Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 JR; No, not really. It was merely an invitation to those who claim certainty that "the Bush regime is indeed corrupt and brutal" to consider that the brutality may be a requirement of the times and of the maturing of karmas and Bush is merely obeying his dharma. The way a dentist hurts a petient whose rot in the tooth has advanced to the point of requiring a painful and brutal drilling, scraping, injecting or even extracting procedure…What's the point in hating the dentist? Your dharma may very well be to oppose Bush, in which case you and him both, may be doing "God's work." But, what I'm suggesting, is to consider the possibility that we may have allowed ourselves to be propagandized into a trance where we believe that we can actually calculate what is right and wrong with precision and certainty. In other words, I agree with your statement that not everyone's dharma is to take part in our president's games, or that some dharmas are destined to stand in opposition…but you stretch beyond what is reasonable when you make a sweeping claim that the "Bush regime is corrupt and brutal." Says who? Where is the proof? Can there even be proof? That is merely an opinion of yours. For the same money, I couldn't say that the Bush regime is NOT corrupt and brutal. The simpe fact is, we don't really know. That's what I suggest we try to remember. Jola In a message dated 11/10/04 11:15:58 AM, Aikido 108 writes: << On Nov 8, 2004, at 2:35 AM, private wrote: > Yes Christopher Kevil makes interesting posts.. and > > "If Bush was indeed chosen to complete the destiny for the nation, > why not be > supportive of it? His chart seems to indicate thatâ "as do a few > other details," > > > Yes his chart is supportive of such a claim. In the discussions of dharma and the nation one would get the impression that everyones dharma in America is to take part in our president's games. For some it might be to stand in opposition to a corrupt and brutal regime. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 We know or don't know how corrupt the Bush regime is or is not in proportion to the quality of the information we receive. That said, there is information available from diverse sources that, while not conclusive, points to a greedy regime running things. How is it different than the past or that of the Democrats? Good question. Our whole governmental thrust seems almost feudal at times, in my opinion. On a meta- level, it seems safe to say that we have a regime currently that is very self-protective in its information management. This could be mainly due to wartime/ terrorism caution. Draw your own conclusions on what the secrecy points to. But please, please, please do look into it. Don't knee jerk defend OR attack. Sometimes the paranoid is merely the one who knows too well what is going on at all times. On the other hand, sometimes the truth to be known is stranger and more "keystone- cops" absurd. But in most cases, lack of self knowledge is a dangerous ill when you bring in the issue of scale. The government is us? Maybe. I assume you have read "1984." I wonder if you notice any connections to the present. Respectfully, David valist, Aikido108@a... wrote: > JR; > No, not really. It was merely an invitation to those who claim certainty that > "the Bush regime is indeed corrupt and brutal" to consider that the brutality > may be a requirement of the times and of the maturing of karmas and Bush is > merely obeying his dharma. The way a dentist hurts a petient whose rot in the > tooth has advanced to the point of requiring a painful and brutal drilling, > scraping, injecting or even extracting procedure…What's the point in hating the > dentist? > > Your dharma may very well be to oppose Bush, in which case you and him both, > may be doing "God's work." But, what I'm suggesting, is to consider the > possibility that we may have allowed ourselves to be propagandized into a trance > where we believe that we can actually calculate what is right and wrong with > precision and certainty. In other words, I agree with your statement that not > everyone's dharma is to take part in our president's games, or that some dharmas > are destined to stand in opposition…but you stretch beyond what is reasonable > when you make a sweeping claim that the "Bush regime is corrupt and brutal." > Says who? Where is the proof? Can there even be proof? That is merely an opinion > of yours. For the same money, I couldn't say that the Bush regime is NOT > corrupt and brutal. The simpe fact is, we don't really know. That's what I suggest > we try to remember. > > Jola > > In a message dated 11/10/04 11:15:58 AM, Aikido 108 writes: > > << On Nov 8, 2004, at 2:35 AM, private wrote: > > > > Yes Christopher Kevil makes interesting posts.. and > > > > > > "If Bush was indeed chosen to complete the destiny for the nation, > > > why not be > > > supportive of it? His chart seems to indicate thatâ "as do a few > > > other details," > > > > > > > > > Yes his chart is supportive of such a claim. > > > In the discussions of dharma and the nation one would get the > > impression that everyones dharma in America is to take part in our > > president's games. For some it might be to stand in opposition to a > > corrupt and brutal regime. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 On Nov 11, 2004, at 1:46 PM, Aikido108 wrote: > Says who? Where is the proof? Can there even be proof? That is merely > an opinion > of yours. For the same money, I couldn't say that the Bush regime is > NOT > corrupt and brutal. The simpe fact is, we don't really know. That's > what I suggest > we try to remember. You are correct that this is my opinion. It is drawn on the evidence available to the public, my life experiences and my intuition. That is all I have to go on. I am not claiming that there is an absolute truth to anything. I am not arguing that Bush might not be cashing in on some collective karmic debt for the people of Iraq. I am also not making the case that we are not instruments of higher forces and laws. However if I were to drop a bomb on your home killing your family over fictitious reasons I would qualify to most folks as brutal & misguided. I would also be the one bearing the karmic debt for that action whether or not I was inclined to do so by my past karmas or the karmas of my community/nation/world. Your argument seeks to eliminate personal responsibility using the law of karma, yet the law of karma effects us each individually based on our actions as well as others. Karma is also not as deterministic as you describe. There are different levels of entrenchment in our past Karmas so to speak. Some results are fixed and unchangeable, some can be overcome with great adversity, some with little and some areas are a relatively clean slate. If you are to ignore this you are also shooting down the possibility that we can grow or change or make use of remedies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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