Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I think it becomes more risky to wear the gemstone then. I personally believe that a planet when purely benefic (9th lord etc.) and ill placed in 6/8/12, then it is weak and it can be helped with the gemstones. However, this is just the general statement / essence but a lot of things to consider. Most of the cases, I would say that even a 9th lord's stone is risky if the planet is very seriously afflicted. Bec it might amplify the negative effects as well. But it needs help also. So still benefit is more than the harms it might do, so someone can go for it. But in general, a 9th lord in 6/8/12 will be helped by the stone (Unless it is seriously afflicted and/or rules an evil house same time.) Regards Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - Babu valist Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:02 PM Re: Wearing GEM ?:BOTH Deblated planets forming NeechaBangaRajayogas in MOKSHA house I think if the lords of the 6/8/12 houses are in any of the 6/8/12 houses there is no harm wearing the gems. But why wear gems, instead feed the needy and animals, it it instant karma. Thats my belief. babu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Dear Babu, Viprit rajyoga means the person will be able to survive even under adverse conditions and will be able to re-establish oneself. But, ironically, it is the effect of lords of malefic houses itself which brings adversities on him. Rajyoga means the person will have financial and social gains but it does not guarrantee good health. Viprit Rajyoga always creates health problems, caues accidents and drastic ups and downs in life. Therefore, wearing gems for planets responsible for VR is not recommended. Viprit Rajyoga theory was first propounded by Kavi Kalidas. It is a lesser known fact that he was an astrologer too besides being a great poet and a playright. Ashutosh. - Babu <Yash1nt <valist> Thursday, March 24, 2005 21:32 Re: Wearing GEM ?:BOTH Deblated planets forming NeechaBangaRajayogas in MOKSHA house > > I think if the lords of the 6/8/12 houses are in any of the 6/8/12 > houses there is no harm wearing the gems. > > But why wear gems, instead feed the needy and animals, it it instant karma. > > Thats my belief. > > babu. > > gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: > > >~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > >Hi, > > > >I have a doubt / question here as according to what I > >have learned so far, the gemstone of any planet placed > >in 6th, 8th or 12th (exception lagna lord) should not > >be prescribed. > > > >Also, mars is bhadkesh for leo lagna. So would not it > >better to suggest yellow sapphire (to reduce the > >effect of malefic mars and kuja dosha) > > > >I request gurus / learned member to kindly comment on > >this. > > > >Regards, > > > >Neeraj Gupta > > > >--- VS_Bhargav wrote: > > > > > > > >>Dear Rakesh, > >> > >>Though the coral would be recommended, which would > >>ward off bad > >>transitional effects of mars (transiting sagitarius > >>where mars gives 0 > >>points in ashtakavarga), it may not be suitable to > >>wear ruby, as sun is > >>avayogi and also has a bad company (lord of 12 and > >>enemy - venus). > >> > >>Also, Lord Narasimha would be worshipped for Mars > >>when Mercury is involved > >>in the affliction. when you want to propitiate only > >>Mars, it would be Lord > >>Subramanya or Mars himself. > >> > >>Please note that Neechabhanga would occur when a > >>debilitated planet becomes > >>retrograde. the rajayoga (a kind of) which you have > >>is due to exchange of > >>houses between Moon and Mars (parivartan yoga), > >>which is not very effective > >>now, as the dasha is somebody else's (Venus). You > >>may continue to chant for > >>Moon as advised by other respected astrologers. > >> > >>corrections/suggestions are welcome, as I am also > >>learning. > >> > >>Regards > >>Bhargav > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "Bhadra Govinda > >> > >> > >> Dasa" To: > >> <valist> > >> > >> <raganuga@cyberwa cc: > >> > >> > >> y.com.sg> > >> Re: Wearing GEM ?:BOTH Deblated > >>planets forming NeechaBanga Rajayogas in > >> > >>MOKSHA house > >> > >> 03/23/2005 12:38 > >> > >> > >> PM > >> > >> > >> Please respond to > >> > >> > >> valist > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Dear Rakesh, > >> > >>Another inexpensive way according to great > >>astrologers, you may worship > >>Lord > >>Narasimhadev, for debilitated Mars and worship Lord > >>Krishna for pacifying > >>moon. > >> > >>You may chant "Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya" and "Om > >>Namo Bhagavate > >>Narasimhaya" every day. > >> > >>Warm Regards, > >>YB Prasad > >> > >> > >>- > >>"Engineer, Adi" <aengineer > >><valist> > >>Tuesday, March 22, 2005 6:58 AM > >>RE: Wearing GEM ?:BOTH Deblated > >>planets forming NeechaBanga > >>Rajayogas in MOKSHA house > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi rakesh, > >>> > >>>saw your birth chart in which mars is a yoga > >>> > >>> > >>karaka planet which is > >> > >> > >>>debilated and placed in 12 house, which has made > >>> > >>> > >>it very very weak, you > >> > >> > >>>are suppose to wear a good quality red coral of 9 > >>> > >>> > >>crts set in ring made > >>of > >> > >> > >>>gold and copper (with bottom open) on a Tuesday > >>> > >>> > >>after sunrise on your > >>ring > >> > >> > >>>finger with a good quality ruby of 3 crts set in > >>> > >>> > >>gold and wear it on ring > >> > >> > >> > >>>finger on Sunday after sunrise or if possible set > >>> > >>> > >>both red coral and ruby > >> > >> > >> > >>>in gold and copper and wear it as a pendant or a > >>> > >>> > >>bracelet. Never wear > >> > >> > >>>pearl or moonstone as moon is ruling a dustahana > >>> > >>> > >>(12th house) you can > >> > >> > >>>pacify moon by giving donation and do charity work > >>> > >>> > >>and fasting on > >>Mondays. > >> > >> > >>>Hope this will solve your problem > >>> > >>>Adi > >>> > >>> > >>>rakeshv_happy > >>> > >>> > >>[rakeshv_happy] > >> > >> > >>>Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:35 AM > >>>valist > >>>Wearing GEM ?:BOTH Deblated plnets > >>> > >>> > >>forming NeechaBanga > >> > >> > >>>Rajayogas in MOKSHA house > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Dear all, > >>>In my horoscope there is Neechabanga rajayoga > >>> > >>> > >>formed between > >> > >> > >>>yogakaraka > >>>mars(lord of 4&9 houses), A.K moon (lord of 12th > >>> > >>> > >>house). > >> > >> > >>>here both planets are becoming capable of > >>> > >>> > >>producing n.b.rajayoga? > >> > >> > >>>Neechabhanga Raja Yogas, the planet that cancels > >>> > >>> > >>the debilitation > >> > >> > >>>gains strength and motivation from the debilitated > >>> > >>> > >>planet and uplifts > >> > >> > >>>the native. The dasa of the planet canceling the > >>> > >>> > >>debilitation will > >> > >> > >>>give the success, while the dasa of the > >>> > >>> > >>debilitated planet will be > >> > >> > >>>troublesome. The planet canceling the debilitation > >>> > >>> > >>also supports the > >> > >> > >>>indications of the debilitated planet. > >>>here which planet will suffer? > >>> > >>>both these planets related moksha house denote > >>> > >>> > >>spiritual progress? > >> > >> > >>>as these planets aspect KARMA BHAVA ---mars(rasi > >>> > >>> > >>aspect),moon(planet > >> > >> > >>>aspect) denote rise in profession? > >>> > >>>Here we need to strengthen(wearing gems) the > >>> > >>> > >>deblted planet > >> > >> > >>>participating in n.b.rajayoga OR not? > >>> > >>>birth details > >>>place; 78E08 , 17N28 > >>>date; dec-10-1977 > >>>time; 23:30 > >>> > >>>Hoping of getting some valueable opinions!!!! > >>> > >>>rakesh > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>: > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >=== message truncated === > > > > > >http://www.neerajgupta.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. > Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! > http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Thank you, Ashutosh. There are so many yogas and there is no easy arm-chair method to understand astrology. I read about the VPR in BV RAMAN's 300 INPORTANT COMBINATIONS. But then, I believe experience is more important than text book knowledge. Good to 'hear' from you. Regards. Babu. astrologerashutosh wrote: >Dear Babu, > Viprit rajyoga means the person will be able to survive >even under adverse conditions and will be able to re-establish oneself. But, >ironically, it is the effect of lords of malefic houses itself which brings >adversities on him. Rajyoga means the person will have financial and social >gains but it does not guarrantee good health. Viprit Rajyoga always creates >health problems, caues accidents and drastic ups and downs in life. >Therefore, wearing gems for planets responsible for VR is not recommended. > Viprit Rajyoga theory was first propounded by Kavi Kalidas. It is a >lesser known fact that he was an astrologer too besides being a great poet >and a playright. > >Ashutosh. > > > >- >Babu <Yash1nt ><valist> >Thursday, March 24, 2005 21:32 >Re: Wearing GEM ?:BOTH Deblated planets forming >NeechaBangaRajayogas in MOKSHA house > > > > >>I think if the lords of the 6/8/12 houses are in any of the 6/8/12 >>houses there is no harm wearing the gems. >> >>But why wear gems, instead feed the needy and animals, it it instant >> >> >karma. > > >>Thats my belief. >> >>babu. >> >>gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: >> >> >> >>>~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I have a doubt / question here as according to what I >>>have learned so far, the gemstone of any planet placed >>>in 6th, 8th or 12th (exception lagna lord) should not >>>be prescribed. >>> >>>Also, mars is bhadkesh for leo lagna. So would not it >>>better to suggest yellow sapphire (to reduce the >>>effect of malefic mars and kuja dosha) >>> >>>I