Atlantis and Bhagavatam--For Ashutosh et al..

March 10, 2005

Ashutosh,

I agree with your observation that humans have strange desires.

However, this is due to the ignorance of how to experience bliss in

our daily living. Science for the sake of technology and discovery

is a form of bondage. From the beginning, the objective is already

limited and contributes to boredom. Whereas, if these scientists and

the rest of humanity can experience infinity within themselves, then

every act and experience of human beings would be more meaningful and

exhilirating.

Similarly, astrology should be practiced to show the client the

infinite possibilities in our lives. It is the responsibility of the

astrologer to recognize the best alternative for the native to be

successful in any endeavors or concerns. This can only be done if

the astrologer recognizes the importance encouraging his/her clients

to develop their consciousness and function at the higher levels of

consciousness. It is said that humans are not using their true

capacity and are functioning at the level of animals (this is a bit

harsh, but our high school teacher used to call us this name all the

time!).

Namaste,

John R.

valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

>

> Dear John,

> Man will eventually inhabit Mars and all other

planets too.

> The desires of man are strange. He is destroying the ecosystem on

the only

> known planet in universe where life exists and where he can survive

with

> least efforts. Here we have all resources imaginable for life to

flourish.

> Ironically, on the other hand he is aiming to convert a totally

inhospitable

> planet like Mars into a place which can sustain life. We humans

tend to

> make things complex as if we simply hate simplicity. In astrology

too,

> instead of keeping it simple and precise, lots of beating about

the bush

> goes on. This only contributes to the disenchantment among people

who come

> in good faith to astrologers.

>

> Ashutosh.

>

> -

> John <jr_esq>

> <valist>

> Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:54

> Re: Atlantis and Bhagavatam

>

> >

> > Hey, Das

> >

> > There might be the possibility that humans will inhabit Mars and

> > perhaps terraform the planet for suitability to human living. So,

> > Kali Yuga is not that bad in that respect.

> >

> > However, we have to admit that much of the problems here on earth

> > these days are due to the failure to understand the true basis of

the

> > entire universe, which is consciousness. I don't want to use the

> > word "spirituality" to describe the basis of Nature as it

connotes to

> > some people a sectarian and religious concept. Suffice is it to

say

> > that most people are attached to the material world, which is

really

> > based on nothing. We fail to recognize that all of things around

us

> > are really in the long run part of us. As such, we should have

> > mastery over Nature rather than humans hankering over a finite

object

> > such as money and other status symbols.

> >

> > Related to this thought is the beatitude in the Christian

tradition

> > which states that "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the

> > earth". In other words, the true enjoyer of the earthly gifts are

> > those who don't get attached to the objects of this world. That

is,

> > the meek recognizes that everything in this universe is based on

his

> > own Self and is really a diversification his own bliss. As such,

the

> > meek inherits and enjoys the world for what it really is.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> > valist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Atlantis- have you folks into this heard of the Dolphin Ridge

in the

> > > Atlantic?

> > >

> > > It's a large submerged island that fills the middle of the

> > atlantic, very

> > > real, not a myth, viewable from space, known to oceanographers.

> > It's quite

> > > potentially a sunken island.

> > >

> > > Bhagavatam- if a majority began to believe this book, there

would

> > be one

> > > religion again worldwide, because it's rather all inclusive, as

our

> > friend

> > > Amar has been pointing out. It acts like it knows

world/universal

> > history

> > > rather completely. I wonder how many Hindus actually believe it

> > literally

> > > the way Amar and Hare Krishna devotees promote it?

> > >

> > > It states also that the original black person was the "sin"

churned

> > from the

> > > body of a bad dead king in India, does it not? Hmmm, might not

go

> > over well

> > > in Africa. (To HK's and Hindus in general, I'm just joking

around

> > here- but

> > > it does state that correct? The "Neshada" ???)

> > >

> > > It's universal structure statements are very strange, and the

> > movement has

> > > gone to great lengths to justify and make sense of them, though

the

> > result

> > > is bizarre to most minds. Some parts are obvious metaphor, but

it's

> > hard to

> > > sort out the metaphor from the history.

> > >

> > > In Amar I hear a literalist, but I'm still glad he posts as he

does

> > to give

> > > that view, a very pure, original, ancient, Hindu view, or Indian

> > view of

> > > things. After all, this is Jyotish, a product of India so it

seems,

> > their

> > > domain, so to speak. The gods and nakshatras, grahas, etc., the

> > stories we

> > > use etc., much of it comes from books like Bhagavatam.

> > >

> > > I have to say that when the monks got the last Irish natives to

> > talk to them

> > > about their beliefs, what was written down, which is now called

as

> > Irish

> > > Mythology, which you can get at the bookstore as well, sounds a

lot

> > like

> > > Bhagavatam- like, Yayati changes his old age with one of his

sons'

> > youth so

> > > that he can enjoy more sex, and later gives it back, like, a

couple

> > young

> > > doctors born from a Horse replace the head of a man with that

of a

> > goat, and

> > > so on, wild and crazy stuff, well, that's the same kind of stuff

> > you find in

> > > other ancient mythologies, like as in Ireland. So, it's clear

that

> > ancient

> > > peoples believed very wild stuff. That's for sure.

