Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Dear RESPECTED FRIENDS, Thank you very much for your further observations on the suffering lady's chart. I would like to mention here that an astrologer is supposed to be NEXT to GOD but at the same time his word is not final. Therefore, this is my humble suggestion to fellow brothers/sisters that one should not discourage people by attacking on them personally one way or the other. Some of you may have seen my mails to different distressed people on various issues (on various lists) and I try to give them right kind of advice through this divine vedic vidya because I feel that they reach to a divine person only when they are destined to get relief from pain and agony of life. It is a point to be noted that whenever our ego or ahamkaar sheds our divine knowledge we tend to fail in making correct predictions. This, we can see everywhere. True knowledge reflects itself rather than pointing it out to people that I have done this or I have done that - In such a scenario the person/s concerned should have been masters in their functional area. It is not the Vidya to be mastered but to be understood and reflect upon the self to reach the highest abode called "Paramatma" (the supreme self) and in the said course we are pillars of society - guiding mortals to the divine or strengthening them in such a way that they actually reach or take the path of divinity. Do we not read the story of Ahilya (sexual relations with Indra) in Ramayana or Mother Mary in Bible (unmarried mother) - why dont we point out to them that they had taken such steps that changed the course of the society. Do we not realize that it was a way for them to realize the Supreme Self or they had such fate. Any one of you who have gone deeper into your self will realize that this world is a balance of Shiva and Shakti - two opposite powers yet manifesting into the supreme self. To be more explicit, the balance of good and bad has kept this universe alive and going. Whenever one disbalances then some divine power comes to balance it out. Do we not see that some planets are benefic while some are malefic - is it not a balance of powers. These are planetary manifestation of the Supreme Self that are working on this balance of good and bad. Yet, the stage comes when the situation is out of these planetary powers as well then the mortal manifestation of this Supreme Power happens. Many of you may have realised that during our bad phases we are not even able to visit the temple inside our home or the one located in our neighbouring areas. So, when the good is supposed to come in our lives we will be able to go to all sorts of divine places/people - this is most certain. One has to go through this karmic mayachakra (ilussionary wheel) according to one's past deeds/results (prarabdha) and current endeavours/efforts etc. and I dont think we have a right to discard fellow brothers and sisters in any way. We as astrologers, should be thankful to GOD for providing us an opportunity to be his/her representative and helping people rather than being disgraceful to them - who knows if the Vidya remains with US in such a way or not. I regret if I am wrong or if it hurts to our alter ego. With best regards, Prakash Kandpal - "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d valist Re: Urgent Help Needed Wed, 4 May 2005 00:05:57 +0530 > > This is in reference to Prakash Kandpal 's readings of the lady s > horoscope.. > > > The 7 th house is greatly afflicted as 7 th house in Rahu-ketu axis and 7 th > lord in navamsa afflicted by Saturn. Mars and venus ( venus in navamsa of > Saturn ) in 11 th also add to the plight. > > > > As the Mars dasa begins and the transit Saturn closes on both the dasa lord > and kalatrakarak and having only 2 bindus in its bhinaastak varga I am in > doubt whether true peace would prevail despite all the good factors > mentioned by Prakash. > > Also note that the 4 th house is occupied by the malefic Saturn destroying > peace and happiness. > > So while the carrier prospects may improve , it is unlikely that any > improvement in conjugal happiness or end in the relationship with the friend > would happen .. > > > > I see no end to this Trinshanku position at least for the next 2 yrs. > Legal divorce seem unlikely at least for now, improvement in financial state > and gynecological disorder are among other things that seem to await in the > coming months > > > > Gurudatta dash > > > > > Links > > > > PHONE:+91-98105-27196 -- _________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Dear Sir, Your words are true and full with wisdom. Regards, jagannathan. Prakash Kandpal <Pck wrote: Dear RESPECTED FRIENDS, Thank you very much for your further observations on the suffering lady's chart. I would like to mention here that an astrologer is supposed to be NEXT to GOD but at the same time his word is not final. Therefore, this is my humble suggestion to fellow brothers/sisters that one should not discourage people by attacking on them personally one way or the other. Some of you may have seen my mails to different distressed people on various issues (on various lists) and I try to give them right kind of advice through this divine vedic vidya because I feel that they reach to a divine person only when they are destined to get relief from pain and agony of life. It is a point to be noted that whenever our ego or ahamkaar sheds our divine knowledge we tend to fail in making correct predictions. This, we can see everywhere. True knowledge reflects itself rather than pointing it out to people that I have done this or I have done that - In such a scenario the person/s concerned should have been masters in their functional area. It is not the Vidya to be mastered but to be understood and reflect upon the self to reach the highest abode called "Paramatma" (the supreme self) and in the said course we are pillars of society - guiding mortals to the divine or strengthening them in such a way that they actually reach or take the path of divinity. Do we not read the story of Ahilya (sexual relations with Indra) in Ramayana or Mother Mary in Bible (unmarried mother) - why dont we point out to them that they had taken such steps that changed the course of the society. Do we not realize that it was a way for them to realize the Supreme Self or they had such fate. Any one of you who have gone deeper into your self will realize that this world is a balance of Shiva and Shakti - two opposite powers yet manifesting into the supreme self. To be more explicit, the balance of good and bad has kept this universe alive and going. Whenever one disbalances then some divine power comes to balance it out. Do we not see that some planets are benefic while some are malefic - is it