Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Dear Prasad Ji, Thanks a lot for explaining the symbolism in shiv linga in such straight and simple way. The combination of feminine and masculine energies can be seen in many cultures too like the ying-yang theory in chinese mythology. In fact this could imply that equal participation of both genders is necessary to create a balanced and progressive world. Ashutosh. - Bhadra Govinda Dasa <raganuga <valist> Monday, March 14, 2005 02:05 Shiv Linga > > Ashutosh Ji asked : "What does shiv linga signify?" > > In Sanskrit Lingam means form, symptom or symbolic representation. Atma > Lingam means form/symbol of the soul. Manushya Lingam means form/symbol of > the human. > > In GJ when you use glyphs different planets are shown or represented in > different forms. Example Moon is symboliccally represented by a crescent, > Sun with a circle with a dot in the centre. However we all know actual > Sun's form is different, and the Sun God's form is also different and not > just a circle with a dot. > > Similaly what we see Shiva Lingam in the temples etc,. is a form or > symbolic representation of Lord Shiva, which is non different from that > Lord Shiva and we all respect and worship. > > Shiva is the name of the person, referred to the one of the Devas. Shiva > Lingam is a form of Lord Shiva. Shiva and his energy do not stay separate, > so in the siva linga his wife, our mother Parvati is also there. > > Lord Siva is considered the father of this universe, and material nature is > considered the mother. The father and mother are known as Lord Siva and > goddess Durga. Together, Lord Siva's genitals and the vagina of goddess > Durga are worshiped as the Siva-linga. This is the origin of the material > creation. > > Om Namah Sivaya. Vaisnavanaam yatha Shambhu. > > Yours Sincerely, > YB Prasad. > > > > - > "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh > <valist> > Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:00 PM > Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate > > > > > > Dear Amar Ji, > > I really like the way you keep discussion going. You > > are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too in > > your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious. Being > > spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If I > > were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking place > > and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as thats > > what I was being trained for during my teenage. > > And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange of mercury > > and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed this > > attitude. > > I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago that the > > transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries and > > frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is entering > > pisces what new can it do. > > Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the missionaries who > > are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you haven't > > answered > > my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga signify?" > > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > - > > fas fas <foreignersassistance > > <valist> > > Saturday, March 12, 2005 23:56 > > RE: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate > > > > > >> > >> Hello dear Astrologer Ashutosh and the List Members, > >> > >> Hare KRISHNA. > >> > >> Let me remind the Astrologer first that the combusted Mercury Lord of 3h > > in > >> his chart presently transiting debilitated under badly influence of > > malefic > >> Rahu in 9h of Pisces owned by malefic Jupiter also transiting 3h of Virgo > >> owned by weak combusted Mercury beside the bhukti lord Venus transiting > > 8h > >> of Cult owned by most malefic Saturn natally influencing Jupiter which > >> trigerred the whole issue of spiritual debate creating frustrations, > >> rejections and therefore lacking of analytical power altogether > > obstructing > >> in the understanding of Spiritual matter under discussion. > >> > >> That is the reason, List Members of his denial of understanding and not > >> seeing the Spiritual discussion beside his defending with ambiguity. > >> > >> Do you see what I see and agree with it, my friend Astrologer ? Are you > >> denying your Spiritual identity again ? > >> > >> Do you remember reading my answer to your querry sore on your back ? I > > hope > >> so. Here it is ; > >> > >> "The same very combination in your chart made you as a professional > >> astrologer, the same combination is responsible for you being an Atheist > > as > >> you wrote earlier in your post. Here it is how. > >> > >> The 8L Saturn most malefic planet debilitated in Navamsa casts seventh > >> aspects on 6L malefic Jupiter robs you off your spirituality beside the > > Sun > >> debilitated in Rashi and in Navamsa and the Moon weakly disposed > >> occupying > >> the 3rd house of Virgo combusted Mercury lacking power of clearity are > >> the > >> cause of your being Atheist despite the fact that you are a professonal > >> astrologer because the 10L exalted Mars (old age) is in the 7h of > > Capricorn > >> unafflicted and the Jupiter (significator of divine knowledge and > >> profession) is occupying the 5h. of Scorpio (Income) owned by exlated > > Mars. > >> > >> My humble suggestion to you is that please propitiate Saturn, Jupiter, > > Rahu > >> and Ketu and strengthen your weak benefic planets SUN, MOON, MERCURY, AND > >> MARS. Feel free to write. " > >> > >> I hope you are following the remedial measurers suggested above for your > >> betterment. If you need to know further how to propitiate the malefics, > >> simply write and ask for it. > >> > >> Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT. > >> > >> With my best wishes...........AMAR PURI. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh > >> >valist > >> ><valist> > >> >Rahu in ninth house > >> >Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:32 +0530 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Dear members, > >> > I was wondering what has caused this debate about > >> >religion and God. In fact, it was my statement that I am an atheist. > > Thats > >> >it, but, why did it happen now and why not earlier? The answer seems to > > lie > >> >in the impending transit of mean rahu in my horoscope's ninth house, > > house > >> >of religion and philosophy, in pisces with ketu and jupiter in virgo. > >> >The > >> >ground for Rahu's activities are being prepared. > >> > > >> > I only hope that this combination of ketu and jupiter > >> >(which will be there for next six months) does not result in heightened > >> >fanaticism around the world. > >> > > >> > Ashutosh. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Dear Ashutosh: I am joining this discussion for two reasons: 1) one is that I gather you are Cancer lagna (as I am) and I'm trying to glean everthing from the discussion about Rahu in Pisces and Ketu in Virgo (H-9 and H-3); and also my views in general are that I am profoundly spiritual but do not follow any formal religious path, although I have followed many paths of devotion in my 30-year spiritual practice that originate from religions; 2) second is that I had posted a poem to the list for Mahashivaratri, entitled 'Shivaling,' which I'm adding again to this email with my author's note about the sirgun and nirgun aspects of Shiva as follows: "The poem celebrates both the nirgun and sirgun aspects of Shiva; thus its title 'Shivaling,' which is mystically both the Himalayan mountain where Shiva dwells (sirgun) and the shivalingam representing the cosmic principle of the tantric union of opposites (nirgun). The speaker in the poem is symbolically cleansed of past karmas, and is thus reborn, or rebirthed, after her immersion in the Ganga and thereby, like the "river" will "surely one day...merge in the Sea" (of Self-realization). The imagery of being immersed in the Ganga is similar to the embryonic state of pre-birth, except now after her ritual purification, she emerges not in the world of samsara but is prepared to tread the path of Self-realization, the reason the poem ends with her meeting the sannyasis after her pilgrimage to the temple by the Ganges." The poem was was written 31 March 2000 in commemoration of a trip to India in 1988 that included a pilgrimage to Gangotri, the glacial origin of the holy Ganges—the setting for the poem and published March 8, 2005 on Shivaratri as "Reminiscence of Shiva" by editor Suhamoy Das in About Hinduism.com http://hinduism.about.com/od/lordshiva/a/ shivapoem.htm http://hinduism.about.com/b/a/151602.htm?nl=1 Janna Satyam Shivam Sundaram http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ Shivaling On the dark Moon, I dream placing a pineapple on the altar of Shiva and lighting a candle to burn in the darkness of the Moon. So I may dwell with the Beloved and, one day, dance, foot lifted, pointed to the sky in the new cycle of becoming birthing the Dream into being. In that stillness, as the spring snow drenched the Earth, I remembered offering myself at the temple as I lay under the pure Ganga stream, in the distance, Shivaling, where the yogi dreams above the shrill clamor of humanity in the valley below. The cool crystal water washes the ash on my forehead, and the ashes of one dear arise in my mind's eye, As I rise clear-eyed from the current rushing with the force of the river's journey homeward to the Sea. And I bow to the deathless Lord whose form I see, motionless in the still, white glacier beyond the swift, foam-capped waters, moving surely, one day to merge in the Sea. Halfway down the mountain, I paused at the bank of the strong, surging waters, in a flower garden smiling at two gracious monks robed in ocre. valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" < astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Prasad Ji, > Thanks a lot for explaining the symbolism in shiv > linga in such straight and simple way. The combination of feminine and > masculine energies can be seen in many cultures too like the ying-yang > theory in chinese mythology. In fact this could imply that equal > participation of both genders is necessary to create a balanced and > progressive world. > > > Ashutosh. > > > - > Bhadra Govinda Dasa <raganuga@c...> > <valist> > Monday, March 14, 2005 02:05 > Shiv Linga > > > > > > Ashutosh Ji asked : "What does shiv linga signify?" > > > > In Sanskrit Lingam means form, symptom or symbolic representation. Atma > > Lingam means form/symbol of the soul. Manushya Lingam means form/ symbol of > > the human. > > > > In GJ when you use glyphs different planets are shown or represented in > > different forms. Example Moon is symboliccally represented by a crescent, > > Sun with a circle with a dot in the centre. However we all know actual > > Sun's form is different, and the Sun God's form is also different and not > > just a circle with a dot. > > > > Similaly what we see Shiva Lingam in the temples etc,. is a form or > > symbolic representation of Lord Shiva, which is non different from that > > Lord Shiva and we all respect and worship. > > > > Shiva is the name of the person, referred to the one of the Devas. Shiva > > Lingam is a form of Lord Shiva. Shiva and