Jyotish Spreading in the Old World (incl Sanskrit)-

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Hello dear Juliana and the List Members,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

Yes, I am speaking as per the knowledge of the Vedas accepted by the great

Spiritual Masters from the very beginning of the creation of this universe.

The Language is Sanskrit. The Culture or Religion is Vedic and the

followers of the Vedic Culture/Relgion are known as Aryan and the eternel

existence of the Living beings are known as Sanatana.

 

Thank you very much. Hari BOL.

 

With my best wishes and regards...........AMAR PURI.

 

>Juliana Swanson <omhamsa

>valist

>valist

>Re: Jyotish Spreading in the Old World (incl Sanskrit)-

>Wed, 9 Mar 2005 05:28:58 -0800 (PST)

>

>

>Am I correct that the ancient language of the Vedas

>precedes the Sanskrit language? If so, this fits with

>what you are teaching, that the Indian Aryans preceded

>the Indo-Europeans. Thank you for your wisdom.

>Juliana

>

>

>

>

>--- fas fas <foreignersassistance wrote:

>

> >

> > Hello dear Juliana and the List Members,

> >

> > Hare Krishna.

> >

> > You wrote ;

> >

> > " No matter where Atlantis is, the Indo-European

> > cultures do have a

> > common language origin as well as many similar

> > socio-cultural

> > traditions, as an example which Das has mentioned

> > previously

> > concerning the similarities between the ancient Celt

> > and Indian

> > cultures."

> >

> > As I wrote in my earlier email today on this forum

> > that the Maharaja Yayati,

> > grandson of Maharaja Prikshit, gave his Two sons to

> > rule the part of the

> > world known as Greek, Rome or Italy and eastern

> > european region. So at that

> > time, there was only on ruler at Histanapur, known

> > as New Delhi, India under

> > the control of various kings ruling the planet

> > earth. Since there was one

> > Ruler, One Religion known as Vedic Culture,

> > therefore, the people following

> > the religion (Vedic Culture) were known as Aryan or

> > Arya.

> >

> > As the time passed by people from these origin came

> > to be known as Aryan who

> > invaded India. That is what it is recorded and we

> > all believe in it. As a

> > matter of fact Indo-European people are the earlier

> > stock of Aryan, also

> > known as civilized people following the Vedic

> > injuctions (Culture).

> >

> > That is how the Vedic knowledge including Jyotish

> > were / are present in that

> > part of world which we are discussisng. More later.

> >

> > Hari BOL.

> >

> > With my best wishes..............AMAR PURI.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >"omhamsa" <omhamsa

> > >valist

> > >valist

> > >Re: Jyotish Spreading in the Old

> > World (incl

> > >Sanskrit)-origins in Atlantis?

> > >Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:52:49 -0000

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Re: correlations between gods from different

> > cultures, there may be

> > >a connection between the Greek Dionysus and an

> > ancient contemporary

> > >of Indra, a god named Dyaus-Nahusha, though I do

> > not know much about

> > >him except I believe Indra killed him.

> > Dyaus-Nahusha may have a

> > >connection to ancient Atlantis, from where all

> > Indo-European

> > >cultures may have originated. The seven

> > Indo-European families are:

> > >1.Celtic

> > >2.Teutonic (Germanic)

> > >3.Slavo-Lithuanic

> > >4.Italic

> > >5.Greek

> > >6.Persian

> > >7.Sanskritic or Indian ("Indu"="Hindoo")

> > >

> > >Historian John Baldwin (_Prehistoric Nations_)

> > writes that the

> > >Aryans (Indo-Europeans) were in Europe since the

> > Stone Age, whereas

> > >the Aryans in Asia appeared slightly later, so

> > evidently, they

> > >migrated eastward. As some believe that the Vedas

> > date back to 2000

> > >B.C., there is archeological evidence that the

> > Celts were in Western

> > >Europe three-thousand years before that. According

> > to Baldwin, the

> > >Aryans moved down to India from the Punjabi

> > regions, so that perhaps

> > >they did originally come from Europe and before

> > that, Atlantis.

