attn. Ashutosh, the Astrologer

March 10, 2005

Dear Astrologer Ashutosh,

Hare Krishna.

Kindly read my comments in CAP LETTERS appended below your message.

Hari BOL.

With my best wishes and regards.........Amar PURI.

>"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

>valist

><valist>

>Re: Maha Shivratri

>Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:38:10 +0530

>

>Dear Mohan Ji,

> Astrology should be studied as a science

>independent

>of religious boundaries.

YES, ASTROLOGY IS AN ASTRAL SCIENCE WHICH IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE VEDAS.

VEDA TEACHES THE RELEGION, A CERTAIN SET OF UNIVERSAL REGULATION, TO KNOW

GOD AND LOVE GOD. ISN'T IT ?

SO, HOW CAN YOU STUDY THE DIVINE SCIENCE INDEPENDENTLY WITHOUT RELIGIOUS

BOUNDARIES, AS YOU WROTE ?

For example, to a Hindu, one can say that he should

>worship Hanuman for propitiating Mars. But, that cannot be told to a person

>who has a different religion.

AS AN ASTROLOGER, ONE HAS TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE PLANET. IN YOUR

EXAMPLE MARS WHICH IS A FIREY PLANET, YOU CAN ADVISE THE NATIVE TO EXERCISE

AND HAVE LOT OF PATIENCES. DO CHARITY WORK AND SO ON. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS

THAT.

Astrological predictions should be made

>keeping in mind the Desh(region), Kaal(period), and Sanskriti(culture) of

>the native.

WHY ?

A good astrologer should be open minded and ready to accept all

>opinions.

AGREED.

I am an atheist but I don't want everyone to be like me. Its my

>way of life which satisfies me but it cannot be the same with everyone.

YES, THAT IS WHAT WE STUDY AND LEARN THROUGH THE HELP OF ASTROLOGY HOW TO

SHAPE UP THE DESTINY WITH OUR FREE WILL. ISN'T IT ?

IF YOU EARNESTLY SO DESIRE, YOU CAN DO THAT TOO. ASK ME HOW AND I SHALL

HELP AND GUIDE YOU.

>

> I respect your feelings. It is our mutual admiration and love

>for

>astrology which has brought us in this group.

YOU ARE VERY WELCOME. FEEL FREE TO WRITE.

HARI BOL. OM TAT SAT.

BEST WISHES AND REGARDS..........AMAR PURI.

>

>Ashutosh.

>

><valist>

>Wednesday, March 09, 2005 04:45

>Re: Maha Shivratri

>

> >

> > Hello dear Mohan,

> >

> > Hare Krishna.

> >

> > THOSE WHO HAVE WILL BE GIVEN MORE

> > THOSE WHO HAVE NONE WILL BE GONE.

> >

> > So my friend, you can only share what you have. Give what you have.

>Let

> > the energy flow freely.

> > Distribute the holy name of Lord Shiva, who is non other than the

> > representation of Lord Shri Krishna. Let us glory the holy name of the

>Lord

> > according to one's capacity of understanding the Supreme Lord.

> >

> > This forum (Thanks to our great Mahajan Shri Das Prabhu) is composed of

> > people coming from all walks of different believe and / or religion.

>The

> > true (ultimate) believe or religion is to KNOW GOD and LOVE GOD. So,

>all

> > religions, Muslim, Christianity, Hindu, Buddhist and so on has one or

>more

> > thing in common which falls under the catagory of Devotion (Bhakti).

>More

> > Later on this.

> >

> > So, let us continue to glorify the Supreme Lord.

> >

> > Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

> >

> > With my best wishes and regards...........AMAR PURI.

> >

> > >"Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan

> > >valist

> > >Re: Maha Shivratri

> > >Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:54:33 -0000

> > >

> > >Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevay

> > >

> > >Dear Shri Amar,

> > >Dhanyavad. I now

> > >do not feel like writing to Ashutosh ji

> > >after reading your posting. Even his

> > >name is after Lord Shiva! May GOD

> > >Bless him!

> > >Om Shri

> > >Krishnarpanamastu.

