Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 I live in a room filled with the fineries of knowledge of two traditions akin, Vedic and Druidic. I love the room and objects. I love my ancestors and teachers. I feel blessed in the realm of awareness and knowledge. But it separates me from common people, and since ladies oft are simpler, then separates me all the more from it does. Yet the companionship and touch of one of them on live-with basis I¹ve sought in vain for years, and the pain of that missing part of life grows and stays. Pain of lonliness my constant companion. So bad it is that it¹s been said of me that I have ³Borderline Personality Disorder². That means those who ³feel a constant inability to be alone². Yes, it hurts. Today it has swolen up again tremendously. Crippling, completely, arched over, again, wishing, for village, for lover, for companionship, when they isn¹t that, for me, at this time. Just going on, constantly, the desk of work is in the living room, producing, trying to anyway, the tools for other brahmins, druids, seers. Trying to perform there, to survive really, in the financial world through this high work, that these commoners have no awareness of at all. Separate, better, yes, better, higher, than them, but that creates aloneness. The aloneness of the knower. If I live in acceptance of nothingness, death, really, for real, then I am ok. If I want at all, I¹m not. But I do want, a spouse, so I live in constant pain. And today it is intense. So I write to my only friend, this impersonal VALIST, which has learned mostly to ignore these cryings of mine. Now to take a lot of calming herbs, curl up in ignorance of the situation, and wait it out, like a passing storm. Oh the cruelty of this calling to knowledge and higher standards. But I dod chose it, over the ignorance of the common understanding. Das Goravani, Pres. Service http://www.dancingmooninc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Dear Das, I am writing to you through this list if you find it a better feeling to talk to me like this. Yes, ladies are simple in thinking. They will not understand the SIMPLE things of karma, astrology, hinduism etc. But they are easy to us, and simple. But ladies, and actually MOST of the PEOPLE and TEENS and YOUNG PEOPLE will not understand them. Basically it is not that they fail to understand, but it is their LACK OF INTEREST and ATTENTION to it and to what you say about it that makes them unable to understand it. Simply like when a friend of me buys a new PC, and I try to teach something simple about it, even before trying to understand it, he starts saying, "Oh C'mon... I can not do all these!" This is because they never try to understand or pay much attention to it. For they are not interested in this. My vision is very spiritual and very similar to yours. As an example, when some discussions go on about talent and doing good in life (Or something like this), I actually end up saying, "Well it is all destiny and nothing is at our hands..." because I just see it and see the life behaves as per it, so I can not really stop talking this way. I talk this way. I view this way. But I am also very jolly, funny, interesting. All find me interesting, a good fellow to pass time etc. (Say my cousins, friends etc etc) This is because even though my exalted Sat being 5L and exalted 8L give me spirituality, the strong Ve joining Merc the Asc lord gives funny and interesting nature. All find me humourous, they enjoy what I say, enjoy to be with me etc etc. I am not praising myself, but telling all these just to tell you something more... And what is real, that is, I find myself much interesting that I can not find much like me around. However, I know a lot of BORING FELLOW who are really boring but have GREAT GROUP OF FELLOW and pass nice time with people. I see some people are not talented but do good in studies, career and life. I see some people being boring but having good companies from others, and never lonely. Most important about your post, I see much guys with no face, no abilities, hanging with girls and ladies one after another. And I am sure you know this is the truth and you see such examples as well. This is all the karma, all destiny. We all do nothing. We just experience. My 8L exalted, and strong 8th lord is absolutely against of communication, is about loneliness. And most important here, it is against of partying, socialization, hanging with people, general enjoyment etc etc. It obstructs your enjoyment in religious functions, parties, social gathering etc etc this way or that way. Either the person does not want, or does not get. It is about