2-& Christiane....... 12/30.....re....Das...&. Questions to you all

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Dear Christiane & all:

 

 

 

And yes.... Saturn may be in the 9th house....

but his life.... shows....lots of....

 

Saturnian...qualities....

 

which would seem to reveal more than the fact that it's with

a good Jupiter....

 

suffering ....and wisdom... going together....

 

Saturn and Jupiter ....though they might be considered raja yoga...

still is not a high ranking raja yoga.....

 

because....saturn and jupiter are enemies....when together....

 

I think my thought is still correct...

 

because Saturn seems to be winning over jupiter....

 

fun!

 

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

> christiane cameron <pineappleflamingo

> gjlist

> Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:04:18 -0800 (PST)

> gjlist

> Re: 2[GJ] # Das.... 12/30.....re..... Questions to you all

>

> Dear Mark and All,

>

> I am not Das, but this being a public list, I am so

> free to answer.

>

> Sorry, but Das has Saturn Lord of 10 in the 9 th

> Sagitarius with Jupiter. A marvellous Raja Yoga, don't

> you agree. Jupiter in his own house is stronger than

> Saturn, so your theory doesn't work.

>

>>

>>

>> to me.... and it would be interesting to look at

>> your chart....

>>

>> but.... I believe that heavy emphasis on fate is a

>> Saturnian....perspective...

>> and yet... I believe the free in life....comes to

>> us... from Jupiter..

>>

>> So...we should see in your chart...that Saturn's

>> ruling over Jupiter....

>

> No its not and I feel there is a great

> misunderstanding there

>

> Jupiter is an expanding influence, Saturn a

> restricting one,

>>

>> Certainly your reference to.... being bi-polar,

>> living and working at home..

>> are definitely....Saturnian traits....

>

> I disagree. In Hindu Astrology mental illness can be

> caused by afflicted mercury, afflicted moon, afflicted

> 5th house (4th house) or all of these. In Das's chart

> you find a seriously combust mercury in the 2nd house,

> moon as lord of 4 conjunct ketu aspected by saturn and

> Rahu in the 5th.

> So there a multiple factors that come together. Its

> not a case of being Saturnian or Jovian.

 

 

Good points though.... and because I didn't know his chart...

didn't all these reasons....

 

why....and from where troubles....come....

 

good points....

 

 

but as you mention.... my point is just that his experience,

his feedback....his.... descriptions....

 

 

all alert to Saturn's negative effects....

 

Even people with great exalted Saturn's can be out of balance

and experience....some kind of exalted grief!

 

My point then....

 

is to listen to the subjective reports of the person...

 

and you can hear the offending planet or planets...

 

in Das' case..... Saturn is restricting Jupiter...

and as you said....

fully aspecting the Moon which is already being poorly aspected

by rahu & ketu....

 

My ultimate point here.... is to increase the Wisdom of Jupiter...

to strengthen....

or diminish the negative effects of saturn....

 

and these personal 'yaguas' that one can do for oneself...

 

are very real and very powerful...Jyotish remedies....

 

that will make a difference....

 

 

My particular .... insight into Jyotish...is on these Jyotish

configurations....

 

specifically....that the malefics not only contain the declarations of where

our problems are coming from...

 

 

But.... !!!

 

 

they also contain the wisdom....as to what we could start doing

differently...

 

to literally change and transform our malefics ....into strengths!

 

 

>>

>> But.... when you stir....the Jupiter pole.....

>> either to meditate.... do

>> things like Ayurved and even yoga asanas....

>

> Saturn can meditate as well as jupiter to stay in your

> terms. In fact Jupiter is more karaka for formal

> ritualistic religion, which gets confirmed by Das's

> life at ISCON. His father (Jupiter in 9)also was a

> clergy man.

>

 

And yes.... Saturn is also a significator of meditation...

and in fact the Shiva....pole....

 

so that when we meditate.... we stir the much needed silence

and deep quietness....

that will allow us to do more, the right things at the right times....

 

and ultimately....diminish our suffering....

 

the more we get in tune with silence....

 

 

the more ....we rise up out of ignorance....

 

and into the bliss of....Being!

 

 

 

>>

>> you can begin to change.... your karmas....

