RE: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

March 12, 2005

Hello dear Astrologer Ashutosh and the List Members,

Hare KRISHNA.

Let me remind the Astrologer first that the combusted Mercury Lord of 3h in

his chart presently transiting debilitated under badly influence of malefic

Rahu in 9h of Pisces owned by malefic Jupiter also transiting 3h of Virgo

owned by weak combusted Mercury beside the bhukti lord Venus transiting 8h

of Cult owned by most malefic Saturn natally influencing Jupiter which

trigerred the whole issue of spiritual debate creating frustrations,

rejections and therefore lacking of analytical power altogether obstructing

in the understanding of Spiritual matter under discussion.

That is the reason, List Members of his denial of understanding and not

seeing the Spiritual discussion beside his defending with ambiguity.

Do you see what I see and agree with it, my friend Astrologer ? Are you

denying your Spiritual identity again ?

Do you remember reading my answer to your querry sore on your back ? I hope

so. Here it is ;

"The same very combination in your chart made you as a professional

astrologer, the same combination is responsible for you being an Atheist as

you wrote earlier in your post. Here it is how.

The 8L Saturn most malefic planet debilitated in Navamsa casts seventh

aspects on 6L malefic Jupiter robs you off your spirituality beside the Sun

debilitated in Rashi and in Navamsa and the Moon weakly disposed occupying

the 3rd house of Virgo combusted Mercury lacking power of clearity are the

cause of your being Atheist despite the fact that you are a professonal

astrologer because the 10L exalted Mars (old age) is in the 7h of Capricorn

unafflicted and the Jupiter (significator of divine knowledge and

profession) is occupying the 5h. of Scorpio (Income) owned by exlated Mars.

My humble suggestion to you is that please propitiate Saturn, Jupiter, Rahu

and Ketu and strengthen your weak benefic planets SUN, MOON, MERCURY, AND

MARS. Feel free to write. "

I hope you are following the remedial measurers suggested above for your

betterment. If you need to know further how to propitiate the malefics,

simply write and ask for it.

Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

With my best wishes...........AMAR PURI.

>"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

>valist

><valist>

>Rahu in ninth house

>Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:32 +0530

>

>Dear members,

> I was wondering what has caused this debate about

>religion and God. In fact, it was my statement that I am an atheist. Thats

>it, but, why did it happen now and why not earlier? The answer seems to lie

>in the impending transit of mean rahu in my horoscope's ninth house, house

>of religion and philosophy, in pisces with ketu and jupiter in virgo. The

>ground for Rahu's activities are being prepared.

>

> I only hope that this combination of ketu and jupiter

>(which will be there for next six months) does not result in heightened

>fanaticism around the world.

>

> Ashutosh.

>

Links

>

March 12, 2005

Dear Amar Ji,

I really like the way you keep discussion going. You

are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too in

your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious. Being

spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If I

were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking place

and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as thats

what I was being trained for during my teenage.

And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange of mercury

and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed this attitude.

I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago that the

transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries and

frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is entering

pisces what new can it do.

Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the missionaries who

are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you haven't answered

my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga signify?"

Ashutosh.

-

fas fas <foreignersassistance

Saturday, March 12, 2005 23:56

RE: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>

> Hello dear Astrologer Ashutosh and the List Members,

>

> Hare KRISHNA.

>

> Let me remind the Astrologer first that the combusted Mercury Lord of 3h

in

> his chart presently transiting debilitated under badly influence of

malefic

> Rahu in 9h of Pisces owned by malefic Jupiter also transiting 3h of Virgo

> owned by weak combusted Mercury beside the bhukti lord Venus transiting

8h

> of Cult owned by most malefic Saturn natally influencing Jupiter which

> trigerred the whole issue of spiritual debate creating frustrations,

> rejections and therefore lacking of analytical power altogether

obstructing

> in the understanding of Spiritual matter under discussion.

>

> That is the reason, List Members of his denial of understanding and not

> seeing the Spiritual discussion beside his defending with ambiguity.

>

> Do you see what I see and agree with it, my friend Astrologer ? Are you

> denying your Spiritual identity again ?

>

> Do you remember reading my answer to your querry sore on your back ? I

hope

> so. Here it is ;

>

> "The same very combination in your chart made you as a professional

> astrologer, the same combination is responsible for you being an Atheist

as

> you wrote earlier in your post. Here it is how.

>

> The 8L Saturn most malefic planet debilitated in Navamsa casts seventh

> aspects on 6L malefic Jupiter robs you off your spirituality beside the

Sun

> debilitated in Rashi and in Navamsa and the Moon weakly disposed occupying

> the 3rd house of Virgo combusted Mercury lacking power of clearity are the

> cause of your being Atheist despite the fact that you are a professonal

> astrologer because the 10L exalted Mars (old age) is in the 7h of

Capricorn

> unafflicted and the Jupiter (significator of divine knowledge and

> profession) is occupying the 5h. of Scorpio (Income) owned by exlated

Mars.

>

> My humble suggestion to you is that please propitiate Saturn, Jupiter,

Rahu

> and Ketu and strengthen your weak benefic planets SUN, MOON, MERCURY, AND

> MARS. Feel free to write. "

>

> I hope you are following the remedial measurers suggested above for your

> betterment. If you need to know further how to propitiate the malefics,

> simply write and ask for it.

>

> Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

>

> With my best wishes...........AMAR PURI.

>

> >"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

> >valist

> ><valist>

> >Rahu in ninth house

> >Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:32 +0530

> >

> >Dear members,

> > I was wondering what has caused this debate about

> >religion and God. In fact, it was my statement that I am an atheist.

Thats

> >it, but, why did it happen now and why not earlier? The answer seems to

lie

> >in the impending transit of mean rahu in my horoscope's ninth house,

house

> >of religion and philosophy, in pisces with ketu and jupiter in virgo. The

> >ground for Rahu's activities are being prepared.

> >

> > I only hope that this combination of ketu and jupiter

> >(which will be there for next six months) does not result in heightened

> >fanaticism around the world.

> >

> > Ashutosh.

> >

> > Links

> >

>

> Links

>

March 13, 2005

Hello dear friend Ashustosh,

Hare Krishna.

Please read your own writing below what you are saying ;

"I really like the way you keep discussion going. You

>are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too in

>your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious. Being

>spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If I

>were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking place

>and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as thats

>what I was being trained for during my teenage."

Do you find something is missing, or any one from the List Member, please

help our friend the Astrologer. ?

Let me walk you through what you are saying and make you little better

understanding to what you are saying.

Do you admit that you are a Spiritual not religious ? Of course, you can

not deny that you wrote it.

Religious means to know your SELF. Who you are ? You are Spirit (Soul).

You are Spritual which you admit. To know and understand who you are, why

you are here, and where you come from and so on is a process which is

called Religion ( instructions given by the creator).

So, where is the difficulty to accept that you are not Atheist.

Is it not simply a lack of analytical power of understanding of Spritual

knowledge as to what you are saying and denying to it ?

Is this not what I said in my reading of your horoscope ?

Are you performing any astral remedial ?

Please reply to all the above questions.

At present, you are riding the tidel wave of comfort feeling sort of, " I

am a Machoo man, nothing bothers me " in the Bhukti of Venus in the main

dasha of Jupiter. But, let me remind you the upcoming Bhukti of Ketu will

give you the opportunity to know more about your spirituality.

May Lord Shri Krishna bless you and your family.

Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

With my best wishes and regards.........AMAR PURI.