pains, sufferings, loneliness etc. So with an exalted 8th lord, I generally do not get in to much partyiung. Then the natural 8L Sani is again strong, exalted. However Ve joining Asc lord and being strong saves me a lot. I generally, as I said, do not get in to much partying and socializations, and fortunately I do not miss it. EID is our biggest religious festival, and I generally pass all the EIDs very simple and quite boring. Similarly not much partying on other ocassions etc. Similarly 6th lord also oppose the enjoyments. In my experience it also obstructs watching movies and listening to songs, watching TVs etc. Well one might do SOME, but weaker 6L provides lots of listening to musics, movies, latest mucics and movies etc etc. With stronger 6L and saved by Ve, I do musics and movies, but less and selected only. Esp I often miss movies, most of the times lacking in time, and when I borrow from clubs, I copy them in to PC and can not watch for some months, or they give me disturbs etc. I have found greater success with mantras to alleviate these probs. Otherwise, the destiny would not change, and surrendering to the karma is the only way. Regards Tanvir. valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote: > > I live in a room filled with the fineries of knowledge of two traditions > akin, Vedic and Druidic. I love the room and objects. I love my ancestors > and teachers. I feel blessed in the realm of awareness and knowledge. > > But it separates me from common people, and since ladies oft are simpler, > then separates me all the more from it does. > > Yet the companionship and touch of one of them on live-with basis I¹ve > sought in vain for years, and the pain of that missing part of life grows > and stays. Pain of lonliness my constant companion. > > So bad it is that it¹s been said of me that I have ³Borderline Personality > Disorder². That means those who ³feel a constant inability to be alone². > Yes, it hurts. Today it has swolen up again tremendously. Crippling, > completely, arched over, again, wishing, for village, for lover, for > companionship, when they isn¹t that, for me, at this time. > > Just going on, constantly, the desk of work is in the living room, > producing, trying to anyway, the tools for other brahmins, druids, seers. > Trying to perform there, to survive really, in the financial world through > this high work, that these commoners have no awareness of at all. > > Separate, better, yes, better, higher, than them, but that creates > aloneness. > > The aloneness of the knower. > > If I live in acceptance of nothingness, death, really, for real, then I am > ok. If I want at all, I¹m not. But I do want, a spouse, so I live in > constant pain. > > And today it is intense. So I write to my only friend, this impersonal > VALIST, which has learned mostly to ignore these cryings of mine. > > Now to take a lot of calming herbs, curl up in ignorance of the situation, > and wait it out, like a passing storm. Oh the cruelty of this calling to > knowledge and higher standards. But I dod chose it, over the ignorance of > the common understanding. > > > > Das Goravani, Pres. > > > > > Service@D... > > > > > > http://www.dancingmooninc.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Dear Mr Chowdury, Prey forgive me, but it looks to me that you are the one that is simple in thinking. with all respect Lady Cameron On Nov 15, 2004, at 15:23, Tanvir Chowdhury wrote: > > > Dear Das, > > I am writing to you through this list if you find it a better feeling > to talk to me like this. > > Yes, ladies are simple in thinking. They will not understand the > SIMPLE things of karma, astrology, hinduism etc. But they are easy to > us, and simple. But ladies, and actually MOST of the PEOPLE and TEENS > and YOUNG PEOPLE will not understand them. Basically it is not that > they fail to understand, but it is their LACK OF INTEREST and > ATTENTION to it and to what you say about it that makes them unable > to understand it. Simply like when a friend of me buys a new PC, and > I try to teach something simple about it, even before trying to > understand it, he starts saying, "Oh C'mon... I can not do all these!" > > This is because they never try to understand or pay much attention to > it. For they are not interested in this. > > My vision is very spiritual and very similar to yours. As an example, > when some discussions go on about talent and doing good in life (Or > something like this), I actually end up saying, "Well it is all > destiny and nothing is at our hands..." because I just see it and see > the life behaves as per it, so I can not really stop talking this way. > > I