>

> karmas cannot be changed, only your mental attitude

> can be changed by meditation. You are saying you are

> into the "vedic Religion" then you should know that

> basic fact.>

>

 

Karmas...can be changed....

 

think of karmas.... like a boulder coming down the hill....

 

you're only mentioning....a kind of mental attitude..

where you might be able to get out of the way....!

 

But...if you know about Vedic engineerings....

 

then you may be familiar with Vedic yaguas... which are used

to literally send another...... Cosmic...force...

 

out into the universe...in time and space...

 

and literally knock off that boulder which is definitely coming!

 

I know lots of people who have much experience with this Vedic science...

 

 

>>

>>

>> I practice the TM-sidhis program too...and so I

>> believe but, from a lot of

>> wonderful personal experience.... that ... it's

>> within human beings

>> potential... to levitate.... to walk through

>> walls...

>> to do really anything....

>

> yes possible, but of what use is that going to be on

> the path

 

the Maharishi, Guru of Transcendental Meditation.... also agrees

that karmas can and should be changed....

 

they're difficult...and the ability to do this has been lost, unavailable...

for the masses for a long time....

 

but all that is changeing....

 

>>

>> One time when I was meditating... I had my awareness

>> shoot up, from my

>> body...and merge with the stars....

>> then.... it decended.... kind of like that

>> movie....powers of 10... and

>> my awareness went into my body....and explored the

>> subtle inner realities

>> there as well...

>

> these are wonderful experiences that many sadhakas

> have. Their job is to urge the sadhaka on , they are

> no end in themselves. You always have to ask, who is

> experiencing all these siddhis.

>>

 

And when You come to the end.... and have the flash...

 

of Brahman.... that I am the Self....

 

then you'll know....

>>

>>

>

>> So...I hope you can open yourself up...to the

>> possibilities.... of what

>> we've been talking about....

>

> I hope the same about you, too Mark.

>>

>> Christina Cameron

>>

>>

>> ps... maybe the reason why the list has been so

>> quiet is because.... people

>> instinctively want to grow and improve...

>> and

>> if it's all about fate... then why try? why do

>> anything?

>

> I don't think this is the reason at all. It seems a

> rather strange notion. Living your Karmas does not

> restrict one from growth. And I don't see what that

> has to do with not writing on the list.

> I can only talk about my own reasons. I am going

> through a difficult and don't always feel like

> writing. Sometimes I am weary of expressing my views,

> which often differ from other people's on the list.

> Like today. I feel that different views are not really

> appreciated.

>

>>

>> In fact, the founder of the TM program, Maharishi

>> Mahesh Yogi.... has

>> said...

>> this has been India's problem....

>>

>> For hundreds of years, now.... it's been thought to

>> be very hard to grow, to

>> meditate...to even change oneself...

>>

>> as a result....the belief in fate has ruled...

>> India....for a very long

>> time.

>>

>> Maharishi has said this situation has been the

>> reason why India has suffered

>> and remained in ignorance....

>

> I think Maharishi meant, that some people use fate as

> an excuse to remain idle instead of working on

> bettering their circumstances.

>

 

yes... and here we finally agree!

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

>

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Mark/Christiane,

 

We cannot ignore the fact that the Atmakaraka is a retrograde Saturn

for Roik (alias Das). No doubt he is known as Das to many. Das means

servant. Servant in the house of Guru.... with Guru. Goravani means

Word of Guru.....Servant to the Word of Guru. Is it a coincidence

that Guru (Jupiter) and the servant (Saturn) are in the ninth house?

 

Loving regards,

Arun

 

"Anantovai Vedah"

 

 

gjlist, Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Christiane & all:

>

>

>

> And yes.... Saturn may be in the 9th house....

> but his life.... shows....lots of....

>

> Saturnian...qualities....

>

> which would seem to reveal more than the fact that it's with

> a good Jupiter....

>

> suffering ....and wisdom... going together....

>

> Saturn and Jupiter ....though they might be considered raja yoga...

> still is not a high ranking raja yoga.....

>

> because....saturn and jupiter are enemies....when together....

>

> I think my thought is still correct...

>

> because Saturn seems to be winning over jupiter....

>

> fun!

