AW: AW: Bhagwat Thumping/Finding the Truth

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Dear Amarji,

 

Please forgive me. Seems I have offended you somehow, although I was

actually responding to Rick`s perception of your mails rather than

commenting on your mails directly.

 

I infact, find your mails most informative & am suitably impressed at your

ability to quote the scriptures, seeing as I dont know them at all but would

really like to.

 

Tejpalji might find it even funnier when I admit that most of my

understanding comes from life`s experiences & mythological DVDs like

Krishna, Mahabharat, Ramayan, Vishnu Puran etc. I have over a hundred of

these & love to watch them despite their rough quality.

And now I have the good fortune to learn from so many learned people on this

list.

 

Looking forward to your mails.

 

Hari Om.

 

Shabnam

 

 

 

 

 

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

Von: fas fas [foreignersassistance]

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Marz 2005 18:51

An: valist

Betreff: RE: AW: Bhagwat Thumping/Finding the Truth

 

 

 

Hello dear learned members,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

We perceive things (knowledge) according to our status of mental plateform

on a different level followed by the quality of the mode of material nature

at particular time, place and circumstances.

 

" Just like the Sun is there always. It may come before your vision or not

- the sun is there and open to everyone. But if you are fortunate you come

before the Sun."

 

Is the above statement is any dogmatic or belong to a particular cult ? To

believe in Sun's existence is a dogmatic or cult. Is Sun's existence not a

universal ? So, where is the difficulty to accept the truth of the

knowledge of the Bhagavat Gita where Lord Shri Krishna says, I am the SUN. ?

 

The Shakti (Engery of all kind) and The Shaktiman can not exist one without

the other. Where there is Purusha (Shaktiman) there is a Shakti (Engergy).

The Shakti can not exist alone. Therefore, Shakti is female and Shaktiman

is male. This is why GOD, the creator is known in the scripture

Brahma-samhita, "GOVINDAM ADI- PURUSHAM TAM AHAM BHAJAMI..." This hymn sung

by Lord Brahma to glorify the creator Govinda - Krishna.

 

Further Lord Shiva also glorify Govinda, Krishna ;

 

In the Sri Sanatkumara-samhita, from the ancient Skanda Purana, we find a

conversation between the great sage Sri Narada and Lord Sadashiva, the

master of the demigods. Starting at text number 26 to text 30, Narada Muni

asks Lord Sadashiva, "O master please tell what method the people of

Kali-yuga may adopt to easily attain the transcendental abode of Lord Hari

[Krishna]. O Lord, what mantra will carry the people from this world of

birth and death? So everyone may benefit, please tell it to me. O Lord, of

all mantras what mantra needs no purashcharana, no nyasa, no yoga, no

samskara, and no other thing? A single utterance of the Lord's holy name

gives the highest result. O master of the demigods, if I am competent to

hear it, please kindly tell me the Lord's holy name."

In texts 31-35 , Lord Sadashiva gives his answer: Lord Sadashiva said: "O

fortunate one, your question is excellent. O you who wish for the welfare of

all, I will tell you the secret chintamani [wish-fulfilling] jewel of all

mantras. I will tell you the secret of secrets, the most confidential of all

confidential things. I will tell you what I have not told either the goddess

or your elder brothers. I will tell you two peerless Krishna mantras that

are the crest-jewels of all mantras.

 

One mantra is:

"'Gopijana-vallabha-charanau sharanam prapadye.' (I take shelter of the feet

of He who is the gopi's beloved) This mantra has three compound words, five

individual words and sixteen syllables.

 

"The second mantra is: 'Namo gopijana-vallabhabhyam.' (Obeisances to the

divine couple, who are dear to the gopis) This mantra has two words and ten

syllables.