> > >

> > >There is some evidence that the origin of the

> > Indo-European culture

> > >was ancient Atlantis, and there is some new

> > speculation that

> > >Atlantis was actually Ireland. Recently, a Swedish

> > geographer named

> > >Ulf Erlingsson wrote a book explaining his theory

> > that the geography

> > >and land of Atlantis described by Plato match

> > Ireland almost

> > >exactly. His book is titled _Atlantis from a

> > Geographer's

> > >Perspective: Mapping the Fairy Land_. See:

> > >http://www.nightly.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?

> > >ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=000058;p=0

> > >

> > >Erlingsson believes that the myth about Atlantis

> > sinking came from

> > >the area of Dogger Bank in the North Sea, about 60

> > miles off the

> > >northeastern coast of England, which did sink after

> > being hit by a

> > >huge wave around 6,100 BC. He writes, "I suspect

> > that myth came from

> > >Ireland and it derives from Dogger Bank. I think

> > the memory of

> > >Dogger Bank was probably preserved in Ireland for

> > around 3,000 years

> > >and became mixed up with the story of Atlantis."

> > >

> > >No matter where Atlantis is, the Indo-European

> > cultures do have a

> > >common language origin as well as many similar

> > socio-cultural

> > >traditions, as an example which Das has mentioned

> > previously

> > >concerning the similarities between the ancient

> > Celt and Indian

> > >cultures.

> > >

> > >Best regards,

> > >Juliana Swanson

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Hello dear Juliana and the List Members,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

Juliana wrote ;

 

"These theories still do not explain any

connections with ancient Atlantis though...can you

share any ideas on this, please? "

 

The connection is there. It all depends upon how one perceives it. One has

to see the connections through the eyes of the Vedas (Knowledge) because our

material senses are imperfect.

 

Just like the Sun is there always. It may come before your vision or not -

the sun is there and open to everyone. But if you are fortunate you come

before the Sun.

 

Hari BOL.

 

With my best wishes and regards..........AMAR PURI.

 

 

>Juliana Swanson <omhamsa

>valist

>valist

>Re: Jyotish Spreading in the Old World (incl Sanskrit)-

>Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:18:28 -0800 (PST)

>

>

>Dear Amar Puri and list members,

>

> The views of the ancient rishis that you espouse

>have been supported by the eminent Vedic scholar Dr.

>David Frawley in numerous articles and in his book

>_Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient

>Civilization_. Dr. Frawley's research proposes that

>ancient India is the greatest and most central of

>ancient cultures, and that the Vedic texts are a

>record of history that goes back perhaps thousands of

>years further than presumed by earlier scholars.

>

> As you have suggested, Dr. Frawley also proposes

>that the Indo-Europeans and other Aryan peoples were

>migrants from India, not that the Indo-Aryans were

>invaders into India, which countless historians have

>led us to believe before now.

>

> These theories still do not explain any

>connections with ancient Atlantis though...can you

>share any ideas on this, please?

>

>Thank you for your wisdom,

>Hari Bol! with best wishes to you,

>Juliana Swanson

>

>--- fas fas <foreignersassistance wrote:

>

> >

> > Hello dear Juliana and the List Members,

> >

> > Hare Krishna.

> >

> > Yes, I am speaking as per the knowledge of the Vedas

> > accepted by the great

> > Spiritual Masters from the very beginning of the

> > creation of this universe.

> > The Language is Sanskrit. The Culture or Religion

> > is Vedic and the

> > followers of the Vedic Culture/Relgion are known as

> > Aryan and the eternel

> > existence of the Living beings are known as

> > Sanatana.

> >

> > Thank you very much. Hari BOL.

> >

> > With my best wishes and regards...........AMAR PURI.

> >

> > >Juliana Swanson <omhamsa

> > >valist

> > >valist

> > >Re: Jyotish Spreading in the Old

> > World (incl Sanskrit)-

> > >Wed, 9 Mar 2005 05:28:58 -0800 (PST)

> > >

> > >

> > >Am I correct that the ancient language of the Vedas

> > >precedes the Sanskrit language? If so, this fits

> > with

> > >what you are teaching, that the Indian Aryans

> > preceded

> > >the Indo-Europeans. Thank you for your wisdom.