talk this way. I view this way. But I am also very jolly, funny, > interesting. All find me interesting, a good fellow to pass time etc. > (Say my cousins, friends etc etc) This is because even though my > exalted Sat being 5L and exalted 8L give me spirituality, the strong > Ve joining Merc the Asc lord gives funny and interesting nature. All > find me humourous, they enjoy what I say, enjoy to be with me etc > etc. I am not praising myself, but telling all these just to tell you > something more... > > And what is real, that is, I find myself much interesting that I can > not find much like me around. However, I know a lot of BORING FELLOW > who are really boring but have GREAT GROUP OF FELLOW and pass nice > time with people. I see some people are not talented but do good in > studies, career and life. I see some people being boring but having > good companies from others, and never lonely. Most important about > your post, I see much guys with no face, no abilities, hanging with > girls and ladies one after another. And I am sure you know this is > the truth and you see such examples as well. > > This is all the karma, all destiny. We all do nothing. We just > experience. > > My 8L exalted, and strong 8th lord is absolutely against of > communication, is about loneliness. And most important here, it is > against of partying, socialization, hanging with people, general > enjoyment etc etc. It obstructs your enjoyment in religious > functions, parties, social gathering etc etc this way or that way. > Either the person does not want, or does not get. It is about pains, > sufferings, loneliness etc. > > So with an exalted 8th lord, I generally do not get in to much > partyiung. Then the natural 8L Sani is again strong, exalted. However > Ve joining Asc lord and being strong saves me a lot. > > I generally, as I said, do not get in to much partying and > socializations, and fortunately I do not miss it. EID is our biggest > religious festival, and I generally pass all the EIDs very simple and > quite boring. Similarly not much partying on other ocassions etc. > > Similarly 6th lord also oppose the enjoyments. In my experience it > also obstructs watching movies and listening to songs, watching TVs > etc. Well one might do SOME, but weaker 6L provides lots of listening > to musics, movies, latest mucics and movies etc etc. With stronger 6L > and saved by Ve, I do musics and movies, but less and selected only. > Esp I often miss movies, most of the times lacking in time, and when > I borrow from clubs, I copy them in to PC and can not watch for some > months, or they give me disturbs etc. > > I have found greater success with mantras to alleviate these probs. > Otherwise, the destiny would not change, and surrendering to the > karma is the only way. > > Regards > Tanvir. > > > valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote: >> >> I live in a room filled with the fineries of knowledge of two > traditions >> akin, Vedic and Druidic. I love the room and objects. I love my > ancestors >> and teachers. I feel blessed in the realm of awareness and > knowledge. >> >> But it separates me from common people, and since ladies oft are > simpler, >> then separates me all the more from it does. >> >> Yet the companionship and touch of one of them on live-with basis > I¹ve >> sought in vain for years, and the pain of that missing part of life > grows >> and stays. Pain of lonliness my constant companion. >> >> So bad it is that it¹s been said of me that I have ³Borderline > Personality >> Disorder². That means those who ³feel a constant inability to be > alone². >> Yes, it hurts. Today it has swolen up again tremendously. Crippling, >> completely, arched over, again, wishing, for village, for lover, for >> companionship, when they isn¹t that, for me, at this time. >> >> Just going on, constantly, the desk of work is in the living room, >> producing, trying to anyway, the tools for other brahmins, druids, > seers. >> Trying to perform there, to survive really, in the financial world > through >> this high work, that these commoners have no awareness of at all. >> >> Separate, better, yes, better, higher, than them, but that creates >> aloneness. >> >> The aloneness of the knower. >> >> If I live in acceptance of nothingness, death, really, for real, > then I am >> ok. If I want at all, I¹m not. But I do want, a spouse, so I live in >> constant pain. >> >> And today it is intense. So I write to my only friend, this > impersonal >> VALIST, which has learned mostly to ignore these cryings of mine. >> >> Now to take a lot of calming herbs, curl up in ignorance of the > situation, >> and wait it