his energy do not stay separate, > > so in the siva linga his wife, our mother Parvati is also there. > > > > Lord Siva is considered the father of this universe, and material nature > is > > considered the mother. The father and mother are known as Lord Siva and > > goddess Durga. Together, Lord Siva's genitals and the vagina of goddess > > Durga are worshiped as the Siva-linga. This is the origin of the material > > creation. > > > > Om Namah Sivaya. Vaisnavanaam yatha Shambhu. > > > > Yours Sincerely, > > YB Prasad. > > > > > > > > - > > "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> > > <valist> > > Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:00 PM > > Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amar Ji, > > > I really like the way you keep discussion going. You > > > are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too in > > > your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious. > Being > > > spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If I > > > were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking > place > > > and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as thats > > > what I was being trained for during my teenage. > > > And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange of > mercury > > > and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed this > > > attitude. > > > I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago that the > > > transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries and > > > frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is entering > > > pisces what new can it do. > > > Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the missionaries who > > > are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you haven't > > > answered > > > my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga signify?" > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Dear Janna, I have an innate affinity with people born in cancer lagna. Maybe thats because we like to ponder a lot. Your poem has a dreamlike quality and it seems you have spent a long time in Gangotri. Keep writing. You are literally overflowing with creativity. Send me your birth details too. Regards, Ashutosh. - Janna Lynn <jnanalynn <valist> Sunday, March 13, 2005 20:38 Re: Shiv Linga Dear Ashutosh: I am joining this discussion for two reasons: 1) one is that I gather you are Cancer lagna (as I am) and I'm trying to glean everthing from the discussion about Rahu in Pisces and Ketu in Virgo (H-9 and H-3); and also my views in general are that I am profoundly spiritual but do not follow any formal religious path, although I have followed many paths of devotion in my 30-year spiritual practice that originate from religions; 2) second is that I had posted a poem to the list for Mahashivaratri, entitled 'Shivaling,' which I'm adding again to this email with my author's note about the sirgun and nirgun aspects of Shiva as follows: "The poem celebrates both the nirgun and sirgun aspects of Shiva; thus its title 'Shivaling,' which is mystically both the Himalayan mountain where Shiva dwells (sirgun) and the shivalingam representing the cosmic principle of the tantric union of opposites (nirgun). The speaker in the poem is symbolically cleansed of past karmas, and is thus reborn, or rebirthed, after her immersion in the Ganga and thereby, like the "river" will "surely one day...merge in the Sea" (of Self-realization). The imagery of being immersed in the Ganga is similar to the embryonic state of pre-birth, except now after her ritual purification, she emerges not in the world of samsara but is prepared to tread the path of Self-realization, the reason the poem ends with her meeting the sannyasis after her pilgrimage to the temple by the Ganges." The poem was was written 31 March 2000 in commemoration of a trip to India in 1988 that included a pilgrimage to Gangotri, the glacial origin of the holy Ganges-the setting for the poem and published March 8, 2005 on Shivaratri as "Reminiscence of Shiva" by editor Suhamoy Das in About Hinduism.com http://hinduism.about.com/od/lordshiva/a/ shivapoem.htm http://hinduism.about.com/b/a/151602.htm?nl=1 Janna Satyam Shivam Sundaram http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ Shivaling On the dark Moon, I dream placing a pineapple on the altar of Shiva and lighting a candle to burn in the darkness of the Moon. So I may dwell with the Beloved and, one day, dance, foot lifted, pointed to the sky in the new cycle of becoming birthing the Dream into being. In that stillness, as the spring snow drenched the Earth, I remembered offering myself at the temple as I lay under the pure Ganga stream, in the distance, Shivaling, where the yogi dreams above the shrill clamor of humanity in the valley below. The cool crystal water washes the ash on my forehead, and the ashes of one dear arise in my mind's eye, As I rise clear-eyed from the current rushing with the force of the river's journey homeward to the Sea. And I bow to the deathless Lord whose form I see, motionless in the still, white glacier beyond the swift, foam-capped waters, moving surely, one day to merge in the Sea. Halfway down the mountain, I paused at the bank of the strong, surging waters, in a flower garden smiling at two gracious monks robed in ocre. valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" < astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Prasad Ji, > Thanks a lot for explaining the symbolism in shiv > linga in such straight and simple way. The combination of feminine and > masculine energies can be seen in many cultures too like the ying-yang > theory in chinese mythology. In fact this could imply that equal > participation of both genders is necessary to create a balanced and > progressive world. > > > Ashutosh. > > > - > Bhadra Govinda Dasa <raganuga@c...