Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 Dear Ms / Mrs Anna, Thanks for the interest. I am forwarding the entire post without any change but 2 spelling error corrections :-) Only one comment is added that is noted there. Regards Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Tanvir jyotish-list Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:19 AM [jyotish-list] Transits, Dashas etc. With due respect to the honoured astrologers here, I would like to put forward my polite opinion/vote on the ongoing discussion about Transit and Dashas. Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways to interprete a chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from other astrlogy systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts, the Dasha is one of those pillers that makes Vedic Astrology glorious and respectable. Transits can be supported by some scientific appraoch to affect our mind and body etc., but the science today did not get the maturity yet to explain the base of the dasha system. The whole "Table" of Vimsottari dasha can not be explained by any scientific approach by any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how accurately it works. When we see the whole "Table" of Vimsottari Dasha then we can understand by our simple common sense that Vedic Astrology is something which can not be derived by any human research or anything - there must be some divine source from the creator himself we got it from. Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology respectable and proves it's divinity and shows it's spiritual values. Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more complicated... where the whole bunch of scientist would pass their lives in researching but could develop no scientific analysis to support them, surely. Now about transits. Most of the people swear on the importance of Transits for the sake of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people I see, use tarnsits with the second level accuracy of Vimsottari Dasha, that is, the Anter Dashas / bhuktis (ADs.) Like An AD runs for 2 years and in the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can take place, with the help of transits. But it would not be wise to stop in the second level on Dasha and to depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level of Dashas can be used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th levels are little difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars - PDs) can be used to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas) and that would give very good result. Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case, the transit can be used to get into more accuracy again to try to figure out when something positive / negative can happen. But it would not be really wise (In my view) to go only upto ADs and then consider transits for more accuracy, like many do. When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major / notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with the help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about a positive/negative event in an AD. Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion would be a simple yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against the AD, but can only modify it to some extent. How much? It will depend on the other factors like PDs and the length of the time periods involved. Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods (AD, PD) under Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite goes about a Venus MD. AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that much, but only to some extent. The most important thing an AD would be coloured up by, is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD happens in the supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the 'Timing' here.) PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short in general, can be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD can be modified that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only upto certain, (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever deny it. Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how much? As I said, in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months. And for that, Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather we can look into PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like a PD runs for 4 months, then we can look into these 4 months with transit to see when the 'marriage' can occur, for a positive timing of the transit. But if the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not deny it totally / stop it from happening. It can only lessen the good to some extent. But not against of AD, PD. Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit, on the other hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by transit than the long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more. Well if there is a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then it is otherwise, but that is only expection. Even in that exception, the transit can not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus Dasha always dominates. If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas, the 'How is your day' colums of the newspapers would be true than anything, and then, all the people would divide into only 12 parts and only 12 kind of things would happen to the all the population. But even with same lagna / moon sign, people experience totally different kind of experience through the day, and that can be explained by the different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens a lot types of things in people's lives and not only 12 types of things crudely. Example -------- AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD and TR can not cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related to 4th house, a man can not own a house even he is running a good AD. He might live in a house that is "like his own house" with comfort. Similarly if a very good MD, a bad AD can not make a man lose all his properties. But bad MD + bad AD can make him stay on footpath with no home to stay. On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can only give minor troubles related to home, like the water supply is not working well, or electricity failure continuously, or the A/C is not working well, etc etc. And this would intensify in bad transits but a bad transit can not again cross the boundary / limit of AD. When we see the sages like Parasara and Jamini, telling about the timings, remedies, effects of planets etc., we always see them talking about different Dashas and not about transits. Parasara seems to stress on Vimsottari here, while Jaimini talks about Rashi dashas. Now, being created by the God, trying to fight against the God is silly. Same way, fighting with the sages denying their basic rules would not be