>

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

>

> > christiane cameron <pineappleflamingo>

> > gjlist

> > Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:04:18 -0800 (PST)

> > gjlist

> > Re: 2[GJ] # Das.... 12/30.....re..... Questions to you

all

> >

> > Dear Mark and All,

> >

> > I am not Das, but this being a public list, I am so

> > free to answer.

> >

> > Sorry, but Das has Saturn Lord of 10 in the 9 th

> > Sagitarius with Jupiter. A marvellous Raja Yoga, don't

> > you agree. Jupiter in his own house is stronger than

> > Saturn, so your theory doesn't work.

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> to me.... and it would be interesting to look at

> >> your chart....

> >>

> >> but.... I believe that heavy emphasis on fate is a

> >> Saturnian....perspective...

> >> and yet... I believe the free in life....comes to

> >> us... from Jupiter..

> >>

> >> So...we should see in your chart...that Saturn's

> >> ruling over Jupiter....

> >

> > No its not and I feel there is a great

> > misunderstanding there

> >

> > Jupiter is an expanding influence, Saturn a

> > restricting one,

> >>

> >> Certainly your reference to.... being bi-polar,

> >> living and working at home..

> >> are definitely....Saturnian traits....

> >

> > I disagree. In Hindu Astrology mental illness can be

> > caused by afflicted mercury, afflicted moon, afflicted

> > 5th house (4th house) or all of these. In Das's chart

> > you find a seriously combust mercury in the 2nd house,

> > moon as lord of 4 conjunct ketu aspected by saturn and

> > Rahu in the 5th.

> > So there a multiple factors that come together. Its

> > not a case of being Saturnian or Jovian.

>

>

> Good points though.... and because I didn't know his chart...

> didn't all these reasons....

>

> why....and from where troubles....come....

>

> good points....

>

>

> but as you mention.... my point is just that his experience,

> his feedback....his.... descriptions....

>

>

> all alert to Saturn's negative effects....

>

> Even people with great exalted Saturn's can be out of balance

> and experience....some kind of exalted grief!

>

> My point then....

>

> is to listen to the subjective reports of the person...

>

> and you can hear the offending planet or planets...

>

> in Das' case..... Saturn is restricting Jupiter...

> and as you said....

> fully aspecting the Moon which is already being poorly aspected

> by rahu & ketu....

>

> My ultimate point here.... is to increase the Wisdom of Jupiter...

> to strengthen....

> or diminish the negative effects of saturn....

>

> and these personal 'yaguas' that one can do for oneself...

>

> are very real and very powerful...Jyotish remedies....

>

> that will make a difference....

>

>

> My particular .... insight into Jyotish...is on these Jyotish

> configurations....

>

> specifically....that the malefics not only contain the declarations

of where

> our problems are coming from...

>

>

> But.... !!!

>

>

> they also contain the wisdom....as to what we could start doing

> differently...

>

> to literally change and transform our malefics ....into strengths!

>

>

> >>

> >> But.... when you stir....the Jupiter pole.....

> >> either to meditate.... do

> >> things like Ayurved and even yoga asanas....

> >

> > Saturn can meditate as well as jupiter to stay in your

> > terms. In fact Jupiter is more karaka for formal

> > ritualistic religion, which gets confirmed by Das's

> > life at ISCON. His father (Jupiter in 9)also was a

> > clergy man.

> >

>

> And yes.... Saturn is also a significator of meditation...

> and in fact the Shiva....pole....

>

> so that when we meditate.... we stir the much needed silence

> and deep quietness....

> that will allow us to do more, the right things at the right

times....

>

> and ultimately....diminish our suffering....

>

> the more we get in tune with silence....

>

>

> the more ....we rise up out of ignorance....

>

> and into the bliss of....Being!

>

>

>

> >>

> >> you can begin to change.... your karmas....

> >

> > karmas cannot be changed, only your mental attitude

> > can be changed by meditation. You are saying you are

> > into the "vedic Religion" then you should know that

> > basic fact.>

> >

>

> Karmas...can be changed....

>

> think of karmas.... like a boulder coming down the hill....

>

> you're only mentioning....a kind of mental attitude..

> where you might be able to get out of the way....!

>

> But...if you know about Vedic engineerings....

>

> then you may be familiar with Vedic yaguas... which are used

> to literally send another...... Cosmic...force...