out, like a passing storm. Oh the cruelty of this > calling to >> knowledge and higher standards. But I dod chose it, over the > ignorance of >> the common understanding. >> >> >> >> Das Goravani, Pres. >> >> >> >> >> Service@D... >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.dancingmooninc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Hello Lady Cameron, Thank you for stating this point of view. I am still trying to find the words to speak as I am still in a state of shock & disbelief !! Since I am apparently lost in the dark ages...it may take many hundred more years to find them. But hopefully when I do, the respect that I lost will be there too :-) Robin... christiane cameron <christianecameron wrote: Dear Mr Chowdury, Prey forgive me, but it looks to me that you are the one that is simple in thinking. with all respect Lady Cameron On Nov 15, 2004, at 15:23, Tanvir Chowdhury wrote: > > > Dear Das, > > I am writing to you through this list if you find it a better feeling > to talk to me like this. > > Yes, ladies are simple in thinking. They will not understand the > SIMPLE things of karma, astrology, hinduism etc. But they are easy to > us, and simple. But ladies, and actually MOST of the PEOPLE and TEENS > and YOUNG PEOPLE will not understand them. Basically it is not that > they fail to understand, but it is their LACK OF INTEREST and > ATTENTION to it and to what you say about it that makes them unable > to understand it. Simply like when a friend of me buys a new PC, and > I try to teach something simple about it, even before trying to > understand it, he starts saying, "Oh C'mon... I can not do all these!" > > This is because they never try to understand or pay much attention to > it. For they are not interested in this. > > My vision is very spiritual and very similar to yours. As an example, > when some discussions go on about talent and doing good in life (Or > something like this), I actually end up saying, "Well it is all > destiny and nothing is at our hands..." because I just see it and see > the life behaves as per it, so I can not really stop talking this way. > > I talk this way. I view this way. But I am also very jolly, funny, > interesting. All find me interesting, a good fellow to pass time etc. > (Say my cousins, friends etc etc) This is because even though my > exalted Sat being 5L and exalted 8L give me spirituality, the strong > Ve joining Merc the Asc lord gives funny and interesting nature. All > find me humourous, they enjoy what I say, enjoy to be with me etc > etc. I am not praising myself, but telling all these just to tell you > something more... > > And what is real, that is, I find myself much interesting that I can > not find much like me around. However, I know a lot of BORING FELLOW > who are really boring but have GREAT GROUP OF FELLOW and pass nice > time with people. I see some people are not talented but do good in > studies, career and life. I see some people being boring but having > good companies from others, and never lonely. Most important about > your post, I see much guys with no face, no abilities, hanging with > girls and ladies one after another. And I am sure you know this is > the truth and you see such examples as well. > > This is all the karma, all destiny. We all do nothing. We just > experience. > > My 8L exalted, and strong 8th lord is absolutely against of > communication, is about loneliness. And most important here, it is > against of partying, socialization, hanging with people, general > enjoyment etc etc. It obstructs your enjoyment in religious > functions, parties, social gathering etc etc this way or that way. > Either the person does not want, or does not get. It is about pains, > sufferings, loneliness etc. > > So with an exalted 8th lord, I generally do not get in to much > partyiung. Then the natural 8L Sani is again strong, exalted. However > Ve joining Asc lord and being strong saves me a lot. > > I generally, as I said, do not get in to much partying and > socializations, and fortunately I do not miss it. EID is our biggest > religious festival, and I generally pass all the EIDs very simple and > quite boring. Similarly not much partying on other ocassions etc. > > Similarly 6th lord also oppose the enjoyments. In my experience it > also obstructs watching movies and listening to songs, watching TVs > etc. Well one might do SOME, but weaker 6L provides lots of listening > to musics, movies, latest mucics and movies etc etc. With stronger 6L > and saved by Ve, I do musics and movies, but less and selected only. > Esp I often miss movies, most of the times lacking in time, and when > I borrow from clubs, I