Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Dear Tulasi Your question is an important one .What do we say to people that have upcoming difficulties ? I don't believe in either being a prophet of doom or being a false hopeseller . Generally I advise the client that the upcoming period may mean some reverses and therefor be cautious with respect to your personal dealings , your health or your finances . Do some good deeds or perform some remedial measures . Difficult periods also have their good side and happy times interspersed in them and can be excellent for personal growth and spiritual upliftment .Ultimately this world is temporary and has adverse conditions so the Hindus traditionally had moksha , final liberation as the most worthwhile goal .You can preach Krsna consciousness to her to the extent that she is prepared to accept . Hope this helps Nicholas - "tulasidevi2000" <tulasidevi2000 <gjlist> Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:10 PM Re: [GJ] Not only asking about conjunctions - CORRECTION Conjunctions of shadowy > Thank you Nicholas, for asking. Maybe that is the problem. It may not > be clear what I am asking. > > I am asking if there is some good I can give about her upcoming > Saturn period since she has gone through so many life difficulties, > and Saturn is placed in her 8th malefic house. I realize its benefic > for long life, but has other complications like potentially she may > have to relocate, etc. Actually, I will put my previous letters which > may have not been seen or understood before. But knowing more of what > I am looking for, they may help explain her astrological problems and > any help or different perspective on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 Dear Nicholas, Tulasi and all you 900+ voyeurs Hi. I find the topic of what to say about difficult periods and difficult personal aspects very interesting. I'm not sure if I have questions or comments. Both I guess. I understand the danger of "blurting out" negative things to people about their chart or their "future". Some 5 years ago I went to the late Zip Dobyns (tropical) and she blurted out that "your chances for marriage are behind you". Okay. Thanks. I hadn't asked and it had never occurred to me to ask since marriage has always been a pleasant thought but not a necessity to me. I told her I was there to learn more about myself to try to be more self aware (since I'm blind to my own faults) and less self defeating. She only pointed out positives about myself (not useful) and for someone who always said you had to "accept" your chart, she was really no help whatsoever. Now, the only thing I remember is that marriage comment. (I'm unmarried so far: Zip 1, Me 0) Okay, I guess what I'm asking is shouldn't you tell the client the negatives they ASK for? Granted, none of us really wants to hear negatives, but negative truth kindly told seems far more useful than kind vaguenesses where you can start imagining the worst. For instance, I was recently told some specific instances of weird things about Moon/Rahu conjunct people (which I am). I hadn't seen myself as weird before, but now I catch myself doing these things and suddenly recognize them. So I understand myself better, understand the annoyances undergone by the people around me, and either stop myself in the midst of odd behavior, or have a darned good laugh and do it anyway. So, being told helped. Ten years ago (early December) another tropical astrologer told me my father was going to die between end of January and early February (I told her he had cancer which we'd been fighting for 2 years). It startled me, but gave me the chance to spend more time with him, not waste time on stupid stuff (which I had been doing), and make sure that every meal was his "favorite" stuff. Jan 20 he had a sudden turn for the worse and went into the hospital for 2 days. He died Feb 5 and knowing this before helped me with some very difficult decisions that I had to make at that time. I know that during difficult periods our view of material things changes and suddenly what we thought was so vital seems totally unimportant. We realize that other "spiritual" things matter more. This is a good thing. But hearing the somewhat vague statement about reversals and this being a good time for spiritual growth makes me think instantly that the person is going to die and they better hurry up on the spiritual growth. Hmmm. I don't think I'm saying what I want to say. Example: when I was studying for the bar I was terrified by stories about how difficult the California bar exam was and how only 20% passed. No one would say what was so horrible about it, it was just "hell". Well it lasted 3 days and required concentrated thought, but it was hardly "hell". In fact during the exam I thought it was damned easy compared to the terror of the unknown that I'd felt before. (I passed in case anyone cares) My point is: If a difficult period is coming, we can't avoid it by not saying it'll be difficult but wouldn't some specific examples of a type of difficulty or types of activities to do less of, etc, actually be helpful? And wouldn't some kinds of vague talk about "difficulties" actually be more harmful by engendering fear? I'm against blanket negative statements like "you'll never..." but I am for specific negative examples kindly told. I think they're helpful. Of course, that's just my opinion. I don't have clients, I AM one. If I'm wrong, that's cool. Would love to hear other opinions...uh...kindly told! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 Dear Tulsi, Saturan in the 8th may not be so bad, It is always better to post the data for which you are worried. However Nicholas has posted the best reply one shall always say to the consultants facing negative period. Negative periods are best in the life because we clear our debits in those periods, where as in positive periods one becomes over confident and sometime create debits. With Best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni, House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 hanskpvedic, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 One thing to remember always when predicting what planets are going to do: <Remember to do the math> What I mean is: Remember to see how many people by percentage of population, have the placement in question. Let's take Saturn in the 8th in Aries: Saturn is in a sign for 2.5 years roughly At any given time, since there are twelve signs, one in 12 persons will be born with that planet in that house. So for 2.5 years, every 12th person will have it So everyone between the ages of say 20 and 22.5 yrs, right now, has it in Aries say, but 1 in 12 of those persons has it in the 8th That's x% of the population. And the same is true for persons 29 yrs older, the previous cycle, so that is the 50 yr old crowd So you can do this kind of "get a grip" procedure on any planet. It's important to understand. Like Moon with Rahu. Every 12th person has it. Period. It's common. Kuja Dosha: EXTREMELY common. Gajakesari Yoga, pretty common, and so on... I think if you do this, you realize that it's real important to look at the relationship of the planet also with the Moon and in Navamsa, if you really want to predict much. The simple fact of a planet in a sign and house must be backed by other factors in order to produce specific events. Other things to watch for are planets conjoining specific angles from other planets, or the ascendent and Moon especially. Like I have Jupiter less than 2 degrees off the bhava madhya (equal) for the 9th house. So that counts. My saturn conjoins the midheaven exactly and is exactly 9th, 240 degrees, from my Venus. So that counts. It matters. Saturn Venus dasha was something else. I find it embarrassing when astrologers give monumental predictions about a placement that every other person is having. !!!!! or even every 24th person, or what have you. So do the math. It's basically about seeing how often a cycle puts a planet at certain points, and how many people thus will have that in their charts. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 Okay, so using your mathematical example, all planetary sign/house placements are common and all single aspect planetary positions are common. Things would only get less common when you start adding up the influences, right? Like my Moon/Rahu conjunction is common, that same conjunction in Gemini is a hair less common, that same conjunction in Gemini 2* opposite Sun slightly less, Sun being lagna lord narrows it down more, etc. But with 1 billion people on earth (?), I've gone from being as common as dirt to being as common as good dirt. I can see that as far as predicting future events, unique aspects/placements/etc are more telling than common ones, but for personality traits aren't you affected by what's in your chart no matter how common? I mean, rudeness is common. But if I have the "rude" aspect in my chart it's still going to annoy the people around me no matter how common, isn't it? And aren't more events in one's life common type events and therefore predictable with the common planetary placements? A lot of people lose their jobs. Every person on earth dies. Everyone has difficult periods and some depression. Everyone has a "good day". Not everyone wins the lottery - need a unique chart feature. I understand basically what you are saying. We all need to put things in perspective. But we're not all destined to be great. Some of us have nothing but common in the chart. So what do WE do? Don't you have to start somewhere? First learn what it means to have one common placement, then blend it with what it means to have another common placement and so on? Am I missing your point? Any thoughts? Anyone? Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 Hi Mary A quick reply > Okay, I guess what I'm asking is shouldn't you tell > the client the negatives they ASK for? In a paltable way ( not demoralising ) > My point is: If a difficult period is coming, we can't > avoid it by not saying it'll be difficult but wouldn't > some specific examples of a type of difficulty or > types of activities to do less of, etc, actually be > helpful? And wouldn't some kinds of vague talk about > "difficulties" actually be more harmful by engendering > fear? Yes one should specify what areas to be careful in and what opportunities are there to capitalise on Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 Nicholas, yes it is not always easy to tell someone, a friend, of an upcoming difficult period. Though I seems to be able to do that to a degree. Not perfectly, but for whatever reason, or maybe since I believe in telling them the truth, I have often been able to find a way to tell them the whole picture. My concern isn't about only telling good, but that I need to understand more about the