Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 There have been astrologers from time to time who bring into the market their own systems of how to do astrology. I think this is done mainly because: 1. They personally like astrology, found it, studied it, got into it 2. Developed their own style over time as all do 3. Found they could market their style and make money Driven by the need to make a living, we all do what we can to accomplish that. Sometimes, some persons, who have leadership and business qualities, find that they can make a living as teachers and leaders. They often have to have a unique angle in order to stand out, so they label their approach and go about teaching it. Others go about this without making a new label, such as BV Raman. He didn¹t make a ³Raman² version of astrology, he just talked about Vedic book after book. Krishnamurti made some large departures from standard Vedic, such as using a Western House system, and emphasizing one part of Vedic to the extreme (the nakshatra sublords). The SA approach is not that radical of a departure from Vedic. What it does is teach a simplified approach, with stricter guidelines. The overall mood of SA in my mind is ³Here¹s a handy subset of the rules, easier to memorize, easier to apply, which work well². That¹s it¹s claim. It¹s not a radical departure. It¹s more of a streamlined version. The Sanjay Rath group, their version is very complex, and emphasizes many Jaimini techniques. I suppose there are other groups to comment upong, but I can¹t think of them now. If one is the type mentally that needs rules to follow, SA is not a bad idea. I myself am the opposite. My karma mentally is such that I dislike rules, and I approach based on broad reading, which I let sink in, and then I go with intuition, which is nothing more than the brain using what it has stored subconsciously. I do notice things scientifically as well, such as, my repeated speaking about the efficacy of the equal house madhyas being hit by the transiting lagna as indicators of moments when things will happen in the day. This is called the MEP in SA, a point I happen to agree with only because my daily research has proved it out, but it¹s a standard part of standard Vedic Astrology. It was not invented by myself or VK Choudry. I personally find standard Vedic Astrology of the simplistic type works well. I do not follow rules, and I do not follow SA or KP or anything. I just read all the books, watch things, try things, and have found much reality in Vedic Astrology. To say, as some in SA and KP do, that in general Vedic Astrology with all it¹s books and conflicting rules is a hodgepodge, is an oversimplification, in my opinion. There are many books because many enthusiasts over thousands of years felt compelled to write their findings down, just as the two professors behind KP and SA have found they wish to do so, and their rules now add to the pile of Vedic Astrology rules. When people ask me for good beginner books, I never recommend any specifically. I just tell them: ³Go searching, and see where nature leads you. You will find the books you are supposed to find, and go from there². This is easy for me, and I believe it. Following your heart will lead you to the land of your love. Truth be told! And your gut is literally connected via nerves to your brain. This is why nervousness is felt in the gut, and the brain, and why Seratonin (brain) medications affect digestion intensly- because their reuptake inhibitness affects the seratonin nature of the stomach (true science, cutting edge, don¹t believe me, look it up). So believing your gut, and your heart, is your best guide. These are places where you can feel the truth, YOUR truth. When I see the old books of Jyotish, I am drawn to them in reverrences. If a modern person tells me ³ignore those², and follow my simplified approach, I get a bad feeling. That¹s me. It¹s because I like old things, and standard things, and I want to go through, from the ground up. That¹s me. I liked buying Saravali, Jatakaparijata, and BPHS. I liked reading them. That was my beginning. I¹ve never been out for ³finding out how to read real fast². I was out for the experience of enlightenment. I found it. I found it very much so in the old ones, and in some new ones by some nice sensitive and sincere authors. Then there is VK Choudrys approach, and personality, which works for some. Bravo for them. I for example have a very hard time being around Virgo, as I¹ve mentioned before. It¹s 6th from my lagna, and 8th from my moon. But VERY MANY astrologers and students thereof are VERY virgoan, because that sign is one of the main rulers over books, libraries, study, students, studiousness, exactness, etc. I don¹t have this wavelength in me. I