>"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

>valist

><valist>

>Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:30:44 +0530

>

>Dear Amar Ji,

> I really like the way you keep discussion going. You

>are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too in

>your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious. Being

>spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If I

>were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking place

>and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as thats

>what I was being trained for during my teenage.

> And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange of mercury

>and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed this

>attitude.

>I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago that the

>transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries and

>frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is entering

>pisces what new can it do.

> Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the missionaries who

>are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you haven't

>answered

>my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga signify?"

>

>Ashutosh.

>

>-

>fas fas <foreignersassistance

><valist>

>Saturday, March 12, 2005 23:56

>RE: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>

> >

> > Hello dear Astrologer Ashutosh and the List Members,

> >

> > Hare KRISHNA.

> >

> > Let me remind the Astrologer first that the combusted Mercury Lord of 3h

>in

> > his chart presently transiting debilitated under badly influence of

>malefic

> > Rahu in 9h of Pisces owned by malefic Jupiter also transiting 3h of

>Virgo

> > owned by weak combusted Mercury beside the bhukti lord Venus transiting

>8h

> > of Cult owned by most malefic Saturn natally influencing Jupiter which

> > trigerred the whole issue of spiritual debate creating frustrations,

> > rejections and therefore lacking of analytical power altogether

>obstructing

> > in the understanding of Spiritual matter under discussion.

> >

> > That is the reason, List Members of his denial of understanding and not

> > seeing the Spiritual discussion beside his defending with ambiguity.

> >

> > Do you see what I see and agree with it, my friend Astrologer ? Are you

> > denying your Spiritual identity again ?

> >

> > Do you remember reading my answer to your querry sore on your back ? I

>hope

> > so. Here it is ;

> >

> > "The same very combination in your chart made you as a professional

> > astrologer, the same combination is responsible for you being an Atheist

>as

> > you wrote earlier in your post. Here it is how.

> >

> > The 8L Saturn most malefic planet debilitated in Navamsa casts seventh

> > aspects on 6L malefic Jupiter robs you off your spirituality beside the

>Sun

> > debilitated in Rashi and in Navamsa and the Moon weakly disposed

>occupying

> > the 3rd house of Virgo combusted Mercury lacking power of clearity are

>the

> > cause of your being Atheist despite the fact that you are a professonal

> > astrologer because the 10L exalted Mars (old age) is in the 7h of

>Capricorn

> > unafflicted and the Jupiter (significator of divine knowledge and

> > profession) is occupying the 5h. of Scorpio (Income) owned by exlated

>Mars.

> >

> > My humble suggestion to you is that please propitiate Saturn, Jupiter,

>Rahu

> > and Ketu and strengthen your weak benefic planets SUN, MOON, MERCURY,

>AND

> > MARS. Feel free to write. "

> >

> > I hope you are following the remedial measurers suggested above for your

> > betterment. If you need to know further how to propitiate the

>malefics,

> > simply write and ask for it.

> >

> > Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

> >

> > With my best wishes...........AMAR PURI.

> >

> > >"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

> > >valist

> > ><valist>

> > >Rahu in ninth house

> > >Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:32 +0530

> > >

> > >Dear members,

> > > I was wondering what has caused this debate about

> > >religion and God. In fact, it was my statement that I am an atheist.

>Thats

> > >it, but, why did it happen now and why not earlier? The answer seems to

>lie

> > >in the impending transit of mean rahu in my horoscope's ninth house,

>house

> > >of religion and philosophy, in pisces with ketu and jupiter in virgo.

>The

> > >ground for Rahu's activities are being prepared.

> > >

> > > I only hope that this combination of ketu and jupiter

> > >(which will be there for next six months) does not result in heightened

> > >fanaticism around the world.

> > >

> > > Ashutosh.

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> >

> > Links

> >

Links

>

March 13, 2005

Amar Puri,

"Atheist" means "non-theo", or "not into the concept of God as a person".

It doesn't mean that one cannot be also, simultaneously, interested in

things like what we are, where we come from, and so on. It means that one

doesn't think that the personalistic statements of the holy books of various

religions about God are true. That's what it means. It means one doesn't buy

the personalistic understanding of an all powerful God being. It does not

mean that one has to be devoid of thinking about spiritual matters,

metaphysics, quantum physics, quantam mechanics of the creation and so on.

It doesn't even mean one has to stop meditating, or chanting for that

matter, as these have supposed material effects simply by their sound

vibrations.

Singing with other people in a Church is "good for your spirits" and has

nothing to do with God actually. It's just good to sing and dance with

others in a Church, or a Disco, though the higher thinking in Churches (if

that's what it is at some church, it isn't always, I know for sure) may make

them more desireable.

You are assuming that you are right, that there is this personal God named

Krishna or Vishnu or Shiva or Whatever. You are assuming you are right. Then

you are trying to convince others you are right.

But you see, the Atheist in this discussion isn't trying to convince you of

anything except he's stood his rightful ground, and you keep coming on with

your God, your Holy Self, and your righteousness, and it's ugly because this

is a free world, and Ashutosh is free to believe as he likes without your

constant preaching. Can you not see that?

Do you think you have a right to do this to him because he has your national

background and skin color? How come you're not doing it to me? I said the

same thing myself. I agreed with him.

Look, grow up. There are people in this world who either never accepted God,

or have given it up. Get over it man! This is crazy boring watching you

bash somebody over and over that you know the truth and they don't. It's

really childish.

Rick

Das Goravani, Pres.

Service

http://www.dancingmooninc.com

March 13, 2005

Hello dear Ashutosh and the list members,

Hare Krishna.

Ashutosh wrote ;

"Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the missionaries who

are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you haven't answered

my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga signify?"

You admitted that you are a spiritual person. To come to that plateform of

your spiritual understanding, it took all of us including myself, ofcourse,

on this forum members to make you realize that you are a soul.

Imagine, my friend, how many millions of people around the globe are there,

who do not even have a slightest idea of who are they, what are they doing

and what is the purpose of life etc. and are simply living the lives of

animals like eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

Now that you are aware of the fact that you are a spiritual being as I

became myself aware also to that fact, it is up to you, me and others to

take up this information and help to awaken this knowledge in the mind of

millions of people around the globe. This information is present in the

mind of every living entity but in a dormant state. It needs to be

awakened. So that is what I am doing and hope you and other will carry on

the work further from here onward to make this planet a better peaceful and

joyful place.

Regarding the story of Lord Shivalinga you asked from me, some other members

have already said so for which I am thankful to them and hope you are

satisfied with it.

Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

With my best wishes...............AMAR PURI.

>"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

>valist

><valist>

>Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:30:44 +0530

>

>Dear Amar Ji,

> I really like the way you keep discussion going. You

>are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too in

>your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious. Being

>spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If I

>were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking place

>and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as thats

>what I was being trained for during my teenage.

> And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange of mercury

>and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed this

>attitude.

>I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago that the

>transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries and

>frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is entering

>pisces what new can it do.

> Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the missionaries who

>are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you haven't

>answered

>my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga signify?"

>

>Ashutosh.

>

>-

>fas fas <foreignersassistance

><valist>

>Saturday, March 12, 2005 23:56

>RE: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>

> >

> > Hello dear Astrologer Ashutosh and the List Members,

> >

> > Hare KRISHNA.