 

In texts 36-41, Lord Sadashiva continues: "One who either with faith or

without faith once chants this five-word mantra resides among Lord Krishna's

gopi-beloveds. Of this there is no doubt. In chanting these mantras there is

no need of purshcharana, nyasa, ari-shuddhi, mitra-shuddhi, or other kinds

of purification. In chanting these mantras there is no restriction of time

or place. All, from the lowest outcaste to the greatest sage, are eligible

to chant this mantra. Women, shudras, and all others are eligible. The

paralyzed, mute, blind, and lame are eligible. The Andhras, Hunas, Kiratas,

Pulindas, Pukkashas, Abhiras, Yavanas, Kankas, Khashas, and all others born

from sinful wombs are also eligible. They who are overcome with pride and

ego, who are intent on committing sins, who are killers of cows and

brahmanas, and who are the greatest of sinners, are also eligible. They who

have neither knowledge nor renunciation, they who have never studied the

shruti-shastra and other scriptures, and all others, whoever they may be,

are also eligible to chant these mantras."

 

Then in texts 42-48 Lord Sadashiva explains who is not eligible and who

should not be told these sacred mantras or the purpose of them:

 

"Anyone who has devotion to Lord Krishna, the master of all masters, is

eligible to chant these mantras, but they who have no devotion, even they

may be the greatest of sages, are not eligible. They who have performed many

yajnas, given charity, visited all holy places, been devoted to speaking the

truth, accepted the renounced order, traveled to the farther shore of the

Vedas and Vedangas, devotedly served the brahmanas, taken birth in good

families, and performed austerities and vows, but are not devoted to Lord

Krishna, are not eligible to chant these mantras. Therefore these mantras

should not be spoken to one who is not devoted to Lord Hari, nor to one who

is ungrateful, proud, or faithless, nor to an atheist or a blasphemer. One

should not speak these mantras to one who does not wish to hear them, nor to

one who has not stayed for one year in the speaker's ashrama. One should

carefully give these mantras to one who is free from hypocrisy, greed, lust,

anger, and other vices, and who is sincerely devoted to Lord Krishna. The

sage of this mantra is Lord Sadashiva. The meter is Gayatri. The Deity is

Lord Krishna, the beloved of the gopis. The purpose is to attain service to

dear Lord Hari."

 

In text 53 Lord Sadashiva says: "By once chanting this mantra one attains

success. Of this there is no doubt. Still, for the purpose of chanting japa

one should chant this mantra ten times daily."

In texts 54-77 of the Sri Sanatkumara-samhita, Lord Sadashiva describes the

most nectarean meditation of the mantras, after which he continues with many

additional topics in regard to the pastimes of Radha and Krishna and the

importance of the land of Vrindavana:

 

"O best of brahmanas, now I will tell you the meditation of this mantra. I

meditate on two-armed Lord Krishna, who is dark like a monsoon cloud,

dressed in yellow garments, garlanded with forest flowers... crowned with a

peacock feather, and garlanded with lotus whorls, whose face is splendid

like ten million moons, whose eyes move restlessly... whose forehead is

marked with tilaka of sandal paste and musk... who is splendid with earrings

like two rising suns, whose perspiration-anointed cheeks are like two

glistening mirrors... who with raised eyebrows playfully glances at His

beloved's face, the tip of whose graceful raised nose is decorated with a

glistening pearl... whose bimba-fruit lips are splendid in the moonlight of

His teeth, whose hands are splendid with bracelets, armlets, and jewel

rings... who holds a flute in His left lotus hand, whose waist is splendid

with a graceful belt, whose feet are splendid with graceful anklets... whose

eyes are restless with the nectar of amorous pastimes, who jokes with His

beloved, making Her laugh again and again... and who stays with Her on a

jewel throne under a kalpa-vriksha tree in Vrindavana forest. In this way

one should meditate on Lord Krishna and His beloved."

 

Adjustment of all sorts in the material world do not solve all material

problems because the Jiva atma (Soul) is not material. It is spiritual.

Due to the attachment and wrongly identifying the Jiva to be the body and

bodly senses, we enjoy or suffer according to our action and its reaction

continuiously binding the Jiva into the laws of karma and incarnation life

after life after life.

 

This is what we study in the Jyotish the material suffering and finding the

solution. Isn't it ? So, why not at least try to get out of this cycle of

birth and death as per Bhagavat Gita, and share this knowledge freely to

people from all walks of life.

 

Only with the knowledge of HOW TO DEVELOP LOVE OF GOD WITH PROPER SPIRITUAL

ACTIVITIES can we rise progressively above the Laws of Karma.