work from a very different set of places. So for them, the simplified, rule driven, approach may be better, more attractive. Again, follow YOUR heart and YOUR gut and find YOUR happy place. We all can. Vedic is HUGE. Vedic is a BIG set of HUGGING ARMS. There¹s room in it for EVERYBODY. One thing about Veda, all the Vedas, is that they are not really India-centric, not Hindu-centric, not anything Centric. This is a bit unique and WONDERFUL. Everyone can find something there, from Kama Sutra to Liberation, from Jyotish to Free Will, from Hell Worship to God Worship. Everything is there. If someone dislikes these statements, sorry, I just personally found everything in the books. Everything. Dark Gods and Spirits, and Light Ones. Belief in total free will, and belief in total pre-destiny, and so on. Well, that¹s enough. Cheers, Rick Das Goravani, Pres. Service http://www.dancingmooninc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 Dear Rick, Just a few words to share my viewpoint to your interesting essay. First, I appreciate your approach to be open minded about what works in astrology. As an Aries, you are something of an exception in the field of astrology. Professor Chouhdry, puts it this way "Since Arians are men of deeds, they believe less in Astrology." That said, I think it is your strong Jupiter that makes you the exceptional Aries, interested in both religion and astrology. However, even then the tendency is for finding an outlet for activity, such as developing a great software package, which is good for the rest of us. So, you find some happy balance between the need to engage in the outer field of action, while retaining an inner realm of meaning. You have made a business out of your astrology and religious interest. Likewise, has developed his system to accurately read charts, to pinpoint the karma and offer astral remedies. I find that it works really well at the individual level. I have now spent around five years to apply it in the domain level and find the going more tough there, but there are breakthroughs along the way. Second, regarding the choice of type of astrology, I think for most people it it a question of what works for them that it is really all about. I came to jyotish from western in the mid 1980s because I was tired of the seeming endless array of possible interpretations and the lack of predictive consistency and accuracy. Jyotish seemed to offer much more systematicity for interpreting the chart and predicting events, past, present and future. Even then, over the span of one decade of studying vedic, I again felt submerged in too many alternatives. I even dropped out of jyotish for a few years. In 1998, I then stumbled on SA and became impressed with its analytic simplicity and reproducibility of predictive result. I don´t think it has anything special to do with the fact that I am a Virgo native. In fact, I find SA attracts all ascendants, in as much as there is an interest in astrology to begin with. Moreover, I find SA is being undersold, when it is claimed to be just a simplified version of jyotish. It is every bit as rich as Jyotish can hope to be even if it has been made internally consistent. That said, whatever seems to work for others is what matters. Ultimately, we can and must follow that which resonates with our own understanding. I just think those having discovered SA are lucky to have found a comprehensible, comprehensive and reproducible system of astrology. Cheers, Thor Aries Ascendant Aries is a fiery sign ruled by Mars, the significator of energy. The Sun, the significator of vitality, is exalted in this sign. Saturn, the planet of lethargy, becomes debilitated in this sign. These factors render the Arians most active, strong, aggressive and healthy in case Mars is strong. If Aries rises as the ascendant, the Ishta Devata would be mother divine, Goddess Durga. Worshipping the Ishta Devata would help in spiritual evolution and in maintaining mental peace. This sign rules head (cranium and forehead) and brain. If Mars and Mercury are strong, the Arians enjoy good health. Otherwise, they have a sickly constitution, suffer from wounds, headache, mental tension, fevers, short-temperedness, insomnia, diseases of impure blood, bilious diseases, inflammatory disorders, constipation, stammering, etc. Aries is the mooltrikona sign of Mars, and therefore Mars represents the native fully. Aries is a moveable, positive, rajasic, pitta, male, violent, barren and quadruped sign and has strong preferences. Depending on the influences on the ascendant and/or Mars, the sign Aries usually renders their natives independent, adventurous and skilful in what they do, becoming leaders, with