> >

> > Let me remind the Astrologer first that the combusted Mercury Lord of 3h

>in

> > his chart presently transiting debilitated under badly influence of

>malefic

> > Rahu in 9h of Pisces owned by malefic Jupiter also transiting 3h of

>Virgo

> > owned by weak combusted Mercury beside the bhukti lord Venus transiting

>8h

> > of Cult owned by most malefic Saturn natally influencing Jupiter which

> > trigerred the whole issue of spiritual debate creating frustrations,

> > rejections and therefore lacking of analytical power altogether

>obstructing

> > in the understanding of Spiritual matter under discussion.

> >

> > That is the reason, List Members of his denial of understanding and not

> > seeing the Spiritual discussion beside his defending with ambiguity.

> >

> > Do you see what I see and agree with it, my friend Astrologer ? Are you

> > denying your Spiritual identity again ?

> >

> > Do you remember reading my answer to your querry sore on your back ? I

>hope

> > so. Here it is ;

> >

> > "The same very combination in your chart made you as a professional

> > astrologer, the same combination is responsible for you being an Atheist

>as

> > you wrote earlier in your post. Here it is how.

> >

> > The 8L Saturn most malefic planet debilitated in Navamsa casts seventh

> > aspects on 6L malefic Jupiter robs you off your spirituality beside the

>Sun

> > debilitated in Rashi and in Navamsa and the Moon weakly disposed

>occupying

> > the 3rd house of Virgo combusted Mercury lacking power of clearity are

>the

> > cause of your being Atheist despite the fact that you are a professonal

> > astrologer because the 10L exalted Mars (old age) is in the 7h of

>Capricorn

> > unafflicted and the Jupiter (significator of divine knowledge and

> > profession) is occupying the 5h. of Scorpio (Income) owned by exlated

>Mars.

> >

> > My humble suggestion to you is that please propitiate Saturn, Jupiter,

>Rahu

> > and Ketu and strengthen your weak benefic planets SUN, MOON, MERCURY,

>AND

> > MARS. Feel free to write. "

> >

> > I hope you are following the remedial measurers suggested above for your

> > betterment. If you need to know further how to propitiate the

>malefics,

> > simply write and ask for it.

> >

> > Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

> >

> > With my best wishes...........AMAR PURI.

> >

> > >"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

> > >valist

> > ><valist>

> > >Rahu in ninth house

> > >Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:32 +0530

> > >

> > >Dear members,

> > > I was wondering what has caused this debate about

> > >religion and God. In fact, it was my statement that I am an atheist.

>Thats

> > >it, but, why did it happen now and why not earlier? The answer seems to

>lie

> > >in the impending transit of mean rahu in my horoscope's ninth house,

>house

> > >of religion and philosophy, in pisces with ketu and jupiter in virgo.

>The

> > >ground for Rahu's activities are being prepared.

> > >

> > > I only hope that this combination of ketu and jupiter

> > >(which will be there for next six months) does not result in heightened

> > >fanaticism around the world.

> > >

> > > Ashutosh.

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> >

> > Links

> >

Links

>

March 13, 2005

Just see the Brahmins, the Hare Krishna Brahmins, in all their glory and

stench of being the ultimate judges of humanity. It's like Indian Nazis.

Our Amar stated what his great Guru always stated, that most people are

animals, just "eating, sleeping, mating and defending".

Yeah, I used to be one. So what. I'm not now.

This is the kind of missionary insulting that was done so many times in the

past when so called religious or other missionaries went into countries and

wiped out cultures and peoples, introduced shame and the priestly class as

leaders, and set up shop judging and punishing everyone for being

themselves.

Take your religion and shove it back into your book shelf dude!

People in general don't need your judgment over them. Are you so better than

everyone? Your four regulative principles make you better huh? Superior

Aryan are we? That's what Hitler said. Who's your first target? Or do you

just preach and preach and preach at people til they convert to shut you up.

It didn't take the whole list to convey to Ashutosh that he was a soul. He

didn't get anything from you at all in this whole thing, I'm quite sure.

He's probably laughing, that's all. All's you've done is preached for

yourself, to impress yourself, that you are right and that your path is

right.

Everybody else already has a right, not to be taken away by you, to be who

they are right now. They are not lower than you because they are different.

Period. You will have to learn this to be in the world. Right now you are

just like a cleric in Hezbolla, no different. You are like a Muslim who

bashed on India 500 years ago converting everybody because he was right, and

all the Hindus were wrong.

The meer fact that you have your little Guru parampara doesn't make you the

authority on Hinduism. In fact, your Gurus are usually not that literate in

Sanskrit. Overall, ISKCON's Guru, including the found, are usually not

Sanskrit scholars, which is the starting point for being an authority on

Vedas. What you are is fanatics for one little sub group from Bengal. That's

all.

Ashutosh is just as valid as you. What he has to say is just as valid, just

as interesting, and just as right.

Why don't you just attack Lord Budha for all us. I know you folks like to do

that too. I used to Parrot all the same lines as you. You're a really good

follower by the way, perfect.

OK? Back off? Do you get it? Can you get it? Can you get that you should

stop acting the way you act? We are not your children. You are not better.

You are not our Guru, you are not his Guru. Nobody hired you here.

Please try to understand what is "humble".

Rick

Das Goravani, Pres.

Service

http://www.dancingmooninc.com

March 13, 2005

Dear Members,

To add a few cents here on Das Goravani's thoughts:

I was also involved many years ago in Hare Krishna and took initiation from

Prabhupada.

There were many positive aspects to temple life and following this path, but

many negatives as well

Many of us got way ahead of ourselves--trying to achieve the ultimate in a short

time.

There were many great souls there and many corrupt ones as well. Prabhupada

admitted there were disciples he shouldn't have initiated--but he did this for

Lord Chaitanya.

Luckily for me, my body and mind began breaking down after a few years of an

extremely rigorous schedule, which led me to subsequently leave the

organization. Much of what we did during those times involved false

renunciation--too much too soon.

This involved everything from diet to sexual abstinence, to not getting enough

sleep, etc. etc. Many of us came right from drugs, sex and rock and roll (myself

included) and expected to become saintly overnight.

One of the most important lessons that I've learned from the whole experience

and which also goes to the heart of the teachings of the Gita: one should

follow his own nature. In this there is really no choice if one wants to make

spiritual progress.

Following your own nature means to follow your particular physical, mental and

emotional predilections.

Much of the path consists of us finding this out--i.e., what is that nature.

Self study, observing oneself when with others, understanding our own daily

needs and being compassionate to those needs etc etc. If you try by

experimenting to go against this nature, you will see how miserable it will make

you and in due course of time will lead to mental and physical disease.

Having the knowledge of astrology back in those days, and applying it, would

probably have saved everyone much misery. For instance, one disciple, who was

quite happy in married life and was later coaxed into becoming a sannyasi, had a

Sun/Jupiter/Venus conjunction in Taurus--obviously not exactly suited for a life

of abstinence. His guruship ended with affairs with female disciples and other

problems.

There are many examples like this.

To be realistically successful in ashram life, as a celibate or otherwise, one

should have a strong Saturn and preferably Saturn in connection to the Moon and

Venus.

This of course is just a general observation. I know one very prominent disciple

and 'guru' who died recently who had a Saturn/Venus conjunction in Cancer

opposite a Moon in Capricorn--he stayed the course through many scandals and was

a total cold impersonalist in human relations, but his 'detachment' served him

well in his position.

Most persons are not cut out for ashram life--it's quite apparent just by

looking at the chart.

