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Hello

 

Sabine sent me this link, thanks Sabine.

 

It¹s about a wedding in Ladakh. It¹s all pictures, like a slideshow. So

check it out for beautiful images from a wedding in Ladakh.

 

I noticed things like hand made clothing and the artwork. These things

interest me because it gives a window to the very look of truly indigenous

items and lifestyles. This reminds of ancient gatherings that took place all

over the world, including modern Europe and modern America.

 

I imagine what my own ancestors had in common with this gather...the wool

clothing and ancestral styles... Just change a few items, like skin color

and patterns in the design, and otherwise you¹ve got a Celtic village in

France 2500 years ago... The horses, simple housing, the clothes, designs,

village life, customs, etc.

 

Notice the overt and heavy use of one type of blue rock in the head

dressings, something somewhat valuable- turquoise. So in ancient times (and

still today in some places) people would invade another nation just to

pillage something like that, for business, for money. I could never

understand this mentality myself. I cannot condone raiding and killing for

one¹s business pursuits.

 

Notice the Swastika on the first slide. This hopefully doesn¹t shock anyone

on this list by now. The Swastika is heavily used in India and the nations

around it, as part of the ancient sacred symbolism as we¹ve been discussing.

 

That is why some say ³Hitler stole it from India², but in fact, that¹s not

true, as the symbol is also found on pottery and other such items from

Europe through archaeological digs there- and it¹s found on the pottery and

jewelry and other items of all the peoples of ancient Europe pretty much.

 

 

 

Das Goravani

 

 

 

 

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Hello dear Das and the List members,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

It is all well accepted in the whole wide world that the ancient written

language is the Sanskrit and the Sanskrit is the language of the time less

Vedas in spoken and written form prior to any other discovery of other

language.

 

As else where Dawn one of the member on this forum mentioned that the Lord

Rama's two sons Luv and Kush ruled over the land of today's known country as

China and Russia, therefore, it indicates that all the signs and symbles of

Devi's and Devta including Swastika were and are part of the Vedic Culture

because nothing else existed before as it historically proves further the

very existence of the Maha Bharat episodes where Lord Shri Krishna spoke the

divine instructions to Arjuna in the battle field of Kurukestra beside the

confirmation of the Raja Suya Yagya performed by Maharaja Yudhistra as the

king of planet earth after winning the battle of Maha Bharat i.e. all over

the world.

 

Is it not possible that the people today's known as Celts and other parts of

the today's Europe and the inhabitants thereof at that time were Yadu's

dynesty ?

 

As the time passed by generation after generation before the era of our Lord

Jesus and at the beginning of the Kaliyuga, due to the change of time and

the mental compacity of the people the the things changed with the due

course of time and so many different group of people along with the

theories came in to existence to claim their originallity.

 

Why I say that, you may ask. It is an other one of the indication of the

Tibetian people showing on the clothes the sacred sign of Swastika at the

marriage confirms the tradition of the Vedic Culture.

 

Further, as you mentioned in your email, Das prabhu, that the symbol is

also found on pottery and other such items from Europe through

archaeological digs there- and it¹s found on the pottery and jewelry and

other items of all the peoples of ancient Europe pretty much confirms the

same very existence of the Vedic Culture.

 

I truly and sincerely do believe that the readers may seriously begin to

think about its originallity.

 

Hari BOL.

 

With my best wishes..................Amar Puri.

 

 

 

>Das Goravani <>

>valist

><valist>

>Swastika Usage Today w/ Link

>Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:25:50 -0800

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>

>

>http://www.pbase.com/clodreno/image/23443835

>

>Hello

>

>Sabine sent me this link, thanks Sabine.

>

>It¹s about a wedding in Ladakh. It¹s all pictures, like a slideshow. So

>check it out for beautiful images from a wedding in Ladakh.

>

>I noticed things like hand made clothing and the artwork. These things

>interest me because it gives a window to the very look of truly indigenous

>items and lifestyles. This reminds of ancient gatherings that took place

>all

>over the world, including modern Europe and modern America.

>

>I imagine what my own ancestors had in common with this gather...the wool

>clothing and ancestral styles... Just change a few items, like skin color

>and patterns in the design, and otherwise you¹ve got a Celtic village in

>France 2500 years ago... The horses, simple housing, the clothes, designs,

>village life, customs, etc.

>

>Notice the overt and heavy use of one type of blue rock in the head

>dressings, something somewhat valuable- turquoise. So in ancient times (and

>still today in some places) people would invade another nation just to

>pillage something like that, for business, for money. I could never

>understand this mentality myself. I cannot condone raiding and killing for

>one¹s business pursuits.

>

>Notice the Swastika on the first slide. This hopefully doesn¹t shock anyone

>on this list by now. The Swastika is heavily used in India and the nations

>around it, as part of the ancient sacred symbolism as we¹ve been

>discussing.

>

>That is why some say ³Hitler stole it from India², but in fact, that¹s not

>true, as the symbol is also found on pottery and other such items from

>Europe through archaeological digs there- and it¹s found on the pottery and

>jewelry and other items of all the peoples of ancient Europe pretty much.