good in their chart. Saturn is NOT a malefic planet for them. The 8th house may or may not be, under such circustances especially. Regarding telling them about Krishna consciousness if they are open to it, they all ready are a devotee and have been a very long time. No problem there, but I would like to be able to say, with all the bad I see, here is some good over here, just look, you have this to look forward to as well. Because I will tell them the junk, I simply would like to shine some light on the benefics that I dont see or are less obvious, or my (somewhat) newness has limited me to. Tulasi gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > Dear Tulasi > > Your question is an important one .What do we say to people that have > upcoming difficulties ? > I don't believe in either being a prophet of doom or being a false > hopeseller . > Generally I advise the client that the upcoming period may mean some > reverses and therefor be cautious with respect to your personal dealings , > your health or your finances . Do some good deeds or perform some remedial > measures . Difficult periods also have their good side and happy times > interspersed in them and can be excellent for personal growth and spiritual > upliftment .Ultimately this world is temporary and has adverse conditions so > the Hindus traditionally had moksha , final liberation as the most > worthwhile goal .You can preach Krsna consciousness to her to the extent > that she is prepared to accept . > > Hope this helps > Nicholas > > - > "tulasidevi2000" <tulasidevi2000> > <gjlist> > Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:10 PM > Re: [GJ] Not only asking about conjunctions - CORRECTION > Conjunctions of shadowy > > > > Thank you Nicholas, for asking. Maybe that is the problem. It may not > > be clear what I am asking. > > > > I am asking if there is some good I can give about her upcoming > > Saturn period since she has gone through so many life difficulties, > > and Saturn is placed in her 8th malefic house. I realize its benefic > > for long life, but has other complications like potentially she may > > have to relocate, etc. Actually, I will put my previous letters which > > may have not been seen or understood before. But knowing more of what > > I am looking for, they may help explain her astrological problems and > > any help or different perspective on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 Mary, hi, In essence I am in agreement with what you said. I think if we are going to predict malefics we should try to accompnay it with some potential solution or point out how, in some cases, what appears to be a malefic may be what they wanted, therefore a benefic. Like one woman being abused in her marriage, she was thrilled to hear she was about to go through a 'malefic' Mahadas which would most likely result in divorce. Thats just one example. Not that all should be explained that way, only if it applies! Others may fit better into the cateogry of "Here is something you can do about it" or "Here is a way to dovetail that." Which is why I have been asking about this chart. To see more clearly the malefics (even if that means its worse than what i see, or it could not be as bad!) as much as to find some good in it. Though as I mentioned that her saturn is benefic for her rising sign of aqu, it is the 8th house that has thrown me. Tulasi gjlist, Mary Quinn <mary1quinn> wrote: > Dear Nicholas, Tulasi and all you 900+ voyeurs > > Hi. > > I find the topic of what to say about difficult > periods and difficult personal aspects very > interesting. I'm not sure if I have questions or > comments. Both I guess. > > I understand the danger of "blurting out" negative > things to people about their chart or their "future". > Some 5 years ago I went to the late Zip Dobyns > (tropical) and she blurted out that "your chances for > marriage are behind you". Okay. Thanks. I hadn't asked > and it had never occurred to me to ask since marriage > has always been a pleasant thought but not a necessity > to me. I told her I was there to learn more about > myself to try to be more self aware (since I'm blind > to my own faults) and less self defeating. She only > pointed out positives about myself (not useful) and > for someone who always said you had to "accept" your > chart, she was really no help whatsoever. Now, the > only thing I remember is that marriage comment. (I'm > unmarried so far: Zip 1, Me 0) > > Okay, I guess what I'm asking is shouldn't you tell > the client the negatives they ASK for? Granted, none > of us really wants to hear negatives, but negative > truth kindly told seems far more useful than kind > vaguenesses where you can start imagining the worst. > For instance, I was recently told some specific > instances of weird things about Moon/Rahu conjunct > people (which I am). I hadn't seen myself as weird > before, but now I catch myself doing these things and > suddenly recognize them. So I understand myself > better, understand the annoyances undergone by the > people around me, and either stop myself in the midst > of odd behavior, or have a darned good laugh and do it > anyway. So, being told helped. > > Ten years ago (early December) another tropical > astrologer told me my father was going to die between > end of January and early February (I told her he had > cancer which we'd been fighting for 2 years). It > startled me, but gave me the chance to spend more