As far as this debate on Theist vs Atheist--it is a totally useless and mean

spirited argument. If one's nature, and or chart, points to Atheism, why would

one try force Theism down his throat. This is never going to work--just like

forcing a Theist to adopt an Atheistic stance will never happen. By the way--are

there any good propitiations for overly zealous Theist proselytizers?

Did Krishna try to convince Arjuna to go off to the forest and meditate? Of

course not, because Arjuna was a warrior--it was his duty to go forward into the

battle, even if it meant killing all of his kith and kin.

No one is going to change through pressure, intimidation, insults, threats etc.

If you want to change someone, be an example. If you have a truly superior way

of life, and the other person wants that, he can follow your example.

Best,

Steve

March 13, 2005

Dear Rick and List members,

Hare Krishna.

THOSE WHO HAVE WILL BE GIVEN MORE

THOSE WHO HAVE NONE WILL BE GONE.

I am sharing the discussion and the knowledge with people who needs it like

every body else without offending and defending anybody.

Those who does not need it already spitting out, spitting it out with full

of frustration, anger and so on on account of their own personal experience

and reason.

I can understand that and have to stop to make comments on this issue.

Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

With my best wishes and regards.........AMAR PURI.

>Das Goravani <>

>valist

>"valist" <valist>

>Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:29:23 -0800

>

>Amar Puri,

>

>"Atheist" means "non-theo", or "not into the concept of God as a person".

>It doesn't mean that one cannot be also, simultaneously, interested in

>things like what we are, where we come from, and so on. It means that one

>doesn't think that the personalistic statements of the holy books of

>various

>religions about God are true. That's what it means. It means one doesn't

>buy

>the personalistic understanding of an all powerful God being. It does not

>mean that one has to be devoid of thinking about spiritual matters,

>metaphysics, quantum physics, quantam mechanics of the creation and so on.

>

>It doesn't even mean one has to stop meditating, or chanting for that

>matter, as these have supposed material effects simply by their sound

>vibrations.

>

>Singing with other people in a Church is "good for your spirits" and has

>nothing to do with God actually. It's just good to sing and dance with

>others in a Church, or a Disco, though the higher thinking in Churches (if

>that's what it is at some church, it isn't always, I know for sure) may

>make

>them more desireable.

>

>You are assuming that you are right, that there is this personal God named

>Krishna or Vishnu or Shiva or Whatever. You are assuming you are right.

>Then

>you are trying to convince others you are right.

>

>But you see, the Atheist in this discussion isn't trying to convince you of

>anything except he's stood his rightful ground, and you keep coming on with

>your God, your Holy Self, and your righteousness, and it's ugly because

>this

>is a free world, and Ashutosh is free to believe as he likes without your

>constant preaching. Can you not see that?

>

>Do you think you have a right to do this to him because he has your

>national

>background and skin color? How come you're not doing it to me? I said the

>same thing myself. I agreed with him.

>

>Look, grow up. There are people in this world who either never accepted

>God,

>or have given it up. Get over it man! This is crazy boring watching you

>bash somebody over and over that you know the truth and they don't. It's

>really childish.

>

>Rick

>

>Das Goravani, Pres.

>

>Service

>

>http://www.dancingmooninc.com

>

Links

>

March 13, 2005

Dear Das,

You Wrote:

>>This is the kind of missionary insulting that was done so many

>>times

in the

past when so called religious or other missionaries went into

countries and

wiped out cultures and peoples, introduced shame and the priestly

class as

leaders, and set up shop judging and punishing everyone for being

themselves.<<

Although I understand your point of view, I think it is a little

one-sided. As you know Hindu gurus have travelled to the West (for

ages) converting Westerners to the practices of

Hinduism...Paramahansa, Prabhupada, Maharishi...to name just a few.

It's taken me many years to return to my roots, the religion I was

born to. After 30 yrs of indoctrination I've finally realised that

astrology transcends all religious doctrine as everyone alive on

this earth today; whether Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist or

Christian is subject to the same cosmic laws (natural law) that

govern and dispense our karma. Every religion has its fair share of

missionaries (zealots/reformers).

However prayer and meditation is one thing common to all religions

and whether one recites the Hare Krishna mantra, a Bija mantra, the

Christian (maharatha) mantra or any of the Buddhist mantras, the

goal of meditation remains the same...to engage the mind in

something other than the superficial chatter it's constantly engaged

in. Habitually employing the mind in this way one ultimately

transcends thought and experiences the stillness of mind's true

nature. Meditation techniques, mantras, yantras etc (as you know)

are seen from the 5th house. Obviously if there are afflictions to

this house the native will either not be drawn to meditation

practices or will encounter difficulties with his practice.

Worshiping of, or praying to, deities is also something common to

all religions; whether one prays to Goddess Lakshmi, the Blessed

Virgin, Tara, Krishna, Buddha, Christ or whoever, the act of

devotion (bhakti) is the same. The regularity of praying the rosary

(daily), with a sincere heart, opens up the heart in the same way as

any other devotional practice...it's the ACT of devotion itself

that's important.

Great harm is done by all zealots, missionaries and travelling gurus

who are dedicated to converting others to their own beliefs...it

leads ultimately to unnecessary confusion and doubts regarding one's

own religious roots. We were born into certain religious cultures

for a reason and few there are who make the transition from one to

the other unscathed. No religious belief of itself can bring a man

to enlightenment...it's his own diligent adherance to the spiritual

practices within his religion that ultimately lead to the light of

his true Self...regular meditation, regular prayer...the discipline

of daily practice rather than intellectualising the merits of one

above the other.

I hate to see people condemn catholocism (it's very dear to my

heart) and, although I acknowledge the depth of understanding I've

gained through my exposure to Hinduism, it's comforting for me to

have returned to my own roots.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

March 13, 2005

Dear Amar Ji,

My next period will be Sun antardasha in Jupiter

Mahadasha. Ketu is already over. It seems you have not analysed my horoscope

deeply. My nature, virtues and vices are evident clearly. One should be

motivated to change his beliefs or way of life if it is harming oneself or

others and hindering progress of mankind too. But, this is not the case with

me. People around me, my family, my friends, my clients all know about my

beliefs and are very comfortable with them. They may belong to different

religions or sects, but they still take my advice on all matters.

Amar Ji, astrology has taught me wisdom. It is my best teacher. It

has given me friends like you. I like you because you are steadfast in your

belief. It is your best quality. But, if I were a criminal, a murderer, but

a devout hindu, would you have liked to have any relations with me?

Amar Ji, as far as spiritualism is concerned, I have been to the

brink and back many times. There, no thought remains in mind, not even God.

We think because we are alive. After that there is nothing, absolutely

nothing. We play with divinity like little children play with dolls and

comic book heros. They too sincerely believe in them. We are just grown up

kids. Thats all. But, we need some beliefs to remain sane and disciplined.

Any belief, theism or atheism, if gives one clarity of thought, is useful

and should be followed.

Ashutosh.

-

fas fas <foreignersassistance

Monday, March 14, 2005 00:40

Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>

> Hello dear friend Ashustosh,

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> Please read your own writing below what you are saying ;

>

> "I really like the way you keep discussion going. You

> >are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too in

> >your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious. Being

> >spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If I

> >were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking place

> >and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as thats

> >what I was being trained for during my teenage."

>

> Do you find something is missing, or any one from the List Member, please

> help our friend the Astrologer. ?

>

> Let me walk you through what you are saying and make you little better

> understanding to what you are saying.

>

> Do you admit that you are a Spiritual not religious ? Of course, you can

> not deny that you wrote it.