>

>

>

>Das Goravani

>

>

>

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Considering that Sri Ganesha is the primordial deity, and has to be

worshiped before any other diety, and is extremely powerful, then His

symbol has to be everywhere, by default.

 

The fact that the knowledge about Him today does not exist in many

countries outside India (until recently of course), does not

invalidate that. Knowledge of a diety does not affect the existence

of that diety.

 

 

 

Being so powerful, His symbol has to have spread. What we see today

is the remnants of that in ancient cultures everywhere.

 

Its a human thing to assume that Sri Ganesha only belongs to India or

Indian culture. A diety belongs to all cultures and all countries, or

perhaps to none, as They are above that.

 

India has perhaps managed to preserve that culture of spirituality

intact more than any other place, and the knowledge of it, which has

been lost elsewhere. Perhaps because so many dieties have taken birth

there.

 

I think what I am trying to say here, is that of course the symbols

of Sri Ganesha would be found in Celtic or other art, as its a real

thing, not mythology, even if today no one connects Sri Ganesha with

the ancient Celts. The essence transcends time, culture everything.

 

 

dawn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

valist, "fas fas" <foreignersassistance@h...>

wrote:

> Hello dear Das and the List members,

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> It is all well accepted in the whole wide world that the ancient

written

> language is the Sanskrit and the Sanskrit is the language of the

time less

> Vedas in spoken and written form prior to any other discovery of

other

> language.

>

> As else where Dawn one of the member on this forum mentioned that

the Lord

> Rama's two sons Luv and Kush ruled over the land of today's known

country as

> China and Russia, therefore, it indicates that all the signs and

symbles of

> Devi's and Devta including Swastika were and are part of the Vedic

Culture

> because nothing else existed before as it historically proves

further the

> very existence of the Maha Bharat episodes where Lord Shri Krishna

spoke the

> divine instructions to Arjuna in the battle field of Kurukestra

beside the

> confirmation of the Raja Suya Yagya performed by Maharaja Yudhistra

as the

> king of planet earth after winning the battle of Maha Bharat i.e.

all over

> the world.

>

> Is it not possible that the people today's known as Celts and other

parts of

> the today's Europe and the inhabitants thereof at that time were

Yadu's

> dynesty ?

>

> As the time passed by generation after generation before the era of

our Lord

> Jesus and at the beginning of the Kaliyuga, due to the change of

time and

> the mental compacity of the people the the things changed with the

due

> course of time and so many different group of people along with

the

> theories came in to existence to claim their originallity.

>

> Why I say that, you may ask. It is an other one of the indication

of the

> Tibetian people showing on the clothes the sacred sign of Swastika

at the

> marriage confirms the tradition of the Vedic Culture.

>

> Further, as you mentioned in your email, Das prabhu, that the

symbol is

> also found on pottery and other such items from Europe through

> archaeological digs there- and it¹s found on the pottery and

jewelry and

> other items of all the peoples of ancient Europe pretty much

confirms the

> same very existence of the Vedic Culture.

>

> I truly and sincerely do believe that the readers may seriously

begin to

> think about its originallity.

>

> Hari BOL.

>

> With my best wishes..................Amar Puri.

>

>

>

> >Das Goravani <das@g...>

> >valist

> ><valist>

> >Swastika Usage Today w/ Link

> >Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:25:50 -0800

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >http://www.pbase.com/clodreno/image/23443835

> >

> >Hello

> >

> >Sabine sent me this link, thanks Sabine.

> >

> >It¹s about a wedding in Ladakh. It¹s all pictures, like a

slideshow. So

> >check it out for beautiful images from a wedding in Ladakh.

> >

> >I noticed things like hand made clothing and the artwork. These

things

> >interest me because it gives a window to the very look of truly

indigenous

> >items and lifestyles. This reminds of ancient gatherings that took

place

> >all

> >over the world, including modern Europe and modern America.

> >

> >I imagine what my own ancestors had in common with this

gather...the wool

> >clothing and ancestral styles... Just change a few items, like

skin color

> >and patterns in the design, and otherwise you¹ve got a Celtic

village in

> >France 2500 years ago... The horses, simple housing, the clothes,

designs,

> >village life, customs, etc.

> >

> >Notice the overt and heavy use of one type of blue rock in the head

> >dressings, something somewhat valuable- turquoise. So in ancient

times (and

> >still today in some places) people would invade another nation

just to

> >pillage something like that, for business, for money. I could never

> >understand this mentality myself. I cannot condone raiding and

killing for

> >one¹s business pursuits.

> >

> >Notice the Swastika on the first slide. This hopefully doesn¹t

shock anyone

> >on this list by now. The Swastika is heavily used in India and the

nations

> >around it, as part of the ancient sacred symbolism as we¹ve been

> >discussing.