copy them in to PC and can not watch for some > months, or they give me disturbs etc. > > I have found greater success with mantras to alleviate these probs. > Otherwise, the destiny would not change, and surrendering to the > karma is the only way. > > Regards > Tanvir. > > > valist, Das Goravani wrote: >> >> I live in a room filled with the fineries of knowledge of two > traditions >> akin, Vedic and Druidic. I love the room and objects. I love my > ancestors >> and teachers. I feel blessed in the realm of awareness and > knowledge. >> >> But it separates me from common people, and since ladies oft are > simpler, >> then separates me all the more from it does. >> >> Yet the companionship and touch of one of them on live-with basis > I¹ve >> sought in vain for years, and the pain of that missing part of life > grows >> and stays. Pain of lonliness my constant companion. >> >> So bad it is that it¹s been said of me that I have ³Borderline > Personality >> Disorder². That means those who ³feel a constant inability to be > alone². >> Yes, it hurts. Today it has swolen up again tremendously. Crippling, >> completely, arched over, again, wishing, for village, for lover, for >> companionship, when they isn¹t that, for me, at this time. >> >> Just going on, constantly, the desk of work is in the living room, >> producing, trying to anyway, the tools for other brahmins, druids, > seers. >> Trying to perform there, to survive really, in the financial world > through >> this high work, that these commoners have no awareness of at all. >> >> Separate, better, yes, better, higher, than them, but that creates >> aloneness. >> >> The aloneness of the knower. >> >> If I live in acceptance of nothingness, death, really, for real, > then I am >> ok. If I want at all, I¹m not. But I do want, a spouse, so I live in >> constant pain. >> >> And today it is intense. So I write to my only friend, this > impersonal >> VALIST, which has learned mostly to ignore these cryings of mine. >> >> Now to take a lot of calming herbs, curl up in ignorance of the > situation, >> and wait it out, like a passing storm. Oh the cruelty of this > calling to >> knowledge and higher standards. But I dod chose it, over the > ignorance of >> the common understanding. >> >> >> >> Das Goravani, Pres. >> >> >> >> >> Service@D... >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.dancingmooninc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Meet the all-new My – Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 And this lady is simply appalled. Trish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Dear Lady Cameron, Robin, Trish ....am also in shock and appalled....re-read Mr. Chawdury's post to see if "maybe" I could have possibly (in my simplicity) taken it out of context...but sadly no...it is as it is...quite literally so... Lady Fran valist, "Seems Like A Thousand Days...." < veiledpaperdoll> wrote: > Hello Lady Cameron, > Thank you for stating this point of view. I am still trying to find the words to speak as I am still in a state of shock & disbelief !! Since I am apparently lost in the dark ages...it may take many hundred more years to find them. But hopefully when I do, the respect that I lost will be there too :-) > Robin... > > christiane cameron <christianecameron@m...> wrote: > > Dear Mr Chowdury, > > Prey forgive me, but it looks to me that you are the one that is simple > in thinking. > > with all respect > > Lady Cameron > > > On Nov 15, 2004, at 15:23, Tanvir Chowdhury wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Das, > > > > I am writing to you through this list if you find it a better feeling > > to talk to me like this. > > > > Yes, ladies are simple in thinking. They will not understand the > > SIMPLE things of karma, astrology, hinduism etc. But they are easy to > > us, and simple. But ladies, and actually MOST of the PEOPLE and TEENS > > and YOUNG PEOPLE will not understand them. Basically it is not that > > they fail to understand, but it is their LACK OF INTEREST and > > ATTENTION to it and to what you say about it that makes them unable > > to understand it. Simply like when a friend of me buys a new PC, and > > I try to teach something simple about it, even before trying to > > understand it, he starts saying, "Oh C'mon... I can not do all these!" > > > > This is because they never try to understand or pay much attention to > > it. For they are not interested in this. > > > > My vision is very spiritual and very similar to yours. As an example, > > when some discussions go on about talent and doing good in life (Or > > something like this), I actually end up saying, "Well it is all > > destiny and nothing is at our hands..." because I just see it and see > > the life behaves as per it, so I can not really stop talking this way. > > > > I talk this way. I view this way. But I am also very jolly, funny, > > interesting. All find me interesting, a good fellow to pass time etc. > > (Say my cousins, friends etc etc) This is because even though my > > exalted Sat being 5L and exalted 8L give me spirituality, the strong > > Ve joining Merc the Asc lord gives funny and interesting nature. All > > find me humourous, they enjoy what I say, enjoy to be with me etc > > etc. I am not praising myself, but telling all these just to tell you > > something more... > > > > And what is real, that is, I find myself much interesting that I can > > not find much like me around. However, I know a lot of BORING FELLOW > > who are really boring but have GREAT GROUP OF FELLOW and pass nice > > time with people. I see some people are not talented but do good in > > studies, career and life. I see some people being boring but having > > good companies from others, and never lonely. Most important about > > your post, I see much guys with no face, no abilities, hanging with > > girls and ladies one after another. And I am sure you know this is > > the truth and you see such examples as well. > > > > This is all the karma, all destiny. We all do nothing. We just > > experience. > > > > My 8L exalted, and strong 8th lord is absolutely against of > > communication, is about loneliness. And most important here, it is > > against of partying, socialization, hanging with people, general > > enjoyment etc etc. It obstructs your enjoyment in religious > > functions, parties, social gathering etc etc this way or that way. > > Either the person does not want, or does not get. It is about pains, > > sufferings, loneliness etc. > > > > So with an exalted 8th lord, I generally do not get in to much > > partyiung. Then the natural 8L Sani is again strong, exalted. However > > Ve joining Asc lord and being strong saves me a lot. > > > > I generally, as I said, do not get in to much partying and > > socializations, and fortunately I do not miss it. EID is our biggest > > religious festival, and I generally pass all the EIDs very simple and > > quite boring. Similarly not much partying on other ocassions etc. > > > > Similarly 6th lord also oppose the enjoyments. In my experience it > > also obstructs watching movies and listening to songs, watching TVs > > etc. Well one might do SOME, but weaker 6L provides lots of listening > > to musics, movies, latest mucics and movies etc etc. With stronger 6L > > and saved by Ve, I do musics and movies, but less and selected only. > > Esp I often miss movies, most of the times lacking in time, and when > > I borrow from clubs, I copy them in to PC and can not watch for some > > months, or they give me disturbs etc. > > > > I have found greater success with mantras to alleviate these probs. > > Otherwise, the destiny would not change, and surrendering to the > > karma is the only way. > > > > Regards > > Tanvir. > > > > > > valist, Das Goravani wrote: > >> > >> I live in a room filled with the fineries of knowledge of two > > traditions > >> akin, Vedic and Druidic. I love the room and objects. I love my > > ancestors > >> and teachers. I feel blessed in the realm of awareness and > > knowledge. > >> > >> But it separates me from common people, and since ladies oft are > > simpler, > >> then separates me all the more from it does. > >> > >> Yet the companionship and touch of one of them on live-with basis > > I1ve > >> sought in vain for years, and the pain of that missing part of life > > grows > >> and stays. Pain of lonliness my constant companion. > >> > >> So bad it is that it1s been said of me that I have 3Borderline > > Personality > >> Disorder2. That means those who 3feel a constant inability to be > > alone2. > >> Yes, it hurts. Today it has swolen up again tremendously. Crippling, > >> completely, arched over, again, wishing, for village, for lover, for > >> companionship, when they isn1t that, for me, at this time. > >> > >> Just going on, constantly, the desk of work is in the living room, > >> producing, trying to anyway, the tools for other brahmins, druids, > > seers. > >> Trying to perform there, to survive really, in the financial world > > through > >> this high work, that these commoners have no awareness of at all. > >> > >> Separate, better, yes, better, higher, than them, but that creates > >> aloneness. > >> > >> The aloneness of the knower. > >> > >> If I live in acceptance of nothingness, death, really, for real, > > then I am > >> ok. If I want at all, I1m not. But I do want, a spouse, so I live in > >> constant pain. > >> > >> And today it is intense. So I write to my only friend, this > > impersonal > >> VALIST, which has learned mostly to ignore these cryings of mine. > >> > >> Now to take a lot of calming herbs, curl up in ignorance of the > > situation, > >> and wait it out, like a passing storm. Oh the cruelty of this > > calling to > >> knowledge and higher standards. But I dod chose it, over the > > ignorance of > >> the common understanding. > >> > >> > >> > >> Das Goravani, Pres. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Service@D... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.dancingmooninc.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. > Kovalam/Kerala > contact: christianecameron@m... > > > > > > Links > > > > > Meet the all-new My – Try it today! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Fully agree with the lady there... matter of fact from experience, ladies are anything but simple Fellow simpleton >christiane cameron <christianecameron >valist >valist >Re: Re: The lonely druid >Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:57:59 +0100 > > >Dear Mr Chowdury, > >Prey forgive me, but it looks to me that you are the one that is simple >in thinking. > >with all respect > >Lady Cameron > > >On Nov 15, 2004, at 15:23, Tanvir Chowdhury wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Das, > > > > I am writing to you through this list if you find it a better feeling > > to talk to me like this. > > > > Yes, ladies are simple in thinking. They will not understand the > > SIMPLE things of karma, astrology, hinduism etc. But they are easy to > > us, and simple. But ladies, and actually MOST of the PEOPLE and TEENS > > and YOUNG PEOPLE will not understand them. Basically it is not that > > they fail to understand, but it is their LACK OF INTEREST and > > ATTENTION to it and to what you say about it that makes them unable > > to understand it. Simply like when a friend of me buys a new PC, and > > I try to teach something simple about it, even before trying to > > understand it, he starts saying, "Oh C'mon... I can not do all these!" > > > > This is because they never try to understand or pay much attention to > > it. For they are not interested in this. > > > > My vision is very spiritual and very similar to yours. As an example, > > when some discussions go on about talent and doing good in life (Or > > something like this), I actually end up saying, "Well it is all > > destiny and nothing is at our hands..." because I just see it and see > > the life behaves as per it, so I can not really stop talking this way. > > > > I talk this way. I view this way. But I am also very jolly, funny, > > interesting. All find me interesting, a good fellow to pass time etc. > > (Say my cousins, friends etc etc) This is because even though my > > exalted Sat being 5L and exalted 8L give me spirituality, the strong > > Ve joining Merc the Asc lord gives funny and interesting nature. All > > find me humourous, they enjoy what I say, enjoy to be with me etc > > etc. I am not praising myself, but telling all these just to tell you > > something more... > > > > And what is real, that is, I find myself much interesting that I can > > not find much like me around. However, I know a lot of BORING FELLOW > > who are really boring but have GREAT GROUP OF FELLOW and pass nice > > time with people. I see some people are not talented but do good in > > studies, career and life. I see some people being boring but having > > good companies from others, and never lonely. Most important about > > your post, I see much guys with no face, no abilities, hanging with > > girls and ladies one after another. And I am sure you know this is > > the truth and you see such examples as well. > > > > This is all the karma, all destiny. We all do nothing. We just > > experience. > > > > My 8L exalted, and strong 8th lord is absolutely against of > > communication, is about loneliness. And most important here, it is > > against of partying, socialization, hanging with people, general > > enjoyment etc etc. It obstructs your enjoyment in religious > > functions, parties, social gathering etc etc this way or that way. > > Either the person does not want, or does not get. It is about pains, > > sufferings, loneliness etc. > > > > So with an exalted 8th lord, I generally do not get in to much > > partyiung. Then the natural 8L Sani is again strong, exalted. However > > Ve joining Asc lord and being strong saves me a lot. > > > > I generally, as I said, do not get in to much partying and > > socializations, and fortunately I