> > >Juliana

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >--- fas fas <foreignersassistance

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hello dear Juliana and the List Members,

> > > >

> > > > Hare Krishna.

> > > >

> > > > You wrote ;

> > > >

> > > > " No matter where Atlantis is, the Indo-European

> > > > cultures do have a

> > > > common language origin as well as many similar

> > > > socio-cultural

> > > > traditions, as an example which Das has

> > mentioned

> > > > previously

> > > > concerning the similarities between the ancient

> > Celt

> > > > and Indian

> > > > cultures."

> > > >

> > > > As I wrote in my earlier email today on this

> > forum

> > > > that the Maharaja Yayati,

> > > > grandson of Maharaja Prikshit, gave his Two sons

> > to

> > > > rule the part of the

> > > > world known as Greek, Rome or Italy and eastern

> > > > european region. So at that

> > > > time, there was only on ruler at Histanapur,

> > known

> > > > as New Delhi, India under

> > > > the control of various kings ruling the planet

> > > > earth. Since there was one

> > > > Ruler, One Religion known as Vedic Culture,

> > > > therefore, the people following

> > > > the religion (Vedic Culture) were known as Aryan

> > or

> > > > Arya.

> > > >

> > > > As the time passed by people from these origin

> > came

> > > > to be known as Aryan who

> > > > invaded India. That is what it is recorded and

> > we

> > > > all believe in it. As a

> > > > matter of fact Indo-European people are the

> > earlier

> > > > stock of Aryan, also

> > > > known as civilized people following the Vedic

> > > > injuctions (Culture).

> > > >

> > > > That is how the Vedic knowledge including

> > Jyotish

> > > > were / are present in that

> > > > part of world which we are discussisng. More

> > later.

> > > >

> > > > Hari BOL.

> > > >

> > > > With my best wishes..............AMAR PURI.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >"omhamsa" <omhamsa

> > > > >valist

> > > > >valist

> > > > >Re: Jyotish Spreading in the Old

> > > > World (incl

> > > > >Sanskrit)-origins in Atlantis?

> > > > >Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:52:49 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Re: correlations between gods from different

> > > > cultures, there may be

> > > > >a connection between the Greek Dionysus and an

> > > > ancient contemporary

> > > > >of Indra, a god named Dyaus-Nahusha, though I

> > do

> > > > not know much about

> > > > >him except I believe Indra killed him.

> > > > Dyaus-Nahusha may have a

> > > > >connection to ancient Atlantis, from where all

> > > > Indo-European

> > > > >cultures may have originated. The seven

> > > > Indo-European families are:

> > > > >1.Celtic

> > > > >2.Teutonic (Germanic)

> > > > >3.Slavo-Lithuanic

> > > > >4.Italic

> > > > >5.Greek

> > > > >6.Persian

> > > > >7.Sanskritic or Indian ("Indu"="Hindoo")

> > > > >

> > > > >Historian John Baldwin (_Prehistoric Nations_)

> > > > writes that the

> > > > >Aryans (Indo-Europeans) were in Europe since

> > the

> > > > Stone Age, whereas

> > > > >the Aryans in Asia appeared slightly later, so

> > > > evidently, they

> > > > >migrated eastward. As some believe that the

> > Vedas

> > > > date back to 2000

> > > > >B.C., there is archeological evidence that the

> > > > Celts were in Western

> > > > >Europe three-thousand years before that.

> > According

> > > > to Baldwin, the

> > > > >Aryans moved down to India from the Punjabi

> > > > regions, so that perhaps

> > > > >they did originally come from Europe and before

> > > > that, Atlantis.