>

> Religious means to know your SELF. Who you are ? You are Spirit (Soul).

> You are Spritual which you admit. To know and understand who you are,

why

> you are here, and where you come from and so on is a process which is

> called Religion ( instructions given by the creator).

>

> So, where is the difficulty to accept that you are not Atheist.

>

> Is it not simply a lack of analytical power of understanding of Spritual

> knowledge as to what you are saying and denying to it ?

>

> Is this not what I said in my reading of your horoscope ?

>

> Are you performing any astral remedial ?

>

> Please reply to all the above questions.

>

> At present, you are riding the tidel wave of comfort feeling sort of, " I

> am a Machoo man, nothing bothers me " in the Bhukti of Venus in the main

> dasha of Jupiter. But, let me remind you the upcoming Bhukti of Ketu will

> give you the opportunity to know more about your spirituality.

>

> May Lord Shri Krishna bless you and your family.

>

> Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

>

> With my best wishes and regards.........AMAR PURI.

>

> >"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

> >valist

> ><valist>

> >Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

> >Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:30:44 +0530

> >

> >Dear Amar Ji,

> > I really like the way you keep discussion going.

You

> >are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too in

> >your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious. Being

> >spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If I

> >were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking place

> >and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as thats

> >what I was being trained for during my teenage.

> > And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange of

mercury

> >and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed this

> >attitude.

> >I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago that the

> >transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries and

> >frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is entering

> >pisces what new can it do.

> > Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the missionaries

who

> >are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you haven't

> >answered

> >my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga signify?"

> >

> >Ashutosh.

> >

> >-

> >fas fas <foreignersassistance

> ><valist>

> >Saturday, March 12, 2005 23:56

> >RE: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

> >

> > >

> > > Hello dear Astrologer Ashutosh and the List Members,

> > >

> > > Hare KRISHNA.

> > >

> > > Let me remind the Astrologer first that the combusted Mercury Lord of

3h

> >in

> > > his chart presently transiting debilitated under badly influence of

> >malefic

> > > Rahu in 9h of Pisces owned by malefic Jupiter also transiting 3h of

> >Virgo

> > > owned by weak combusted Mercury beside the bhukti lord Venus

transiting

> >8h

> > > of Cult owned by most malefic Saturn natally influencing Jupiter which

> > > trigerred the whole issue of spiritual debate creating frustrations,

> > > rejections and therefore lacking of analytical power altogether

> >obstructing

> > > in the understanding of Spiritual matter under discussion.

> > >

> > > That is the reason, List Members of his denial of understanding and

not

> > > seeing the Spiritual discussion beside his defending with ambiguity.

> > >

> > > Do you see what I see and agree with it, my friend Astrologer ? Are

you

> > > denying your Spiritual identity again ?

> > >

> > > Do you remember reading my answer to your querry sore on your back ?

I

> >hope

> > > so. Here it is ;

> > >

> > > "The same very combination in your chart made you as a professional

> > > astrologer, the same combination is responsible for you being an

Atheist

> >as

> > > you wrote earlier in your post. Here it is how.

> > >

> > > The 8L Saturn most malefic planet debilitated in Navamsa casts seventh

> > > aspects on 6L malefic Jupiter robs you off your spirituality beside

the

> >Sun

> > > debilitated in Rashi and in Navamsa and the Moon weakly disposed

> >occupying

> > > the 3rd house of Virgo combusted Mercury lacking power of clearity are

> >the

> > > cause of your being Atheist despite the fact that you are a

professonal

> > > astrologer because the 10L exalted Mars (old age) is in the 7h of

> >Capricorn

> > > unafflicted and the Jupiter (significator of divine knowledge and

> > > profession) is occupying the 5h. of Scorpio (Income) owned by exlated

> >Mars.

> > >

> > > My humble suggestion to you is that please propitiate Saturn, Jupiter,

> >Rahu

> > > and Ketu and strengthen your weak benefic planets SUN, MOON, MERCURY,

> >AND

> > > MARS. Feel free to write. "

> > >

> > > I hope you are following the remedial measurers suggested above for

your

> > > betterment. If you need to know further how to propitiate the

> >malefics,

> > > simply write and ask for it.

> > >

> > > Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

> > >

> > > With my best wishes...........AMAR PURI.

> > >

> > > >"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

> > > >valist

> > > ><valist>

> > > >Rahu in ninth house

> > > >Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:32 +0530

> > > >

> > > >Dear members,

> > > > I was wondering what has caused this debate

about

> > > >religion and God. In fact, it was my statement that I am an atheist.

> >Thats

> > > >it, but, why did it happen now and why not earlier? The answer seems

to

> >lie

> > > >in the impending transit of mean rahu in my horoscope's ninth house,

> >house

> > > >of religion and philosophy, in pisces with ketu and jupiter in virgo.

> >The

> > > >ground for Rahu's activities are being prepared.

> > > >

> > > > I only hope that this combination of ketu and jupiter

> > > >(which will be there for next six months) does not result in

heightened

> > > >fanaticism around the world.

> > > >

> > > > Ashutosh.

> > > >

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> >

> > Links

> >

>

> Links

>

March 14, 2005

Dear Steven,

Pardon me for quoting you : Having the knowledge of

astrology back in those days, and applying it, would

> probably have saved everyone much misery. For instance, one disciple, who

was

> quite happy in married life and was later coaxed into becoming a sannyasi,

had a

> Sun/Jupiter/Venus conjunction in Taurus--obviously not exactly suited for

a life

> of abstinence. His guruship ended with affairs with female disciples and

other

> problems.

The rishis and Gurus in the vedic period used to analyse horoscopes,

read palms, or used samudrashastra (body reading) to judge whether an

aspiring candidate is fit to be disciple or not. There was no coaxing, no

pursuading and mostly rigorous tests had to passed before becoming a

disciple. Same was the trend in schools of sciences and schools of martial

arts. Because knowledge should be accompanied with wisdom. And wisdom

develops by patience and tolerance. Knowledge gives power and with power

comes responsibility.

Even Prophet Mohammed advised conversion under pressure or

pursuation. According to him if a person understands your beliefs and likes

them only then he will be able to sustain with them. Otherwise, those who

have converted under some pressure will revert once that pressure is

removed.

For becoming a sanyasi a strong jupiter and sun yoga or moon and

saturn yoga or sun and saturn yoga or all of them should be there in lagna

or navamsa. If these yogas are in kendra in langna horoscope or navamsa then

the native can excel in vairagya. Present Dalai Lama's horoscope has venus

in seventh house in lagna but in navamsa jupiter and sun in aries are placed

in seventh house.

Venus increases materialistic and carnal desires and is often the

cause of downfall of sanyasis. If it is assiciated with mars, saturn or

rahu, then the native should avoid becoming a sanyasi.

Ashutosh.

-

Steven Stuckey <steven

Monday, March 14, 2005 04:24

Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>

> Dear Members,

>

> To add a few cents here on Das Goravani's thoughts:

>

> I was also involved many years ago in Hare Krishna and took initiation

from

> Prabhupada.

> There were many positive aspects to temple life and following this path,

but

> many negatives as well

> Many of us got way ahead of ourselves--trying to achieve the ultimate in a

short

> time.

> There were many great souls there and many corrupt ones as well.

Prabhupada

> admitted there were disciples he shouldn't have initiated--but he did this

for

> Lord Chaitanya.