good, since they introduced us the Jyotish, not the ordinary people who disagreeing to them did. Seeing the structure of Vedic Astrology, it is clear that there is a divine source behind it. It can not be developed by any research / manly effort. That is why denying their principles is not wise. If ordinary people were talended enough to deny their principles, they could make something different astrology of their own which would be better than the pure Vedic Astrology. But no, they could not. Science is getting developed day by day, and with the ratio, people's spiritual vision is getting blurred more and more, and they are blaming astrology to be superstition more day by day and remaining confused in the same circle. Now my another beginner-like view on a different matter. Will a moola trikona-ed 8th lord be always bad? No. There are views that a moola trikona 8th / 6th / 12th lord will always hamper a house all significations in all the ways, and I find it not to be right, and these kind of theories are there to confuse us beginners a lot and waste a lot of time of us to understand the basics. 8th lord have many good things like spiritual understanding, and materially, gain without labour. It will depend on the position of the 8th lord / planets in 8th house what might be happen. But 8th lord is not malefic about everything. An 8th lord exalted in 5th can give lottery winning. 8th lord=gain without labour, 5th house=lotteries. On the other hand an 8th lord in 12th house would be supportive to have an enjoyable life. 8th lord in 10th on the other hand, can make a person make much effort with less success. It will depend on the nature of the planets and houses concerned and also the strength etc. [Added 19 oct 2003 on revision - 8th lord in 10th, if afflicted, might give blame, insult, and rumours in profession, work place and can give lack of honour and humiliation in work place and career. This is because 10th house is workplace and 8th lord is about humiliation and insult etc, among it's other significations. For the bad result 8th lord will have to be ill placed.] Thus an 8th lord transit can show the timing of a huge unexpected gain if the natal chart and levels of Dashas promiss so. An 8th lord corssing over the 1st house can indicate good spiritual growth than simple accidents, if Ju and Ketu are related. Of course, the natal chart+Dashas have to promiss, too. Otherwise nothing will happen. I hope I do not disrespect anyone by my post. That is not my intention either. Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 Dear Tanvir, In a mess created around various Jyotish schools of thoughts nowadays, multiplying pressure on plain understanding, making simple things complicated, the common-sense voice in your post, clearly expressed observations on Dasas & Transits, as well as on a dreaded 8th H., are really valuable. Thank you very much for that. These days I've seen another excellent /Zoran's/ post on many times asked question on dual lordship /'good'+'bad' Hs/-clear, well thought, explained without mystifications, and it seems to me that new fresh air is coming to us all- sure, I'd love to contribute something to this, this is my small 'thank Lord' message. Thanks again, dear Tanvir, Anna - "Tanvir" <tanvir <gjlist> Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:38 PM [GJ] Fw: Transits, Dashas etc. > Dear Ms / Mrs Anna, > > Thanks for the interest. I am forwarding the entire post without any change but 2 spelling error corrections :-) Only one comment is added that is noted there. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > Mail tanvir > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > Jyotish discussion > > > - > Tanvir > jyotish-list > Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:19 AM > [jyotish-list] Transits, Dashas etc. > > > With due respect to the honoured astrologers here, I would like to put forward my polite opinion/vote on the ongoing discussion about Transit and Dashas. > > Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways to interprete a chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from other astrlogy systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts, the Dasha is one of those pillers that makes Vedic Astrology glorious and respectable. Transits can be supported by some scientific appraoch to affect our mind and body etc., but the science today did not get the maturity yet to explain the base of the dasha system. The whole "Table" of Vimsottari dasha can not be explained by any scientific approach by any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how accurately it works. > > When we see the whole "Table" of Vimsottari Dasha then we can understand by our simple common sense that Vedic Astrology is something which can not be derived by any human research or anything - there must be some divine source from the creator himself we got it from. > > Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology respectable and proves it's divinity and shows it's spiritual values. > > Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more complicated... where the whole bunch of scientist would pass their lives in researching but could develop no scientific analysis to support them, surely. > > Now about transits. > > Most of the people swear on the importance of Transits for the sake of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people I see, use tarnsits with the second level accuracy of Vimsottari Dasha, that is, the Anter Dashas / bhuktis (ADs.) Like An AD runs for 2 years and in the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can take place, with the help of transits. > > But it would not be wise to stop in the second level on Dasha and to depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level of Dashas can be used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th levels are little difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars - PDs) can be used to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas) and that would give very good result. > > Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case, the transit can be used to get into more accuracy again to try to figure out when something positive / negative can happen. But it would not be really wise (In my view) to go only upto ADs and then consider transits for more accuracy, like many do. > > When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major / notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with the help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about a positive/negative event in an AD. > > Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion would be a simple yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against the AD, but can only modify it to some extent. How much? It will depend on the other factors like PDs and the length of the time periods involved. Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods (AD, PD) under Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite goes about a Venus MD. > > AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that much, but only to some extent. The most important thing an AD would be coloured up by, is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD happens in the supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the 'Timing' here.) PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short in general, can be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD can be modified that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only upto certain, (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever deny it. > > Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how much? As I said, in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months. And for that, Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather we can look into PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like a PD runs for 4 months, then we can look into these 4 months with transit to see when the 'marriage' can occur, for a positive timing of the transit. But if the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not deny it totally / stop it from happening. It can only lessen the good to some extent. But not against of AD, PD. > > Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit, on the other hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by transit than the long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more. Well if there is a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then it is otherwise, but that is only expection. Even in that exception, the transit can not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus Dasha always dominates. > > If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas, the 'How is your day' colums of the newspapers would be true than anything, and then, all the people would divide into only 12 parts and only 12 kind of things would happen to the all the population. But even with same lagna / moon sign, people experience totally different kind of experience through the day, and that can be explained by the different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens a lot types of things in people's lives and not only 12 types of things crudely. > > Example > -------- > > AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD and TR can not cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related to 4th house, a man can not own a house even he is running a good AD. He might live in a house that is "like his own house" with comfort. Similarly if a very good MD, a bad AD can not make a man lose all his properties. But bad MD + bad AD can make him stay on footpath with no home to stay. > > On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can only give minor troubles related to home, like the water supply is not working well, or electricity failure continuously, or the A/C is not working well, etc etc. And this would intensify in bad transits but a bad transit can not again cross the boundary / limit of AD. > > When we see the sages like Parasara and Jamini, telling about the timings, remedies, effects of planets etc., we always see them talking about different Dashas and not about transits. Parasara seems to stress on Vimsottari here, while Jaimini talks about Rashi dashas. Now, being created by the God, trying to fight against the God is silly. Same way, fighting with the sages denying their basic rules would not be good, since they introduced us the Jyotish, not the ordinary people who disagreeing to them did. Seeing the structure of Vedic Astrology, it is clear that there is a divine source behind it. It can not be developed by any research / manly effort. That is why denying their principles is not wise. > > If ordinary people were talended enough to deny their principles, they could make something different astrology of their own which would be better than the pure Vedic Astrology. But no, they could not. Science is getting developed day by day, and with the ratio, people's spiritual vision is getting blurred more and more, and they are blaming astrology to be superstition more day by day and remaining confused in the same circle. > > Now my another beginner-like view on a different matter. Will a moola trikona-ed 8th lord be always bad? No. There are views that a moola trikona 8th / 6th / 12th lord will always hamper a house all significations in all the ways, and I find it not to be right, and these kind of theories are there to confuse us beginners a lot and waste a lot of time of us to understand the basics. 8th lord have many good things like spiritual understanding, and materially, gain without labour. It will depend on the position of the 8th lord / planets in 8th house what might be happen. But 8th lord is not malefic about everything. An 8th lord exalted in 5th can give lottery winning. 8th lord=gain without labour, 5th house=lotteries. On the other hand an 8th lord in 12th house would be supportive to have an enjoyable life. 8th lord in 10th on the other hand, can make a person make much effort with less success. It will depend on the nature of the planets and houses concerned and also the streng > th etc. > > [Added 19 oct 2003 on revision - 8th lord in 10th, if afflicted, might give blame, insult, and rumours in profession, work place and can give lack of honour and humiliation in work place and career. This is because 10th house is workplace and 8th lord is about humiliation and insult etc, among it's other significations. For the bad result 8th lord will have to be ill placed.] > > Thus an 8th lord transit can show the timing of a huge unexpected gain if the natal chart and levels of Dashas promiss so. An 8th lord corssing over the 1st house can indicate good spiritual growth than simple accidents, if Ju and Ketu are related. Of course, the natal chart+Dashas have to promiss, too. Otherwise nothing will happen. > > I hope I do not disrespect anyone by my post. That is not my intention either. > > Regards, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > Mail tanvir > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > Jyotish discussion > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Hi Tanvir, I perfectly agree with your views on the importance of Dashas over Transits - In a nutshell transits should be used but within the Dasha. Dashas have the upper hand and transits can only clinch the prediction. But problems arise in the area of the debatable Ayanamsha. Which Ayanamsha is the best and most superior? For example when it comes to interpretation of the AD & PD it can change depending on the Ayanamsha used. Lahiri and Raman's Ayanamsha differ widely and invariably casue a change in AD & PD starting and ending periods. So which one to rely on? I personally prefer to stick to Lahiri...... Just my thoughts.... Regards, Vinay Tanvir <tanvir wrote: Dear Ms / Mrs Anna, Thanks for the interest. I am forwarding the entire post without any change but 2 spelling error corrections :-) Only one comment is added that is noted there. Regards Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Tanvir jyotish-list Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:19 AM [jyotish-list] Transits, Dashas etc. With due respect to the honoured astrologers here, I would like to put forward my polite opinion/vote on the ongoing discussion about Transit and Dashas. Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways to interprete a chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from other astrlogy systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts, the Dasha is one of those pillers that makes Vedic Astrology glorious and respectable. Transits can be supported by some scientific appraoch to affect our mind and body etc., but the science today did not get the maturity yet to explain the base of the dasha system. The whole "Table" of Vimsottari dasha can not be explained by any scientific approach by any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how accurately it works. When we see the whole "Table" of Vimsottari Dasha then we can understand by our simple common sense that Vedic Astrology is something which can not be derived by any human research or anything - there must be some divine source from the creator himself we got it from. Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology respectable and proves it's divinity and shows it's spiritual values. Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more complicated... where the whole bunch of scientist would pass their lives in researching but could develop no scientific analysis to support them, surely. Now about transits. Most of the people swear on the importance of Transits for the sake of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people I see, use tarnsits with the second level accuracy of Vimsottari Dasha, that is, the Anter Dashas / bhuktis (ADs.) Like An AD runs for 2 years and in the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can take place, with the help of transits. But it would not be wise to stop in the second level on Dasha and to depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level of Dashas can be used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th levels are little difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars - PDs) can be used to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas) and that would give very good result. Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case, the transit can be used to get into more accuracy again to try to figure out when something positive / negative can happen. But it would not be really wise (In my view) to go only upto ADs and then consider transits for more accuracy, like many do. When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major / notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with the help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about a positive/negative event in an AD. Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion would be a simple yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against the AD, but can only modify it to some extent. How much? It will depend on the other factors like PDs and the length of the time periods involved. Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods (AD, PD) under Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite goes about a Venus MD. AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that much, but only to some extent. The most important thing an AD would be coloured up by, is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD happens in the supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the 'Timing' here.) PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short in general, can be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD can be modified that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only upto certain, (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever deny it. Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how much? As I said, in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months. And for that, Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather we can look into PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like a PD runs for 4 months, then we can look into these 4 months with transit to see when the 'marriage' can occur, for a positive timing of the transit. But if the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not deny it totally / stop it from happening. It can only lessen the good to some extent. But not against of AD, PD. Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit, on the other hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by transit than the long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more. Well if there is a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then it is otherwise, but that is only expection. Even in that exception, the transit can not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus Dasha always dominates. If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas, the 'How is your day' colums of the newspapers would be true than anything, and then, all the people would divide into only 12 parts and only 12 kind of things would happen to the all the population. But even with same lagna / moon sign, people experience totally different kind of experience through the day, and that can be explained by the different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens a lot types of things in people's lives and not only 12 types of things crudely. Example -------- AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD and TR can not cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related to 4th house, a man can not own a house even he is running a good AD. He might live in a house that is "like his own house" with comfort. Similarly if a very good MD, a bad AD can not make a man lose all his properties. But bad MD + bad AD can make him stay on footpath with no home to stay. On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can only give minor troubles related to home, like the water supply is not working well, or electricity failure continuously, or the A/C is not working well, etc etc. And this would intensify in bad transits but a bad transit can not again cross the boundary / limit of AD. When we see the sages like Parasara and Jamini, telling about the timings, remedies, effects of planets etc., we always see them talking about different Dashas and not about transits. Parasara seems to stress on Vimsottari here, while Jaimini talks about Rashi dashas. Now, being created by the God, trying to fight against the God is silly. Same way, fighting with the sages denying their basic rules would not be good, since they introduced us the Jyotish, not the ordinary people who disagreeing to them did. Seeing the structure of Vedic Astrology, it is clear that there is a divine source behind it. It can not be developed by any research / manly effort. That is why denying their principles is not wise. If ordinary people were talended enough to deny their principles, they could make something different astrology of their own which would be better than the pure Vedic Astrology. But no, they could not. Science is getting developed day by day, and with the ratio, people's spiritual vision is getting blurred more and more, and they are blaming astrology to be superstition more day by day and remaining confused in the same circle. Now my another beginner-like view on a different matter. Will a moola trikona-ed 8th lord be always bad? No. There are views that a moola trikona 8th / 6th / 12th lord will always hamper a house all significations in all the ways, and I find it not to be right, and these kind of theories are there to confuse us beginners a lot and waste a lot of time of us to understand the basics. 