do not miss it. EID is our biggest > > religious festival, and I generally pass all the EIDs very simple and > > quite boring. Similarly not much partying on other ocassions etc. > > > > Similarly 6th lord also oppose the enjoyments. In my experience it > > also obstructs watching movies and listening to songs, watching TVs > > etc. Well one might do SOME, but weaker 6L provides lots of listening > > to musics, movies, latest mucics and movies etc etc. With stronger 6L > > and saved by Ve, I do musics and movies, but less and selected only. > > Esp I often miss movies, most of the times lacking in time, and when > > I borrow from clubs, I copy them in to PC and can not watch for some > > months, or they give me disturbs etc. > > > > I have found greater success with mantras to alleviate these probs. > > Otherwise, the destiny would not change, and surrendering to the > > karma is the only way. > > > > Regards > > Tanvir. > > > > > > valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote: > >> > >> I live in a room filled with the fineries of knowledge of two > > traditions > >> akin, Vedic and Druidic. I love the room and objects. I love my > > ancestors > >> and teachers. I feel blessed in the realm of awareness and > > knowledge. > >> > >> But it separates me from common people, and since ladies oft are > > simpler, > >> then separates me all the more from it does. > >> > >> Yet the companionship and touch of one of them on live-with basis > > I¹ve > >> sought in vain for years, and the pain of that missing part of life > > grows > >> and stays. Pain of lonliness my constant companion. > >> > >> So bad it is that it¹s been said of me that I have ³Borderline > > Personality > >> Disorder². That means those who ³feel a constant inability to be > > alone². > >> Yes, it hurts. Today it has swolen up again tremendously. Crippling, > >> completely, arched over, again, wishing, for village, for lover, for > >> companionship, when they isn¹t that, for me, at this time. > >> > >> Just going on, constantly, the desk of work is in the living room, > >> producing, trying to anyway, the tools for other brahmins, druids, > > seers. > >> Trying to perform there, to survive really, in the financial world > > through > >> this high work, that these commoners have no awareness of at all. > >> > >> Separate, better, yes, better, higher, than them, but that creates > >> aloneness. > >> > >> The aloneness of the knower. > >> > >> If I live in acceptance of nothingness, death, really, for real, > > then I am > >> ok. If I want at all, I¹m not. But I do want, a spouse, so I live in > >> constant pain. > >> > >> And today it is intense. So I write to my only friend, this > > impersonal > >> VALIST, which has learned mostly to ignore these cryings of mine. > >> > >> Now to take a lot of calming herbs, curl up in ignorance of the > > situation, > >> and wait it out, like a passing storm. Oh the cruelty of this > > calling to > >> knowledge and higher standards. But I dod chose it, over the > > ignorance of > >> the common understanding. > >> > >> > >> > >> Das Goravani, Pres. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Service@D... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.dancingmooninc.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Monsoonhouse Int. >Kovalam/Kerala >contact: christianecameron > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > _______________ Life on the fast track! Get hooked to it! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp04/tataracing/ Meet the champs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Hello ladies, I have to agree with Sabine on this one. All I heard said was that when ANYONE has a lack of interest in something, they will not "understand" it. That is true of men as well. He applied the "simple" to other groups of people besides ladies. It's just a manner of speaking. If you listen to the message and not the words, then maybe we "ladies" could move past "simple" responses like three or four versions of the word appalled. Also, you do not know anything about the ladies he's had experience with. Perhaps, in his experience, he is right. When people use generalizations like "ladies" or "blondes", etc, they are making poor word choices in a rush to make a point that matters to them. Try searching for that point so you can hear it. He's not referring to you. Or us. Whatever. Let's try to be calm and complex enough to hear what is trying to be said. If you can't hear it, how about asking him to clarify before a mass rush to judgment? Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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