> > >Himanshu

> > >Mohan

> > >--- In

> > >valist, "fas fas"

> > ><foreignersassistance@h...>

> > >wrote:

> > > > Hello dear Astrologer

> > >Ashutosh and the list members,

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Hare Krishna.

> > > >

> > > > Ashutosh, the

> > >Astrologer wrote ; " I am an atheist

> > >who does not feel the

> > > > need to

> > >worship anyone or anything.........". As

> > >an Astrologer, we study

> > > > the TIME

> > >and Planets SUN, MOON and so on to

> > >help other people. You believe

> > > > in

> > >TIME and the planets. That is why you

> > >are an Astrologer. Isn't It ?

> > > >

> > > > Shri

> > >Krishana speaks to Arjuna in the

> > >Bhagavat Gita , "Aham sarvasya

> > > >

> > >prabhavo , mattah sarvam

> > >pravartate, iti matva bhajante

> > >mam, budha

> > > > bhava-samanvitah.

> > >(Bhag. Ch.10-Text 8)." Shri Krishana

> > >says singularly, "

> > > > I AM THE SOURCE

> > >OF ALL SPIRITUAL AND MATERIAL

> > >WORLDS. EVERYTHING EMANATES

> > > >

> > >FROM ME. THE WISE WHO KNOW THIS

> > >PERFECTLY ENGAGE IN MY DEVOTIONAL

> > >SERVICE

> > > > AND WORSHIP ME WITH ALL

> > >THEIR HEARTS." The translation of the

> > >above Shloka

> > > > (Text) by one of the

> > >greatest world reknown modern

> > >days philosophical

> > > > Scholar of

> > >Sanskrit, Bengali, English, and the

> > >Spiritual Master His

> > > > Divine Grace A.

> > >C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

> > >Prabhupada (my Siksa Gurudev) also

> > >

> > > > states and confirms this in his

> > >writing of English translation of

> > > >

> > >Bhagavad-gita , Srimad Bhagavatam

> > >and other revealed Vedic

> > >literature.

> > > >

> > > > Further more it is

> > >said in the Atharva-Veda ; brahmanyo

> > >devaki-putrah ;

> > > > The son of Devaki,

> > >Krishana is the Supreme Personality

> > >and it continues, "

> > > > In the beginning

> > >of the creation there was only the

> > >Supreme Personality,

> > > > Shri

> > >Narayana (Krishana). There was no

> > >Brahma, no Siva, no fire, no moon,

> > > >

> > >no stars in the sky, no sun. There was

> > >only Krishana who creates all and

> > > >

> > >enjoys all." This is further confirmed

> > >in Chapter 10 Text 20 of Bhagavad

> > > >

> > >gita in which Lord Shri Krishana

> > >states, "I am the Self, O Gudakesa ,

> > >seated

> > > > in the hearts of all

> > >creatures. I am the beginning, the

> > >middle and the end

> > > > of all

> > >beings."

> > > >

> > > > From Ch.10 - Text 21,

> > >Lord Shri Krishana states, "Of the

> > >Adityas I am Visnu,

> > > > of lights I am the

> > >radiant Sun, I am Marici of the Maruts,

> > >and among the

> > > > stars I am the

> > >MOON."

> > > > Further Text 22 - ch.10

> > >states, "Of the Vedas I am the Sama-

> > >veda; of the

> > > > demigods I am Indra; of

> > >the senses I am the mind, and in living

> > >beings I am

> > > > the living force." Text

> > >23 says, "Of all the Rudras I am Lord

> > >Siva; of the

> > > > Yaksas and Raksasas I

> > >am the lord of wealth (Kuvera);, of

> > >the Vasus I am

> > > > fire (Agni), and of

> > >the mountains I am Meru." Text 24

> > >reads, "Of priests, O

> > > > Arjuna, know

> > >me to be the chief, Brhaspati, the lord

> > >of devotion. Of

> > > > generals I am

> > >Skanda, the lord of war; and of bodies

> > >of water I am the

> > > > Ocean." Text 25

> > >further reads, "Of the great sages I

> > >am Bhrgu; of vibrations

> > > > I am the

> > >transcendental OM. Of sacrifices I am

> > >the chanting of the holy

> > > > names

> > >(japa) and of immovable things I am

> > >the Himalayas." Text 32 ch. 10

> > > > also

> > >states , "Of all creations I am the

> > >beginning and the end and also the

> > > >

> > >middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the

> > >spiritual science of the Self,

> > > > and

> > >among logicians I am the conclusive

> > >truth."