>

> out into the universe...in time and space...

>

> and literally knock off that boulder which is definitely coming!

>

> I know lots of people who have much experience with this Vedic

science...

>

>

> >>

> >>

> >> I practice the TM-sidhis program too...and so I

> >> believe but, from a lot of

> >> wonderful personal experience.... that ... it's

> >> within human beings

> >> potential... to levitate.... to walk through

> >> walls...

> >> to do really anything....

> >

> > yes possible, but of what use is that going to be on

> > the path

>

> the Maharishi, Guru of Transcendental Meditation.... also agrees

> that karmas can and should be changed....

>

> they're difficult...and the ability to do this has been lost,

unavailable...

> for the masses for a long time....

>

> but all that is changeing....

>

> >>

> >> One time when I was meditating... I had my awareness

> >> shoot up, from my

> >> body...and merge with the stars....

> >> then.... it decended.... kind of like that

> >> movie....powers of 10... and

> >> my awareness went into my body....and explored the

> >> subtle inner realities

> >> there as well...

> >

> > these are wonderful experiences that many sadhakas

> > have. Their job is to urge the sadhaka on , they are

> > no end in themselves. You always have to ask, who is

> > experiencing all these siddhis.

> >>

>

> And when You come to the end.... and have the flash...

>

> of Brahman.... that I am the Self....

>

> then you'll know....

> >>

> >>

> >

> >> So...I hope you can open yourself up...to the

> >> possibilities.... of what

> >> we've been talking about....

> >

> > I hope the same about you, too Mark.

> >>

> >> Christina Cameron

> >>

> >>

> >> ps... maybe the reason why the list has been so

> >> quiet is because.... people

> >> instinctively want to grow and improve...

> >> and

> >> if it's all about fate... then why try? why do

> >> anything?

> >

> > I don't think this is the reason at all. It seems a

> > rather strange notion. Living your Karmas does not

> > restrict one from growth. And I don't see what that

> > has to do with not writing on the list.

> > I can only talk about my own reasons. I am going

> > through a difficult and don't always feel like

> > writing. Sometimes I am weary of expressing my views,

> > which often differ from other people's on the list.

> > Like today. I feel that different views are not really

> > appreciated.

> >

> >>

> >> In fact, the founder of the TM program, Maharishi

> >> Mahesh Yogi.... has

> >> said...

> >> this has been India's problem....

> >>

> >> For hundreds of years, now.... it's been thought to

> >> be very hard to grow, to

> >> meditate...to even change oneself...

> >>

> >> as a result....the belief in fate has ruled...

> >> India....for a very long

> >> time.

> >>

> >> Maharishi has said this situation has been the

> >> reason why India has suffered

> >> and remained in ignorance....

> >

> > I think Maharishi meant, that some people use fate as

> > an excuse to remain idle instead of working on

> > bettering their circumstances.

> >

>

> yes... and here we finally agree!

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Find out what made the Top Searches of 2003

> > http://search./top2003

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> > gjlist/

> >

> >

> > gjlist

> >

> > Your

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Happy new year 2004

 

Roiks full Vaishnava name is, I believe, Raghuananda

Das Goravani

 

Now, who is that servant living in constant bliss of

his Guru and Lord Raghuvir (Rama). It was Anjaneya

(Hanuman), the great warrior, who is Lord Shiva

himself.

 

If Das can remember that Lord Shiva can perform the

most terrific austerities and on the other hand be the

divine husband whose love making with Parvathy Devi

shakes the universe, it might help him.

 

And as you pointed out, retrograde Sani is Atmakaraka.

So in order to progress on the spiritual path Sani's

lessons have to be learned.

 

I think the crux of the Richard's horoscope lies in

this fact. Richard tends to ignore the conditon of the

moon and mercury in his chart as well as the

significator for self, Lagnadhipati Mars. Instead he

identifies himself with Guru as Lof 9. To me here lies

the ilusion. Guru does not show Richard's position or

occupation in this life (highpriest). Guru in Lagna in

navamsa forms Guru Chandala with Ketu, and shows this

illusion .Guru in 9 shows that he will have the great

good fortune of being accepted as disciple of a good

Guru and lots of good luck if he stays in tune.