> >

> >That is why some say ³Hitler stole it from India², but in fact,

that¹s not

> >true, as the symbol is also found on pottery and other such items

from

> >Europe through archaeological digs there- and it¹s found on the

pottery and

> >jewelry and other items of all the peoples of ancient Europe

pretty much.

> >

> >

> >

> >Das Goravani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Well, the total believers for Vedic culture and deities are chiming in and

stating that Vedic culture was everywhere and that Vedic deities are the

most primordial.

 

I've come to dislike totalitarian statements from religious faithful (I

know, I used to do it), but I must admit, no religion has so much the right

to act that way as Vedic does, with it's antiquity and breadth. Very hard to

beat! Unbeatable!

 

True, being material, all things in this world had to have a beginning,

including the human race- it had to either have been

 

1. dropped off by spaceship

2. Manifest in one place then spread

3. Manifest in many places similarly

 

We don't seem to know which it is at this time, or if we do, we're not

telling each other clearly enough for all to get it yet.

 

The swastika- seems particular enough to not just auto pop up in exactly the

same form all over the world, so one tends to think it spread from

somewhere. It's also easy to draw, looks nice, and looks cool, attractive,

so, if it were shown, it would tend to stick, hence one traveling Brahmin

3000 years ago in Europe is all it would take for it's introduction and

eventual wide spread there- wouldn't take much. For example, the triskalian,

the 3 pointed star so popular in Celtic art, is popping up on everything now

in America, because it LOOKS COOL and for no other reason.

 

There are no findings of elephant heads on anything in Europe. Period. I

haven't seen an elephant head on ANYTHING found in ALL of Europe from

ancient times in archaeological books, but you do find other similar things,

like Goat's heads on a human body, in other words, you find animals native

to the place as being deity parts.

 

There certainly could have been one huge kingdom- even Rome controlled

government in all of Europe, and much of Asia in it's day, and Greece had a

huge empire at one point. It's certainly believable that before recorded

history, and before remembered history, India too had it's time in ruling

the world, more or less.

 

When I see, as I have, the very very dark people of South India and Africa,

and the very very white people of Denmark, I'm struck as to how these two

could evolve from one, but it is possible, and conceivable. It's also

possible that they came from on the one hand the same original stock, and

then on the other hand got input of DNA from outside sources, alien sources,

or that various demigods started their own "downlines" on Earth. We don¹t

know.

 

Of all the creation tales from various cultures I've heard, the Vedic one is

the most complete, well documented and even believeable. Some are very vague

in comparison, and some, like Irish, don't have a creation tale at all. Of

course, the Irish and Celts have to be forgiven this in the now because in

the "then" they were against writing, and what is preserved was done so by

outsiders moreso. The true ancient Celtic beliefs are unknown, and will

remain so, it seems, like an extinct animal, they're gone.

 

We do know that at the time Krishna and the Pandavas were purported to have

existed, say 5000 years ago, at that same time Egypt was thriving in it's

own way, which was very different from Vedic. We have archaeological records

of many other cultures existing at that time as well, all with differing

cultures from Vedic- other Gods, other Rites and Rituals, other Dress, other

Alphabet, etc etc. So the world was not "one completely" 5000 years ago,

certainly not. However, it is possible that there was a great civilization

holding sway and power over the others, that could be so. But for one big

Vedic culture with Sanskrit spoken worldwide and Vedic everything spread

worldwide, there is no evidence of that other than the small pieces of

evidence like the Swastika, and some Sanskrit words, other traces, to

indicate exposure perhaps? Or, perhaps way out of sight, very long ago,

there was that huge Vedic worldwide thing, and it's all melted away,

perhaps.

 

????

 

I'm living in the question, rather than the answer.

 

Rick

Das

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Dear Members,

 

 

There is also another take on the swastika, as mentioned by James Churchward in

his book, " The Lost Continent of Mu" originally published in 1931 and reprinted

sometime in the '80's.

Churchward came across tablets in India, while performing relief work there

during a famine, sometime in the early 1900's. He was assisting a temple priest

at the time who helped him recover two sets of ancient tablets written in the

language of Naga Maya.

The tablets were written by the Naacals, a priestly brotherhood, sent from the

'motherland' to the 'colonies' to teach religion and sacred sciences. The

'motherland' here meaning the continent of Mu or Lemuria, thought to have

existed as far back as 50,000 years ago in the Pacific Ocean and sinking beneath

the waves in a great cataclysm about 12,000 years ago with its 64 million

inhabitants.

The swastika symbol was included in these tablets and was referred to as "The

Sacred Four". This same symbol also appeared amidst the 2500 stone tablets

discovered by William Niven in Mexico, also apparently written by the Naacal

brotherhood.

 

>From Churchward: "The Naacal writings tell that the Sacred Four were the

Creator's Commands that evolved law and order from chaos throughout the

universe. When they had completed this work they were given charge of the

physical universe. The Mexican tablets say identically the same thing."

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

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Steve,

interesting stuff there.

 

is the book out of print now or do perhaps know who the publisher was?