> > > >

> > > > Text 39 of Ch. 10

> > >continues to state further; " O

> > >Arjuna, I am the

> > > > generating seed

> > >of all existences. There is no being -

> > >moving or

> > > > unmoving-that can

> > >exist without Me."

> > > > Text 40 & 42 ,

> > >Ch.10 Lord Shri Krishana says, "O

> > >mighty conqueror of

> > > > enemies,

> > >there is no end to My divine

> > >manifestations. What I have spoken

> > >to

> > > > you is but a mere indication of

> > >My infinite opulences." " But what

> > >need is

> > > > there, Arjuna, for all this

> > >detailed knowledge? With a single

> > >fragment of

> > > > Myself I pervade and

> > >support this entire universe."

> > > >

> > >Chapter 9 - Text 11, Lord Shri

> > >Krishana says to Arjuna, " Fools

> > >deride Me

> > > > when I descend in the

> > >human form. They do not know My

> > >transcendental nature

> > > > and My

> > >supreme dominion over all that

> > >be."

> > > >

> > > > The Lord descends to this

> > >mortal world to show His pastimes

> > >(Lila) in

> > > > Vrndavana which are full of

> > >happiness. The total population of

> > >Vrndavana

> > > > knew nothing but

> > >Krishana. But Lord Krishana even

> > >discouraged His father

> > > > Nanda

> > >Maharaja from worshiping the

> > >demigod Indra because He wanted to

> > >

> > > > establish the fact that people

> > >need not worship any demigod. They

> > >need only

> > > > worship the Supreme

> > >Lord because their ultimate goal is to

> > >return to His

> > > > abode. In chapter 15 ,

> > >verse (Text) 6, the abode of Lord Sri

> > >Krishana is

> > > > described. "The abode

> > >of Mine is not illumined by the sun or

> > >moon, nor by

> > > > fire or electricity.

> > > >

> > >

> > > > It goes on and on. So, if you are an

> > >Atheist and denying the very

> > >existence

> > > > of the Creator what

> > >you are studying and practising

> > >Astrology, a part of the

> > > > Veda, in

> > >my opinion, you are contradicting to

> > >yourself. I do not know why

> > > > you

> > >are calling yourself an Atheist and

> > >yet, practising the divine science

> > > >

> > >of Astrology the same time, you have

> > >lot of explaining to do to yourself.

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Hope the above is helpful.

> > > >

> > >Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

> > > >

> > > > With my

> > >best wishes.................AMAR PURI.

> > > >

> > > >"astrologerashutosh"

> > ><astrologerashutosh>

> > > >

> > >valist

> > > > >To:

> > >valist

> > > >

> > > >Maha Shivratri

> > > >

> > > >Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:58:54 -

> > >0000

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear astro-

> > >philes,

> > > > > I am an atheist who does

> > >not feel the need to

> > > > >worship

> > >anyone or anything. But, I am always

> > >fascinated by the origins

> > > > >of

> > >religions and rituals all over the

> > >world.

> > > > > Siva linga and Yoni are

> > >worshipped together. Why? Is it a

> > > >

> > > >subliminal acceptance and release

> > >of sexual tensions, or deitification

> > > >

> > > >of sex as a holy act? Could it be a

> > >realization of the importance of

> > > >

> > > >procreation act as a prime

> > >requirement for human

> > >existence.

> > > > > We are today too

> > >ashamed to see sexual acts or sights

> > >in public.

> > > > >But, here we find sex

> > >organs being worshipped. I am not

> > >religious at

> > > > >all but I believe that all

> > >rituals arose from a genuine need to

> > >guide

> > > > >people towards better

> > >life.

