Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Dear Rick, I dislike dogma & cults but I wont throw the baby out with the bath water, in a manner of speaking. We can take what we want or need & let the rest be. As for Christ/krishna, Ultimately they are both representations of Universal Consciousness.... & us, being made of material ( Devi Shakti/ Mother mary ) stuff, we are irrevocably tied to the laws of physics one of which is the Law of cause & effect or Karma if you will. Simplistically put, if I stick my finger in the fire, it will burn..... or looking at it another way, If I keep drawing from the bank without putting any money in, sooner or later I will have to face my consequential debit and if I die before they can put me in the debtors prison, then my children would be held responsible until they clear my debts. On a brighter note, they would also inherit any investments I might leave behind. Its probably futile, hating / blaming mother ( by birth or adoption or representation )for reminding one. As I see it, resistance, lack of acceptance, value judgements etc: these are some of the stuff pain is made of. On my best days, I experience taking full personal responsibility, as pure freedom. I`m lovingly sharing some of my conclusions from personal experiences. Hope they do not offend. In one of your posts you have talked about the difficulties of matching mythological figures from different cultures. I was wondering if it would make this easier if we matched Archetypes rather than names & myths as these can be adjusted to accomodate socio-geographic circumstances. For example, Demeter / Parvati or Kronos / Shani....just contemplating...... Hari Om. Shabnam -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: Das Goravani [] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Marz 2005 22:00 An: valist Betreff: Re: Bhagwat Thumping > Is it not true that you are one of the initiated devotee of the Lord Shri > Krishna? Therefore,you are in the parampara regardless how you feel, think, >act and believe or disbelive, accept or reject out of your free WILL. You sound just like my mother, who used to tell me that since I'm baptized I am Catholic, and Jesus owns me, and I'll be back, no matter what. "YOU'RE A CATHOLIC" she used to yell, when I talked about Krishna. Now you're telling me "You're a Vaisnava, no matter what!" So, for those who are watching this, this is about a Vaisnava or Hindu Orthodox Disciplic Succession principle that says that you are eternally owned by your Guru and the Succession (Parampara) he is in. So, I am now "permanently a Vaisnava under Sridhar Maharaj, even in the afterlife". This is very similar to some other religions. This is a very mechanistic, personalistic, view, similar to Catholics, Mormons, and many others. It's almost to the point of burying people with their cars and servants for the trip, like ancient China, Egypt, and so on. These Vaisnavas venerate little chips of cloth from past Gurus, like Catholics venerate even the body parts of past Saints. Interesting Stuff. Us humans trying to figure out where we are, what we are, and so on, and get saved, saved from future suffering, saved from not understanding, saved from being lower than we think is acceptable, and so on. Das Goravani, Pres. Service http://www.dancingmooninc.com Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Kronos might well be Shani (well he is equated with the Roman god Saturn anyways) or might not. Thinking about this whole understanding the Gods thing... makes me laugh sometimes. Kinda akin to an ant trying to figure out human beings, but never being able to. >"Bioacoustics" <bioacoustics >valist ><valist> >AW: Bhagwat Thumping >Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:19:02 +0100 > > >Dear Rick, > >I dislike dogma & cults but I wont throw the baby out with the bath water, >in a manner of speaking. > >We can take what we want or need & let the rest be. > >As for Christ/krishna, Ultimately they are both representations of >Universal Consciousness.... & us, being made of material ( Devi Shakti/ >Mother mary ) stuff, we are irrevocably tied to the laws of physics one of >which is the Law of cause & effect or Karma if you will. >Simplistically put, if I stick my finger in the fire, it will burn..... or >looking at it another way, If I keep drawing from the bank without putting >any money in, sooner or later I will have to face my consequential debit >and >if I die before they can put me in the debtors prison, then my children >would be held responsible until they clear my debts. >On a brighter note, they would also inherit any investments I might leave >behind. > >Its probably futile, hating / blaming mother ( by birth or adoption or >representation )for reminding one. > >As I see it, resistance, lack of acceptance, value judgements etc: these >are >some of the stuff pain is made of. On my best days, I experience taking >full >personal responsibility, as pure freedom. > >I`m lovingly sharing some of my conclusions from personal experiences. Hope >they do not offend. > >In one of your posts you have talked about the difficulties of matching >mythological figures from different cultures. I was wondering if it would >make this easier if we matched Archetypes rather than names & myths as >these >can be adjusted to accomodate socio-geographic circumstances. For example, >Demeter / Parvati or Kronos / Shani....just contemplating...... > >Hari Om. > >Shabnam > > > > > > > >-----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- >Von: Das Goravani [] >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Marz 2005 22:00 >An: valist >Betreff: Re: Bhagwat Thumping > > > > > > Is it not true that you are one of the initiated devotee of the Lord >Shri > > Krishna? Therefore,you are in the parampara regardless how you feel, >think, > >act and believe or disbelive, accept or reject out of your free WILL. > >You sound just like my mother, who used to tell me that since I'm baptized >I >am Catholic, and Jesus owns me, and I'll be back, no matter what. "YOU'RE A >CATHOLIC" she used to yell, when I talked about Krishna. Now you're telling >me "You're a Vaisnava, no matter what!" > >So, for those who are watching this, this is about a Vaisnava or Hindu >Orthodox Disciplic Succession principle that says that you are eternally >owned by your Guru and the Succession (Parampara) he is in. So, I am now >"permanently a Vaisnava under Sridhar Maharaj, even in the afterlife". > >This is very similar to some other religions. This is a very mechanistic, >personalistic, view, similar to Catholics, Mormons, and many others. > >It's almost to the point of burying people with their cars and servants for >the trip, like ancient China, Egypt, and so on. These Vaisnavas venerate >little chips of cloth from past Gurus, like Catholics venerate even the >body >parts of past Saints. > >Interesting Stuff. Us humans trying to figure out where we are, what we >are, and so on, and get saved, saved from future suffering, saved from not >understanding, saved from being lower than we think is acceptable, and so >on. > > > >Das Goravani, Pres. > > > > >Service > > > > > >http://www.dancingmooninc.com > Links > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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