My view (can anyone change karma?)

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Dear all,

I have my own understanding of freewill vs. pre destiny (fate). I am

not an astrologer from any angle, I am mostly a silent reader, always

interested in others view and humbly expressing/sharing my views

only. My thoughts are not of great importance, but it may generate a

question or two for you to solve.

My intention is not to hurt anyone in anyways, and I am sorry if it

happens.

 

i have my own views of what 'predestined' means when lord Sri

Krishna/Gita mentions that. It's the irony of any language that

it

rarely conveys the full meaning/original intent and intended end

results. This irony, like all others will also be present in my

thoughts jotted down here and even if I try my best, words are not

enough.

Like many other things in Gita, people have extracted different

meanings from a same verse.

To me what it means is that the rules governing universe are

established and are non-compromisable, and the results are

deterministic based on any set of inputs (including time); in other

word it's Idempotent!

 

 

Example:

Let's take Chess for an example, given the whole set of moves for

a

game, you know the winner no matter what. If you and your opponent

follows the moves exactly of some past game and finish it, the end

result will always be the same, always.

In other words its predestined who will be the winner based on

exercise of freewill to take same exact steps, and this system is

comprised of a very close system with two actors, n actions on board.

 

Here we have considered only a game and two inputs. Lets expand our

domain and lets say we can somehow record each atom/wave of a system

w.r.t. time, if you recreate the

same scenario of all atom/waves/time in exact same order, you must

get the same results.

 

To me, there are infinite results of infinite actions anyone can take

at any point of time. A less complicated example will be if you think

as if you are enclosed in a cube and thus you are surrounded with 6

walls, and lets say behind each wall there's a different(or same)

item (predestined).

Now you have freedom to choose between 7 alternatives (exercising

freewill) and you will get what you have chosen. well, I see this

example can again create some confusion, but if we think of these

items as a result, which in turn is a function of our actions

(including time as one of the variable in function) ,the result will

always be same, if some how we can recreate the same circumstances.

In other words

Result = f (actions, actors, time)

 

Where, actions = karma (movement of energy) ex: thoughts, physical

movement etc.

In other words when lord says 'everything is predestined', what

it

means to me that for all actions of all actors in universe 'a' result

is already decided.

 

Well, let's say it's not true. , in other words

 

Result <> f (actions, actors, time)

 

If the result cannot be deduced for same set of parameters, we can

safely conclude system (universe) as Chaotic, where no one can

predict what will be the end result based on a given action. I don't

think this is true. I may have missed more parameters here, but

assuming we have all proper parameters result must be idempotent.

 

Another thing that support freewill and pre destiny as a pair is that

there is a paradigm of duality which is not pure god essence, there

cannot be an either/or of either freewill or pre destiny. Only god is

single. Like there has to be a graph paper to experience dimension,

there has to be something fixed to understand relativity, to create

this space/time system the god has to be beyond space and time both.

There's no duality for almighty, for everything else there are

two

sides of a coin.

 

 

Now, lets take to another view into perspective, where 'predestined'

means god has chosen everything... not only the ultimate result, but

parameters: actions(karma), actors and time as well, and thus we

cannot change any of our karmas.

How does it change our equation? Not an iota. It still declares that

the system is not chaotic but is idempotent because actions are

predetermined and results as well as predetermined.

Well, If that's the case, why not think creatively and keep doing

better karmas (whether it be reading someone else's

chart/jogging/helping others etc) and think of it as predestined gods

will!!! Because once you do it, whether you take system to be open-

ended or close-ended, both ways you took part in pre destiny.

 

Now 100$ question is what is behind those 6 walls based on 7 actions?

We don't know the f (), that's god's domain, that's why lord

Sri

Krishna says do the karma and leave the result to him. Why? I think

god knows this already we cannot `fully' understand f () for

various

reasons. We cannot deduce the function f ()... astrology/palmistry is

one of those tools to put some insight on that aspect, understanding

the results.

 

To me there is no such thing as free-lunch. In 'Yoga Vashistha' ,

sage Vashistha said that even gods including Sri Brahma, Sri Vishnu,

Sri Mahesh, demigods, planets everything have got there place because

of there past karmas.

I think there are neither a) impartialities nor b) exceptions in

god's world, otherwise it will be easy for me to blame god for not

making me as wealthy as bill gates. Materialistically why he is in

better position than me? Spiritualistically why I am not even an iota

of great sages?

I don't think god has predestined that. It would be partial of him to

bestow his greatness unequally. It's my freewill in my past

incarnations that destined me to be here in this stage.

 

6 is predestined to be the result of 2+4. Always. No matter when

someone uses his/her freewill to add them together. It's an

unbendable rule, and if the result becomes different, because someone

calculates it in non-linear space and time, then we just discovered

another facet of the rule itself, and not an exception.

 

 

In the end, question is do we 'underestimate' the power of god when

we assume god's system (this universe and time) is close-ended

(everything is controlled!!?)?

 

Regards

utpal