> > > > > Waiting for your replies,

> > > > >

> > >Ashutosh.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >To , send

> > >an email to: valist-

> > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Links

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> >

> > Links

> >

>

Links

>

March 10, 2005

Dear Amar Puri ji,

I have always studied astrology without any

religious inclinations or boundaries. Till now I haven't faced any

difficulty in my work because of lack of religious touch. I understand that

for one who is highly religious it will be difficult to imagine life without

it. As I said earlier, I am not ignorant about religion. In fact, I have

studied all religions deeply going to the extent of keeping Rozas during

muslim Ramzan to understand true meaning of God and divinity. Sorry to say

that, but my simple brain is not evolved enough to enjoy bhakti and

devotion.

I haven't seen God but I can see humans all around me. In the name God

I won't do anything but I can sacrifice my life for mankind. You worship

Krishna as God, I study him like a man, a true man. To understand greatness

of Krishna or Jesus christ, don't consider them Gods but men made of flesh

and blood like us and having same emotions and desires too. Then, imagine

would you do what they did. Their greatness lies in their acts as men not as

Gods. By worshipping them we are simply under valueing their sacrifices.

Instead, we should try to emulate them or, if possible, do better than them.

I know my above views are indigestable to most of the people. But,

true vedic culture teaches us to question and demand answers. It welcomes

new ideas and there is also a procedure called shastratha. Vedic culture is

the only culture which grants freedom of thought. It is not a religion but a

way of life.

Ashutosh.

-

fas fas <foreignersassistance

Friday, March 11, 2005 07:48

Re: attn. Ashutosh, the Astrologer

>

> Dear Astrologer Ashutosh,

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> Kindly read my comments in CAP LETTERS appended below your message.

>

> Hari BOL.

>

> With my best wishes and regards.........Amar PURI.

>

> >"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

> >valist

> ><valist>

> >Re: Maha Shivratri

> >Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:38:10 +0530

> >

> >Dear Mohan Ji,

> > Astrology should be studied as a science

> >independent

> >of religious boundaries.

>

> YES, ASTROLOGY IS AN ASTRAL SCIENCE WHICH IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE VEDAS.

> VEDA TEACHES THE RELEGION, A CERTAIN SET OF UNIVERSAL REGULATION, TO KNOW

> GOD AND LOVE GOD. ISN'T IT ?

>

> SO, HOW CAN YOU STUDY THE DIVINE SCIENCE INDEPENDENTLY WITHOUT RELIGIOUS

> BOUNDARIES, AS YOU WROTE ?

>

> For example, to a Hindu, one can say that he should

> >worship Hanuman for propitiating Mars. But, that cannot be told to a

person

> >who has a different religion.

>

> AS AN ASTROLOGER, ONE HAS TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE PLANET. IN YOUR

> EXAMPLE MARS WHICH IS A FIREY PLANET, YOU CAN ADVISE THE NATIVE TO

EXERCISE

> AND HAVE LOT OF PATIENCES. DO CHARITY WORK AND SO ON. IT IS AS SIMPLE

AS

> THAT.

>

> Astrological predictions should be made

> >keeping in mind the Desh(region), Kaal(period), and Sanskriti(culture) of

> >the native.

>

> WHY ?

>

> A good astrologer should be open minded and ready to accept all

> >opinions.

>

> AGREED.

>

> I am an atheist but I don't want everyone to be like me. Its my

> >way of life which satisfies me but it cannot be the same with everyone.

>

> YES, THAT IS WHAT WE STUDY AND LEARN THROUGH THE HELP OF ASTROLOGY HOW TO

> SHAPE UP THE DESTINY WITH OUR FREE WILL. ISN'T IT ?

>

> IF YOU EARNESTLY SO DESIRE, YOU CAN DO THAT TOO. ASK ME HOW AND I SHALL

> HELP AND GUIDE YOU.

>

> >

> > I respect your feelings. It is our mutual admiration and love

> >for

> >astrology which has brought us in this group.

>

> YOU ARE VERY WELCOME. FEEL FREE TO WRITE.

>

> HARI BOL. OM TAT SAT.

>

> BEST WISHES AND REGARDS..........AMAR PURI.

> >

> >Ashutosh.