 

dawn

 

 

 

valist, Steven Stuckey <steven@l...> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

>

> There is also another take on the swastika, as mentioned by James

Churchward in

> his book, " The Lost Continent of Mu" originally published in 1931

and reprinted

> sometime in the '80's.

> Churchward came across tablets in India, while performing relief

work there

> during a famine, sometime in the early 1900's. He was assisting a

temple priest

> at the time who helped him recover two sets of ancient tablets

written in the

> language of Naga Maya.

> The tablets were written by the Naacals, a priestly brotherhood,

sent from the

> 'motherland' to the 'colonies' to teach religion and sacred

sciences. The

> 'motherland' here meaning the continent of Mu or Lemuria, thought

to have

> existed as far back as 50,000 years ago in the Pacific Ocean and

sinking beneath

> the waves in a great cataclysm about 12,000 years ago with its 64

million

> inhabitants.

> The swastika symbol was included in these tablets and was referred

to as "The

> Sacred Four". This same symbol also appeared amidst the 2500 stone

tablets

> discovered by William Niven in Mexico, also apparently written by

the Naacal

> brotherhood.

>

> From Churchward: "The Naacal writings tell that the Sacred Four

were the

> Creator's Commands that evolved law and order from chaos throughout

the

> universe. When they had completed this work they were given charge

of the

> physical universe. The Mexican tablets say identically the same

thing."

>

>

> Best,

>

> Steve

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Dear Rick Das,

 

> ancient times in archaeological books, but you do find other similar

things,

> like Goat's heads on a human body, in other words, you find animals

native

> to the place as being deity parts.

 

The goat face diety you mentioned is interesting, Let me add

something which I know, Ketu usually represented by Ganesha is

supposed to have 4 other heads too!,

 

They are,

 

Aja Mukha (Goat Faced)

Go Mukha (Cow Faced)

Haya Mukha (Hores Faced)

And finally Ganesha with Gaja Mukha (Elephant faced).

Aja mukha is given by Mars and Gaja Mukha by Jupiter to

Ketu. Guess the others :)

 

Ketu represents sukshma sharira or subtle body, the sthoola

sharira or gross body is represented by Mars.

 

Ketu is headless in general. If Ketu does not get a proper

head in a Chart it can cause havoc.

In Puranic story It's Vishnu who gives the head to Ketu.

 

To explain my understanding let me give an analogy of

Car and the driver.

This body is just a Bio-Hormonal mass subjected to all

laws of physics. This gross body is controlled by two layers

of subtle body one formed of emotions and feelings and the other

formed by soul.

 

Ganesha's birth story is very important, He was orginally created

from mother Parvati's Bathing Ointment. Hence Ganesha is also

called Heramba, Heramba mean turmeric which is used in bathing

ointment.

 

Here the significance that Boy was born only of materials

without Shiva as partner is important. Which is what Ketu thinks

originally. That he is all matter. And Refuses to identify Shiva.

Shiva fromed from 'Shava'dead body + 'ee' in between of Shaktee.

The boy gets into a fight with Shiva, indicates Ketu's havoc.

 

Shiva the Rudra beheads him and Then Vishnu Gives him Elepant Head.

 

Similarly there is another story, Maybe this is related to Aja mukha

which you mentioned. That story is of Dakha Prajapati the creator.

Who was again beheaded and given Goat Face.

 

Maybe this celtic art you say is another manifestation of the same

story. And Swastika could be representation for all forms of head.

And it indicates the mooladhara, the base of material form, in

different ways.

Every Tradition has their own way of expressing the abstract it

looks. But the answer could be in all as we are derived from

the same.

 

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Om Tat Sat

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Dawn wrote:

 

> Steve,

> interesting stuff there.

>

> is the book out of print now or do perhaps know who the publisher was?

>

 

Hi Dawn,

 

As far as I can tell, all of his books are currently in print. They were

re-printed in the late '80's early '90's. There are 4 books I

believe--here is a link to Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Jam\

es%20Churchward/102-1376621-8337

 

 

 

Churchward was serving in the British Army in India in 1868 when he

discovered the stone tablets. He states in his book that there were only

two priests in India at the time that could read the ancient language. He

spent the remainder of his life, over 50 years, translating and

researching the tablets.

 

Here is another nice link on this:

 

http://www.brotherhoodoflife.com/MU.html

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

 

 

 

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Well, I would to add some remarks about culture spreading.

 

According to language research Sanskrit belongs to a class of families

called "Indo-European". Almost all European languages belong to this

family, and also of course, Celtic.

The origin of Indo-Europeans is due to recent research located in the

Turkey-Caucasian area.

This result is also backed up by genetics.

Due ti a Russian-Israelin research Indo-European orginated from an even

larger class of Language-families called "Nostratic". To this super

family belong Indo-European, Darwidian (Tamil belong to that) and teh

group of Arabic-Hebrew-North-African languages (Hannibal spoke that).

The location of this people is supposed to be in an Area of the today

Iraq/Iran.