initiative, industrious, ambitious, impetuous, fighters, authoritative, brave, courageous, heroic, competitive, energetic, enterprising, mentally clear, visionary and strong-willed or headstrong, argumentative, offensive, impatient, irritable, impulsive and self-centered. If Aries rises as the ascendant, the influence of Saturn turns them towards construction, engineering and makes them entrepreneurs. They earn lot of wealth by persistent efforts. Apart from Rahu and Ketu, Mercury also becomes a functional malefic planet. Mars, the Moon, the Sun, Venus, Jupiter and Saturn are functional benefic planets for Arians. Budhaditya Yoga i.e. combination of the Sun and Mercury signifying extra-ordinary intelligence, does not show positive results for the native. An Arian with deep combust Mercury means that the Sun forms close conjunction with the functional malefic planet, Mercury, and gets afflicted. Such natives have weak digestion, are not sharp and are impulsive. Since Arians are men of deeds, they believe less in Astrology. The Arians excel in the fields governed by the planet or most effective point of a house forming close conjunction or aspect with a strong Mars in the nativity. The transit unfavorable influences are less. The persistent unfavorable influences with long repercussions are only due to the impact of transit Rahu-Ketu forming close conjunction/aspect with weak natal points. Transit unfavorable influences generated by Mercury are short lived as Mercury is a fast moving planet and its conjunction separates in a day or two. The Moon rules the fourth house for Aries ascendant and hence a strong and well-placed Moon bestows comforts of affluent parents, education, property and vehicles. The association of Mars and the Moon creates auspicious results and blesses the native with status in the govt. The association of the Sun with Mars fructifies the impact of intelligence and helps the person in realizing his high ambitions. Venus has its mooltrikona sign in the seventh house and is a functional benefic. Strong Venus blesses the native with a good and beautiful wife and blesses him with taste for pleasure, music and action. They love adventure. Jupiter has its mooltrikona sign in the ninth house which makes these persons practice the principles of religion. It blesses the Arians with divine qualities of kindness, generosity, honesty and protector, whenever Jupiter forms close conjunction with Mars, ascendant and other natal points. Finally, Saturn has its mooltrikona sign in the house of income and fulfillment of desires. This keeps the Arians always on the move, as influence of Saturn without the positive influence of Jupiter keeps the person always on the move to earn more and more and does not allow the native to become content. Arians with the Sun in Virgo, Scorpio or Pisces suffer from disorders of stomach and unhappiness from progeny in case Jupiter, too, is weak. There are tragedies with regard to these significations if the weak Sun, Mars and or Jupiter form close conjunction with the Rahu-Ketu axis. Exalted Sun blesses Arians with sharp intellect, government authority and long-lived father provided Jupiter and Mars are also strong or even well placed in the chart. Exalted Moon blesses them with good status, wealth and executive posts. Exalted Mars blesses them with good professional rise and good health. Exalted and unafflicting Mercury blesses them with good health, sound financial position and good analytical faculties. Exalted Jupiter with strong Moon blesses them with affluent parents, spirituality and fortune. Exalted Venus blesses them with comforts, visits to foreign lands, residence abroad and wealthy and healthy spouse. Exalted Saturn with strong Venus blesses them with good income, highly placed and helpful friends, good relationships and wealthy spouse. Similarly, are to be read the results of the planets when they are in their signs of debilitation causing deterioration in the aspects signified by the weak planets. However, the significations likely to be promoted when the planets are exalted get a setback when the concerned planets are weak. The close affliction of Ketu to a weak Mars makes the native vulnerable to serious health problems if Mercury, too, is weak. The close conjunction/aspect of Ketu to Mercury makes one vulnerable to paralysis and nervous breakdown. The close affliction of Ketu to the Sun causes sufferings on account of progenic matters and marital problems to female natives. The close affliction by Ketu to the Moon robs the native of the mental peace and causes setbacks in property matters. The close affliction of Ketu to Jupiter gives setbacks in life and curtails the longevity of the father. The close affliction of Ketu to Venus causes setbacks in married life, renal problems and the death of wife. The close affliction