> >

> ><valist>

> >Wednesday, March 09, 2005 04:45

> >Re: Maha Shivratri

> >

> > >

> > > Hello dear Mohan,

> > >

> > > Hare Krishna.

> > >

> > > THOSE WHO HAVE WILL BE GIVEN MORE

> > > THOSE WHO HAVE NONE WILL BE GONE.

> > >

> > > So my friend, you can only share what you have. Give what you have.

> >Let

> > > the energy flow freely.

> > > Distribute the holy name of Lord Shiva, who is non other than the

> > > representation of Lord Shri Krishna. Let us glory the holy name of

the

> >Lord

> > > according to one's capacity of understanding the Supreme Lord.

> > >

> > > This forum (Thanks to our great Mahajan Shri Das Prabhu) is composed

of

> > > people coming from all walks of different believe and / or religion.

> >The

> > > true (ultimate) believe or religion is to KNOW GOD and LOVE GOD. So,

> >all

> > > religions, Muslim, Christianity, Hindu, Buddhist and so on has one or

> >more

> > > thing in common which falls under the catagory of Devotion (Bhakti).

> >More

> > > Later on this.

> > >

> > > So, let us continue to glorify the Supreme Lord.

> > >

> > > Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

> > >

> > > With my best wishes and regards...........AMAR PURI.

> > >

> > > >"Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan

> > > >valist

> > > >Re: Maha Shivratri

> > > >Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:54:33 -0000

> > > >

> > > >Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevay

> > > >

> > > >Dear Shri Amar,

> > > >Dhanyavad. I now

> > > >do not feel like writing to Ashutosh ji

> > > >after reading your posting. Even his

> > > >name is after Lord Shiva! May GOD

> > > >Bless him!

> > > >Om Shri

> > > >Krishnarpanamastu.

> > > >Himanshu

> > > >Mohan

> > > >--- In

> > > >valist, "fas fas"

> > > ><foreignersassistance@h...>

> > > >wrote:

> > > > > Hello dear Astrologer

> > > >Ashutosh and the list members,

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Hare Krishna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ashutosh, the

> > > >Astrologer wrote ; " I am an atheist

> > > >who does not feel the

> > > > > need to

> > > >worship anyone or anything.........". As

> > > >an Astrologer, we study

> > > > > the TIME

> > > >and Planets SUN, MOON and so on to

> > > >help other people. You believe

> > > > > in

> > > >TIME and the planets. That is why you

> > > >are an Astrologer. Isn't It ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri

> > > >Krishana speaks to Arjuna in the

> > > >Bhagavat Gita , "Aham sarvasya

> > > > >

> > > >prabhavo , mattah sarvam

> > > >pravartate, iti matva bhajante

> > > >mam, budha

> > > > > bhava-samanvitah.

> > > >(Bhag. Ch.10-Text 8)." Shri Krishana

> > > >says singularly, "

> > > > > I AM THE SOURCE

> > > >OF ALL SPIRITUAL AND MATERIAL

> > > >WORLDS. EVERYTHING EMANATES

> > > > >

> > > >FROM ME. THE WISE WHO KNOW THIS

> > > >PERFECTLY ENGAGE IN MY DEVOTIONAL

> > > >SERVICE

> > > > > AND WORSHIP ME WITH ALL

> > > >THEIR HEARTS." The translation of the

> > > >above Shloka

> > > > > (Text) by one of the

> > > >greatest world reknown modern

> > > >days philosophical

> > > > > Scholar of

> > > >Sanskrit, Bengali, English, and the

> > > >Spiritual Master His

> > > > > Divine Grace A.

> > > >C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

> > > >Prabhupada (my Siksa Gurudev) also

> > > >

> > > > > states and confirms this in his

> > > >writing of English translation of

> > > > >

> > > >Bhagavad-gita , Srimad Bhagavatam

> > > >and other revealed Vedic

> > > >literature.

