundaram http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ gjlist, "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote: > Dear Janna, > > Have you received my message I sent to you re your JU MD? If you didn't I > can resend-it was 'meant' to comfort you, not makes you unduly fearful!!! > I know that internet and in particular make jokes these days! > No, no more suffering- Ju nature and its 'baghya' > nature for Cn lagna will certainly will certainly be much better experience > than Ra MD > To have Ju as AK is very good too. > When it happens that AK is Lagnesh as well, Sanjay says one will become > either a saint or criminal /my free interpretation!/ My experience confirms > this symbolic, it's been very 'special' time for me- and I am still around > and pretty much alive-Ju is not your Lagnesh, to start with... don't take > all astro. > keywords literally- If it happens that you do that /to yourself/ honestly, > it would be better for you to follow what you wrote about spirituality and > faith- have trust in God /and yourself/, do 'unto others....' and enjoy life > flow...Ju will bring that for you, I hope. Don't let anything rob you of > your initiative and joy- I don't think astrology is meant to do that- if it > does, to you, change the focus- that's my opinion- that astrology should > help you be more at peace with yourself, enjoy more, fear less, > in God's hands we all are 'safe'. > > besides, brave man dies once, > a coward million times- > > Wish you luck and joy, > > dear Janna, > > Anna > - > "Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn> > <gjlist> > Saturday, September 13, 2003 6:34 PM > Re: Sv: [GJ] Chakras/Planetary Gemology > > > > > > Dear Anna: I am worried anew about your explanation: > > > > /AK is 'good' for purification through suffering, so, strengthening > > > AK with Pearl would increase pain and help one renounce the > > material world- > > > which has never been my intention- so, better to > > > avoid if small life happiness is what you need/ > > > > If Jupiter is AK (NT H-3, Cancer lagna) and I am entering Jupiter > > MD, does this mean more suffering? Is so, please explain the > > nature. I have just been through 18 years of suffering (and it > > wasn't my intention either although I finally accepted it with Rahu > > Dasa, Rahu/lunar nodal return and sadesati the last 9 years: > > Molatov cocktail in threes!) It has all been about "purification > > through suffering." Doesn't JD change that??? > > > > Janna > > Satyam Shivam Sundaram > > http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ > > > > > > gjlist, "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Janna, > > > > > > Very good explanation:...should be incorporated to enhance > > spiritual > > > practice, not > > > > substitute for it, > > > > > > For YS- Ju is Lord of sixth H /not only 9th/ for Cn Lagna, and > > even though I > > > intimately agree that 9th H is much stronger, > > > I do not see the reason for wearing the gem /Our Das, Roik, > > with his > > > impressive Ju in 9th H -Yoga with Sa as well, never > > > accepted to try YS- I would try coral, though, dear Roik, if I were > > you!!/ > > > Ju will work well with prayers and faith, anyway, if not better! I > > do see > > > good things related to 6th H /my 6th at least/ that can > > > be well incorporated with 9th, but no need for YS. > > > > > > Before I learned from Sanjay's teachings that Moon is my AK, I > > was told to > > > wear pearls by many good astrologers, > > > /and I did- white, pink, yellow../- > > > I tried and gave up quickly.. > > > I am in fact grateful that Moon MD hasn't been worse /pradaba > > karma, fifth > > > H; > > > AK and lagnesh, Molotov Cocktail!!. > > > /AK is 'good' for purification through suffering, so, > > strengthening > > > AK with Pearl would increase pain and help one renounce the > > material world- > > > which has never been my intention- so, better to > > > avoid if small life happiness is what you need/ > > > > > > No harm in trying, though. > > > > > > As everything else, 'it depends...' on so many factors. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn> > > > <gjlist> > > > Saturday, September 13, 2003 4:34 PM > > > Re: Sv: [GJ] Chakras/Planetary Gemology > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna and Amar: > > > > > > > > I humbly thank you both for your advice, and I will take it > > without > > > > asking the reason, as it is generously offered. Actually, I do > > not > > > > have the means to purchase either a blue or a yellow > > sapphire: it > > > > is through mantra and meditation, reflection and > > contemplation, > > > > discrimination and detachment that I propitiate the planets > > and > > > > thus try to keep my auric body in balance. (Perhaps I should > > > > clarify that it is my abyasa, or self-effort, to keep these ideals > > as a > > > > daily conscious practice in my life in the hope that I may one > > day > > > > integrate them more fully in my practical life). > > > > > > > > Yes. I have an appreciation for gemology, as I do astrology > > and > > > > many of the sacred, occult sciences, but I also believe from > > my > > > > personal experience that these are "points of departure" and > > > > should be incorporated to enhance spiritual practice, not > > > > substitute for it, so that one day these material "names and > > > > forms" may be transcended. In the meantime, they are > > among > > > > those who serve as "guides" and gurus to true illumination. > > > > > > > > Satyam Shivam Sundaram > > > > > > > > Janna > > > > > > > > http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist, "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Janna and Amar, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you- no sapphire neither Blue nor yellow- let Ju > > MD > > > > do it it's > > > > > own way! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anna > > > > > - > > > > > "fas fas" <foreignersassistance@h...> > > > > > <gjlist> > > > > > Saturday, September 13, 2003 3:33 PM > > > > > Re: Sv: [GJ] Chakras/Planetary Gemology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Janna, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification. You are truly engaged in > > > > spiritual > > > > > > activities. Materially, you may experience difficulty. > > However, > > > > you are > > > > > > able and well versed to transend in to spiritual activities. > > You > > > > are > > > > > like > > > > > > a lotus flower never touched by water, thus, never let > > material > > > > nature > > > > > > effects your spiritual growth. That is why lord saturn is > > > > transitting in > > > > > > your natal 12h of detechment as well as guru in the 2nd. > > > > house of your > > > > > natal > > > > > > chart indicating service to the guru and helping to the > > needy > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > My little suggestion to you is that please do not wear any > > > > yellow or blue > > > > > > saphire at all. You must propitiate the guru and shani > > > > (including Ra/Ke.) > > > > > > which ever way you are able to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > May Guru enlighten your mind and remove all the > > obstacles > > > > on your way. > > > > > > Hari Bol. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.............................Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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