> Luckily for me, my body and mind began breaking down after a few years of

an

> extremely rigorous schedule, which led me to subsequently leave the

> organization. Much of what we did during those times involved false

> renunciation--too much too soon.

> This involved everything from diet to sexual abstinence, to not getting

enough

> sleep, etc. etc. Many of us came right from drugs, sex and rock and roll

(myself

> included) and expected to become saintly overnight.

>

> One of the most important lessons that I've learned from the whole

experience

> and which also goes to the heart of the teachings of the Gita: one should

> follow his own nature. In this there is really no choice if one wants to

make

> spiritual progress.

> Following your own nature means to follow your particular physical, mental

and

> emotional predilections.

> Much of the path consists of us finding this out--i.e., what is that

nature.

> Self study, observing oneself when with others, understanding our own

daily

> needs and being compassionate to those needs etc etc. If you try by

> experimenting to go against this nature, you will see how miserable it

will make

> you and in due course of time will lead to mental and physical disease.

>

> Having the knowledge of astrology back in those days, and applying it,

would

> probably have saved everyone much misery. For instance, one disciple, who

was

> quite happy in married life and was later coaxed into becoming a sannyasi,

had a

> Sun/Jupiter/Venus conjunction in Taurus--obviously not exactly suited for

a life

> of abstinence. His guruship ended with affairs with female disciples and

other

> problems.

> There are many examples like this.

>

> To be realistically successful in ashram life, as a celibate or otherwise,

one

> should have a strong Saturn and preferably Saturn in connection to the

Moon and

> Venus.

> This of course is just a general observation. I know one very prominent

disciple

> and 'guru' who died recently who had a Saturn/Venus conjunction in Cancer

> opposite a Moon in Capricorn--he stayed the course through many scandals

and was

> a total cold impersonalist in human relations, but his 'detachment' served

him

> well in his position.

>

> Most persons are not cut out for ashram life--it's quite apparent just by

> looking at the chart.

>

> As far as this debate on Theist vs Atheist--it is a totally useless and

mean

> spirited argument. If one's nature, and or chart, points to Atheism, why

would

> one try force Theism down his throat. This is never going to work--just

like

> forcing a Theist to adopt an Atheistic stance will never happen. By the

way--are

> there any good propitiations for overly zealous Theist proselytizers?

> Did Krishna try to convince Arjuna to go off to the forest and meditate?

Of

> course not, because Arjuna was a warrior--it was his duty to go forward

into the

> battle, even if it meant killing all of his kith and kin.

>

> No one is going to change through pressure, intimidation, insults, threats

etc.

> If you want to change someone, be an example. If you have a truly superior

way

> of life, and the other person wants that, he can follow your example.

>

> Best,

>

> Steve

>

> Links

>

March 14, 2005

SORRY, SLIP OF KEYS

I wrote:

"Even Prophet Mohammed advised conversion under pressure or

pursuation.

I meant "even Prophet Mohammed DID NOT advise conversion under pressure or

persuation."

-

Astrologer Ashutosh <astrologerashutosh

Monday, March 14, 2005 13:56

Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>

> Dear Steven,

> Pardon me for quoting you : Having the knowledge of

> astrology back in those days, and applying it, would

> > probably have saved everyone much misery. For instance, one disciple,

who

> was

> > quite happy in married life and was later coaxed into becoming a

sannyasi,

> had a

> > Sun/Jupiter/Venus conjunction in Taurus--obviously not exactly suited

for

> a life

> > of abstinence. His guruship ended with affairs with female disciples and

> other

> > problems.

> The rishis and Gurus in the vedic period used to analyse

horoscopes,

> read palms, or used samudrashastra (body reading) to judge whether an

> aspiring candidate is fit to be disciple or not. There was no coaxing, no

> pursuading and mostly rigorous tests had to passed before becoming a

> disciple. Same was the trend in schools of sciences and schools of martial

> arts. Because knowledge should be accompanied with wisdom. And wisdom

> develops by patience and tolerance. Knowledge gives power and with power

> comes responsibility.

> Even Prophet Mohammed advised conversion under pressure or

> pursuation. According to him if a person understands your beliefs and

likes

> them only then he will be able to sustain with them. Otherwise, those who

> have converted under some pressure will revert once that pressure is

> removed.

>

> For becoming a sanyasi a strong jupiter and sun yoga or moon and

> saturn yoga or sun and saturn yoga or all of them should be there in lagna

> or navamsa. If these yogas are in kendra in langna horoscope or navamsa

then

> the native can excel in vairagya. Present Dalai Lama's horoscope has venus

> in seventh house in lagna but in navamsa jupiter and sun in aries are

placed

> in seventh house.

>

> Venus increases materialistic and carnal desires and is often the

> cause of downfall of sanyasis. If it is assiciated with mars, saturn or

> rahu, then the native should avoid becoming a sanyasi.

>

> Ashutosh.

-

> Steven Stuckey <steven

> <valist>

> Monday, March 14, 2005 04:24

> Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > To add a few cents here on Das Goravani's thoughts:

> >

> > I was also involved many years ago in Hare Krishna and took initiation

> from

> > Prabhupada.

> > There were many positive aspects to temple life and following this path,

> but

> > many negatives as well

> > Many of us got way ahead of ourselves--trying to achieve the ultimate in

a

> short

> > time.

> > There were many great souls there and many corrupt ones as well.

> Prabhupada

> > admitted there were disciples he shouldn't have initiated--but he did

this

> for

> > Lord Chaitanya.

> > Luckily for me, my body and mind began breaking down after a few years

of

> an

> > extremely rigorous schedule, which led me to subsequently leave the

> > organization. Much of what we did during those times involved false

> > renunciation--too much too soon.

> > This involved everything from diet to sexual abstinence, to not getting

> enough

> > sleep, etc. etc. Many of us came right from drugs, sex and rock and roll

> (myself

> > included) and expected to become saintly overnight.

> >

> > One of the most important lessons that I've learned from the whole

> experience

> > and which also goes to the heart of the teachings of the Gita: one

should

> > follow his own nature. In this there is really no choice if one wants

to

> make

> > spiritual progress.

> > Following your own nature means to follow your particular physical,

mental

> and

> > emotional predilections.

> > Much of the path consists of us finding this out--i.e., what is that

> nature.

> > Self study, observing oneself when with others, understanding our own

> daily

> > needs and being compassionate to those needs etc etc. If you try by

> > experimenting to go against this nature, you will see how miserable it

> will make

> > you and in due course of time will lead to mental and physical disease.

> >

> > Having the knowledge of astrology back in those days, and applying it,

> would

> > probably have saved everyone much misery. For instance, one disciple,

who

> was

> > quite happy in married life and was later coaxed into becoming a

sannyasi,

> had a

> > Sun/Jupiter/Venus conjunction in Taurus--obviously not exactly suited

for

> a life

> > of abstinence. His guruship ended with affairs with female disciples and

> other

> > problems.

> > There are many examples like this.

> >

> > To be realistically successful in ashram life, as a celibate or

otherwise,

> one

> > should have a strong Saturn and preferably Saturn in connection to the

> Moon and

> > Venus.

> > This of course is just a general observation. I know one very prominent

> disciple

> > and 'guru' who died recently who had a Saturn/Venus conjunction in

Cancer

> > opposite a Moon in Capricorn--he stayed the course through many scandals

> and was

> > a total cold impersonalist in human relations, but his 'detachment'

served

> him

> > well in his position.

> >

> > Most persons are not cut out for ashram life--it's quite apparent just

by

> > looking at the chart.