request gurus / learned member to kindly comment on >>>this. >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Neeraj Gupta >>> >>>--- VS_Bhargav wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Dear Rakesh, >>>> >>>>Though the coral would be recommended, which would >>>>ward off bad >>>>transitional effects of mars (transiting sagitarius >>>>where mars gives 0 >>>>points in ashtakavarga), it may not be suitable to >>>>wear ruby, as sun is >>>>avayogi and also has a bad company (lord of 12 and >>>>enemy - venus). >>>> >>>>Also, Lord Narasimha would be worshipped for Mars >>>>when Mercury is involved >>>>in the affliction. when you want to propitiate only >>>>Mars, it would be Lord >>>>Subramanya or Mars himself. >>>> >>>>Please note that Neechabhanga would occur when a >>>>debilitated planet becomes >>>>retrograde. the rajayoga (a kind of) which you have >>>>is due to exchange of >>>>houses between Moon and Mars (parivartan yoga), >>>>which is not very effective >>>>now, as the dasha is somebody else's (Venus). You >>>>may continue to chant for >>>>Moon as advised by other respected astrologers. >>>> >>>>corrections/suggestions are welcome, as I am also >>>>learning. >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Bhargav >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bhadra Govinda >>>> >>>> >>>> Dasa" To: >>>> <valist> >>>> >>>> <raganuga@cyberwa cc: >>>> >>>> >>>> y.com.sg> >>>> Re: Wearing GEM ?:BOTH Deblated >>>>planets forming NeechaBanga Rajayogas in >>>> >>>>MOKSHA house >>>> >>>> 03/23/2005 12:38 >>>> >>>> >>>> PM >>>> >>>> >>>> Please respond to >>>> >>>> >>>> valist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Dear Rakesh, >>>> >>>>Another inexpensive way according to great >>>>astrologers, you may worship >>>>Lord >>>>Narasimhadev, for debilitated Mars and worship Lord >>>>Krishna for pacifying >>>>moon. >>>> >>>>You may chant "Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya" and "Om >>>>Namo Bhagavate >>>>Narasimhaya" every day. >>>> >>>>Warm Regards, >>>>YB Prasad >>>> >>>> >>>>- >>>>"Engineer, Adi" <aengineer >>>><valist> >>>>Tuesday, March 22, 2005 6:58 AM >>>>RE: Wearing GEM ?:BOTH Deblated >>>>planets forming NeechaBanga >>>>Rajayogas in MOKSHA house >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi rakesh, >>>>> >>>>>saw your birth chart in which mars is a yoga >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>karaka planet which is >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>debilated and placed in 12 house, which has made >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>it very very weak, you >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>are suppose to wear a good quality red coral of 9 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>crts set in ring made >>>>of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>gold and copper (with bottom open) on a Tuesday >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>after sunrise on your >>>>ring >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>finger with a good quality ruby of 3 crts set in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>gold and wear it on ring >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>finger on Sunday after sunrise or if possible set >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>both red coral and ruby >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>in gold and copper and wear it as a pendant or a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>bracelet. Never wear >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>pearl or moonstone as moon is ruling a dustahana >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>(12th house) you can >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>pacify moon by giving donation and do charity work >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>and fasting on >>>>Mondays. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hope this will solve your problem >>>>> >>>>>Adi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>rakeshv_happy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>[rakeshv_happy] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:35 AM >>>>>valist >>>>>Wearing GEM ?:BOTH Deblated plnets >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>forming NeechaBanga >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Rajayogas in MOKSHA house >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Dear all, >>>>>In my horoscope there is Neechabanga rajayoga >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>formed between >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>yogakaraka >>>>>mars(lord of 4&9 houses), A.K moon (lord of 12th >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>house). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>here both planets are becoming capable of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>producing n.b.rajayoga? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Neechabhanga Raja Yogas, the planet that cancels >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>the debilitation >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>gains strength and motivation from the debilitated >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>planet and uplifts >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>the native. The dasa of the planet canceling the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>debilitation will >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>give the success, while the dasa of the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>debilitated planet will be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>troublesome. The planet canceling the debilitation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>also supports the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>indications of the debilitated planet. >>>>>here which planet will suffer? >>>>> >>>>>both these planets related moksha house denote >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>spiritual progress? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>as these planets aspect KARMA BHAVA ---mars(rasi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>aspect),moon(planet >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>aspect) denote rise in profession? >>>>> >>>>>Here we need to strengthen(wearing gems) the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>deblted planet >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>participating in n.b.rajayoga OR not? >>>>> >>>>>birth details >>>>>place; 78E08 , 17N28 >>>>>date; dec-10-1977 >>>>>time; 23:30 >>>>> >>>>>Hoping of getting some valueable opinions!!!! >>>>> >>>>>rakesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>=== message truncated === >>> >>> >>>http://www.neerajgupta.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. >>Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! >>http://shopnow.netscape.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Links > > > > > > > > > -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Dear Babu, Christian and List, This is an interesting chart and discussion - thanks for offering this chart Christian and for sharing your thoughts on this Babu. One thing to note on this chart is that Ketu is in severe gandanta in Jyeshtha and in nakshatra parivartana with Mercury who is starlord of Jyeshtha. Mercury himself in Moola, which can be a difficult nakshatra (and Venus in Moola as well), and as you've said in 12H. Then further as you've mentioned this tight conjunction with Venus and Mercury. This Ketu also receives 10H aspect from Saturn. Also Ketu is in Badhaka 11H. This along with what you've mentioned Babu with 8th lord Sun and aspecting Moon in sandhi degree (even though this Moon is 98% full and waxing). In Navamsa Sun is also closely conjoined 8th and 1st lord Mars, and Sun and Mars both in Sun's star in Rasi chart. With both planets for mind, Moon and Mercury, in these conditions and this association with a gandanta Ketu, this could give the results you've mentioned, these experiences for your friend Christian. Depression and despair or despondency is also signified by Saturn, and here we have this strong 10H aspect of Saturn onto this Ketu in nakshatra parivartana with Mercury.. and as you said she is in Sade Sati with Saturn 12H from this weak Moon. Also Moon is isolated in this chart with only aspect from Sun, 8H lord. (Saturn also aspecting 3H aspect onto her 4H as well as Mars 8H aspect onto 4H.) >From what you've describe below Christian, these symptoms/results show this Ketu involvement and as you said she is currently running Ketu/Venus. Venus is also in Ketu's star and this tight conjunction with this Mercury. This gandanta Ketu needs to have appropriate measures taken for propritiation. From Light on Life, the authors write: "Grahas located at these points are very weak, and indicate major problems in the native's life unless the grahas involved are strengthen by appropriate remedies." >From looking at her chart Christian, I'm interested to know the other effects of the sandhi and gandanta in her chart along with 8H lord, and it being Sun, in her 1H and aspecting this Moon. These sandhi and gandanta effects can be auspicious for certain spiritual reasons and would like to hear your thoughts, if you have any on this effect with your friend. With so much going on here perhaps the Navagraha Puja and Navagraha Mantra would be good along with taking remedial measures for Ketu. As you know, Saturn is currently just moving forward from being retrograde and then stationary this week in Gemini, Gemini another significator for mind, and in her 6H, worries, suffering, anxiety, diseases, etc. and giving then a strong aspect onto this natal Mercury and from Mercury's own house. And as Babu has mentioned Saturn with what you said with Saturn now 12 houses from her natal