time > with him, not waste time on stupid stuff (which I had > been doing), and make sure that every meal was his > "favorite" stuff. Jan 20 he had a sudden turn for the > worse and went into the hospital for 2 days. He died > Feb 5 and knowing this before helped me with some very > difficult decisions that I had to make at that time. > > I know that during difficult periods our view of > material things changes and suddenly what we thought > was so vital seems totally unimportant. We realize > that other "spiritual" things matter more. This is a > good thing. But hearing the somewhat vague statement > about reversals and this being a good time for > spiritual growth makes me think instantly that the > person is going to die and they better hurry up on the > spiritual growth. Hmmm. I don't think I'm saying what > I want to say. Example: when I was studying for the > bar I was terrified by stories about how difficult the > California bar exam was and how only 20% passed. No > one would say what was so horrible about it, it was > just "hell". Well it lasted 3 days and required > concentrated thought, but it was hardly "hell". In > fact during the exam I thought it was damned easy > compared to the terror of the unknown that I'd felt > before. (I passed in case anyone cares) > > My point is: If a difficult period is coming, we can't > avoid it by not saying it'll be difficult but wouldn't > some specific examples of a type of difficulty or > types of activities to do less of, etc, actually be > helpful? And wouldn't some kinds of vague talk about > "difficulties" actually be more harmful by engendering > fear? > > I'm against blanket negative statements like "you'll > never..." but I am for specific negative examples > kindly told. I think they're helpful. > > Of course, that's just my opinion. I don't have > clients, I AM one. If I'm wrong, that's cool. Would > love to hear other opinions...uh...kindly told! > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 Dear Rick If I may add something - interesting matter Saturn in 8th in Aries etc. That means Virgo ascendant. Difference in solar rising times due to latitude means that people born in northern latitudes, especially higher northern latitudes have predominance of Virgo Ascendant - a little more than Libra or Leo but a lot more than Pisces, Aries, Aquarius. Very large land masses in northern latitudes would suggest that Virgo rising may be the commonest rising sign in the world. Mercury gives height for example - northern hemisphere people taller than southern on average. Regards Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 dear Inderji at the bottom u have pasted the group address/link .. it is not working because there is a comma.. please delete it.. i have however joined the group since i detected the error ajoy gjlist, Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney@s...> wrote: > Dear Tulsi, > Saturan in the 8th may not be so bad, It is always better to post the data > for which you are worried. However Nicholas has posted the best reply one > shall always say to the consultants facing negative period. > Negative periods are best in the life because we clear our debits in those > periods, where as in positive periods one becomes over confident and > sometime create debits. > With Best wishes, > Inder Jit Sahni, > House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > hanskpvedic, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Inder Jit, Thanks. Though Saturn is not a malefic for her. (I keep saying this but no one seems to get that point. Maybe since Saturn is considered a intrinsic malefic, but for her rising it acts as a benefic.) Its that 8th house I am not sure how to read under the "cirumstances of Saturn being benefic!" :-) Even if its not a perfect benefic, it is essentially a good period for her. I asked her if I could post her birth data but she said no. However she said its ok to post where her planets fall, etc. Thats almost the same thing. Here it is: Lagna: Aqu Guru in 3rd H/Aries Chandra in 4th H exalted & direct, sign Taurus Three planets in sixth house / cancer: Buddha retrograde and combust Sun Ketu direct Venus in 7th/Leo Sani in 8th H/Vrigo Mars in 9th H/ Libra and a RajaYoga Rahu in 12th H/cap Since she is on her way out of a very painful Jupiter Mahadas and into what appears to me to basically be a benefic Saturn period, this is her main concern. Anyone? Tulasi gjlist, Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney@s...> wrote: > Dear Tulsi, > Saturan in the 8th may not be so bad, It is always better to post the data > for which you are worried. However Nicholas has posted the best reply one > shall always say to the consultants facing negative period. > Negative periods are best in the life because we clear our debits in those > periods, where as in positive periods one becomes over confident and > sometime create debits. > With Best wishes, > Inder Jit Sahni, > House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > hanskpvedic, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Hello dear Tulasi, As per SA., the followings are the malefics for the native chart posted below by you ; Malefics ; Mer, Moon, Rahu and Ketu. Benefics ; Jup., Venus,Mars, Sun and Sat. Sat. and Sun looks like rendering weak due to placements in 8th and 6th house. The same could be true for other planets if strong or weak by strength until it becomes known. Dependidng