Void of Course Moon-Jyotish

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Dear Mary:

 

Well perhaps there is no void-of-course Moon in Jyotish and the reason no

one else has joined the discussion!

 

But I followed your explanation UNTIL you got to the part about sidereal

Gemini Moon "still busy making aspects in S. Gemini." My sidereal ephemeris

shows that sidereal Gemini Moon is 27* Gemini today, December 11, and S

Cancer Moon is 9* Cancer December 12 (Friday) suggesting that S Cancer

Moon begins before midnight EST. To travel those 3* would take 6 hours with

the 1*=2 hours rule. So S. Cancer Moon at 0* would be Thursday, December

11 to account for the 9* S Cancer Moon showing December 12 NOT 6:40

AM December 12, according to T calculations. (It feels like a Cancer Moon

now as I'm writing about 5:30 PM EST. The S Gemini Moon conjunct Saturn

was really rough yesterday).

 

GMT time calculations may be another factor though. If S Cancer Moon is at

9* December 12 GMT, this would also make S Cancer Moon much earlier

EST. It may be "time" to give up "time."

 

Another speculation about no one else answering is that you and I are the

only ones who can follow this illogical logic! But with 4 planets in Cancer and

a Cancer lagna, I would like to figure out this Moon puzzle, if anyone has any

other suggestions?

 

Thanks for answering, Mary. It has given me much to ponder on. I too am

limited in my understanding in Jyotish and one of the reasons I struggle to

follow the list communications.

 

Janna

 

"So although the T.Moon V/C'd

at 1:53AM EST [Dec 9] when T.Moon trined Mars, and the V/C

ended when T.Moon entered T.Leo at 6:40AM EST, the

S.Moon was still busy making aspects in S.Gemini. I

don't think the S.Moon would V/C until December 14

when it trines Sun at 12:39AM EST and ends when S.Moon

enters S.Cancer on December 14 somewhere around 4:40AM

EST.

 

 

 

 

gjlist, Mary Quinn <mary1quinn> wrote:

> Dear Janna,

>

> I understood that the Moon moves slightly faster in

> some signs, slower in others. However I too use the "1

> degree in 2 hours" rule to calculate the Moon's

> approximate movement. However, that would mean that it

> would take the Moon 14 hours to move 7 degrees, not

> 3.5 hours. Of course, the difference between tropical

> and sidereal is more than 23 degrees, and the Moon's

> movement is not exactly 1 degree every 2 hours, but

> still - I don't know how your friend arrived at the 9

> hour difference.

>

> Oof. Shortcut: T. = Tropical, S. = Sidereal, V/C =

> void of course.

>

> However this whole discussion brings up an important

> point. The S.Zodiac and the T.Zodiac are different.

> Therefore the Moon V/C cycles will be different

> between the two and the aspect which starts the V/C

> will be different. So we really can't compare the two

> without MAJOR confusion.

>

> The S.Moon entering Gemini on December 9 at

> approximately 5:11AM EST (by my possibly flawed guess)

> would end the previous Sidereal V/C which would have

> started with the S.Moon's last aspect (opposition

> Pluto if you count the outers, or square Jupiter if

> you don't...uh-oh, was that the sound of a can of

> worms being opened?). The T.Moon, though, doesn't V/C

> until the trine to Uranus at 5:48PM EST. T.Moon enters

> Cancer at 7:11PM EST ending the Tropical V/C.

>

> Jumping then to December 12 and the Moon-Mars question

> you had. Since the Moon-Mars aspect is dependent on

> how many degrees they are apart, the aspect occurs at

> the same time in both zodiacs. However, in TROPICAL

> the Moon-Mars aspect (being the last aspect while the

> Moon is T.Cancer and before it enters T.Leo) is the

> beginning of the Moon's V/C. Not so in Sidereal. The

> S.Moon is at only 7 S.Gemini and has plenty more

> aspects to make before it leaves S.Gemini some

> 50-something hours later. So although the T.Moon V/C'd

> at 1:53AM EST when T.Moon trined Mars, and the V/C

> ended when T.Moon entered T.Leo at 6:40AM EST, the

> S.Moon was still busy making aspects in S.Gemini. I

> don't think the S.Moon would V/C until December 14

> when it trines Sun at 12:39AM EST and ends when S.Moon

> enters S.Cancer on December 14 somewhere around 4:40AM

> EST. Of course all these calculations are in my head

> and I could be off. Sorry.

>

> However, this whole discussion begs the most important

> question. IS THERE SUCH A THING AS A VOID OF COURSE

> MOON IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY? Maybe this is just a tropical

> concept which could make it all do-do anyway. After

> all, aren't there fewer aspects in Vedic astrology for

> the Moon to make? And if you eliminate all the outer

> planets, then the S.Moon would be V/C more often than

> not, especially every time the personal planets are in

> the early degrees of any sign.

>

> Anyway, I know little to nothing Vedic-wise. So,

> again, I'm not the authority on this issue. But what

> I've told you tropically is correct. Still, I get the

> feeling the Moon V/C thing doesn't apply to Jyotish.

>

> Hopefully someone else will answer this question.

>

>

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