For me this means that all these people orginated from somewhere in the

near-middle east. Note also that the grain wheat comes from there (as a

furtile bastard of two common grass species there!). And our basis of

culture too. After separation of the peoples different culture evolved,

and I agree about exchange of knowledge, religion, etc. Some people even

say that the Indian Buddhas wear Greek togas.

Even the idea of such a far-in-past connection of all of us I consider

as very very faszinating!

Think of the myths connecting with that, the Tower of Babel and the

spreading of the people into the world.

In contrast to the Indian the Europeans however, have lost many

traditions of the past due to Christianity, and I think that only just

traces are left in our European culture.

 

Cheers Christian

 

Am So, 2005-02-06 um 14.53 schrieb Das Goravani:

> Well, the total believers for Vedic culture and deities are chiming in and

> stating that Vedic culture was everywhere and that Vedic deities are the

> most primordial.

>

> I've come to dislike totalitarian statements from religious faithful (I

> know, I used to do it), but I must admit, no religion has so much the right

> to act that way as Vedic does, with it's antiquity and breadth. Very hard to

> beat! Unbeatable!

>

> True, being material, all things in this world had to have a beginning,

> including the human race- it had to either have been

>

> 1. dropped off by spaceship

> 2. Manifest in one place then spread

> 3. Manifest in many places similarly

>

> We don't seem to know which it is at this time, or if we do, we're not

> telling each other clearly enough for all to get it yet.

>

> The swastika- seems particular enough to not just auto pop up in exactly the

> same form all over the world, so one tends to think it spread from

> somewhere. It's also easy to draw, looks nice, and looks cool, attractive,

> so, if it were shown, it would tend to stick, hence one traveling Brahmin

> 3000 years ago in Europe is all it would take for it's introduction and

> eventual wide spread there- wouldn't take much. For example, the triskalian,

> the 3 pointed star so popular in Celtic art, is popping up on everything now

> in America, because it LOOKS COOL and for no other reason.

>

> There are no findings of elephant heads on anything in Europe. Period. I

> haven't seen an elephant head on ANYTHING found in ALL of Europe from

> ancient times in archaeological books, but you do find other similar things,

> like Goat's heads on a human body, in other words, you find animals native

> to the place as being deity parts.

>

> There certainly could have been one huge kingdom- even Rome controlled

> government in all of Europe, and much of Asia in it's day, and Greece had a

> huge empire at one point. It's certainly believable that before recorded

> history, and before remembered history, India too had it's time in ruling

> the world, more or less.

>

> When I see, as I have, the very very dark people of South India and Africa,

> and the very very white people of Denmark, I'm struck as to how these two

> could evolve from one, but it is possible, and conceivable. It's also

> possible that they came from on the one hand the same original stock, and

> then on the other hand got input of DNA from outside sources, alien sources,

> or that various demigods started their own "downlines" on Earth. We don¹t

> know.

>

> Of all the creation tales from various cultures I've heard, the Vedic one is

> the most complete, well documented and even believeable. Some are very vague

> in comparison, and some, like Irish, don't have a creation tale at all. Of

> course, the Irish and Celts have to be forgiven this in the now because in

> the "then" they were against writing, and what is preserved was done so by

> outsiders moreso. The true ancient Celtic beliefs are unknown, and will

> remain so, it seems, like an extinct animal, they're gone.

>

> We do know that at the time Krishna and the Pandavas were purported to have

> existed, say 5000 years ago, at that same time Egypt was thriving in it's

> own way, which was very different from Vedic. We have archaeological records

> of many other cultures existing at that time as well, all with differing

> cultures from Vedic- other Gods, other Rites and Rituals, other Dress, other

> Alphabet, etc etc. So the world was not "one completely" 5000 years ago,

> certainly not. However, it is possible that there was a great civilization

> holding sway and power over the others, that could be so. But for one big

> Vedic culture with Sanskrit spoken worldwide and Vedic everything spread

> worldwide, there is no evidence of that other than the small pieces of

> evidence like the Swastika, and some Sanskrit words, other traces, to

> indicate exposure perhaps? Or, perhaps way out of sight, very long ago,

> there was that huge Vedic worldwide thing, and it's all melted away,

> perhaps.

>

> ????

>

> I'm living in the question, rather than the answer.

>

> Rick

> Das

>

>

>

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear List,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

As it appears that according to language research Sanskrit belongs to a

class of families

called "Indo-European". Yes, this statement is further confirmed in the

Vedic Literature that Maharaja Prikshit sent his two sons to the region

today's known as Rome and eastern Europe to rule that part of the world. As

I said in my eamil elsewhere that there is a possibility based on these

evidance talked about that the Celts and others were no doubt part of the

Yadu Dynesty, perhaps. More so, there are certain words of Sanskrit, I

remember, which are well known in todays' world such as VESTRY Christian

uses this word which means a room of holy clothes in a Church and in a

Sanskrit it is called VESTRA i.e. clothes. The name of Vatican in Rome

reminds very similar to the name in Sanskrit called Vatica which means a

place of Dharma, religious place of worship. Another, very famous name of

the place is Jerusalem also written as Yadusailam or Yerushalayiam in

Sanskrit it is known as Yadu-Ishalayam which means the Temple of Lord of

YADU - Krishana's clan.