 

THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY AND ITS PURPOSE TO

DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD IF GUIDED BY THE COMPETENT ASTROLOGER.

 

So, we are all Astrologers nearly 1000 one thousand members on this forum

and let us continue help people.

 

Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

 

With my best wishes and regards.........AMAR PURI.

 

 

 

>"Tej Pal Chadha" <tejpalchadha

>valist

>valist

>RE: AW: Bhagwat Thumping

>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:20:41 +0000

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>Kronos might well be Shani (well he is equated with the Roman god Saturn

>anyways) or might not. Thinking about this whole understanding the Gods

>thing... makes me laugh sometimes. Kinda akin to an ant trying to figure

>out

>human beings, but never being able to.

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> >"Bioacoustics" <bioacoustics

> >valist

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> >AW: Bhagwat Thumping

> >Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:19:02 +0100

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> >Dear Rick,

> >

> >I dislike dogma & cults but I wont throw the baby out with the bath

>water,

> >in a manner of speaking.

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> >We can take what we want or need & let the rest be.

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> >As for Christ/krishna, Ultimately they are both representations of

> >Universal Consciousness.... & us, being made of material ( Devi Shakti/

> >Mother mary ) stuff, we are irrevocably tied to the laws of physics one

>of

> >which is the Law of cause & effect or Karma if you will.

> >Simplistically put, if I stick my finger in the fire, it will burn.....

>or

> >looking at it another way, If I keep drawing from the bank without

>putting

> >any money in, sooner or later I will have to face my consequential debit

> >and

> >if I die before they can put me in the debtors prison, then my children

> >would be held responsible until they clear my debts.

> >On a brighter note, they would also inherit any investments I might leave

> >behind.

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> >Its probably futile, hating / blaming mother ( by birth or adoption or

> >representation )for reminding one.

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> >As I see it, resistance, lack of acceptance, value judgements etc: these

> >are

> >some of the stuff pain is made of. On my best days, I experience taking

> >full

> >personal responsibility, as pure freedom.

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> >I`m lovingly sharing some of my conclusions from personal experiences.

>Hope

> >they do not offend.

> >

> >In one of your posts you have talked about the difficulties of matching

> >mythological figures from different cultures. I was wondering if it would

> >make this easier if we matched Archetypes rather than names & myths as

> >these

> >can be adjusted to accomodate socio-geographic circumstances. For

>example,

> >Demeter / Parvati or Kronos / Shani....just contemplating......

> >

> >Hari Om.

> >

> >Shabnam

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> >-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> >Von: Das Goravani []

> >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Marz 2005 22:00

> >An: valist

> >Betreff: Re: Bhagwat Thumping

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> > > Is it not true that you are one of the initiated devotee of the Lord

> >Shri

> > > Krishna? Therefore,you are in the parampara regardless how you feel,

> >think,

> > >act and believe or disbelive, accept or reject out of your free WILL.

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> >You sound just like my mother, who used to tell me that since I'm

>baptized

> >I

> >am Catholic, and Jesus owns me, and I'll be back, no matter what. "YOU'RE

>A

> >CATHOLIC" she used to yell, when I talked about Krishna. Now you're

>telling

> >me "You're a Vaisnava, no matter what!"

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> >So, for those who are watching this, this is about a Vaisnava or Hindu

> >Orthodox Disciplic Succession principle that says that you are eternally

> >owned by your Guru and the Succession (Parampara) he is in. So, I am now

> >"permanently a Vaisnava under Sridhar Maharaj, even in the afterlife".

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> >This is very similar to some other religions. This is a very mechanistic,

> >personalistic, view, similar to Catholics, Mormons, and many others.

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> >It's almost to the point of burying people with their cars and servants

>for

> >the trip, like ancient China, Egypt, and so on. These Vaisnavas venerate

> >little chips of cloth from past Gurus, like Catholics venerate even the

> >body

> >parts of past Saints.

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> >Interesting Stuff. Us humans trying to figure out where we are, what we

> >are, and so on, and get saved, saved from future suffering, saved from

>not

> >understanding, saved from being lower than we think is acceptable, and so

> >on.

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