 

Sani is the significator for profession in Das's

chart. Serving a Guru, or in the mundane world being

assistant to a professor orf managing director, living

or working in an institution (Mars in 12) seems to be

Dharma for Das. Not being the Guru himself.

 

Going against ones Dharma or not living in tune with

one's resources causes terrible mental turmoil.

 

Accepting our charts is the hardest thing.

 

Christiane

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- arunuthayan <arunuthayan wrote:

>

> Mark/Christiane,

>

> We cannot ignore the fact that the Atmakaraka is a

> retrograde Saturn

> for Roik (alias Das). No doubt he is known as Das to

> many. Das means

> servant. Servant in the house of Guru.... with Guru.

> Goravani means

> Word of Guru.....Servant to the Word of Guru. Is it

> a coincidence

> that Guru (Jupiter) and the servant (Saturn) are in

> the ninth house?

>

> Loving regards,

> Arun

>

> "Anantovai Vedah"

>

>

> gjlist, Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Christiane & all:

> >

> >

> >

> > And yes.... Saturn may be in the 9th house....

> > but his life.... shows....lots of....

> >

> > Saturnian...qualities....

> >

> > which would seem to reveal more than the fact that

> it's with

> > a good Jupiter....

> >

> > suffering ....and wisdom... going together....

> >

> > Saturn and Jupiter ....though they might be

> considered raja yoga...

> > still is not a high ranking raja yoga.....

> >

> > because....saturn and jupiter are enemies....when

> together....

> >

> > I think my thought is still correct...

> >

> > because Saturn seems to be winning over

> jupiter....

> >

> > fun!

> >

> >

> >

> > Mark K.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > christiane cameron

> <pineappleflamingo>

> > > gjlist

> > > Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:04:18 -0800 (PST)

> > > gjlist

> > > Re: 2[GJ] # Das.... 12/30.....re.....

> Questions to you

> all

> > >

> > > Dear Mark and All,

> > >

> > > I am not Das, but this being a public list, I am

> so

> > > free to answer.

> > >

> > > Sorry, but Das has Saturn Lord of 10 in the 9 th

> > > Sagitarius with Jupiter. A marvellous Raja Yoga,

> don't

> > > you agree. Jupiter in his own house is stronger

> than

> > > Saturn, so your theory doesn't work.

> > >

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> to me.... and it would be interesting to look

> at

> > >> your chart....

> > >>

> > >> but.... I believe that heavy emphasis on fate

> is a

> > >> Saturnian....perspective...

> > >> and yet... I believe the free in life....comes

> to

> > >> us... from Jupiter..

> > >>

> > >> So...we should see in your chart...that

> Saturn's

> > >> ruling over Jupiter....

> > >

> > > No its not and I feel there is a great

> > > misunderstanding there

> > >

> > > Jupiter is an expanding influence, Saturn a

> > > restricting one,

> > >>

> > >> Certainly your reference to.... being bi-polar,

> > >> living and working at home..

> > >> are definitely....Saturnian traits....

> > >

> > > I disagree. In Hindu Astrology mental illness

> can be

> > > caused by afflicted mercury, afflicted moon,

> afflicted

> > > 5th house (4th house) or all of these. In Das's

> chart

> > > you find a seriously combust mercury in the 2nd

> house,

> > > moon as lord of 4 conjunct ketu aspected by

> saturn and

> > > Rahu in the 5th.

> > > So there a multiple factors that come together.

> Its

> > > not a case of being Saturnian or Jovian.

> >

> >

> > Good points though.... and because I didn't know

> his chart...

> > didn't all these reasons....

> >

> > why....and from where troubles....come....

> >

> > good points....

> >

> >

> > but as you mention.... my point is just that his

> experience,

> > his feedback....his.... descriptions....

> >

> >

> > all alert to Saturn's negative effects....

> >

> > Even people with great exalted Saturn's can be out

> of balance

> > and experience....some kind of exalted grief!

> >

> > My point then....

> >

> > is to listen to the subjective reports of the

> person...

> >

> > and you can hear the offending planet or

> planets...

> >

> > in Das' case..... Saturn is restricting Jupiter...

> > and as you said....

> > fully aspecting the Moon which is already being

> poorly aspected

> > by rahu & ketu....

> >

> > My ultimate point here.... is to increase the

> Wisdom of Jupiter...