of Ketu to Saturn causes problems in income, financial gains and health problems pertaining to joints and blood impurities. Favorable colors Yellow, black , all shades of blue, red, pink, orange, golden, white, silver and variegated colors. Favorable stones Diamond, red coral, pearl, yellow sapphire, blue sapphire and ruby. Unfavorable colors Green, steel grey, smoke grey and dull navy blue. Unfavorable stones Emerald, gomedh (hessonite) and cat's eye (lasonia) Weak and afflicted PlanetsEffects MarsWeak health and medium span of life. Moon Obstructions in education, loss of comforts and mental peace, trouble to mother, etc. SunWeak digestion, anaemia, trouble to male progeny. MercuryWeak health, recklessness and impulsiveness. VenusLack of marital happiness. JupiterObstructions to father and prosperity. SaturnDeficient income, diseased bones and nervous system. Depending upon the strength of Mars being prime determinant for profession, the Sun ruling intelligence and being general significator for success in profession and the Moon ruling education, Arians become administrators, sportsmen, civil engineers, advocates, commanders-in-chief, dentists, executives, executioners, gangsters, manufacturers, military and para-military forces, police, project erectors, surgeons, vocations employing fire and metals and involve themselves in adventurous and enterprising pursuits. The influence of other planets on the tenth, first or second houses changes the professional pursuits. Arians are born to command more by force than by persuasion as Mercury, the planet of communication, is a functional malefic for them. Das Goravani <das@g...> Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:50 pm Vedic Astr. Verse SA, Verse KP, etc There have been astrologers from time to time who bring into the market their own systems of how to do astrology. I think this is done mainly because: 1. They personally like astrology, found it, studied it, got into it 2. Developed their own style over time as all do 3. Found they could market their style and make money Driven by the need to make a living, we all do what we can to accomplish that. Sometimes, some persons, who have leadership and business qualities, find that they can make a living as teachers and leaders. They often have to have a unique angle in order to stand out, so they label their approach and go about teaching it. Others go about this without making a new label, such as BV Raman. He didn¹t make a ³Raman² version of astrology, he just talked about Vedic book after book. Krishnamurti made some large departures from standard Vedic, such as using a Western House system, and emphasizing one part of Vedic to the extreme (the nakshatra sublords). The SA approach is not that radical of a departure from Vedic. What it does is teach a simplified approach, with stricter guidelines. The overall mood of SA in my mind is ³Here¹s a handy subset of the rules, easier to memorize, easier to apply, which work well². That¹s it¹s claim. It¹s not a radical departure. It¹s more of a streamlined version. The Sanjay Rath group, their version is very complex, and emphasizes many Jaimini techniques. I suppose there are other groups to comment upong, but I can¹t think of them now. If one is the type mentally that needs rules to follow, SA is not a bad idea. I myself am the opposite. My karma mentally is such that I dislike rules, and I approach based on broad reading, which I let sink in, and then I go with intuition, which is nothing more than the brain using what it has stored subconsciously. I do notice things scientifically as well, such as, my repeated speaking about the efficacy of the equal house madhyas being hit by the transiting lagna as indicators of moments when things will happen in the day. This is called the MEP in SA, a point I happen to agree with only because my daily research has proved it out, but it¹s a standard part of standard Vedic Astrology. It was not invented by myself or VK Choudry. I personally find standard Vedic Astrology of the simplistic type works well. I do not follow rules, and I do not follow SA or KP or anything. I just read all the books, watch things, try things, and have found much reality in Vedic Astrology. To say, as some in SA and KP do, that in general Vedic Astrology with all it¹s books and conflicting rules is a hodgepodge, is an oversimplification, in my opinion. There are many books because many enthusiasts over thousands of years felt compelled to write their findings down, just as the two professors behind KP and SA have found they wish to do so, and their rules now add to the pile of Vedic Astrology rules. When people ask me for good beginner books, I never recommend any specifically. I just tell them: ³Go searching, and see where