> >

> > As far as this debate on Theist vs Atheist--it is a totally useless and

> mean

> > spirited argument. If one's nature, and or chart, points to Atheism, why

> would

> > one try force Theism down his throat. This is never going to work--just

> like

> > forcing a Theist to adopt an Atheistic stance will never happen. By the

> way--are

> > there any good propitiations for overly zealous Theist proselytizers?

> > Did Krishna try to convince Arjuna to go off to the forest and meditate?

> Of

> > course not, because Arjuna was a warrior--it was his duty to go forward

> into the

> > battle, even if it meant killing all of his kith and kin.

> >

> > No one is going to change through pressure, intimidation, insults,

threats

> etc.

> > If you want to change someone, be an example. If you have a truly

superior

> way

> > of life, and the other person wants that, he can follow your example.

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > Steve

> >

> > Links

> >

>

> Links

>

March 14, 2005

Dear Ashutosh and the List members,

Hare Krishna.

I mistakenly wrote upcoming period of Ketu whereas it should read your past

sub period of KETU must have given you some experience of understanding and

realization of Spirituality.

However, I do see the problem in your chart simaltaniously you may not have

none because of your lack of analytical power brings ambigiouity in

understanding the side of the Spiritual nature as it appears in your writing

every message on the subject of spirituality under discussion.

There are many examples of your writings and one of them, you wrote in your

message ;

"Amar Ji, astrology has taught me wisdom. It is my best teacher. It

>has given me friends like you. I like you because you are steadfast in your

>belief. It is your best quality. But, if I were a criminal, a murderer, but

>a devout hindu, would you have liked to have any relations with me?

> Amar Ji, as far as spiritualism is concerned, I have been to the

>brink and back many times. "

Do you find any ambigiouity in your message above what I am referring to ?

Well, no body is perfect but we all try to become perfect through the

learning of our own mistakes and via other people through various advice and

sources available.

So, that is one of source I have shared with you because you are, after all,

a sincere, honest INDIVIDUAL.

Let us continue help less fortunate people who needs it.

During the course of this spiritual discussion, if I have offended you or

any body on this list members in any way, I beg your forgiveness.

Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

With my best wishes and regards........... AMAR PURI.

>"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

>valist

><valist>

>Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:15:26 +0530

>

>Dear Amar Ji,

> My next period will be Sun antardasha in Jupiter

>Mahadasha. Ketu is already over. It seems you have not analysed my

>horoscope

>deeply. My nature, virtues and vices are evident clearly. One should be

>motivated to change his beliefs or way of life if it is harming oneself or

>others and hindering progress of mankind too. But, this is not the case

>with

>me. People around me, my family, my friends, my clients all know about my

>beliefs and are very comfortable with them. They may belong to different

>religions or sects, but they still take my advice on all matters.

> Amar Ji, astrology has taught me wisdom. It is my best teacher. It

>has given me friends like you. I like you because you are steadfast in your

>belief. It is your best quality. But, if I were a criminal, a murderer, but

>a devout hindu, would you have liked to have any relations with me?

> Amar Ji, as far as spiritualism is concerned, I have been to the

>brink and back many times. There, no thought remains in mind, not even God.

>We think because we are alive. After that there is nothing, absolutely

>nothing. We play with divinity like little children play with dolls and

>comic book heros. They too sincerely believe in them. We are just grown up

>kids. Thats all. But, we need some beliefs to remain sane and disciplined.

>Any belief, theism or atheism, if gives one clarity of thought, is useful

>and should be followed.

>

>Ashutosh.

>

>-

>fas fas <foreignersassistance

><valist>

>Monday, March 14, 2005 00:40

>Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>

> >

> > Hello dear friend Ashustosh,

> >

> > Hare Krishna.

> >

> > Please read your own writing below what you are saying ;

> >

> > "I really like the way you keep discussion going. You

> > >are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too

>in

> > >your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious.

>Being

> > >spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If

>I

> > >were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking

>place

> > >and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as

>thats

> > >what I was being trained for during my teenage."

> >

> > Do you find something is missing, or any one from the List Member,

>please

> > help our friend the Astrologer. ?

> >

> > Let me walk you through what you are saying and make you little better

> > understanding to what you are saying.

> >

> > Do you admit that you are a Spiritual not religious ? Of course, you

>can

> > not deny that you wrote it.

> >

> > Religious means to know your SELF. Who you are ? You are Spirit

>(Soul).

> > You are Spritual which you admit. To know and understand who you are,

>why

> > you are here, and where you come from and so on is a process which is

> > called Religion ( instructions given by the creator).

> >

> > So, where is the difficulty to accept that you are not Atheist.

> >

> > Is it not simply a lack of analytical power of understanding of Spritual

> > knowledge as to what you are saying and denying to it ?

> >

> > Is this not what I said in my reading of your horoscope ?

> >

> > Are you performing any astral remedial ?

> >

> > Please reply to all the above questions.

> >

> > At present, you are riding the tidel wave of comfort feeling sort of, "

>I

> > am a Machoo man, nothing bothers me " in the Bhukti of Venus in the main

> > dasha of Jupiter. But, let me remind you the upcoming Bhukti of Ketu

>will

> > give you the opportunity to know more about your spirituality.

> >

> > May Lord Shri Krishna bless you and your family.

> >

> > Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

> >

> > With my best wishes and regards.........AMAR PURI.

> >

> > >"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

> > >valist

> > ><valist>

> > >Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

> > >Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:30:44 +0530

> > >

> > >Dear Amar Ji,

> > > I really like the way you keep discussion going.

>You

> > >are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too

>in

> > >your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious.

>Being

> > >spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If

>I

> > >were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking

>place

> > >and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as

>thats

> > >what I was being trained for during my teenage.

> > > And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange of

>mercury

> > >and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed this

> > >attitude.

> > >I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago that the

> > >transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries and

> > >frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is entering

> > >pisces what new can it do.

> > > Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the missionaries

>who

> > >are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you haven't

> > >answered

> > >my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga signify?"

> > >

> > >Ashutosh.

> > >

> > >-

> > >fas fas <foreignersassistance

> > ><valist>

> > >Saturday, March 12, 2005 23:56

> > >RE: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hello dear Astrologer Ashutosh and the List Members,

> > > >

> > > > Hare KRISHNA.

> > > >

> > > > Let me remind the Astrologer first that the combusted Mercury Lord

>of

>3h

> > >in

> > > > his chart presently transiting debilitated under badly influence of

> > >malefic

> > > > Rahu in 9h of Pisces owned by malefic Jupiter also transiting 3h of

> > >Virgo

> > > > owned by weak combusted Mercury beside the bhukti lord Venus

>transiting

> > >8h

> > > > of Cult owned by most malefic Saturn natally influencing Jupiter

>which

> > > > trigerred the whole issue of spiritual debate creating frustrations,

> > > > rejections and therefore lacking of analytical power altogether

> > >obstructing

> > > > in the understanding of Spiritual matter under discussion.

> > > >

> > > > That is the reason, List Members of his denial of understanding and

>not

> > > > seeing the Spiritual discussion beside his defending with ambiguity.

> > > >

> > > > Do you see what I see and agree with it, my friend Astrologer ? Are

>you

> > > > denying your Spiritual identity again ?

> > > >

> > > > Do you remember reading my answer to your querry sore on your back ?

>I

> > >hope

> > > > so. Here it is ;

> > > >

> > > > "The same very combination in your chart made you as a professional

> > > > astrologer, the same combination is responsible for you being an

>Atheist

> > >as

> > > > you wrote earlier in your post. Here it is how.