> > > > >

> > > > >There is some evidence that the origin of the

> > > > Indo-European culture

> > > > >was ancient Atlantis, and there is some new

> > > > speculation that

> > > > >Atlantis was actually Ireland. Recently, a

> > Swedish

> > > > geographer named

> > > > >Ulf Erlingsson wrote a book explaining his

> > theory

> > > > that the geography

> > > > >and land of Atlantis described by Plato match

> > > > Ireland almost

> > > > >exactly. His book is titled _Atlantis from a

> > > > Geographer's

> > > > >Perspective: Mapping the Fairy Land_. See:

> > > > >http://www.nightly.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?

> > > > >ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=000058;p=0

> > > > >

> > > > >Erlingsson believes that the myth about

> > Atlantis

> > > > sinking came from

> > > > >the area of Dogger Bank in the North Sea, about

> > 60

> > > > miles off the

> > > > >northeastern coast of England, which did sink

> > after

> > > > being hit by a

> > > > >huge wave around 6,100 BC. He writes, "I

> > suspect

> > > > that myth came from

> > > > >Ireland and it derives from Dogger Bank. I

> > think

> > > > the memory of

> > > > >Dogger Bank was probably preserved in Ireland

> > for

> > > > around 3,000 years

> > > > >and became mixed up with the story of

> > Atlantis."

> > > > >

> > > > >No matter where Atlantis is, the Indo-European

> > > > cultures do have a

> > > > >common language origin as well as many similar

> > > > socio-cultural

> > > > >traditions, as an example which Das has

> > mentioned

> >

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Dear Friends,

 

Let me tell some of my understanding/thoughts from the perpective

of Puranas and Itihaas.

 

To begin, let me define

 

Purana(Ancient): Ancient Literatures containing stories about

creation, destruction, The Lineage from first forefathers

(called Prajapati in sanskrit), Incarnations etc. Usually these

are stories passed from generation to generation.

Later documented and codified for future generations.

These usually contain alegorical stories where complex

ideas needed to be presented. Every Major period called

manvantara a Rishi is born to codify the knowledge.

This Rishi is called VedaVyaasa(Meaning subtender of Vedas;

Vyasa mean diagnol in geometry).

The current Manvantar's VedaVyasa is Krishna Dwaipayana Vyasa.

 

Itihaas: History, These text contains documention of specific

event in history. Usually in important turning points in

History the Documentor (Rishi) born before the event itself.

Like Vyasa was born before Mahabharata, Valmiki for Ramayana.

 

Now Puranas, Have important sub parts local to geography of the

location it's called Sthala(Station is derived from 'sth') Purana.

This is local to the place and explains the divinity associated

with that place. Places like Thirupathi, Rameshawaram, ShriRangam,

all shakti Peethas (Places where special powers of shakti are seen)

, etc have their own Sthala Purana. These Sthala Purana may or

maynot appear in the Common Purana.

 

There are many locations not yet idenfied from Purana's For example

there are supposed to 1008 Shakti Peethas(Places) where diving

mother's energy is seen. They are all over the world. Only hundred

odd around India is identified and regularly worshipped.

 

So in summary, All the places may not find description in Purana's

The local history is very important to associate with the dieties

local to the place. This is the kind of concept used in Graama

(Village) devata(diety). Local Landmasses (even continents I would

think) have local dieites taking care of protection.

 

Study of Ancient stories from Native people is very important for

this.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P.

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

valist, Juliana Swanson <omhamsa> wrote:

> Hi Das et al...

>

> I do not feel there HAS to be a connection between a

> mythical lost Atlantis and India...there may or may

> not be...I certainly do not know enough about it but

> am interested in your ideas, digging deeper, finding

> connections.

>

> The Gauls of France, the Celts of Ireland and

> Scotland, the people of the Azores and Canary islands,

> the Basques of Spain, the Frysians of the Netherlands,

> and many American Indian tribes all speak of their

> origins in a lost and sunken island in the Atlantic.

>

> There are supposedly some links between the Hopi tribe

> and the ancient Dravidian culture of India. One author

> named Gene Matlock suggests that Kokopelli was an

> ancient Hindu

> god...http://www.viewzone.com/kokopeli.html

>

> There may be some physical resemblance between the

> Hopi and certain extractions of South India.

>

> Thanks,

> Juliana

>

>

>

>

>