nature leads you. You will find the books you are supposed to find, and go from there². This is easy for me, and I believe it. Following your heart will lead you to the land of your love. Truth be told! And your gut is literally connected via nerves to your brain. This is why nervousness is felt in the gut, and the brain, and why Seratonin (brain) medications affect digestion intensly- because their reuptake inhibitness affects the seratonin nature of the stomach (true science, cutting edge, don¹t believe me, look it up). So believing your gut, and your heart, is your best guide. These are places where you can feel the truth, YOUR truth. When I see the old books of Jyotish, I am drawn to them in reverrences. If a modern person tells me ³ignore those², and follow my simplified approach, I get a bad feeling. That¹s me. It¹s because I like old things, and standard things, and I want to go through, from the ground up. That¹s me. I liked buying Saravali, Jatakaparijata, and BPHS. I liked reading them. That was my beginning. I¹ve never been out for ³finding out how to read real fast². I was out for the experience of enlightenment. I found it. I found it very much so in the old ones, and in some new ones by some nice sensitive and sincere authors. Then there is VK Choudrys approach, and personality, which works for some. Bravo for them. I for example have a very hard time being around Virgo, as I¹ve mentioned before. It¹s 6th from my lagna, and 8th from my moon. But VERY MANY astrologers and students thereof are VERY virgoan, because that sign is one of the main rulers over books, libraries, study, students, studiousness, exactness, etc. I don¹t have this wavelength in me. I work from a very different set of places. So for them, the simplified, rule driven, approach may be better, more attractive. Again, follow YOUR heart and YOUR gut and find YOUR happy place. We all can. Vedic is HUGE. Vedic is a BIG set of HUGGING ARMS. There¹s room in it for EVERYBODY. One thing about Veda, all the Vedas, is that they are not really India-centric, not Hindu-centric, not anything Centric. This is a bit unique and WONDERFUL. Everyone can find something there, from Kama Sutra to Liberation, from Jyotish to Free Will, from Hell Worship to God Worship. Everything is there. If someone dislikes these statements, sorry, I just personally found everything in the books. Everything. Dark Gods and Spirits, and Light Ones. Belief in total free will, and belief in total pre-destiny, and so on. Well, that¹s enough. Cheers, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 Errata: "to apply it in the domain level" should read "to apply SA in the mundane domain". valist, "Th. Thorgeirsson" <ththor@i...> wrote: > Dear Rick, > > Just a few words to share my viewpoint to your interesting essay. > > First, I appreciate your approach to be open minded about what works in astrology. > > As an Aries, you are something of an exception in the field of astrology. Professor Chouhdry, puts it this way "Since Arians are men of deeds, they believe less in Astrology." That said, I think it is your strong Jupiter that makes you the exceptional Aries, interested in both religion and astrology. However, even then the tendency is for finding an outlet for activity, such as developing a great software package, which is good for the rest of us. So, you find some happy balance between the need to engage in the outer field of action, while retaining an inner realm of meaning. You have made a business out of your astrology and religious interest. > > Likewise, has developed his system to accurately read charts, to pinpoint the karma and offer astral remedies. I find that it works really well at the individual level. I have now spent around five years to apply it in the domain level and find the going more tough there, but there are breakthroughs along the way. > > Second, regarding the choice of type of astrology, I think for most people it it a question of what works for them that it is really all about. I came to jyotish from western in the mid 1980s because I was tired of the seeming endless array of possible interpretations and the lack of predictive consistency and accuracy. Jyotish seemed to offer much more systematicity for interpreting the chart and predicting events, past, present and future. Even then, over the span of one decade of studying vedic, I again felt submerged in too many alternatives. I even dropped out of jyotish for a few years. In 1998, I then stumbled on SA and became impressed with its analytic simplicity and reproducibility of predictive result. I don´t think it has anything special to do with the fact that I am a Virgo native. In fact, I find SA attracts all ascendants, in as much as there is an interest in astrology to