> > > > >

> > > > > Further more it is

> > > >said in the Atharva-Veda ; brahmanyo

> > > >devaki-putrah ;

> > > > > The son of Devaki,

> > > >Krishana is the Supreme Personality

> > > >and it continues, "

> > > > > In the beginning

> > > >of the creation there was only the

> > > >Supreme Personality,

> > > > > Shri

> > > >Narayana (Krishana). There was no

> > > >Brahma, no Siva, no fire, no moon,

> > > > >

> > > >no stars in the sky, no sun. There was

> > > >only Krishana who creates all and

> > > > >

> > > >enjoys all." This is further confirmed

> > > >in Chapter 10 Text 20 of Bhagavad

> > > > >

> > > >gita in which Lord Shri Krishana

> > > >states, "I am the Self, O Gudakesa ,

> > > >seated

> > > > > in the hearts of all

> > > >creatures. I am the beginning, the

> > > >middle and the end

> > > > > of all

> > > >beings."

> > > > >

> > > > > From Ch.10 - Text 21,

> > > >Lord Shri Krishana states, "Of the

> > > >Adityas I am Visnu,

> > > > > of lights I am the

> > > >radiant Sun, I am Marici of the Maruts,

> > > >and among the

> > > > > stars I am the

> > > >MOON."

> > > > > Further Text 22 - ch.10

> > > >states, "Of the Vedas I am the Sama-

> > > >veda; of the

> > > > > demigods I am Indra; of

> > > >the senses I am the mind, and in living

> > > >beings I am

> > > > > the living force." Text

> > > >23 says, "Of all the Rudras I am Lord

> > > >Siva; of the

> > > > > Yaksas and Raksasas I

> > > >am the lord of wealth (Kuvera);, of

> > > >the Vasus I am

> > > > > fire (Agni), and of

> > > >the mountains I am Meru." Text 24

> > > >reads, "Of priests, O

> > > > > Arjuna, know

> > > >me to be the chief, Brhaspati, the lord

> > > >of devotion. Of

> > > > > generals I am

> > > >Skanda, the lord of war; and of bodies

> > > >of water I am the

> > > > > Ocean." Text 25

> > > >further reads, "Of the great sages I

> > > >am Bhrgu; of vibrations

> > > > > I am the

> > > >transcendental OM. Of sacrifices I am

> > > >the chanting of the holy

> > > > > names

> > > >(japa) and of immovable things I am

> > > >the Himalayas." Text 32 ch. 10

> > > > > also

> > > >states , "Of all creations I am the

> > > >beginning and the end and also the

> > > > >

> > > >middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the

> > > >spiritual science of the Self,

> > > > > and

> > > >among logicians I am the conclusive

> > > >truth."

> > > > >

> > > > > Text 39 of Ch. 10

> > > >continues to state further; " O

> > > >Arjuna, I am the

> > > > > generating seed

> > > >of all existences. There is no being -

> > > >moving or

> > > > > unmoving-that can

> > > >exist without Me."

> > > > > Text 40 & 42 ,

> > > >Ch.10 Lord Shri Krishana says, "O

> > > >mighty conqueror of

> > > > > enemies,

> > > >there is no end to My divine

> > > >manifestations. What I have spoken

> > > >to

> > > > > you is but a mere indication of

> > > >My infinite opulences." " But what

> > > >need is

> > > > > there, Arjuna, for all this

> > > >detailed knowledge? With a single

> > > >fragment of

> > > > > Myself I pervade and

> > > >support this entire universe."

> > > > >

> > > >Chapter 9 - Text 11, Lord Shri

> > > >Krishana says to Arjuna, " Fools

> > > >deride Me

> > > > > when I descend in the

> > > >human form. They do not know My

> > > >transcendental nature

> > > > > and My

> > > >supreme dominion over all that

> > > >be."