> > to strengthen....

> > or diminish the negative effects of saturn....

> >

> > and these personal 'yaguas' that one can do for

> oneself...

> >

> > are very real and very powerful...Jyotish

> remedies....

> >

> > that will make a difference....

> >

> >

> > My particular .... insight into Jyotish...is on

> these Jyotish

> > configurations....

> >

> > specifically....that the malefics not only contain

> the declarations

> of where

> > our problems are coming from...

> >

> >

> > But.... !!!

> >

> >

> > they also contain the wisdom....as to what we

> could start doing

> > differently...

> >

> > to literally change and transform our malefics

> ....into strengths!

> >

> >

> > >>

> > >> But.... when you stir....the Jupiter pole.....

> > >> either to meditate.... do

> > >> things like Ayurved and even yoga asanas....

> > >

> > > Saturn can meditate as well as jupiter to stay

> in your

> > > terms. In fact Jupiter is more karaka for formal

> > > ritualistic religion, which gets confirmed by

> Das's

>

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Hi Christiane,

You have written:-

Guru does not show Richard's position or

occupation in this life (highpriest). Guru in Lagna in

navamsa forms Guru Chandala with Ketu, and shows this

illusion .Guru in 9 shows that he will have

----------- The term "chandala" is associated with rahu not ketu.

Guru-chandala yog is jupiter-rahu conjunction.It has nothing to do with ketu.

Regards,

vivek.

 

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 christiane cameron wrote :

>Happy new year 2004

>

>Roiks full Vaishnava name is, I believe, Raghuananda

>Das Goravani

>

>Now, who is that servant living in constant bliss of

>his Guru and Lord Raghuvir (Rama). It was Anjaneya

>(Hanuman), the great warrior, who is Lord Shiva

>himself.

>

>If Das can remember that Lord Shiva can perform the

>most terrific austerities and on the other hand be the

>divine husband whose love making with Parvathy Devi

>shakes the universe, it might help him.

>

>And as you pointed out, retrograde Sani is Atmakaraka.

>So in order to progress on the spiritual path Sani's

>lessons have to be learned.

>

>I think the crux of the Richard's horoscope lies in

>this fact. Richard tends to ignore the conditon of the

>moon and mercury in his chart as well as the

>significator for self, Lagnadhipati Mars. Instead he

>identifies himself with Guru as Lof 9. To me here lies

>the ilusion. Guru does not show Richard's position or

>occupation in this life (highpriest). Guru in Lagna in

>navamsa forms Guru Chandala with Ketu, and shows this

>illusion .Guru in 9 shows that he will have the great

>good fortune of being accepted as disciple of a good

>Guru and lots of good luck if he stays in tune.

>

>Sani is the significator for profession in Das's

>chart. Serving a Guru, or in the mundane world being

>assistant to a professor orf managing director, living

>or working in an institution (Mars in 12) seems to be

>Dharma for Das. Not being the Guru himself.

>

>Going against ones Dharma or not living in tune with

>one's resources causes terrible mental turmoil.

>

>Accepting our charts is the hardest thing.

>

>Christiane

>

>

>

>

>

>

>--- arunuthayan <arunuthayan wrote:

> >

> > Mark/Christiane,

> >

> > We cannot ignore the fact that the Atmakaraka is a

> > retrograde Saturn

> > for Roik (alias Das). No doubt he is known as Das to

> > many. Das means

> > servant. Servant in the house of Guru.... with Guru.

> > Goravani means

> > Word of Guru.....Servant to the Word of Guru. Is it

> > a coincidence

> > that Guru (Jupiter) and the servant (Saturn) are in

> > the ninth house?

> >

> > Loving regards,

> > Arun

> >

> > "Anantovai Vedah"

> >

> >

> > gjlist, Mark Kincaid

> > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > Dear Christiane & all:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > And yes.... Saturn may be in the 9th house....

> > > but his life.... shows....lots of....

> > >

> > > Saturnian...qualities....

> > >

> > > which would seem to reveal more than the fact that

> > it's with

> > > a good Jupiter....

> > >

> > > suffering ....and wisdom... going together....

> > >

> > > Saturn and Jupiter ....though they might be

> > considered raja yoga...