begin with. Moreover, I find SA is being undersold, when it is claimed to be just a simplified version of jyotish. It is every bit as rich as Jyotish can hope to be even if it has been made internally consistent. > > That said, whatever seems to work for others is what matters. Ultimately, we can and must follow that which resonates with our own understanding. I just think those having discovered SA are lucky to have found a comprehensible, comprehensive and reproducible system of astrology. > > Cheers, > > Thor > > > > Aries Ascendant > Aries is a fiery sign ruled by Mars, the significator of energy. The Sun, the significator of vitality, is exalted in this sign. Saturn, the planet of lethargy, becomes debilitated in this sign. These factors render the Arians most active, strong, aggressive and healthy in case Mars is strong. If Aries rises as the ascendant, the Ishta Devata would be mother divine, Goddess Durga. Worshipping the Ishta Devata would help in spiritual evolution and in maintaining mental peace. This sign rules head (cranium and forehead) and brain. If Mars and Mercury are strong, the Arians enjoy good health. Otherwise, they have a sickly constitution, suffer from wounds, headache, mental tension, fevers, short-temperedness, insomnia, diseases of impure blood, bilious diseases, inflammatory disorders, constipation, stammering, etc. Aries is the mooltrikona sign of Mars, and therefore Mars represents the native fully. > > Aries is a moveable, positive, rajasic, pitta, male, violent, barren and quadruped sign and has strong preferences. Depending on the influences on the ascendant and/or Mars, the sign Aries usually renders their natives independent, adventurous and skilful in what they do, becoming leaders, with initiative, industrious, ambitious, impetuous, fighters, authoritative, brave, courageous, heroic, competitive, energetic, enterprising, mentally clear, visionary and strong-willed or headstrong, argumentative, offensive, impatient, irritable, impulsive and self-centered. If Aries rises as the ascendant, the influence of Saturn turns them towards construction, engineering and makes them entrepreneurs. They earn lot of wealth by persistent efforts. > > Apart from Rahu and Ketu, Mercury also becomes a functional malefic planet. Mars, the Moon, the Sun, Venus, Jupiter and Saturn are functional benefic planets for Arians. Budhaditya Yoga i.e. combination of the Sun and Mercury signifying extra-ordinary intelligence, does not show positive results for the native. An Arian with deep combust Mercury means that the Sun forms close conjunction with the functional malefic planet, Mercury, and gets afflicted. Such natives have weak digestion, are not sharp and are impulsive. Since Arians are men of deeds, they believe less in Astrology. The Arians excel in the fields governed by the planet or most effective point of a house forming close conjunction or aspect with a strong Mars in the nativity. The transit unfavorable influences are less. The persistent unfavorable influences with long repercussions are only due to the impact of transit Rahu-Ketu forming close conjunction/aspect with weak natal points. Transit unfavorable influences generated by Mercury are short lived as Mercury is a fast moving planet and its conjunction separates in a day or two. > > The Moon rules the fourth house for Aries ascendant and hence a strong and well-placed Moon bestows comforts of affluent parents, education, property and vehicles. The association of Mars and the Moon creates auspicious results and blesses the native with status in the govt. The association of the Sun with Mars fructifies the impact of intelligence and helps the person in realizing his high ambitions. > > Venus has its mooltrikona sign in the seventh house and is a functional benefic. Strong Venus blesses the native with a good and beautiful wife and blesses him with taste for pleasure, music and action. They love adventure. Jupiter has its mooltrikona sign in the ninth house which makes these persons practice the principles of religion. It blesses the Arians with divine qualities of kindness, generosity, honesty and protector, whenever Jupiter forms close conjunction with Mars, ascendant and other natal points. Finally, Saturn has its mooltrikona sign in the house of income and fulfillment of desires. This keeps the Arians always on the move, as influence of Saturn without the positive influence of Jupiter keeps the person always on the move to earn more and more and does not allow the native to become content. Arians with the Sun in Virgo, Scorpio or Pisces suffer from disorders of stomach and unhappiness from progeny in case Jupiter, too, is weak. There are tragedies with regard to these significations if the weak Sun, Mars and or