> > > >

> > > > The 8L Saturn most malefic planet debilitated in Navamsa casts

>seventh

> > > > aspects on 6L malefic Jupiter robs you off your spirituality beside

>the

> > >Sun

> > > > debilitated in Rashi and in Navamsa and the Moon weakly disposed

> > >occupying

> > > > the 3rd house of Virgo combusted Mercury lacking power of clearity

>are

> > >the

> > > > cause of your being Atheist despite the fact that you are a

>professonal

> > > > astrologer because the 10L exalted Mars (old age) is in the 7h of

> > >Capricorn

> > > > unafflicted and the Jupiter (significator of divine knowledge and

> > > > profession) is occupying the 5h. of Scorpio (Income) owned by

>exlated

> > >Mars.

> > > >

> > > > My humble suggestion to you is that please propitiate Saturn,

>Jupiter,

> > >Rahu

> > > > and Ketu and strengthen your weak benefic planets SUN, MOON,

>MERCURY,

> > >AND

> > > > MARS. Feel free to write. "

> > > >

> > > > I hope you are following the remedial measurers suggested above for

>your

> > > > betterment. If you need to know further how to propitiate the

> > >malefics,

> > > > simply write and ask for it.

> > > >

> > > > Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.

> > > >

> > > > With my best wishes...........AMAR PURI.

> > > >

> > > > >"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh

> > > > >valist

> > > > ><valist>

> > > > >Rahu in ninth house

> > > > >Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:32 +0530

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear members,

> > > > > I was wondering what has caused this debate

>about

> > > > >religion and God. In fact, it was my statement that I am an

>atheist.

> > >Thats

> > > > >it, but, why did it happen now and why not earlier? The answer

>seems

>to

> > >lie

> > > > >in the impending transit of mean rahu in my horoscope's ninth

>house,

> > >house

> > > > >of religion and philosophy, in pisces with ketu and jupiter in

>virgo.

> > >The

> > > > >ground for Rahu's activities are being prepared.

> > > > >

> > > > > I only hope that this combination of ketu and

>jupiter

> > > > >(which will be there for next six months) does not result in

>heightened

> > > > >fanaticism around the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ashutosh.

> > > > >

> > > > > Links

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> >

> > Links

> >

Links

>

March 14, 2005

Astrologer Ashutosh wrote:

> Even Prophet Mohammed advised conversion under pressure or

> pursuation. According to him if a person understands your beliefs and likes

> them only then he will be able to sustain with them. Otherwise, those who

> have converted under some pressure will revert once that pressure is

> removed.

Dear Ashutosh,

Yes, anything done under coercion will eventually have a reaction down the road.

Of course, there will also be a price to pay for false renunciation as well.

Please do not misunderstand me here, not all sannyasi's were pressured. A number

at a young age were simply sincerely aspiring to the heights of devotion and had

underestimated the power of the sex drive.

Over the years I think many disciples have taken the example of fallen

sannyasi's and followed a more balanced and perhaps safer path of householder

life.

This problem is common in various spiritual organizations. When men reach the

age of mid '50's to early '60's the passions have naturally died down, and

taking sannyas at that time is much more natural.

>

> For becoming a sanyasi a strong jupiter and sun yoga or moon and

> saturn yoga or sun and saturn yoga or all of them should be there in lagna

> or navamsa. If these yogas are in kendra in langna horoscope or navamsa then

> the native can excel in vairagya. Present Dalai Lama's horoscope has venus

> in seventh house in lagna but in navamsa jupiter and sun in aries are placed

> in seventh house.

I think making a determination for sannyas is a very complex issue

astrologically.

The Dalai Lama's time of birth is somewhat questionable and cannot be relied on

for accuracy. His mother has stated he was born just before sunrise. Jupiter's

connection to the 7th navamsa is something I will test however, thank you.

Moon/Saturn and Moon in Saturn's sign can definitely be part of a pattern for

renunciates.

>

> Venus increases materialistic and carnal desires and is often the

> cause of downfall of sanyasis. If it is assiciated with mars, saturn or

> rahu, then the native should avoid becoming a sanyasi.

I agree that Mars/Venus connection, especially in Venus ruled signs, is not good

for celibate life. Venus/Rahu I also agree. Venus/Saturn connection is often in

charts of celibates and may be found just as often in charts of very passionate

persons.

Saturns aspect on the 7th and 12th houses can limit the sexual expression as

well.

A strong angular Mars and Moon/Mars connections also tends to inflame the

passions and give excess libido. Mars/Venus/Jupiter is also not good--Jupiter

here tending to expand and increase the sex drive.

Best,

Steve

>

March 14, 2005

Dear Steven,

I fully agree with you. Thanks a lot for enriching my

knowledge.

Ashutosh.

-

Steven Stuckey <steven

Tuesday, March 15, 2005 00:42

Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate

>

> Astrologer Ashutosh wrote:

>

> > Even Prophet Mohammed advised conversion under pressure or

> > pursuation. According to him if a person understands your beliefs and

likes

> > them only then he will be able to sustain with them. Otherwise, those

who

> > have converted under some pressure will revert once that pressure is

> > removed.

>

> Dear Ashutosh,

>

> Yes, anything done under coercion will eventually have a reaction down the

road.

> Of course, there will also be a price to pay for false renunciation as

well.

> Please do not misunderstand me here, not all sannyasi's were pressured. A

number

> at a young age were simply sincerely aspiring to the heights of devotion

and had

> underestimated the power of the sex drive.

> Over the years I think many disciples have taken the example of fallen

> sannyasi's and followed a more balanced and perhaps safer path of

householder

> life.

> This problem is common in various spiritual organizations. When men reach

the

> age of mid '50's to early '60's the passions have naturally died down, and

> taking sannyas at that time is much more natural.

>

> >

> > For becoming a sanyasi a strong jupiter and sun yoga or moon and

> > saturn yoga or sun and saturn yoga or all of them should be there in

lagna

> > or navamsa. If these yogas are in kendra in langna horoscope or navamsa

then

> > the native can excel in vairagya. Present Dalai Lama's horoscope has

venus

> > in seventh house in lagna but in navamsa jupiter and sun in aries are

placed

> > in seventh house.

>

> I think making a determination for sannyas is a very complex issue

> astrologically.

> The Dalai Lama's time of birth is somewhat questionable and cannot be

relied on

> for accuracy. His mother has stated he was born just before sunrise.

Jupiter's

> connection to the 7th navamsa is something I will test however, thank you.

> Moon/Saturn and Moon in Saturn's sign can definitely be part of a pattern

for

> renunciates.

>

> >

> > Venus increases materialistic and carnal desires and is often

the

> > cause of downfall of sanyasis. If it is assiciated with mars, saturn or

> > rahu, then the native should avoid becoming a sanyasi.

>

> I agree that Mars/Venus connection, especially in Venus ruled signs, is

not good

> for celibate life. Venus/Rahu I also agree. Venus/Saturn connection is

often in

> charts of celibates and may be found just as often in charts of very

passionate

> persons.

> Saturns aspect on the 7th and 12th houses can limit the sexual expression

as

> well.

> A strong angular Mars and Moon/Mars connections also tends to inflame the

> passions and give excess libido. Mars/Venus/Jupiter is also not

good--Jupiter

> here tending to expand and increase the sex drive.

>

> Best,

>

> Steve

>

> >

>

> Links

>

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