> > > still is not a high ranking raja yoga.....

> > >

> > > because....saturn and jupiter are enemies....when

> > together....

> > >

> > > I think my thought is still correct...

> > >

> > > because Saturn seems to be winning over

> > jupiter....

> > >

> > > fun!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark K.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > christiane cameron

> > <pineappleflamingo>

> > > > gjlist

> > > > Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:04:18 -0800 (PST)

> > > > gjlist

> > > > Re: 2[GJ] # Das.... 12/30.....re.....

> > Questions to you

> > all

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mark and All,

> > > >

> > > > I am not Das, but this being a public list, I am

> > so

> > > > free to answer.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry, but Das has Saturn Lord of 10 in the 9 th

> > > > Sagitarius with Jupiter. A marvellous Raja Yoga,

> > don't

> > > > you agree. Jupiter in his own house is stronger

> > than

> > > > Saturn, so your theory doesn't work.

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> to me.... and it would be interesting to look

> > at

> > > >> your chart....

> > > >>

> > > >> but.... I believe that heavy emphasis on fate

> > is a

> > > >> Saturnian....perspective...

> > > >> and yet... I believe the free in life....comes

> > to

> > > >> us... from Jupiter..

> > > >>

> > > >> So...we should see in your chart...that

> > Saturn's

> > > >> ruling over Jupiter....

> > > >

> > > > No its not and I feel there is a great

> > > > misunderstanding there

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter is an expanding influence, Saturn a

> > > > restricting one,

> > > >>

> > > >> Certainly your reference to.... being bi-polar,

> > > >> living and working at home..

> > > >> are definitely....Saturnian traits....

> > > >

> > > > I disagree. In Hindu Astrology mental illness

> > can be

> > > > caused by afflicted mercury, afflicted moon,

> > afflicted

> > > > 5th house (4th house) or all of these. In Das's

> > chart

> > > > you find a seriously combust mercury in the 2nd

> > house,

> > > > moon as lord of 4 conjunct ketu aspected by

> > saturn and

> > > > Rahu in the 5th.

> > > > So there a multiple factors that come together.

> > Its

> > > > not a case of being Saturnian or Jovian.

> > >

> > >

> > > Good points though.... and because I didn't know

> > his chart...

> > > didn't all these reasons....

> > >

> > > why....and from where troubles....come....

> > >

> > > good points....

> > >

> > >

> > > but as you mention.... my point is just that his

> > experience,

> > > his feedback....his.... descriptions....

> > >

> > >

> > > all alert to Saturn's negative effects....

> > >

> > > Even people with great exalted Saturn's can be out

> > of balance

> > > and experience....some kind of exalted grief!

> > >

> > > My point then....

> > >

> > > is to listen to the subjective reports of the

> > person...

> > >

> > > and you can hear the offending planet or

> > planets...

> > >

> > > in Das' case..... Saturn is restricting Jupiter...

> > > and as you said....

> > > fully aspecting the Moon which is already being

> > poorly aspected

> > > by rahu & ketu....

> > >

> > > My ultimate point here.... is to increase the

> > Wisdom of Jupiter...

> > > to strengthen....

> > > or diminish the negative effects of saturn....

> > >

> > > and these personal 'yaguas' that one can do for

> > oneself...

> > >

> > > are very real and very powerful...Jyotish

> > remedies....

> > >

> > > that will make a difference....

> > >

> > >

> > > My particular .... insight into Jyotish...is on

> > these Jyotish

> > > configurations....

> > >

> > > specifically....that the malefics not only contain

> > the declarations

> > of where

> > > our problems are coming from...

> > >

> > >

> > > But.... !!!

> > >

> > >

> > > they also contain the wisdom....as to what we

> > could start doing

> > > differently...

> > >

> > > to literally change and transform our malefics

> > ....into strengths!

> > >

> > >

> > > >>

> > > >> But.... when you stir....the Jupiter pole.....

> > > >> either to meditate.... do

> > > >> things like Ayurved and even yoga asanas....

> > > >

> > > > Saturn can meditate as well as jupiter to stay

> > in your

> > > > terms. In fact Jupiter is more karaka for formal

> > > > ritualistic religion, which gets confirmed by

> > Das's

> >

>=== message truncated ===

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