Jupiter form close conjunction with the Rahu-Ketu axis. > > Exalted Sun blesses Arians with sharp intellect, government authority and long-lived father provided Jupiter and Mars are also strong or even well placed in the chart. Exalted Moon blesses them with good status, wealth and executive posts. Exalted Mars blesses them with good professional rise and good health. Exalted and unafflicting Mercury blesses them with good health, sound financial position and good analytical faculties. Exalted Jupiter with strong Moon blesses them with affluent parents, spirituality and fortune. Exalted Venus blesses them with comforts, visits to foreign lands, residence abroad and wealthy and healthy spouse. Exalted Saturn with strong Venus blesses them with good income, highly placed and helpful friends, good relationships and wealthy spouse. Similarly, are to be read the results of the planets when they are in their signs of debilitation causing deterioration in the aspects signified by the weak planets. However, the significations likely to be promoted when the planets are exalted get a setback when the concerned planets are weak. > > The close affliction of Ketu to a weak Mars makes the native vulnerable to serious health problems if Mercury, too, is weak. The close conjunction/aspect of Ketu to Mercury makes one vulnerable to paralysis and nervous breakdown. The close affliction of Ketu to the Sun causes sufferings on account of progenic matters and marital problems to female natives. The close affliction by Ketu to the Moon robs the native of the mental peace and causes setbacks in property matters. The close affliction of Ketu to Jupiter gives setbacks in life and curtails the longevity of the father. The close affliction of Ketu to Venus causes setbacks in married life, renal problems and the death of wife. The close affliction of Ketu to Saturn causes problems in income, financial gains and health problems pertaining to joints and blood impurities. > > > Favorable colors > Yellow, black , all shades of blue, red, pink, orange, golden, white, silver and variegated colors. > Favorable stones > Diamond, red coral, pearl, yellow sapphire, blue sapphire and ruby. > Unfavorable colors > Green, steel grey, smoke grey and dull navy blue. > Unfavorable stones > Emerald, gomedh (hessonite) and cat's eye (lasonia) > Weak and afflicted PlanetsEffects > MarsWeak health and medium span of life. > Moon Obstructions in education, loss of comforts and mental peace, trouble to mother, etc. > SunWeak digestion, anaemia, trouble to male progeny. > MercuryWeak health, recklessness and impulsiveness. > VenusLack of marital happiness. > JupiterObstructions to father and prosperity. > SaturnDeficient income, diseased bones and nervous system. > > Depending upon the strength of Mars being prime determinant for profession, the Sun ruling intelligence and being general significator for success in profession and the Moon ruling education, Arians become administrators, sportsmen, civil engineers, advocates, commanders-in-chief, dentists, executives, executioners, gangsters, manufacturers, military and para-military forces, police, project erectors, surgeons, vocations employing fire and metals and involve themselves in adventurous and enterprising pursuits. The influence of other planets on the tenth, first or second houses changes the professional pursuits. Arians are born to command more by force than by persuasion as Mercury, the planet of communication, is a functional malefic for them. > > Das Goravani <das@g...> > Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:50 pm > Vedic Astr. Verse SA, Verse KP, etc > > > > > There have been astrologers from time to time who bring into the market > their own systems of how to do astrology. I think this is done mainly > because: > > 1. They personally like astrology, found it, studied it, got into it > 2. Developed their own style over time as all do > 3. Found they could market their style and make money > > Driven by the need to make a living, we all do what we can to accomplish > that. > > Sometimes, some persons, who have leadership and business qualities, find > that they can make a living as teachers and leaders. They often have to have > a unique angle in order to stand out, so they label their approach and go > about teaching it. > > Others go about this without making a new label, such as BV Raman. He didn¹t > make a ³Raman² version of astrology, he just talked about Vedic book after > book. > > Krishnamurti made some large departures from standard Vedic, such as using a > Western House system, and emphasizing one part of Vedic to the extreme (the > nakshatra sublords). > > The SA approach is not that radical of a departure from Vedic. What it does > is teach a simplified