> > <valist> > Monday, March 14, 2005 02:05 > Shiv Linga > > > > > > Ashutosh Ji asked : "What does shiv linga signify?" > > > > In Sanskrit Lingam means form, symptom or symbolic representation. Atma > > Lingam means form/symbol of the soul. Manushya Lingam means form/ symbol of > > the human. > > > > In GJ when you use glyphs different planets are shown or represented in > > different forms. Example Moon is symboliccally represented by a crescent, > > Sun with a circle with a dot in the centre. However we all know actual > > Sun's form is different, and the Sun God's form is also different and not > > just a circle with a dot. > > > > Similaly what we see Shiva Lingam in the temples etc,. is a form or > > symbolic representation of Lord Shiva, which is non different from that > > Lord Shiva and we all respect and worship. > > > > Shiva is the name of the person, referred to the one of the Devas. Shiva > > Lingam is a form of Lord Shiva. Shiva and his energy do not stay separate, > > so in the siva linga his wife, our mother Parvati is also there. > > > > Lord Siva is considered the father of this universe, and material nature > is > > considered the mother. The father and mother are known as Lord Siva and > > goddess Durga. Together, Lord Siva's genitals and the vagina of goddess > > Durga are worshiped as the Siva-linga. This is the origin of the material > > creation. > > > > Om Namah Sivaya. Vaisnavanaam yatha Shambhu. > > > > Yours Sincerely, > > YB Prasad. > > > > > > > > - > > "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> > > <valist> > > Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:00 PM > > Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amar Ji, > > > I really like the way you keep discussion going. You > > > are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too in > > > your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious. > Being > > > spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If I > > > were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking > place > > > and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as thats > > > what I was being trained for during my teenage. > > > And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange of > mercury > > > and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed this > > > attitude. > > > I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago that the > > > transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries and > > > frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is entering > > > pisces what new can it do. > > > Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the missionaries who > > > are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you haven't > > > answered > > > my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga signify?" > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh. Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Dear Ashutosh: I would also like to know where you are and your birth details. I f you posted them to the list, I missed it (the posts are now so long that I am unable to read them to the end-the cursur stops). I connected with your posts because for many years I questioned if I was a "theist" or an "existentialist." I knew I was not atheist because I believed in what Dawn wrote about "consciousness," i.e., what the Buddhist calls "emptiness" (of names and forms) but what the Vedantin calls "fullness" (the bliss of consciousness after the negation of names and forms), which are the same teaching. I also wrote a poem about that, which I include below (and a book that is about the "dark moon bride wedded to the god of fire-Shiva, the same theme of union with the absolute through dissolution of the "I"). So I came to an acceptance of what others call "God" through my understanding of the Buddhist-Vedic teachings and felt then fine that I was "outside" concensus reality about "God." My birth details are: July 22, 1946 6:56 AM Salt Lake City, Utah, USA I do think I'm "in for it " with Saturn return summer 2005 and Saturn crossing ascendant summer 2006, which is another reason I was trying to follow your process—to find if there were any other transits in common beside H-3, H-9, Ketu-Rahu. But thank you for your reply. Janna Satyam Shivam Sundaram PS: Details of my book are on my website: http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ ALL IS FULL That truth is the negation of false That Light is the negation of dark, Not the opposite of false or dark. That all is only the negation of the pairs of opposites. That the Buddha's emptiness Is the Vedantin's fullness. That we are only mentations In the mind of Brahman Is the crown of the eggplant! A revelation like a burning flame In the embers of the dying vritti. That is such a relief, Now to live it! Om poornamadah, poornamidam… 03 February 2003 Miami, Florida valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" < astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Janna, > I have an innate affinity with people born in cancer > lagna. Maybe thats because we like to ponder a lot. Your poem has a > dreamlike quality and it seems you have spent a long time in Gangotri. Keep > writing. You are literally overflowing with creativity. > Send me your birth details too. > > Regards, > > Ashutosh. > > > > - > Janna Lynn <jnanalynn> > <valist> > Sunday, March 13, 2005 20:38 > Re: Shiv Linga > > > > > Dear Ashutosh: I am joining this discussion