Moon. Saturn natally in Rahu's star, this close relation then to this Ketu... (In KP chart Rahu is in 4H - seat of emotions and mind as well.) All best wishes to your friend Christian, Patrice _______________ During her mercury dasa she studies medicine, but everything in her live is now collapsing, no job, strange diseases, serious mental problems. This fits your "could be disasterous", well there is now a Ketu dasa. This seems to me one of the cases, where a mercury dasa gives no luck in the end (and mercury is moving towards the sign of its debiliation). Venus as raja yoga karaka seems to be of no help right now, well, venus is in 12 too, and together with mercury. Maybe venus dasa is going to be better nevertheless. What do you think? I forgot to say, that she is also in Sade Sati with SATURN gong through Cancer next year, that adds to the difficulties. Christian Am Fr, 2005-03-25 um 14.57 schrieb Babu: > In her chart the MOON, although of its own house, the CANCER is utterly > weak because it is at 0:15 and according to some aspected by the > KETU.So the coming KETU/MOON period from 27/08/2006 will be trying for her. > > Besides that, The 8th lord SUN aspects the MOON from the First house, > so KETU/SUN period does not look promising. > > It is difficult to say. I would like others from the group to advise on > this. > > Regards. > > Babu. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Dear Patrice thank you for the first for your analysis, I will think of what you wrote and reply to you later in more detail. Cheers Christian Am Fr, 2005-03-25 um 21.33 schrieb Patrice Curry: > Dear Babu, Christian and List, > > This is an interesting chart and discussion - thanks for offering this chart > Christian and for sharing your thoughts on this Babu. > > One thing to note on this chart is that Ketu is in severe gandanta in > Jyeshtha and in nakshatra parivartana with Mercury who is starlord of > Jyeshtha. Mercury himself in Moola, which can be a difficult nakshatra (and > Venus in Moola as well), and as you've said in 12H. Then further as you've > mentioned this tight conjunction with Venus and Mercury. This Ketu also > receives 10H aspect from Saturn. Also Ketu is in Badhaka 11H. This along > with what you've mentioned Babu with 8th lord Sun and aspecting Moon in > sandhi degree (even though this Moon is 98% full and waxing). In Navamsa Sun > is also closely conjoined 8th and 1st lord Mars, and Sun and Mars both in > Sun's star in Rasi chart. > > With both planets for mind, Moon and Mercury, in these conditions and this > association with a gandanta Ketu, this could give the results you've > mentioned, these experiences for your friend Christian. > > Depression and despair or despondency is also signified by Saturn, and here > we have this strong 10H aspect of Saturn onto this Ketu in nakshatra > parivartana with Mercury.. and as you said she is in Sade Sati with Saturn > 12H from this weak Moon. Also Moon is isolated in this chart with only > aspect from Sun, 8H lord. (Saturn also aspecting 3H aspect onto her 4H as > well as Mars 8H aspect onto 4H.) > > >From what you've describe below Christian, these symptoms/results show this > Ketu involvement and as you said she is currently running Ketu/Venus. Venus > is also in Ketu's star and this tight conjunction with this Mercury. > > This gandanta Ketu needs to have appropriate measures taken for > propritiation. From Light on Life, the authors write: "Grahas located at > these points are very weak, and indicate major problems in the native's life > unless the grahas involved are strengthen by appropriate remedies." > > >From looking at her chart Christian, I'm interested to know the other > effects of the sandhi and gandanta in her chart along with 8H lord, and it > being Sun, in her 1H and aspecting this Moon. These sandhi and gandanta > effects can be auspicious for certain spiritual reasons and would like to > hear your thoughts, if you have any on this effect with your friend. > > With so much going on here perhaps the Navagraha Puja and Navagraha Mantra > would be good along with taking remedial measures for Ketu. As you know, > Saturn is currently just moving forward from being retrograde and then > stationary this week in Gemini, Gemini another significator for mind, and in > her 6H, worries, suffering, anxiety, diseases, etc. and giving then a strong > aspect onto this natal Mercury and from Mercury's own house. And as Babu has > mentioned Saturn with what you said with Saturn now 12 houses from her natal > Moon. Saturn natally in Rahu's star, this close relation then to this > Ketu... (In KP chart Rahu is in 4H - seat of emotions and mind as well.) > > All best wishes to your friend Christian, > Patrice > > _______________ > During her mercury dasa she studies medicine, but > everything in her live is now collapsing, no job, strange diseases, > serious mental problems. This fits your "could be disasterous", well > there is now a Ketu