8th lord have many good things like spiritual understanding, and materially, gain without labour. It will depend on the position of the 8th lord / planets in 8th house what might be happen. But 8th lord is not malefic about everything. An 8th lord exalted in 5th can give lottery winning. 8th lord=gain without labour, 5th house=lotteries. On the other hand an 8th lord in 12th house would be supportive to have an enjoyable life. 8th lord in 10th on the other hand, can make a person make much effort with less success. It will depend on the nature of the planets and houses concerned and also the strength etc. [Added 19 oct 2003 on revision - 8th lord in 10th, if afflicted, might give blame, insult, and rumours in profession, work place and can give lack of honour and humiliation in work place and career. This is because 10th house is workplace and 8th lord is about humiliation and insult etc, among it's other significations. For the bad result 8th lord will have to be ill placed.] Thus an 8th lord transit can show the timing of a huge unexpected gain if the natal chart and levels of Dashas promiss so. An 8th lord corssing over the 1st house can indicate good spiritual growth than simple accidents, if Ju and Ketu are related. Of course, the natal chart+Dashas have to promiss, too. Otherwise nothing will happen. I hope I do not disrespect anyone by my post. That is not my intention either. Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 based on my very close observation i find lahiri to be very accurate and reliable. all my PDs match exactly when i use lahiri and change my birth time 3 mins away which is very logical. in general, if u are sensitive enough you will see / observe / notice a major/minor change in the flow of events + ur feelings very soon after a PD changes. i always can feel this and the changes of events are feelable, too. all my PDs and ADs seem to start about 15/20 days before than what 12.30 AM birth time suggests, so i change it to 12.33 AM. lahiri is very much reliable and astronomical truth, u can rely on it. best wishes, tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - VInay K gjlist Monday, October 20, 2003 4:50 PM [GJ] Transits, Dashas etc. Hi Tanvir, I perfectly agree with your views on the importance of Dashas over Transits - In a nutshell transits should be used but within the Dasha. Dashas have the upper hand and transits can only clinch the prediction. But problems arise in the area of the debatable Ayanamsha. Which Ayanamsha is the best and most superior? For example when it comes to interpretation of the AD & PD it can change depending on the Ayanamsha used. Lahiri and Raman's Ayanamsha differ widely and invariably casue a change in AD & PD starting and ending periods. So which one to rely on? I personally prefer to stick to Lahiri...... Just my thoughts.... Regards, Vinay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 namaste, Tanvir. May ganesh bless and protect you in all things. I echo Anna's sentiments and thank you for the post clarifying many of my questions about the 3rd and 4th levels of dasha system. namaste, David David LaGrone P. O. Box 2339 Glen Rose, TX 76043 dvdlagr gjlist, "Tanvir" <tanvir@s...> wrote: > Dear Ms / Mrs Anna, > > Thanks for the interest. I am forwarding the entire post without any change but 2 spelling error corrections :-) Only one comment is added that is noted there. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > Mail tanvir@s... > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > Jyotish discussion > > > - > Tanvir > jyotish-list@p... > Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:19 AM > [jyotish-list] Transits, Dashas etc. > > > With due respect to the honoured astrologers here, I would like to put forward my polite opinion/vote on the ongoing discussion about Transit and Dashas. > > Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways to interprete a chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from other astrlogy systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts, the Dasha is one of those pillers that makes Vedic Astrology glorious and respectable. Transits can be supported by some scientific appraoch to affect our mind and body etc., but the science today did not get the maturity yet to explain the base of the dasha system. The whole "Table" of Vimsottari dasha can not be explained by any scientific approach by any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how accurately it works. > > When we see the whole "Table" of Vimsottari Dasha then we can understand by our simple common sense that Vedic Astrology is something which can not be derived by any human research or anything - there must be some divine source from the creator himself we got it from. > > Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology respectable and proves it's divinity and shows it's spiritual values. > > Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more complicated... where the whole bunch of scientist would pass their lives in researching but could develop no scientific analysis to support them, surely. > > Now about transits. > > Most of the people swear on the importance of Transits for the sake of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people I see, use tarnsits with the second level accuracy of Vimsottari Dasha, that is, the Anter Dashas / bhuktis (ADs.) Like An AD runs for 2 years and in the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can take place, with the help of transits. > > But it would not be wise to stop in the second level on Dasha and to depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level of Dashas can be used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th levels are little difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars - PDs) can be used to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas) and that would give very good result. > > Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case, the transit can be used to get into more accuracy again to try to figure out when something positive / negative can happen. But it would not be really wise (In my view) to go only upto ADs and then consider transits for more accuracy, like many do. > > When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major / notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with the help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about a positive/negative event in an AD. > > Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion would be a simple yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against the AD, but can only modify it to some extent. How much? It will depend on the other factors like PDs and the length of the time periods involved. Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods (AD, PD) under Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite goes about a Venus MD. > > AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that much, but only to some extent. The most important thing an AD would be coloured up by, is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD happens in the supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the 'Timing' here.) PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short in general, can be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD can be modified that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only upto certain, (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever deny it. > > Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how much? As I said, in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months. And for that, Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather we can look into PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like a PD runs for 4 months, then we can look into these 4 months with transit to see when the 'marriage' can occur, for a positive timing of the transit. But if the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not deny it totally / stop it from happening. It can only lessen the good to some extent. But not against of AD, PD. > > Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit, on the other hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by transit than the long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more. Well if there is a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then it is otherwise, but that is only expection. Even in that exception, the transit can not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus Dasha always dominates. > > If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas, the 'How is your day' colums of the newspapers would be true than anything, and then, all the people would divide into only 12 parts and only 12 kind of things would happen to the all the population. But even with same lagna / moon sign, people experience totally different kind of experience through the day, and that can be explained by the different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens a lot types of things in people's lives and not only 12 types of things crudely. > > Example > -------- > > AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD and TR can not cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related to 4th house, a man can not own a house even he is running a good AD. He might live in a house that is "like his own house" with comfort. Similarly if a very good MD, a bad AD can not make a man lose all his properties. But bad MD + bad AD can make him stay on footpath with no home to stay. > > On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can only give minor troubles related to home, like the water supply is not working well, or electricity failure continuously, or the A/C is not working well, etc etc. And this would intensify in bad transits but a bad transit can not again cross the boundary / limit of AD. > > When we see the sages like Parasara and Jamini, telling about the timings, remedies, effects of planets etc., we always see them talking about different Dashas and not about transits. Parasara seems to stress on Vimsottari here, while Jaimini talks about Rashi dashas. Now, being created by the God, trying to fight against the God is silly. Same way, fighting with the sages denying their basic rules would not be good, since they introduced us the Jyotish, not the ordinary people who disagreeing to them did. Seeing the structure of Vedic Astrology, it is clear that there is a divine source behind it. It can not be developed by any research / manly effort. That is why denying their principles is not wise. > > If ordinary people were talended enough to deny their principles, they could make something different astrology of their own which would be better than the pure Vedic Astrology. But no, they could not. Science is getting developed day by day, and with the ratio, people's spiritual vision is getting blurred more and more, and they are blaming astrology to be superstition more day by day and remaining confused in the same circle. > > Now my another beginner-like view on a different matter. Will a moola trikona-ed 8th lord be always bad? No. There are views that a moola trikona 8th / 6th / 12th lord will always hamper a house all significations in all the ways, and I find it not to be right, and these kind of theories are there to confuse us beginners a lot and waste a lot of time of us to understand the basics. 8th lord have many good things like spiritual understanding, and materially, gain without labour. It will depend on the position of the 8th lord / planets in 8th house what might be happen. But 8th lord is not malefic about everything. An 8th lord exalted in 5th can give lottery winning. 8th lord=gain without labour, 5th house=lotteries. On the other hand an 8th lord in 12th house would be supportive to have an enjoyable life. 8th lord in 10th on the other hand, can make a person make much effort with less success. It will depend on the nature of the planets and houses concerned and also the strength etc. > > [Added 19 oct 2003 on revision - 8th lord in 10th, if afflicted, might give blame, insult, and rumours in profession, work place and can give lack of honour and humiliation in work place and career. This is because 10th house is workplace and 8th lord is about humiliation and insult etc, among it's other significations. For the bad result 8th lord will have to be ill placed.] > > Thus an 8th lord transit can show the timing of a huge unexpected gain if the natal chart and levels of Dashas promiss so. An 8th lord corssing over the 1st house can indicate good spiritual growth than simple accidents, if Ju and Ketu are related. Of course, the natal chart+Dashas have to promiss, too. Otherwise nothing will happen. > > I hope I do not disrespect anyone by my post. That is not my intention either. > > Regards, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > Mail