for two reasons: 1) one > is that I > gather you are Cancer lagna (as I am) and I'm trying to glean > everthing from > the discussion about Rahu in Pisces and Ketu in Virgo (H-9 and H-3); > and > also my views in general are that I am profoundly spiritual but do > not follow > any formal religious path, although I have followed many paths of > devotion in > my 30-year spiritual practice that originate from religions; 2) > second is that I > had posted a poem to the list for Mahashivaratri, entitled > 'Shivaling,' which I'm > adding again to this email with my author's note about the sirgun and > nirgun > aspects of Shiva as follows: > > "The poem celebrates both the nirgun and sirgun aspects of Shiva; > thus its > title 'Shivaling,' which is mystically both the Himalayan mountain > where Shiva > dwells (sirgun) and the shivalingam representing the cosmic principle > of the > tantric union of opposites (nirgun). The speaker in the poem is > symbolically > cleansed of past karmas, and is thus reborn, or rebirthed, after her > immersion > in the Ganga and thereby, like the "river" will "surely > one day...merge in the > Sea" (of Self-realization). The imagery of being immersed in the > Ganga is > similar to the embryonic state of pre-birth, except now after her > ritual > purification, she emerges not in the world of samsara but is prepared > to tread > the path of Self-realization, the reason the poem ends with her > meeting the > sannyasis after her pilgrimage to the temple by the Ganges." > > The poem was was written 31 March 2000 in commemoration of a trip to > India > in 1988 that included a pilgrimage to Gangotri, the glacial origin of > the holy > Ganges-the setting for the poem and published March 8, 2005 on > Shivaratri > as "Reminiscence of Shiva" by editor Suhamoy Das in About > Hinduism.com > http://hinduism.about.com/od/lordshiva/a/ > shivapoem.htm http://hinduism.about.com/b/a/151602.htm?nl=1 > > Janna > Satyam Shivam Sundaram > > http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ > > Shivaling > > On the dark Moon, I dream > placing a pineapple on the > altar of Shiva and lighting a candle > to burn in the darkness of the Moon. > > So I may dwell with the Beloved > and, one day, dance, foot lifted, > pointed to the sky in the new cycle of becoming > birthing the Dream into being. > > In that stillness, as the spring snow > drenched the Earth, > I remembered offering myself at the temple > as I lay under the pure Ganga stream, > in the distance, Shivaling, > where the yogi dreams > above the shrill clamor > of humanity in the valley below. > > The cool crystal water washes > the ash on my forehead, > and the ashes of one dear > arise in my mind's eye, > > As I rise clear-eyed from the current > rushing with the force > of the river's journey > homeward to the Sea. > > And I bow to the deathless Lord > whose form I see, motionless > in the still, white glacier > beyond the swift, foam-capped waters, > moving surely, one day to merge in the Sea. > Halfway down the mountain, I paused at the bank > of the strong, surging waters, in a flower garden > smiling at two gracious monks robed in ocre. > valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" < > astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear Prasad Ji, > > Thanks a lot for explaining the symbolism in > shiv > > linga in such straight and simple way. The combination of feminine > and > > masculine energies can be seen in many cultures too like the > ying-yang > > theory in chinese mythology. In fact this could imply that equal > > participation of both genders is necessary to create a balanced and > > progressive world. > > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > - > > Bhadra Govinda Dasa <raganuga@c...> > > <valist> > > Monday, March 14, 2005 02:05 > > Shiv Linga > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh Ji asked : "What does shiv linga signify?" > > > > > > In Sanskrit Lingam means form, symptom or symbolic > representation. > Atma > > > Lingam means form/symbol of the soul. Manushya Lingam means form/ > symbol of > > > the human. > > > > > > In GJ when you use glyphs different planets are shown or > represented in > > > different forms. Example Moon is symboliccally represented by a > crescent, > > > Sun with a circle with a dot in the centre. However we all know > actual > > > Sun's form is different, and the Sun God's form is also > different and not > > > just a circle with a dot. > > > > > > Similaly what we see Shiva Lingam in the temples etc,. is a form > or > > > symbolic representation of Lord Shiva, which is non different > from that > > > Lord Shiva and we all respect and worship. > > > > > > Shiva is the name of the person, referred to the one of the > Devas. Shiva > > > Lingam is a form of Lord Shiva. Shiva and his energy do not stay > separate, > > > so in the siva linga his wife, our mother Parvati is also there. > > > > > > Lord Siva is considered the father of this universe, and material > nature > > is > > > considered the mother. The father and mother are known as Lord > Siva > and > > > goddess Durga. Together, Lord Siva's genitals and the vagina of > goddess > > > Durga are worshiped as the Siva-linga. This is the origin of the > material > > > creation. > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya. Vaisnavanaam yatha Shambhu. > > > > > > Yours Sincerely, > > > YB Prasad. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> > > > <valist> > > > Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:00 PM > > > Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amar Ji, > > > > I really like the way you keep discussion > going. You > > > > are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual > pursuits too in > > > > your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not > religious. > > Being > > > > spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any > way. If I > > > > were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been > taking > > place > > > > and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir > as thats > > > > what I was being trained for during my teenage. > > > > And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange > of > > mercury > > > > and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed > this > > > > attitude. > > > > I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago > that the > > > > transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries > and > > > > frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is > entering > > > > pisces what new can it do. > > > > Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the > missionaries who > > > > are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you > haven't > > > > answered > > > > my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga > signify?" > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh. 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Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Ashutosh Ji asked : "What does shiv linga signify?" In Sanskrit Lingam means form, symptom or symbolic representation. Atma Lingam means form/symbol of the soul. Manushya Lingam means form/symbol of the human. In GJ when you use glyphs different planets are shown or represented in different forms. Example Moon is symboliccally represented by a crescent, Sun with a circle with a dot in the centre. However we all know actual Sun's form is different, and the Sun God's form is also different and not just a circle with a dot. Similaly what we see Shiva Lingam in the temples etc,. is a form or symbolic representation of Lord Shiva, which is non different from that Lord Shiva and we all respect and worship. Shiva is the name of the person, referred to the one of the Devas. Shiva Lingam is a form of Lord Shiva. Shiva and his energy do not stay separate, so in the siva linga his wife, our mother Parvati is also there. Lord Siva is considered the father of this universe, and material nature is considered the mother. The father and mother are known as Lord Siva and goddess Durga. Together, Lord Siva's genitals and the vagina of goddess Durga are worshiped as the Siva-linga. This is the origin of the material creation. Om Namah Sivaya. Vaisnavanaam yatha Shambhu. Yours Sincerely, YB Prasad. - "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh <valist> Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:00 PM Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate > > Dear Amar Ji, > I really like the way you keep discussion going. You > are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual pursuits too in > your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not religious. Being > spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any way. If I > were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been taking place > and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir as thats > what I was being trained for during my teenage. > And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange of mercury > and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed this > attitude. > I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago that the > transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries and > frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is entering > pisces what new can it do. > Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the missionaries who > are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you haven't > answered > my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga signify?" > > > Ashutosh. > > - > fas fas <foreignersassistance > <valist> > Saturday, March 12, 2005 23:56 > RE: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate > > >> >> Hello dear Astrologer Ashutosh and the List Members, >> >> Hare KRISHNA. >> >> Let me remind the Astrologer first that the combusted Mercury Lord of 3h > in >> his chart presently transiting debilitated under badly influence of > malefic >> Rahu in 9h of Pisces owned by malefic Jupiter also transiting 3h of Virgo >> owned by weak combusted Mercury beside the bhukti lord Venus transiting > 8h >> of Cult owned by most malefic Saturn natally influencing Jupiter which >> trigerred the whole issue of spiritual debate creating frustrations, >> rejections and therefore lacking of analytical power altogether > obstructing >> in the understanding of Spiritual matter under discussion. >> >> That is the reason, List Members of his denial of understanding and not >> seeing the Spiritual discussion beside his defending with ambiguity. >> >> Do you see what I see and agree with it, my friend Astrologer ? Are you >> denying your Spiritual identity again ? >> >> Do you remember reading my answer to your querry sore on your back ? I > hope >> so. Here it is ; >> >> "The same very combination in your chart made you as a professional >> astrologer, the same combination is responsible for you being an Atheist > as >> you wrote earlier in your post. Here it is how. >> >> The 8L Saturn most malefic planet debilitated in Navamsa casts seventh >> aspects on 6L malefic Jupiter robs you off your spirituality beside the > Sun >> debilitated in Rashi and in Navamsa and the Moon weakly disposed >> occupying >> the 3rd house of Virgo combusted Mercury lacking power of clearity are >> the >> cause of your being Atheist despite the fact that you are a professonal >> astrologer because the 10L exalted Mars (old age) is in the 7h of > Capricorn >> unafflicted and the Jupiter (significator of divine knowledge and >> profession) is occupying the 5h. of Scorpio (Income) owned by exlated > Mars. >> >> My humble suggestion to you is that please propitiate Saturn, Jupiter, > Rahu >> and Ketu and strengthen your weak benefic planets SUN, MOON, MERCURY, AND >> MARS. Feel free to write. " >> >> I hope you are following the remedial measurers suggested above for your >> betterment. If you need to know further how to propitiate the malefics, >> simply write and ask for it. >> >> Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT. >> >> With my best wishes...........AMAR PURI. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh >> >valist >> ><valist> >> >Rahu in ninth house >> >Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:32 +0530 >> > >> > >> > >> >Dear members, >> > I was wondering what has caused this debate about >> >religion and God. In fact, it was my statement that I am an atheist. > Thats >> >it, but, why did it happen now and why not earlier? The answer seems to > lie >> >in the impending transit of mean rahu in my horoscope's ninth house, > house >> >of religion and philosophy, in pisces with ketu and jupiter in virgo. >> >The >> >ground for Rahu's activities are being prepared. >> > >> > I only hope that this combination of ketu and jupiter >> >(which will be there for next six months) does not result in heightened >> >fanaticism around the world. >> > >> > Ashutosh. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Dear Janna, My birth details are as under: 19-10-1971 00.10 hrs JODHPUR , 26N18 73E08 Rajasthan, India. - Janna Lynn <jnanalynn <valist> Sunday, March 13, 2005 23:59 Re: Shiv Linga Dear Ashutosh: I would also like to know where you are and your birth details. I f you posted them to the list, I missed it (the posts are now so long that I am unable to read them to the end-the cursur stops). I connected with your posts because for many years I questioned if I was a "theist" or an "existentialist." I knew I was not atheist because I believed in what Dawn wrote about "consciousness," i.e., what the Buddhist calls "emptiness" (of names and forms) but what the Vedantin calls "fullness" (the bliss of consciousness after the negation of names and forms), which are the same teaching. I also wrote a poem about that, which I include below (and a book that is about the "dark moon bride wedded to the god of fire-Shiva, the same theme of union with the absolute through dissolution of the "I"). So I came to an acceptance of what others call "God" through my understanding of the Buddhist-Vedic teachings and felt then fine that I was "outside" concensus reality about "God." My birth details are: July 22, 1946 6:56 AM Salt Lake City, Utah, USA I do think I'm "in for it " with Saturn return summer 2005 and Saturn crossing ascendant summer 2006, which is another reason I was trying to follow your process-to find if there were any other transits in common beside H-3, H-9, Ketu-Rahu. But thank you for your reply. Janna Satyam Shivam Sundaram PS: Details of my book are on my website: http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ ALL IS FULL That truth is the negation of false That Light is the negation of dark, Not the opposite of false or dark. That all is only the negation of the pairs of opposites. That the Buddha's emptiness Is the Vedantin's fullness. That we are only mentations In the mind of Brahman Is the crown of the eggplant! A revelation like a burning flame In the embers of the dying vritti. That is such a relief, Now to live it! Om poornamadah, poornamidam. 03 February 2003 Miami, Florida valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" < astrologerashutosh> wrote: > Dear Janna, > I have an innate affinity with people born in cancer > lagna. Maybe thats because we like to ponder a lot. Your poem has a > dreamlike quality and it seems you have spent a long time in Gangotri. Keep > writing. You are literally overflowing with creativity. > Send me your birth details too. > > Regards, > > Ashutosh. > > > > - > Janna Lynn <jnanalynn> > <valist> > Sunday, March 13, 2005 20:38 > Re: Shiv Linga > > > > > Dear Ashutosh: I am joining this discussion for two reasons: 1) one > is that I > gather you are Cancer lagna (as I am) and I'm trying to glean > everthing from > the discussion about Rahu in Pisces and Ketu in Virgo (H-9 and H-3); > and > also my views in general are that I am profoundly spiritual but do > not follow > any formal religious path, although I have followed many paths of > devotion in > my 30-year spiritual practice that originate from religions; 2) > second is that I > had posted a poem to the list for Mahashivaratri, entitled > 'Shivaling,' which I'm > adding again to this email with my author's note about the sirgun and > nirgun > aspects of Shiva as follows: > > "The poem celebrates both the nirgun and sirgun aspects of Shiva; > thus its > title 'Shivaling,' which is mystically both the Himalayan mountain > where Shiva > dwells (sirgun) and the shivalingam representing the cosmic principle > of the > tantric union of opposites (nirgun). The speaker in the poem is > symbolically > cleansed of past karmas, and is thus reborn, or rebirthed, after her > immersion > in the Ganga and thereby, like the "river" will "surely > one day...merge in the > Sea" (of Self-realization). The imagery of being immersed in the > Ganga is > similar to the embryonic state of pre-birth, except now after her > ritual > purification, she emerges