dasa. > This seems to me one of the cases, where a mercury dasa gives no luck in > the end (and mercury is moving towards the sign of its debiliation). > Venus as raja yoga karaka seems to be of no help right now, well, venus > is in 12 too, and together with mercury. Maybe venus dasa is going to be > better nevertheless. What do you think? > I forgot to say, that she is also in Sade Sati with SATURN gong through > Cancer next year, that adds to the difficulties. > > Christian > Am Fr, 2005-03-25 um 14.57 schrieb Babu: > > In her chart the MOON, although of its own house, the CANCER is utterly > > weak because it is at 0:15 and according to some aspected by the > > KETU.So the coming KETU/MOON period from 27/08/2006 will be trying for > her. > > > > Besides that, The 8th lord SUN aspects the MOON from the First house, > > so KETU/SUN period does not look promising. > > > > It is difficult to say. I would like others from the group to advise on > > this. > > > > Regards. > > > > Babu. > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Dear Patrice, I would like to offer some more thoughts to your contribution. There are several things which worry me. I just list some observations: She has a father who is bi-polar, and it might be possible that she inherited this mental disorder from him. She herself is diagnosed with high probability of having a "borderline syndrome" ( I hope you know what this is.) She studies medicine in her mercury dasa with a lot of foreign travel and stays abroad in this period. She survived at least five incidents during that time where you normally think somebody would not survive it (e.g. a snake bit in Indonesia, reanimation with electric cardiac shock). She has now a child (male, Urs, 22 August 2003, Hamburg Germany, time 02:40 am). She chased the husband out of her flat and now complaines about missing support in child raising. In her last jobs in hospitals she always had problems with superiors (selfrighteness behaviour). She is now without a job. She tried to make an MD (medical doctor) but failed by not completing the thesis properly (about 1999). She is very intuitive in diagnosing correctly the diseases of her patients. I also looked into the chart of the child (where you have Moon-Ketu, and Moon opposition Pluto and more things pointing to a difficult mother). The child is born in a mars dasa, indicating "fights" between the parents, which indeed happen. And now staionary Saturn is on his Ascendent. There is a Mars-Ketu Dasa for Urs in 2006 parallel to her own Ketu/Sun and Ketu/Moon period. She has a "melancholic tendency", to say at least, but compensates the depressions with aggressions. Since about a year she has "strange" health problems. By "strange" I mean e.g a severe skin problem which was never diagnosed properly. It is hopeless to tell her anything what to do (remedies, going to a doctor, taking drugs), because "the others" are always wrong. You can imagine that I am really worrying about her, mostly because there seems nothing I or anybody else can do. Can you make somthing out of that, do you need detail dates? best wishes Christian Am Fr, 2005-03-25 um 21.33 schrieb Patrice Curry: > Dear Babu, Christian and List, > > This is an interesting chart and discussion - thanks for offering this chart > Christian and for sharing your thoughts on this Babu. > > One thing to note on this chart is that Ketu is in severe gandanta in > Jyeshtha and in nakshatra parivartana with Mercury who is starlord of > Jyeshtha. Mercury himself in Moola, which can be a difficult nakshatra (and > Venus in Moola as well), and as you've said in 12H. Then further as you've > mentioned this tight conjunction with Venus and Mercury. This Ketu also > receives 10H aspect from Saturn. Also Ketu is in Badhaka 11H. This along > with what you've mentioned Babu with 8th lord Sun and aspecting Moon in > sandhi degree (even though this Moon is 98% full and waxing). In Navamsa Sun > is also closely conjoined 8th and 1st lord Mars, and Sun and Mars both in > Sun's star in Rasi chart. > > With both planets for mind, Moon and Mercury, in these conditions and this > association with a gandanta Ketu, this could give the results you've > mentioned, these experiences for your friend Christian. > > Depression and despair or despondency is also signified by Saturn, and here > we have this strong 10H aspect of Saturn onto this Ketu in nakshatra > parivartana with Mercury.. and as you said she is in Sade Sati with Saturn > 12H from this weak Moon. Also Moon is isolated in this chart with only > aspect from Sun, 8H lord. (Saturn also aspecting 3H aspect onto her 4H as > well as Mars 8H aspect onto 4H.) > > >From what you've describe below Christian, these symptoms/results show this > Ketu involvement and as you said she is currently running Ketu/Venus. Venus > is also in Ketu's star and this tight conjunction with this Mercury. > > This gandanta Ketu needs to have appropriate measures taken for > propritiation. From Light on Life, the authors write: "Grahas located at > these points are very weak, and indicate major problems in the native's life > unless the grahas involved are strengthen by appropriate remedies." > > >From looking at her chart Christian, I'm interested to know the other > effects of the sandhi and gandanta in her chart along with 8H lord, and it > being Sun, in her 1H and aspecting this Moon. These sandhi and gandanta > effects can be auspicious for certain spiritual reasons and would like to > hear your thoughts, if you have any on this effect with your friend. > > With so much going on here perhaps the Navagraha Puja and Navagraha Mantra > would be good along with taking remedial measures for Ketu. As you know, > Saturn is currently just moving forward from being retrograde and then > stationary this week in Gemini, Gemini another significator for mind, and in > her 6H, worries, suffering, anxiety, diseases, etc. and giving then a strong > aspect onto this natal Mercury and from Mercury's own house. And as Babu has > mentioned Saturn with what you said with Saturn now 12 houses from her natal > Moon. Saturn natally in Rahu's star, this close relation then to this > Ketu... (In KP chart Rahu is in 4H - seat of emotions and mind as well.) > > All best wishes to your friend Christian, > Patrice > > _______________ > During her mercury dasa she studies medicine, but > everything in her live is now collapsing, no job, strange diseases, > serious mental problems. This fits your "could be disasterous", well > there is now a Ketu dasa. > This seems to me one of the cases, where a mercury dasa gives no luck in > the end (and mercury is moving towards the sign of its debiliation). > Venus as raja yoga karaka seems to be of no help right now, well, venus > is in 12 too, and together with mercury. Maybe venus dasa is going to be > better nevertheless. What do you think? > I forgot to say, that she is also in Sade Sati with SATURN gong through > Cancer next year, that adds to the difficulties. > > Christian > Am Fr, 2005-03-25 um 14.57 schrieb Babu: > > In her chart the MOON, although of its own house, the CANCER is utterly > > weak because it is at 0:15 and according to some aspected by the > > KETU.So the coming KETU/MOON period from 27/08/2006 will be trying for > her. > > > > Besides that, The 8th lord SUN aspects the MOON from the First house, > > so KETU/SUN period does not look promising. > > > > It is difficult to say. I would like others from the group to advise on > > this. > > > > Regards. > > > > Babu. > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Dear Patrice, one mor thing about Diana. She has a lot of Pitta and very little Vatta and Kapha, and she behaves like that. A Tibetan doctor once told her, that she has too much "wind", which is the same. During her pregnancy she got a lot of kapha - litterally - her body accumulated a lot of water. Christian Am Fr, 2005-03-25 um 21.33 schrieb Patrice Curry: > Dear Babu, Christian and List, > > This is an interesting chart and discussion - thanks for offering this chart > Christian and for sharing your thoughts on this Babu. > > One thing to note on this chart is that Ketu is in severe gandanta in > Jyeshtha and in nakshatra parivartana with Mercury who is starlord of > Jyeshtha. Mercury himself in Moola, which can be a difficult nakshatra (and > Venus in Moola as well), and as you've said in 12H. Then further as you've > mentioned this tight conjunction with Venus and Mercury. This Ketu also > receives 10H aspect from Saturn. Also Ketu is in Badhaka 11H. This along > with what you've mentioned Babu with 8th lord Sun and aspecting Moon in > sandhi degree (even though this Moon is 98% full and waxing). In Navamsa Sun > is also closely conjoined 8th and 1st lord Mars, and Sun and Mars both in > Sun's star in Rasi chart. > > With both planets for mind, Moon and Mercury, in these conditions and this > association with a gandanta Ketu, this could give the results you've > mentioned, these experiences for your friend Christian. > > Depression and despair or despondency is also signified by Saturn, and here > we have this strong 10H aspect of Saturn onto this Ketu in nakshatra > parivartana with Mercury.. and as you said she is in Sade Sati with Saturn > 12H from this weak Moon. Also Moon is isolated in this chart with only > aspect from Sun, 8H lord. (Saturn also aspecting 3H aspect onto her 4H as > well as Mars 8H aspect onto 4H.) > > >From what you've describe below Christian, these symptoms/results show this > Ketu involvement and as you said she is currently running Ketu/Venus. Venus > is also in Ketu's star and this tight conjunction with this Mercury. > > This gandanta Ketu needs to have appropriate measures taken for > propritiation. From Light on Life, the authors write: "Grahas located at > these points are very weak, and indicate major problems in the native's life > unless the grahas involved are strengthen by