 

However one may perceive all these, one thing is certain that we are part

and parcel of this cosmic manifestation wondering in a different colors

(White, Off white, yellow, golden, Brownish, all types of colours) of space

suit made out of the five gross material elements on this Planet Earth

accepting and identifying with it to be our real selves not knowing and

realizing who we really are, what is the purpose of our wondering on this

planet earth, and yet we are all debating who wore first the space suit made

out of the five gross elements of the Universe on this planet earth.

 

The mundane reasearch can not give all these answers. The answer must come

from the Creator HIMSELF or through HIS instructions. These instructions

are coming down to us in different Languages according to the time and

place. We are all in search of looking for these instructions according to

our individual mode of material nature. Even though the instructions may

very well be in front of us, we can not recoganize or refuse to recoganize.

 

I sincerely hope that one day we all can find the answers and go back where

we came from.

 

With best wishes................Amar Puri.

 

>Christian.Grosche

>valist

>valist

>Re: Swastika Usage Today w/ Link

>Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:09:30 +0100

>

>

>

>Well, I would to add some remarks about culture spreading.

>

>According to language research Sanskrit belongs to a class of families

>called "Indo-European". Almost all European languages belong to this

>family, and also of course, Celtic.

>The origin of Indo-Europeans is due to recent research located in the

>Turkey-Caucasian area.

>This result is also backed up by genetics.

>Due ti a Russian-Israelin research Indo-European orginated from an even

>larger class of Language-families called "Nostratic". To this super

>family belong Indo-European, Darwidian (Tamil belong to that) and teh

>group of Arabic-Hebrew-North-African languages (Hannibal spoke that).

>The location of this people is supposed to be in an Area of the today

>Iraq/Iran.

>For me this means that all these people orginated from somewhere in the

>near-middle east. Note also that the grain wheat comes from there (as a

>furtile bastard of two common grass species there!). And our basis of

>culture too. After separation of the peoples different culture evolved,

>and I agree about exchange of knowledge, religion, etc. Some people even

>say that the Indian Buddhas wear Greek togas.

>Even the idea of such a far-in-past connection of all of us I consider

>as very very faszinating!

>Think of the myths connecting with that, the Tower of Babel and the

>spreading of the people into the world.

>In contrast to the Indian the Europeans however, have lost many

>traditions of the past due to Christianity, and I think that only just

>traces are left in our European culture.

>

>Cheers Christian

>

>Am So, 2005-02-06 um 14.53 schrieb Das Goravani:

> > Well, the total believers for Vedic culture and deities are chiming in

>and

> > stating that Vedic culture was everywhere and that Vedic deities are the

> > most primordial.

> >

> > I've come to dislike totalitarian statements from religious faithful (I

> > know, I used to do it), but I must admit, no religion has so much the

>right

> > to act that way as Vedic does, with it's antiquity and breadth. Very

>hard to

> > beat! Unbeatable!

> >

> > True, being material, all things in this world had to have a beginning,

> > including the human race- it had to either have been

> >

> > 1. dropped off by spaceship

> > 2. Manifest in one place then spread

> > 3. Manifest in many places similarly

> >

> > We don't seem to know which it is at this time, or if we do, we're not

> > telling each other clearly enough for all to get it yet.

> >

> > The swastika- seems particular enough to not just auto pop up in exactly

>the

> > same form all over the world, so one tends to think it spread from

> > somewhere. It's also easy to draw, looks nice, and looks cool,

>attractive,

> > so, if it were shown, it would tend to stick, hence one traveling

>Brahmin

> > 3000 years ago in Europe is all it would take for it's introduction and

> > eventual wide spread there- wouldn't take much. For example, the

>triskalian,

> > the 3 pointed star so popular in Celtic art, is popping up on everything

>now

> > in America, because it LOOKS COOL and for no other reason.

> >

> > There are no findings of elephant heads on anything in Europe. Period. I

> > haven't seen an elephant head on ANYTHING found in ALL of Europe from

> > ancient times in archaeological books, but you do find other similar

>things,

> > like Goat's heads on a human body, in other words, you find animals

>native

> > to the place as being deity parts.

> >

> > There certainly could have been one huge kingdom- even Rome controlled

> > government in all of Europe, and much of Asia in it's day, and Greece

>had a

> > huge empire at one point. It's certainly believable that before

>recorded

> > history, and before remembered history, India too had it's time in

>ruling

> > the world, more or less.

> >

> > When I see, as I have, the very very dark people of South India and

>Africa,

> > and the very very white people of Denmark, I'm struck as to how these

>two

> > could evolve from one, but it is possible, and conceivable. It's also

> > possible that they came from on the one hand the same original stock,

>and

> > then on the other hand got input of DNA from outside sources, alien

>sources,

> > or that various demigods started their own "downlines" on Earth. We

>don¹t

> > know.