not in the world of samsara but is prepared > to tread > the path of Self-realization, the reason the poem ends with her > meeting the > sannyasis after her pilgrimage to the temple by the Ganges." > > The poem was was written 31 March 2000 in commemoration of a trip to > India > in 1988 that included a pilgrimage to Gangotri, the glacial origin of > the holy > Ganges-the setting for the poem and published March 8, 2005 on > Shivaratri > as "Reminiscence of Shiva" by editor Suhamoy Das in About > Hinduism.com > http://hinduism.about.com/od/lordshiva/a/ > shivapoem.htm http://hinduism.about.com/b/a/151602.htm?nl=1 > > Janna > Satyam Shivam Sundaram > > http://seven_directions.tripod.com/ > > Shivaling > > On the dark Moon, I dream > placing a pineapple on the > altar of Shiva and lighting a candle > to burn in the darkness of the Moon. > > So I may dwell with the Beloved > and, one day, dance, foot lifted, > pointed to the sky in the new cycle of becoming > birthing the Dream into being. > > In that stillness, as the spring snow > drenched the Earth, > I remembered offering myself at the temple > as I lay under the pure Ganga stream, > in the distance, Shivaling, > where the yogi dreams > above the shrill clamor > of humanity in the valley below. > > The cool crystal water washes > the ash on my forehead, > and the ashes of one dear > arise in my mind's eye, > > As I rise clear-eyed from the current > rushing with the force > of the river's journey > homeward to the Sea. > > And I bow to the deathless Lord > whose form I see, motionless > in the still, white glacier > beyond the swift, foam-capped waters, > moving surely, one day to merge in the Sea. > Halfway down the mountain, I paused at the bank > of the strong, surging waters, in a flower garden > smiling at two gracious monks robed in ocre. > valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" < > astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear Prasad Ji, > > Thanks a lot for explaining the symbolism in > shiv > > linga in such straight and simple way. The combination of feminine > and > > masculine energies can be seen in many cultures too like the > ying-yang > > theory in chinese mythology. In fact this could imply that equal > > participation of both genders is necessary to create a balanced and > > progressive world. > > > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > - > > Bhadra Govinda Dasa <raganuga@c...> > > <valist> > > Monday, March 14, 2005 02:05 > > Shiv Linga > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh Ji asked : "What does shiv linga signify?" > > > > > > In Sanskrit Lingam means form, symptom or symbolic > representation. > Atma > > > Lingam means form/symbol of the soul. Manushya Lingam means form/ > symbol of > > > the human. > > > > > > In GJ when you use glyphs different planets are shown or > represented in > > > different forms. Example Moon is symboliccally represented by a > crescent, > > > Sun with a circle with a dot in the centre. However we all know > actual > > > Sun's form is different, and the Sun God's form is also > different and not > > > just a circle with a dot. > > > > > > Similaly what we see Shiva Lingam in the temples etc,. is a form > or > > > symbolic representation of Lord Shiva, which is non different > from that > > > Lord Shiva and we all respect and worship. > > > > > > Shiva is the name of the person, referred to the one of the > Devas. Shiva > > > Lingam is a form of Lord Shiva. Shiva and his energy do not stay > separate, > > > so in the siva linga his wife, our mother Parvati is also there. > > > > > > Lord Siva is considered the father of this universe, and material > nature > > is > > > considered the mother. The father and mother are known as Lord > Siva > and > > > goddess Durga. Together, Lord Siva's genitals and the vagina of > goddess > > > Durga are worshiped as the Siva-linga. This is the origin of the > material > > > creation. > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya. Vaisnavanaam yatha Shambhu. > > > > > > Yours Sincerely, > > > YB Prasad. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> > > > <valist> > > > Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:00 PM > > > Re: Rahu in ninth house /Spritual debate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amar Ji, > > > > I really like the way you keep discussion > going. You > > > > are true gentleman and totally devoted in your spiritual > pursuits too in > > > > your prefered way. As I said that I am spiritual but not > religious. > > Being > > > > spiritual does not imply acceptance of god or divinity in any > way. If I > > > > were not spiritual then this whole debate wouldn't have been > taking > > place > > > > and I would be firing bullets at terrorists somehere in Kashmir > as thats > > > > what I was being trained for during my teenage. > > > > And it is not the immediate effect of rashi interchange > of > > mercury > > > > and jupiter in my ninth and third house that I have developed > this > > > > attitude. > > > > I have been like this since long. I was wondering a month ago > that the > > > > transit of Rahu in my tenth house has given me lots of worries > and > > > > frustations concerning my work and my father. Now, when it is > entering > > > > pisces what new can it do. > > > > Dear Amar Ji, you have started sounding like the > missionaries who > > > > are bent upon converting everybody to their faith. But, you > haven't > > > > answered > > > > my query regarding Shiv Linga till now. "What does shiv linga > signify?" > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh. 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