appropriate remedies." > > >From looking at her chart Christian, I'm interested to know the other > effects of the sandhi and gandanta in her chart along with 8H lord, and it > being Sun, in her 1H and aspecting this Moon. These sandhi and gandanta > effects can be auspicious for certain spiritual reasons and would like to > hear your thoughts, if you have any on this effect with your friend. > > With so much going on here perhaps the Navagraha Puja and Navagraha Mantra > would be good along with taking remedial measures for Ketu. As you know, > Saturn is currently just moving forward from being retrograde and then > stationary this week in Gemini, Gemini another significator for mind, and in > her 6H, worries, suffering, anxiety, diseases, etc. and giving then a strong > aspect onto this natal Mercury and from Mercury's own house. And as Babu has > mentioned Saturn with what you said with Saturn now 12 houses from her natal > Moon. Saturn natally in Rahu's star, this close relation then to this > Ketu... (In KP chart Rahu is in 4H - seat of emotions and mind as well.) > > All best wishes to your friend Christian, > Patrice > > _______________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Sorry to interrupt...but 'pitta' is 'acid' and 'wind' is 'vatta' (and 'kapha' is 'mucus') -AC Christian Grosche <Christian.Grosche wrote: Dear Patrice, one mor thing about Diana. She has a lot of Pitta and very little Vatta and Kapha, and she behaves like that. A Tibetan doctor once told her, that she has too much "wind", which is the same. During her pregnancy she got a lot of kapha - litterally - her body accumulated a lot of water. Christian Am Fr, 2005-03-25 um 21.33 schrieb Patrice Curry: > Dear Babu, Christian and List, > > This is an interesting chart and discussion - thanks for offering this chart > Christian and for sharing your thoughts on this Babu. > > One thing to note on this chart is that Ketu is in severe gandanta in > Jyeshtha and in nakshatra parivartana with Mercury who is starlord of > Jyeshtha. Mercury himself in Moola, which can be a difficult nakshatra (and > Venus in Moola as well), and as you've said in 12H. Then further as you've > mentioned this tight conjunction with Venus and Mercury. This Ketu also > receives 10H aspect from Saturn. Also Ketu is in Badhaka 11H. This along > with what you've mentioned Babu with 8th lord Sun and aspecting Moon in > sandhi degree (even though this Moon is 98% full and waxing). In Navamsa Sun > is also closely conjoined 8th and 1st lord Mars, and Sun and Mars both in > Sun's star in Rasi chart. > > With both planets for mind, Moon and Mercury, in these conditions and this > association with a gandanta Ketu, this could give the results you've > mentioned, these experiences for your friend Christian. > > Depression and despair or despondency is also signified by Saturn, and here > we have this strong 10H aspect of Saturn onto this Ketu in nakshatra > parivartana with Mercury.. and as you said she is in Sade Sati with Saturn > 12H from this weak Moon. Also Moon is isolated in this chart with only > aspect from Sun, 8H lord. (Saturn also aspecting 3H aspect onto her 4H as > well as Mars 8H aspect onto 4H.) > > >From what you've describe below Christian, these symptoms/results show this > Ketu involvement and as you said she is currently running Ketu/Venus. Venus > is also in Ketu's star and this tight conjunction with this Mercury. > > This gandanta Ketu needs to have appropriate measures taken for > propritiation. From Light on Life, the authors write: "Grahas located at > these points are very weak, and indicate major problems in the native's life > unless the grahas involved are strengthen by appropriate remedies." > > >From looking at her chart Christian, I'm interested to know the other > effects of the sandhi and gandanta in her chart along with 8H lord, and it > being Sun, in her 1H and aspecting this Moon. These sandhi and gandanta > effects can be auspicious for certain spiritual reasons and would like to > hear your thoughts, if you have any on this effect with your friend. > > With so much going on here perhaps the Navagraha Puja and Navagraha Mantra > would be good along with taking remedial measures for Ketu. As you know, > Saturn is currently just moving forward from being retrograde and then > stationary this week in Gemini, Gemini another significator for mind, and in > her 6H, worries, suffering, anxiety, diseases, etc. and giving then a strong > aspect onto this natal Mercury and from Mercury's own house. And as Babu has > mentioned Saturn with what you said with Saturn now 12 houses from her natal > Moon. Saturn natally in Rahu's star, this close relation then to this > Ketu... (In KP chart Rahu is in 4H - seat of emotions and mind as well.) > > All best wishes to your friend Christian, > Patrice > > _______________ Make your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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