> > >

> > > But then again, as to the doubters, look to the modern world-

all's

> > we do is

> > > mess it up, ruin it, kill species and forests, and make cell

phones.

> > >

> > > What will become of the Earth? The Nations? Things are not

looking

> > good.

> > > Bhagavatam says it's Kali Yuga and we're all going downhill-

looks

> > correct

> > > at this point, to me, at this time.

> > >

> > > Hmmm.

> > >

> > > Das Goravani, Pres.

> > >

> > > Service@D...

> > >

> > > http://www.dancingmooninc.com

> > >

> >

> > Links

> >

March 10, 2005

Dear John,

You have struck the right chord. Majority of the clients I

see everyday are concerned only about the materialistic problems in their

lives. Very few ask questions regarding spirituality, moksha, inner peace,

harmony. etc. I live in Delhi, India. In today's newspapers there is a news

about a couple who committed suicide after killing their two kids due to

heavy burden of debt on them. The materialistic competition has caught

everyone.

Man has always had an eternal feeling of dissatisfaction with his

surroundings. While on one hand this has encouraged him to invent and to

strive to lead a better life, on the other hand, this feeling has given him

stress, strain, psychosomatic disorders, and sometimes psychological

disorders too. The key is to understand one's desires and create a balance.

Almost all philosophers have taught that. We astrologers also try the same

choosing different ways to teach. We have a better tool called astrology

which can easily pin-point the root of the problem.

Taking man to higher leve of conciousness is an effective way. But,

people who are mired neck deep in troubles won't accept that theory. John,

in India every second person is a philoshopher and evry third one an

astrologer.

People need some practical solutions which are meaningful too. So, the

astrologers here provide them with remedies which my be based on religious

rituals or gem therapies. But, effective change in lifestyle is a must. A

person who has an active twelfth house and has become alcoholic due to it

should be advised to leave alcohol before advising any other remedy. Once

his lifestyle has changed the next step is taking him to higher conciousness

so that such problem does not arise again. Th etwelfth house is house of

moksha too.

Some group members might think that I am talking about God when saying

higher conciousness. It is possible to be spritual without being religious.

Ashutosh.

-

John <jr_esq

Friday, March 11, 2005 11:56

Re: Atlantis and Bhagavatam--For Ashutosh et al..

>

> Ashutosh,

>

> I agree with your observation that humans have strange desires.

> However, this is due to the ignorance of how to experience bliss in

> our daily living. Science for the sake of technology and discovery

> is a form of bondage. From the beginning, the objective is already

> limited and contributes to boredom. Whereas, if these scientists and

> the rest of humanity can experience infinity within themselves, then

> every act and experience of human beings would be more meaningful and

> exhilirating.

>

> Similarly, astrology should be practiced to show the client the

> infinite possibilities in our lives. It is the responsibility of the

> astrologer to recognize the best alternative for the native to be

> successful in any endeavors or concerns. This can only be done if

> the astrologer recognizes the importance encouraging his/her clients

> to develop their consciousness and function at the higher levels of

> consciousness. It is said that humans are not using their true

> capacity and are functioning at the level of animals (this is a bit

> harsh, but our high school teacher used to call us this name all the

> time!).

>

> Namaste,

>

> John R.

>

> valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> >

> > Dear John,

> > Man will eventually inhabit Mars and all other

> planets too.

> > The desires of man are strange. He is destroying the ecosystem on

> the only

> > known planet in universe where life exists and where he can survive

> with

> > least efforts. Here we have all resources imaginable for life to

> flourish.

> > Ironically, on the other hand he is aiming to convert a totally

> inhospitable

> > planet like Mars into a place which can sustain life. We humans

> tend to

> > make things complex as if we simply hate simplicity. In astrology

> too,

> > instead of keeping it simple and precise, lots of beating about

> the bush

> > goes on. This only contributes to the disenchantment among people

> who come

> > in good faith to astrologers.

> >

> > Ashutosh.

March 11, 2005

> Some group members might think that I am talking about God when saying

> higher conciousness. It is possible to be spritual without being religious.

No Ashutosh, only God is higher consciousness, scientific higher mind, like

Deepak Chopra and the New Age, and Spiritual Groups without God, without

paying me my tithings, groups that advise be happy without the misery I can

share with you, are all wrong.

I'm kidding.

I so agree with you.

I'm glad you're here, and I like your writings. I defend your stance, and am

glad you have the guts to be yourself openly. You're also interesting

looking (saw your pict on the group board).

I agree with your straightforward view of things, pragmatic, real,

scientific, non-religious.

I myself used to be a tool of the Orthodox, but I was always uncomfortable.

Now I'm more just plain original me, and I'm more centered now in my

identity because of this.

Das Goravani, Pres.

Service

http://www.dancingmooninc.com

March 11, 2005

Hello dear John and the List,

Hare Krishna.

As Shriman John writes in his message ;