tanvir@s... > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > Jyotish discussion > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Tanvir, Thanks for your very informative article on dashas and transits. Although I am late in thanking you as your article was written a long time back. As per your observations, dasha is more important than transit with transit having effect within dasha only. I have been running my PD of saturn and 'feeling' it. My saturn is in 9th house with jupiter. I am feeling more towards religion and specially towards astrology. This saturn PD is going to last in Jan 2004. My MD & AD is of Venus. Can you please take time to give me a hint as to what the saturn retro can do in my current dashas? Looking forward to your help. Sandeep - "Tanvir" <tanvir <gjlist> Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:59 PM Re: [GJ] Transits, Dashas etc. > based on my very close observation i find lahiri to be very accurate and reliable. all my PDs match exactly when i use lahiri and change my birth time 3 mins away which is very logical. > > in general, if u are sensitive enough you will see / observe / notice a major/minor change in the flow of events + ur feelings very soon after a PD changes. i always can feel this and the changes of events are feelable, too. all my PDs and ADs seem to start about 15/20 days before than what 12.30 AM birth time suggests, so i change it to 12.33 AM. lahiri is very much reliable and astronomical truth, u can rely on it. > > best wishes, > tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > Mail tanvir > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > Jyotish discussion > > - > VInay K > gjlist > Monday, October 20, 2003 4:50 PM > [GJ] Transits, Dashas etc. > > > Hi Tanvir, > I perfectly agree with your views on the importance of Dashas over Transits - In a nutshell transits should be used but within the Dasha. Dashas have the upper hand and transits can only clinch the prediction. But problems arise in the area of the debatable Ayanamsha. Which Ayanamsha is the best and most superior? For example when it comes to interpretation of the AD & PD it can change depending on the Ayanamsha used. Lahiri and Raman's Ayanamsha differ widely and invariably casue a change in AD & PD starting and ending periods. So which one to rely on? I personally prefer to stick to Lahiri...... > > Just my thoughts.... > Regards, > Vinay > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Dear Tanvir: I loved your very precise and very bright, discussion of Transits & Dasas. I would like to add only one thing from my experience. I notice, in direct experience, that it often seems that a person is more or less 'sensitive' to the Transits, depending upon whether the Moon in their 'Chart'.....is small or big! If big, the person is also immune to the Transits...and doesn't seem that thrown off. But, talk to people who have 'delicate' Moons in their charts, and wow, the Transits are very much more significant. So, again, I'd like to suggest....that all three major aspects of Jyotish; Dasas, Transits,....and even one's chart....be looked at to come to good conclusions.... Thanks again.... Mark Kincaid In gjlist, "David LaGrone" <dvdlagr@m...> wrote: > namaste, Tanvir. > > May ganesh bless and protect you in all things. > > I echo Anna's sentiments and thank you for the post clarifying many > of my questions about the 3rd and 4th levels of dasha system. > > namaste, David > > David LaGrone > P. O. Box 2339 > Glen Rose, TX 76043 > > dvdlagr@m... > > gjlist, "Tanvir" <tanvir@s...> wrote: > > Dear Ms / Mrs Anna, > > > > Thanks for the interest. I am forwarding the entire post without > any change but 2 spelling error corrections :-) Only one comment is > added that is noted there. > > > > Regards > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > Mail tanvir@s... > > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > Jyotish discussion > > > > > > - > > Tanvir > > jyotish-list@p... > > Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:19 AM > > [jyotish-list] Transits, Dashas etc. > > > > > > With due respect to the honoured astrologers here, I would like to > put forward my polite opinion/vote on the ongoing discussion about > Transit and Dashas. > > > > Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways to interprete > a chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from other astrlogy > systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts, the Dasha is one > of those pillers that makes Vedic Astrology glorious and > respectable. Transits can be supported by some scientific appraoch > to affect our mind and body etc., but the science today did not get > the maturity yet to explain the base of the dasha system. The > whole "Table" of Vimsottari dasha can not be explained by any > scientific approach by any scientists but it makes us amazed to see > how accurately it works. > > > > When we see the whole "Table" of Vimsottari Dasha then we can > understand by our simple common sense that Vedic Astrology is > something which can not be derived by any human research or > anything - there must be some divine source from the creator himself > we got it from. > > > > Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology respectable and proves > it's divinity and shows it's spiritual values. > > > > Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more complicated... where > the whole bunch of scientist would pass their lives in researching > but could develop no scientific analysis to support them, surely. > > > > Now about transits. > > > > Most of the people swear on the importance of Transits for the > sake of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people I see, use > tarnsits with the second level accuracy of Vimsottari Dasha, that > is, the Anter Dashas / bhuktis (ADs.) Like An AD runs for 2 years > and in the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can take > place, with the help of transits. > > > > But it would not be wise to stop in the second level on Dasha and > to depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level of Dashas can > be used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th levels are > little difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars - PDs) can > be used to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas) and that > would give very good result. > > > > Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case, the transit > can be used to get into more accuracy again to try to figure out > when something positive / negative can happen. But it would not be > really wise (In my view) to go only upto ADs and then consider > transits for more accuracy, like many do. > > > > When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major / > notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with the > help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are > found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about a > positive/negative event in an AD. > > > > Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion would be a > simple yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against the AD, but > can only modify it to some extent. How much? It will depend on the > other factors like PDs and the length of the time periods involved. > Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods (AD, PD) under > Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite goes about a > Venus MD. > > > > AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that much, but only > to some extent. The most important thing an AD would be coloured up > by, is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD happens in the > supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the 'Timing' here.) > PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short in general, can > be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD can be modified > that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only upto certain, > (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever deny it. > > > > Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how much? As I > said, in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months. And for > that, Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather we can look > into PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like a PD runs > for 4 months, then we can look into these 4 months with transit to > see when the 'marriage' can occur, for a positive timing of the > transit. But if the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not > deny it totally / stop it from happening. It can only lessen the > good to some extent. But not against of AD, PD. > > > > Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit, on the other > hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by transit than the > long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more. Well if there is > a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then it is otherwise, > but that is only expection. Even in that exception, the transit can > not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus Dasha always > dominates. > > > > If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas, the 'How is > your day' colums of the newspapers would be true than anything, and > then, all the people would divide into only 12 parts and only 12 > kind of things would happen to the all the population. But even with > same lagna / moon sign, people experience totally different kind of > experience through the day, and that can be explained by the > different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens a lot types of > things in people's lives and not only 12 types of things crudely. > > > > Example > > -------- > > > > AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD and TR can > not cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related to 4th house, > a man can not own a house even he is running a good AD. He might > live in a house that is "like his own house" with comfort. Similarly > if a very good MD, a bad AD can not make a man lose all his > properties. But bad MD + bad AD can make him stay on footpath with > no home to stay. > > > > On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can only give minor > troubles related to home, like the water supply is not working well, > or electricity failure continuously, or the A/C is not working well, > etc etc. And this would intensify in bad transits but a bad transit > can not again cross the boundary / limit of AD. > > > > When we see the sages like Parasara and Jamini, telling about the > timings, remedies, effects of planets etc., we always see them > talking about different Dashas and not about transits. Parasara > seems to stress on Vimsottari here, while Jaimini talks about Rashi > dashas. Now, being created by the God, trying to fight against the > God is silly. Same way, fighting with the sages denying their basic > rules would not be good, since they introduced us the Jyotish, not > the ordinary people who disagreeing to them did. Seeing the > structure of Vedic Astrology, it is clear that there is a divine > source behind it. It can not be developed by any research / manly > effort. That is why denying their principles is not wise. > > > > If ordinary people were talended enough to deny their principles, > they could make something different astrology of their own which > would be better than the pure Vedic Astrology. But no, they could > not. Science is getting developed day by day, and with the ratio, > people's spiritual vision is getting blurred more and more, and they > are blaming astrology to be superstition more day by day and > remaining confused in the same circle. > > > > Now my another beginner-like view on a different matter. Will a > moola trikona-ed 8th lord be always bad? No. There are views that a > moola trikona 8th / 6th / 12th lord will always hamper a house all > significations in all the ways, and I find it not to be right, and > these kind of theories are there to confuse us beginners a lot and > waste a lot of time of us to understand the basics. 8th lord have > many good things like spiritual understanding, and materially, gain > without labour. It will depend on the position of the 8th lord / > planets in 8th house what might be happen. But 8th lord is not > malefic about everything. An 8th lord exalted in 5th can give > lottery winning. 8th lord=gain without labour, 5th house=lotteries. > On the other hand an 8th lord in 12th house would be supportive to > have an enjoyable life. 8th lord in 10th on the other hand, can make > a person make much effort with less success. It will depend on the > nature of the planets and houses concerned and also the strength etc. > > > > [Added 19 oct 2003 on revision - 8th lord in 10th, if afflicted, > might give blame, insult, and rumours in profession, work place and > can give lack of honour and humiliation in work place and career. > This is because 10th house is workplace and 8th lord is about > humiliation and insult etc, among it's other significations. For the > bad result 8th lord will have to be ill placed.] > > > > Thus an 8th lord transit can show the timing of a huge unexpected > gain if the natal chart and levels of Dashas promiss so. An 8th lord > corssing over the 1st house can indicate good spiritual growth than > simple accidents, if Ju and Ketu are related. Of course, the natal > chart+Dashas have to promiss, too. Otherwise nothing will happen. > > > > I hope I do not disrespect anyone by my post. That is not my > intention either. > > > > Regards, > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > Mail tanvir@s... > > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > Jyotish discussion > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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