> >

> > Of all the creation tales from various cultures I've heard, the Vedic

>one is

> > the most complete, well documented and even believeable. Some are very

>vague

> > in comparison, and some, like Irish, don't have a creation tale at all.

>Of

> > course, the Irish and Celts have to be forgiven this in the now because

>in

> > the "then" they were against writing, and what is preserved was done so

>by

> > outsiders moreso. The true ancient Celtic beliefs are unknown, and will

> > remain so, it seems, like an extinct animal, they're gone.

> >

> > We do know that at the time Krishna and the Pandavas were purported to

>have

> > existed, say 5000 years ago, at that same time Egypt was thriving in

>it's

> > own way, which was very different from Vedic. We have archaeological

>records

> > of many other cultures existing at that time as well, all with differing

> > cultures from Vedic- other Gods, other Rites and Rituals, other Dress,

>other

> > Alphabet, etc etc. So the world was not "one completely" 5000 years ago,

> > certainly not. However, it is possible that there was a great

>civilization

> > holding sway and power over the others, that could be so. But for one

>big

> > Vedic culture with Sanskrit spoken worldwide and Vedic everything spread

> > worldwide, there is no evidence of that other than the small pieces of

> > evidence like the Swastika, and some Sanskrit words, other traces, to

> > indicate exposure perhaps? Or, perhaps way out of sight, very long ago,

> > there was that huge Vedic worldwide thing, and it's all melted away,

> > perhaps.

> >

> > ????

> >

> > I'm living in the question, rather than the answer.

> >

> > Rick

> > Das

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

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valist, "fas fas" <foreignersassistance@h...>

wrote:

> Dear List,

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> As it appears that according to language research Sanskrit belongs

to a

> class of families

> called "Indo-European". Yes, this statement is further confirmed

in the

> Vedic Literature that Maharaja Prikshit sent his two sons to the

region

> today's known as Rome and eastern Europe to rule that part of the

world. As

> I said in my eamil elsewhere that there is a possibility based on

these

> evidance talked about that the Celts and others were no doubt part

of the

> Yadu Dynesty, perhaps. More so, there are certain words of

Sanskrit, I

> remember, which are well known in todays' world such as VESTRY

Christian

> uses this word which means a room of holy clothes in a Church and

in a

> Sanskrit it is called VESTRA i.e. clothes. The name of Vatican in

Rome

> reminds very similar to the name in Sanskrit called Vatica which

means a

> place of Dharma, religious place of worship. Another, very famous

name of

> the place is Jerusalem also written as Yadusailam or Yerushalayiam

in

> Sanskrit it is known as Yadu-Ishalayam which means the Temple of

Lord of

> YADU - Krishana's clan.

 

THIS RELATES TO MY REFERENCE TO CHRIST CALLING KRISHNA FATHER IS AN

EARLIER POST. CHRIST'S CALLED HIMSELF (PHONETICALLY) YESTHU KRISHTOS

(SON OF KRISHNA).

 

SO YOUR INFORMATION CORRELATES WITH THAT.

 

DAWN.

 

 

>

> However one may perceive all these, one thing is certain that we

are part

> and parcel of this cosmic manifestation wondering in a different

colors

> (White, Off white, yellow, golden, Brownish, all types of colours)

of space

> suit made out of the five gross material elements on this Planet

Earth

> accepting and identifying with it to be our real selves not knowing

and

> realizing who we really are, what is the purpose of our wondering

on this

> planet earth, and yet we are all debating who wore first the space

suit made

> out of the five gross elements of the Universe on this planet

earth.

>

> The mundane reasearch can not give all these answers. The answer

must come

> from the Creator HIMSELF or through HIS instructions. These

instructions

> are coming down to us in different Languages according to the time

and

> place. We are all in search of looking for these instructions

according to

> our individual mode of material nature. Even though the

instructions may

> very well be in front of us, we can not recoganize or refuse to

recoganize.

>

> I sincerely hope that one day we all can find the answers and go

back where

> we came from.

>

> With best wishes................Amar Puri.

>

> >Christian.Grosche@t...

> >valist

> >valist

> >Re: Swastika Usage Today w/ Link

> >Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:09:30 +0100

> >

> >

> >

> >Well, I would to add some remarks about culture spreading.

> >

> >According to language research Sanskrit belongs to a class of

families

> >called "Indo-European". Almost all European languages belong to

this

> >family, and also of course, Celtic.

> >The origin of Indo-Europeans is due to recent research located in

the

> >Turkey-Caucasian area.

> >This result is also backed up by genetics.

> >Due ti a Russian-Israelin research Indo-European orginated from an

even

> >larger class of Language-families called "Nostratic". To this super

> >family belong Indo-European, Darwidian (Tamil belong to that) and

teh

> >group of Arabic-Hebrew-North-African languages (Hannibal spoke

that).

> >The location of this people is supposed to be in an Area of the

today

> >Iraq/Iran.