upon the degree of ASDT. , the power (degree) of Planets, conjuction/affliction/aspects, present dasa and its transit effects, all need to be looked in to before any further can be elaborated on this native chart. Otherwise, you are shooting in the dark. Best wishes.................................................Amar Puri. >"tulasidevi2000" <tulasidevi2000 >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [GJ] Upcoming difficult periods / To Tulasi >Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:04:06 -0000 > >Inder Jit, > >Thanks. > >Though Saturn is not a malefic for her. (I keep saying this but no >one seems to get that point. Maybe since Saturn is considered a >intrinsic malefic, but for her rising it acts as a benefic.) Its that >8th house I am not sure how to read under the "cirumstances of Saturn >being benefic!" :-) Even if its not a perfect benefic, it is >essentially a good period for her. > >I asked her if I could post her birth data but she said no. However >she said its ok to post where her planets fall, etc. Thats almost the >same thing. Here it is: > >Lagna: Aqu > >Guru in 3rd H/Aries > >Chandra in 4th H exalted & direct, sign Taurus > >Three planets in sixth house / cancer: >Buddha retrograde and combust >Sun >Ketu direct > >Venus in 7th/Leo > >Sani in 8th H/Vrigo > >Mars in 9th H/ Libra and a RajaYoga > >Rahu in 12th H/cap > >Since she is on her way out of a very painful Jupiter Mahadas and >into what appears to me to basically be a benefic Saturn period, this >is her main concern. > >Anyone? > >Tulasi > >gjlist, Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney@s...> wrote: > > Dear Tulsi, > > Saturan in the 8th may not be so bad, It is always better to post >the data > > for which you are worried. However Nicholas has posted the best >reply one > > shall always say to the consultants facing negative period. > > Negative periods are best in the life because we clear our debits >in those > > periods, where as in positive periods one becomes over confident and > > sometime create debits. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni, > > House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > > hanskpvedic, > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > > Links > > > gjlist/ > > > gjlist > >Your > > > _______________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com\ %2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 DearTulsi, Birth date fit in is 16th July 1952, But witout lagna degree and place i can not decide exactly, any how Venus was in Cancer and not leo. Jupiter was in the constealtion of Combust Venus and Saturan sub , Jupiter may have lot of potential , but its placement in the combust star is like a energy supply passing near by represented by the strength of Jupiter in aries with Mars aspect but will be supplied through the Venus line to the house, who is burnt , as such no benefit of Jupiter strength , instead one felt much disturbed due to non receipt of gains, loss to the husband, and failure in her attempts for grace in job placement and house etc. and all that , it resulted in sub lord of Jupiter which is Saturan in 8th, means loss of health and emotional disturbance ( sat in moon constelation in 4rth). Thus Jupiter was worst. Mars is also not raj yoga in 9th , it is in Rahu star and rahu is in the 12th, gives capability to spend heavily but without any proper cause. Or leaving the things/persons due to wrong concepts. Saturan Dasha is the period to care the health, it cause negative views and depression, it is not positive either. Ask this woman to use any stone of Venus like a small piece of diamond or any subsitute of Diamond and submit to God in the form of Sun. I can move exact with the correct data. With best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni, House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 hanskpvedic - "tulasidevi2000" <tulasidevi2000 <gjlist> Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:34 AM Re: [GJ] Upcoming difficult periods / To Tulasi > Inder Jit, > > Thanks. > > Though Saturn is not a malefic for her. (I keep saying this but no > one seems to get that point. Maybe since Saturn is considered a > intrinsic malefic, but for her rising it acts as a benefic.) Its that > 8th house I am not sure how to read under the "cirumstances of Saturn > being benefic!" :-) Even if its not a perfect benefic, it is > essentially a good period for her. > > I asked her if I could post her birth data but she said no. However > she said its ok to post where her planets fall, etc. Thats almost the > same thing. Here it is: > > Lagna: Aqu > > Guru in 3rd H/Aries > > Chandra in 4th H exalted & direct, sign Taurus > > Three planets in sixth house / cancer: > Buddha retrograde and combust > Sun > Ketu direct > > Venus in 7th/Leo > > Sani in 8th H/Vrigo > > Mars in 9th H/ Libra and a RajaYoga > > Rahu in 12th H/cap > > Since she is on her way out of a very painful Jupiter Mahadas and > into what appears to me to basically be a benefic Saturn period, this > is her main concern. > > Anyone? > > Tulasi > > gjlist, Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney@s...> wrote: > > Dear Tulsi, > > Saturan in the 8th may not be so bad, It is always better to post > the data > > for which you are worried. However Nicholas has posted the best > reply one > > shall always say to the consultants facing negative period. > > Negative periods are best in the life because we clear our debits > in those > > periods, where as in positive periods one becomes over confident and > > sometime create debits. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni, > > House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > > hanskpvedic > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Links > > > gjlist/ > > > gjlist > > Your > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 I dont know what you are doing here. I all ready figured out where the planets fall. Its not that I dont know the date or time of her birth, its that she doesn't want anyone on the list to know! And its not July 16, 52. So again, her asc is Aqu, Jup is in 3 H in Aries, Moon is in 4 H in Tau and is exalted and direct, Retro Merc with Sun and Ketu is Direct - all three conjoin in 6th h in Ca, Venus is in 7th H in Leo, Saturn in 8th in Virgo, Mars RY in Libra in 9th H, finaly Rahu is Direct and in cap in 12th. Please give reading acording to this. Thanks. Tulasi gjlist, Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney@s...> wrote: > DearTulsi, > Birth date fit in is 16th July 1952, But witout lagna degree and place i can > not decide exactly, any how Venus was in Cancer and not leo. > Jupiter was in the constealtion of Combust Venus and Saturan sub , Jupiter > may have lot of potential , but its placement in the combust star is like a > energy supply passing near by represented by the strength of Jupiter in > aries with Mars aspect but will be supplied through the Venus line to the > house, who is burnt , as such no benefit of Jupiter strength , instead one > felt much disturbed due to non receipt of gains, loss to the husband, and > failure in her attempts for grace in job placement and house etc. and all > that , it resulted in sub lord of Jupiter which is Saturan in 8th, means > loss of health and emotional disturbance ( sat in moon constelation in > 4rth). Thus Jupiter was worst. > Mars is also not raj yoga in 9th , it is in Rahu star and rahu is in the > 12th, gives capability to spend heavily but without any proper cause. Or > leaving the things/persons due to wrong concepts. > Saturan Dasha is the period to care the health, it cause negative views and > depression, it is not positive either. Ask this woman to use any stone of > Venus like a small piece of diamond or any subsitute of Diamond and submit > to God in the form of Sun. > I can move exact with the correct data. > With best wishes, > Inder Jit Sahni, House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > hanskpvedic > > - > "tulasidevi2000" <tulasidevi2000> > <gjlist> > Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:34 AM > Re: [GJ] Upcoming difficult periods / To Tulasi > > > > Inder Jit, > > > > Thanks. > > > > Though Saturn is not a malefic for her. (I keep saying this but no > > one seems to get that point. Maybe since Saturn is considered a > > intrinsic malefic, but for her rising it acts as a benefic.) Its that > > 8th house I am not sure how to read under the "cirumstances of Saturn > > being benefic!" :-) Even if its not a perfect benefic, it is > > essentially a good period for her. > > > > I asked her if I could post her birth data but she said no. However > > she said its ok to post where her planets fall, etc. Thats almost the > > same thing. Here it is: > > > > Lagna: Aqu > > > > Guru in 3rd H/Aries > > > > Chandra in 4th H exalted & direct, sign Taurus > > > > Three planets in sixth house / cancer: > > Buddha retrograde and combust > > Sun > > Ketu direct > > > > Venus in 7th/Leo > > > > Sani in 8th H/Vrigo > > > > Mars in 9th H/ Libra and a RajaYoga > > > > Rahu in 12th H/cap > > > > Since she is on her way out of a very painful Jupiter Mahadas and > > into what appears to me to basically be a benefic Saturn period, this > > is her main concern. > > > > Anyone? > > > > Tulasi > > > > gjlist, Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney@s...> wrote: > > > Dear Tulsi, > > > Saturan in the 8th may not be so bad, It is always better to post > > the data > > > for which you are worried. However Nicholas has posted the best > > reply one > > > shall always say to the consultants facing negative period. > > > Negative periods are best in the life because we clear our debits > > in those > > > periods, where as in positive periods one becomes over confident and > > > sometime create debits. > > > With Best wishes, > > > Inder Jit Sahni, > > > House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > > > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > > > hanskpvedic > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > gjlist/ > > > > > > gjlist > > > > Your > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Dear Tulsi, I am sorry, I will not be of help to you then, because i dont beleive in full rashi full house concept,for me planet is source of energy, rashi cause its development in full or cut these energies, planets associations , combination and aspect modify it , but this travel to us or effect us through Bhava Chart, which is most neccessary. Also double check for Venus it was not in leo for nearest possible setup of planets. With best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni gjlist, "tulasidevi2000" <tulasidevi2000> wrote: > I dont know what you are doing here. I all ready figured out where > the planets fall. Its not that I dont know the date or time of her > birth, its that she doesn't want anyone on the list to know! And its > not July 16, 52. > > So again, her asc is Aqu, Jup is in 3 H in Aries, Moon is in 4 H in > Tau and is exalted and direct, Retro Merc with Sun and Ketu is > Direct - all three conjoin in 6th h in Ca, Venus is in 7th H in Leo, > Saturn in 8th in Virgo, Mars RY in Libra in 9th H, finaly Rahu is > Direct and in cap in 12th. > > Please give reading acording to this. Thanks. > > Tulasi > > > gjlist, Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney@s...