> > > > >

> > > > > The Lord descends to this

> > > >mortal world to show His pastimes

> > > >(Lila) in

> > > > > Vrndavana which are full of

> > > >happiness. The total population of

> > > >Vrndavana

> > > > > knew nothing but

> > > >Krishana. But Lord Krishana even

> > > >discouraged His father

> > > > > Nanda

> > > >Maharaja from worshiping the

> > > >demigod Indra because He wanted to

> > > >

> > > > > establish the fact that people

> > > >need not worship any demigod. They

> > > >need only

> > > > > worship the Supreme

> > > >Lord because their ultimate goal is to

> > > >return to His

> > > > > abode. In chapter 15 ,

> > > >verse (Text) 6, the abode of Lord Sri

> > > >Krishana is

> > > > > described. "The abode

> > > >of Mine is not illumined by the sun or

> > > >moon, nor by

> > > > > fire or electricity.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > It goes on and on. So, if you are an

> > > >Atheist and denying the very

> > > >existence

> > > > > of the Creator what

> > > >you are studying and practising

> > > >Astrology, a part of the

> > > > > Veda, in

> > > >my opinion, you are contradicting to

> > > >yourself. I do not know why

> > > > > you

> > > >are calling yourself an Atheist and

> > > >yet, practising the divine science

> > > > >

> > > >of Astrology the same time, you have

> > > >lot of explaining to do to yourself.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Hope the above is helpful.

> > > > >

> > > >Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

> > > > >

> > > > > With my

> > > >best wishes.................AMAR PURI.

> > > > >

> > > > >"astrologerashutosh"

> > > ><astrologerashutosh>

> > > > >

> > > >valist

> > > > > >To:

> > > >valist

> > > > >

> > > > >Maha Shivratri

> > > > >

> > > > >Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:58:54 -

> > > >0000

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Dear astro-

> > > >philes,

> > > > > > I am an atheist who does

> > > >not feel the need to

> > > > > >worship

> > > >anyone or anything. But, I am always

> > > >fascinated by the origins

> > > > > >of

> > > >religions and rituals all over the

> > > >world.

> > > > > > Siva linga and Yoni are

> > > >worshipped together. Why? Is it a

> > > > >

> > > > >subliminal acceptance and release

> > > >of sexual tensions, or deitification

> > > > >

> > > > >of sex as a holy act? Could it be a

> > > >realization of the importance of

> > > > >

> > > > >procreation act as a prime

> > > >requirement for human

> > > >existence.

> > > > > > We are today too

> > > >ashamed to see sexual acts or sights

> > > >in public.

> > > > > >But, here we find sex

> > > >organs being worshipped. I am not

> > > >religious at

> > > > > >all but I believe that all

> > > >rituals arose from a genuine need to

> > > >guide

> > > > > >people towards better

> > > >life.

> > > > > > Waiting for your replies,

> > > > > >

> > > >Ashutosh.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >To , send

> > > >an email to: valist-

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Links

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> >

> > Links

> >

>

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March 11, 2005

I so agree with this, I have deliberately recopied it below.

You are really doing all good in my mind.

> Dear Amar Puri ji,

> I have always studied astrology without any

> religious inclinations or boundaries. Till now I haven't faced any

> difficulty in my work because of lack of religious touch. I understand that

> for one who is highly religious it will be difficult to imagine life without

> it. As I said earlier, I am not ignorant about religion. In fact, I have

> studied all religions deeply going to the extent of keeping Rozas during

> muslim Ramzan to understand true meaning of God and divinity. Sorry to say

> that, but my simple brain is not evolved enough to enjoy bhakti and

> devotion.

> I haven't seen God but I can see humans all around me. In the name God

> I won't do anything but I can sacrifice my life for mankind. You worship

> Krishna as God, I study him like a man, a true man. To understand greatness

> of Krishna or Jesus christ, don't consider them Gods but men made of flesh

> and blood like us and having same emotions and desires too. Then, imagine

> would you do what they did. Their greatness lies in their acts as men not as

> Gods. By worshipping them we are simply under valueing their sacrifices.

> Instead, we should try to emulate them or, if possible, do better than them.

> I know my above views are indigestable to most of the people. But,

> true vedic culture teaches us to question and demand answers. It welcomes

> new ideas and there is also a procedure called shastratha. Vedic culture is

> the only culture which grants freedom of thought. It is not a religion but a

> way of life.

>

> Ashutosh.

Das Goravani

March 11, 2005

I also agree, Das. Thank you, Ashutosh, for so eloquently reflecting how I feel

about life, religion, etc. I was one person able to digest your message.

Sarah

Das Goravani <>

I so agree with this, I have deliberately recopied it below. You are really

doing all good in my mind.