> >For me this means that all these people orginated from somewhere

in the

> >near-middle east. Note also that the grain wheat comes from there

(as a

> >furtile bastard of two common grass species there!). And our basis

of

> >culture too. After separation of the peoples different culture

evolved,

> >and I agree about exchange of knowledge, religion, etc. Some

people even

> >say that the Indian Buddhas wear Greek togas.

> >Even the idea of such a far-in-past connection of all of us I

consider

> >as very very faszinating!

> >Think of the myths connecting with that, the Tower of Babel and the

> >spreading of the people into the world.

> >In contrast to the Indian the Europeans however, have lost many

> >traditions of the past due to Christianity, and I think that only

just

> >traces are left in our European culture.

> >

> >Cheers Christian

> >

> >Am So, 2005-02-06 um 14.53 schrieb Das Goravani:

> > > Well, the total believers for Vedic culture and deities are

chiming in

> >and

> > > stating that Vedic culture was everywhere and that Vedic

deities are the

> > > most primordial.

> > >

> > > I've come to dislike totalitarian statements from religious

faithful (I

> > > know, I used to do it), but I must admit, no religion has so

much the

> >right

> > > to act that way as Vedic does, with it's antiquity and breadth.

Very

> >hard to

> > > beat! Unbeatable!

> > >

> > > True, being material, all things in this world had to have a

beginning,

> > > including the human race- it had to either have been

> > >

> > > 1. dropped off by spaceship

> > > 2. Manifest in one place then spread

> > > 3. Manifest in many places similarly

> > >

> > > We don't seem to know which it is at this time, or if we do,

we're not

> > > telling each other clearly enough for all to get it yet.

> > >

> > > The swastika- seems particular enough to not just auto pop up

in exactly

> >the

> > > same form all over the world, so one tends to think it spread

from

> > > somewhere. It's also easy to draw, looks nice, and looks cool,

> >attractive,

> > > so, if it were shown, it would tend to stick, hence one

traveling

> >Brahmin

> > > 3000 years ago in Europe is all it would take for it's

introduction and

> > > eventual wide spread there- wouldn't take much. For example,

the

> >triskalian,

> > > the 3 pointed star so popular in Celtic art, is popping up on

everything

> >now

> > > in America, because it LOOKS COOL and for no other reason.

> > >

> > > There are no findings of elephant heads on anything in Europe.

Period. I

> > > haven't seen an elephant head on ANYTHING found in ALL of

Europe from

> > > ancient times in archaeological books, but you do find other

similar

> >things,

> > > like Goat's heads on a human body, in other words, you find

animals

> >native

> > > to the place as being deity parts.

> > >

> > > There certainly could have been one huge kingdom- even Rome

controlled

> > > government in all of Europe, and much of Asia in it's day, and

Greece

> >had a

> > > huge empire at one point. It's certainly believable that

before

> >recorded

> > > history, and before remembered history, India too had it's time

in

> >ruling

> > > the world, more or less.

> > >

> > > When I see, as I have, the very very dark people of South India

and

> >Africa,

> > > and the very very white people of Denmark, I'm struck as to how

these

> >two

> > > could evolve from one, but it is possible, and conceivable.

It's also

> > > possible that they came from on the one hand the same original

stock,

> >and

> > > then on the other hand got input of DNA from outside sources,

alien

> >sources,

> > > or that various demigods started their own "downlines" on

Earth. We

> >don¹t

> > > know.

> > >

> > > Of all the creation tales from various cultures I've heard, the

Vedic

> >one is

> > > the most complete, well documented and even believeable. Some

are very

> >vague

> > > in comparison, and some, like Irish, don't have a creation tale

at all.

> >Of

> > > course, the Irish and Celts have to be forgiven this in the now

because

> >in

> > > the "then" they were against writing, and what is preserved was

done so

> >by

> > > outsiders moreso. The true ancient Celtic beliefs are unknown,

and will

> > > remain so, it seems, like an extinct animal, they're gone.

> > >

> > > We do know that at the time Krishna and the Pandavas were

purported to

> >have

> > > existed, say 5000 years ago, at that same time Egypt was

thriving in

> >it's

> > > own way, which was very different from Vedic. We have

archaeological

> >records

> > > of many other cultures existing at that time as well, all with

differing

> > > cultures from Vedic- other Gods, other Rites and Rituals, other

Dress,

> >other

> > > Alphabet, etc etc. So the world was not "one completely" 5000

years ago,

> > > certainly not. However, it is possible that there was a great

> >civilization

> > > holding sway and power over the others, that could be so. But

for one

> >big

> > > Vedic culture with Sanskrit spoken worldwide and Vedic

everything spread

> > > worldwide, there is no evidence of that other than the small

pieces of

> > > evidence like the Swastika, and some Sanskrit words, other

traces, to

> > > indicate exposure perhaps? Or, perhaps way out of sight, very

long ago,

> > > there was that huge Vedic worldwide thing, and it's all melted

away,

> > > perhaps.

> > >

> > > ????

> > >

> > > I'm living in the question, rather than the answer.

> > >

> > > Rick

> > > Das

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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