> wrote: > > DearTulsi, > > Birth date fit in is 16th July 1952, But witout lagna degree and > place i can > > not decide exactly, any how Venus was in Cancer and not leo. > > Jupiter was in the constealtion of Combust Venus and Saturan sub , > Jupiter > > may have lot of potential , but its placement in the combust star > is like a > > energy supply passing near by represented by the strength of > Jupiter in > > aries with Mars aspect but will be supplied through the Venus line > to the > > house, who is burnt , as such no benefit of Jupiter strength , > instead one > > felt much disturbed due to non receipt of gains, loss to the > husband, and > > failure in her attempts for grace in job placement and house etc. > and all > > that , it resulted in sub lord of Jupiter which is Saturan in 8th, > means > > loss of health and emotional disturbance ( sat in moon constelation > in > > 4rth). Thus Jupiter was worst. > > Mars is also not raj yoga in 9th , it is in Rahu star and rahu is > in the > > 12th, gives capability to spend heavily but without any proper > cause. Or > > leaving the things/persons due to wrong concepts. > > Saturan Dasha is the period to care the health, it cause negative > views and > > depression, it is not positive either. Ask this woman to use any > stone of > > Venus like a small piece of diamond or any subsitute of Diamond and > submit > > to God in the form of Sun. > > I can move exact with the correct data. > > With best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni, House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > > hanskpvedic > > > > - > > "tulasidevi2000" <tulasidevi2000> > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:34 AM > > Re: [GJ] Upcoming difficult periods / To Tulasi > > > > > > > Inder Jit, > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Though Saturn is not a malefic for her. (I keep saying this but no > > > one seems to get that point. Maybe since Saturn is considered a > > > intrinsic malefic, but for her rising it acts as a benefic.) Its > that > > > 8th house I am not sure how to read under the "cirumstances of > Saturn > > > being benefic!" :-) Even if its not a perfect benefic, it is > > > essentially a good period for her. > > > > > > I asked her if I could post her birth data but she said no. > However > > > she said its ok to post where her planets fall, etc. Thats almost > the > > > same thing. Here it is: > > > > > > Lagna: Aqu > > > > > > Guru in 3rd H/Aries > > > > > > Chandra in 4th H exalted & direct, sign Taurus > > > > > > Three planets in sixth house / cancer: > > > Buddha retrograde and combust > > > Sun > > > Ketu direct > > > > > > Venus in 7th/Leo > > > > > > Sani in 8th H/Vrigo > > > > > > Mars in 9th H/ Libra and a RajaYoga > > > > > > Rahu in 12th H/cap > > > > > > Since she is on her way out of a very painful Jupiter Mahadas and > > > into what appears to me to basically be a benefic Saturn period, > this > > > is her main concern. > > > > > > Anyone? > > > > > > Tulasi > > > > > > gjlist, Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney@s...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Tulsi, > > > > Saturan in the 8th may not be so bad, It is always better to > post > > > the data > > > > for which you are worried. However Nicholas has posted the best > > > reply one > > > > shall always say to the consultants facing negative period. > > > > Negative periods are best in the life because we clear our > debits > > > in those > > > > periods, where as in positive periods one becomes over > confident and > > > > sometime create debits. > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni, > > > > House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > > > > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > > > > hanskpvedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > gjlist/ > > > > > > > > > gjlist > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 You have written:> Since she is on her way out of a very painful Jupiter Mahadas and > > into what appears to me to basically be a benefic Saturn period The painfulness could be due to sade-sati. Saturn dasha will be far better for her than jupiter dasha.Rulership is the dominant factor to decide if a planet's dasha will be good or bad. vivek. On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 tulasidevi2000 wrote : >I dont know what you are doing here. I all ready figured out where >the planets fall. Its not that I dont know the date or time of her >birth, its that she doesn't want anyone on the list to know! And its >not July 16, 52. > >So again, her asc is Aqu, Jup is in 3 H in Aries, Moon is in 4 H in >Tau and is exalted and direct, Retro Merc with Sun and Ketu is >Direct - all three conjoin in 6th h in Ca, Venus is in 7th H in Leo, >Saturn in 8th in Virgo, Mars RY in Libra in 9th H, finaly Rahu is >Direct and in cap in 12th. > >Please give reading acording to this. Thanks. > >Tulasi > > >gjlist, Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney@s...