approach, with stricter guidelines. The overall mood > of SA in my mind is ³Here¹s a handy subset of the rules, easier to memorize, > easier to apply, which work well². That¹s it¹s claim. It¹s not a radical > departure. It¹s more of a streamlined version. > > The Sanjay Rath group, their version is very complex, and emphasizes many > Jaimini techniques. I suppose there are other groups to comment upong, but I > can¹t think of them now. > > If one is the type mentally that needs rules to follow, SA is not a bad > idea. I myself am the opposite. My karma mentally is such that I dislike > rules, and I approach based on broad reading, which I let sink in, and then > I go with intuition, which is nothing more than the brain using what it has > stored subconsciously. I do notice things scientifically as well, such as, > my repeated speaking about the efficacy of the equal house madhyas being hit > by the transiting lagna as indicators of moments when things will happen in > the day. This is called the MEP in SA, a point I happen to agree with only > because my daily research has proved it out, but it¹s a standard part of > standard Vedic Astrology. It was not invented by myself or VK Choudry. > > I personally find standard Vedic Astrology of the simplistic type works > well. I do not follow rules, and I do not follow SA or KP or anything. I > just read all the books, watch things, try things, and have found much > reality in Vedic Astrology. > > To say, as some in SA and KP do, that in general Vedic Astrology with all > it¹s books and conflicting rules is a hodgepodge, is an oversimplification, > in my opinion. There are many books because many enthusiasts over thousands > of years felt compelled to write their findings down, just as the two > professors behind KP and SA have found they wish to do so, and their rules > now add to the pile of Vedic Astrology rules. > > When people ask me for good beginner books, I never recommend any > specifically. I just tell them: > > ³Go searching, and see where nature leads you. You will find the books you > are supposed to find, and go from there². > > This is easy for me, and I believe it. > > Following your heart will lead you to the land of your love. Truth be told! > > And your gut is literally connected via nerves to your brain. This is why > nervousness is felt in the gut, and the brain, and why Seratonin (brain) > medications affect digestion intensly- because their reuptake inhibitness > affects the seratonin nature of the stomach (true science, cutting edge, > don¹t believe me, look it up). > > So believing your gut, and your heart, is your best guide. These are places > where you can feel the truth, YOUR truth. > > When I see the old books of Jyotish, I am drawn to them in reverrences. If a > modern person tells me ³ignore those², and follow my simplified approach, I > get a bad feeling. That¹s me. It¹s because I like old things, and standard > things, and I want to go through, from the ground up. That¹s me. I liked > buying Saravali, Jatakaparijata, and BPHS. I liked reading them. That was > my beginning. > > I¹ve never been out for ³finding out how to read real fast². I was out for > the experience of enlightenment. I found it. I found it very much so in > the old ones, and in some new ones by some nice sensitive and sincere > authors. > > Then there is VK Choudrys approach, and personality, which works for some. > Bravo for them. > > I for example have a very hard time being around Virgo, as I¹ve mentioned > before. It¹s 6th from my lagna, and 8th from my moon. > > But VERY MANY astrologers and students thereof are VERY virgoan, because > that sign is one of the main rulers over books, libraries, study, students, > studiousness, exactness, etc. I don¹t have this wavelength in me. I work > from a very different set of places. > > So for them, the simplified, rule driven, approach may be better, more > attractive. Again, follow YOUR heart and YOUR gut and find YOUR happy > place. We all can. Vedic is HUGE. Vedic is a BIG set of HUGGING ARMS. > There¹s room in it for EVERYBODY. > > One thing about Veda, all the Vedas, is that they are not really > India-centric, not Hindu-centric, not anything Centric. This is a bit > unique and WONDERFUL. Everyone can find something there, from Kama Sutra to > Liberation, from Jyotish to Free Will, from Hell Worship to God Worship. > Everything is there. If someone dislikes these statements, sorry, I just > personally found everything in the books. Everything. Dark Gods and > Spirits, and Light Ones. Belief in total free will, and belief in total > pre-destiny, and so on. > > Well, that¹s enough. > > Cheers, > > Rick > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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