> wrote: > > DearTulsi, > > Birth date fit in is 16th July 1952, But witout lagna degree and >place i can > > not decide exactly, any how Venus was in Cancer and not leo. > > Jupiter was in the constealtion of Combust Venus and Saturan sub , >Jupiter > > may have lot of potential , but its placement in the combust star >is like a > > energy supply passing near by represented by the strength of >Jupiter in > > aries with Mars aspect but will be supplied through the Venus line >to the > > house, who is burnt , as such no benefit of Jupiter strength , >instead one > > felt much disturbed due to non receipt of gains, loss to the >husband, and > > failure in her attempts for grace in job placement and house etc. >and all > > that , it resulted in sub lord of Jupiter which is Saturan in 8th, >means > > loss of health and emotional disturbance ( sat in moon constelation >in > > 4rth). Thus Jupiter was worst. > > Mars is also not raj yoga in 9th , it is in Rahu star and rahu is >in the > > 12th, gives capability to spend heavily but without any proper >cause. Or > > leaving the things/persons due to wrong concepts. > > Saturan Dasha is the period to care the health, it cause negative >views and > > depression, it is not positive either. Ask this woman to use any >stone of > > Venus like a small piece of diamond or any subsitute of Diamond and >submit > > to God in the form of Sun. > > I can move exact with the correct data. > > With best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni, House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > > hanskpvedic > > > > - > > "tulasidevi2000" <tulasidevi2000> > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:34 AM > > Re: [GJ] Upcoming difficult periods / To Tulasi > > > > > > > Inder Jit, > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Though Saturn is not a malefic for her. (I keep saying this but no > > > one seems to get that point. Maybe since Saturn is considered a > > > intrinsic malefic, but for her rising it acts as a benefic.) Its >that > > > 8th house I am not sure how to read under the "cirumstances of >Saturn > > > being benefic!" :-) Even if its not a perfect benefic, it is > > > essentially a good period for her. > > > > > > I asked her if I could post her birth data but she said no. >However > > > she said its ok to post where her planets fall, etc. Thats almost >the > > > same thing. Here it is: > > > > > > Lagna: Aqu > > > > > > Guru in 3rd H/Aries > > > > > > Chandra in 4th H exalted & direct, sign Taurus > > > > > > Three planets in sixth house / cancer: > > > Buddha retrograde and combust > > > Sun > > > Ketu direct > > > > > > Venus in 7th/Leo > > > > > > Sani in 8th H/Vrigo > > > > > > Mars in 9th H/ Libra and a RajaYoga > > > > > > Rahu in 12th H/cap > > > > > > Since she is on her way out of a very painful Jupiter Mahadas and > > > into what appears to me to basically be a benefic Saturn period, >this > > > is her main concern. > > > > > > Anyone? > > > > > > Tulasi > > > > > > gjlist, Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney@s...> >wrote: > > > > Dear Tulsi, > > > > Saturan in the 8th may not be so bad, It is always better to >post > > > the data > > > > for which you are worried. However Nicholas has posted the best > > > reply one > > > > shall always say to the consultants facing negative period. > > > > Negative periods are best in the life because we clear our >debits > > > in those > > > > periods, where as in positive periods one becomes over >confident and > > > > sometime create debits. > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni, > > > > House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > > > > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > > > > hanskpvedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > gjlist/ > > > > > > > > > gjlist > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > > Links > > > gjlist/ > > > gjlist > >Your > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 I fully accept Roik's 'common sense' warning. And am aware of the fact that Brendan wrote about- and people from the south are more yang.too. combining all, we come to A*C*G, also, and the fact that the place we live in does change our 'destiny' in a way.. Add that to Roik's 'rule'- astrology should teach us humbleness, indeed. Thus,I am surprised over and over again when I see how arrogant know-it-all some astrologers can be! Amazing. Regards, Anna - <GWBrennan <gjlist> Monday, January 19, 2004 6:04 AM Re: [GJ] Upcoming difficult periods / To Tulasi > Dear Rick > If I may add something - interesting matter Saturn in 8th in Aries etc. That > means Virgo ascendant. Difference in solar rising times due to latitude > means that people born in northern latitudes, especially higher northern latitudes > have predominance of Virgo Ascendant - a little more than Libra or Leo but a > lot more than Pisces, Aries, Aquarius. Very large land masses in northern > latitudes would suggest that Virgo rising may be the commonest rising sign in the > world. Mercury gives height for example - northern hemisphere people taller > than southern on average. > Regards > Gordon > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Links > > > gjlist/ > > > gjlist > > Your > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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