not a balance of powers. These are planetary manifestation of the Supreme Self that are working on this balance of good and bad. Yet, the stage comes when the situation is out of these planetary powers as well then the mortal manifestation of this Supreme Power happens. Many of you may have realised that during our bad phases we are not even able to visit the temple inside our home or the one located in our neighbouring areas. So, when the good is supposed to come in our lives we will be able to go to all sorts of divine places/people - this is most certain. One has to go through this karmic mayachakra (ilussionary wheel) according to one's past deeds/results (prarabdha) and current endeavours/efforts etc. and I dont think we have a right to discard fellow brothers and sisters in any way. We as astrologers, should be thankful to GOD for providing us an opportunity to be his/her representative and helping people rather than being disgraceful to them - who knows if the Vidya remains with US in such a way or not. I regret if I am wrong or if it hurts to our alter ego. With best regards, Prakash Kandpal - "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" valist Re: Urgent Help Needed Wed, 4 May 2005 00:05:57 +0530 > > This is in reference to Prakash Kandpal 's readings of the lady s > horoscope.. > > > The 7 th house is greatly afflicted as 7 th house in Rahu-ketu axis and 7 th > lord in navamsa afflicted by Saturn. Mars and venus ( venus in navamsa of > Saturn ) in 11 th also add to the plight. > > > > As the Mars dasa begins and the transit Saturn closes on both the dasa lord > and kalatrakarak and having only 2 bindus in its bhinaastak varga I am in > doubt whether true peace would prevail despite all the good factors > mentioned by Prakash. > > Also note that the 4 th house is occupied by the malefic Saturn destroying > peace and happiness. > > So while the carrier prospects may improve , it is unlikely that any > improvement in conjugal happiness or end in the relationship with the friend > would happen .. > > > > I see no end to this Trinshanku position at least for the next 2 yrs. > Legal divorce seem unlikely at least for now, improvement in financial state > and gynecological disorder are among other things that seem to await in the > coming months > > > > Gurudatta dash > > > > > Links > > > > PHONE:+91-98105-27196 -- _________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm Jagannathan . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 dear prakash I completely agree with u regarding the role of an astrologer However, I think (I am new this group of course) the main aim of this group is to discuss various technical points among interested people in Vedic astrology rather than to act as a counselor for any one. For that, numerous sites and professionals are available. However to use rude words to hurt someone does not arise on any matter. But we must confine ourselves to technical matters without being much emotional for or against the person (whose horoscope we are studying) for it would surely cloud our readings I would like u to comment on the technical points I have raised against u r observations and we can follow up the case if possible and can see which prediction comes true as astrology is a practical science and it can be evaluated just like medical science. However as I was reflecting on the horoscope it seems to me a great change in the life of the lady is likely as the Mars takes on the rein of her life flow. considering from Chandra lagna there is an exchange of lagna and ninth though both are in depression and Jupiter in lagna would create a gradual but sure spiritual turn in the inner sphere which may not be apparent to outside world, it may be she could see the transitoriness and not-very-dependable world-structure and her mind may turn towards the ultimate at a deeper level without any outward show . transit of Saturn on the natal postion of dasa lord only adding fuel to this inner drive. Mars in the star of mercury and 9th lord venus from lagna reinforces my believe that as the Mars dasa advances she would take more interest in the religious and occult , but I do see the continuation of the present state as far as conjugal life is concerned However astrology is a science of indications and if proper remedial measures are taken and one takes refuge in the feet of Guru and Gobinda much can be avoided. Gurudatta Dash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Dear Shri Gurudatta Dash, Thank you very much for your kind acceptance on the role of an astrologer. As it is written in Bhagwat Gita - whether in grief or happiness; one should keep a balance (sama bhava). Therefore, I am OK with what is going on and never try to take sides. Somebody on or off the list who approaches us has a case which becomes an example for others and it is astrology only at the forefront of the group's objectives/discussions. And each case has different dimensions/angles that we try to look on. Now coming back to the chart; I have the following to say: I think the problem in the relations would have been caused more by the transiting position of the nodes over last one and half years (Aries & Libra respectively); more so by Ketu in Libra after end August'03 - seperation would have come around that time only. Both these nodes were 8th from their respective natal positions - which means separation or end of marital harmony/relationships. Also Jupiter was in 12th house during that time which happens to be 6th house from 7th house. Jupiter being the lord of the 7th house being posited in 12th house (6th from 7th) indicates enemity with marital partner. Now, atleast the nodes and Jupiter have better positions than earlier. Jupiter occupies 9th position from 7th house of marriage in natal chart and also occupies exaltation in navamansa - so marital luck is there. The position of Mars & Moon has done much damage in this case being the trinal lords to the house of marriage. Yet, the exchange between them will be helpful in restoration of marriage. Venus though the lord of marriage from Moon (mental satisfaction from marriage) is afflicted in Moon's house and together with Mars it has the power to create realtionships beyong marriage. Yet, the aspect of Jupiter on the said planetary positions helps in restoration of marriage. In the Navamansa chart as well, Venus' occupation of 8th house is not good but the positive aspects of Saturn+Jupiter is good. As far as general condition of happiness is concerned, rather than looking at only Saturn in the 4th house (friendly for Saturn) - I would also see the 4th lord & its placement from 4th house, Moon/Venus (significator of 4th house) & their position, 4th from Moon, 4th Navamansa & 4th lord in navamansa. We can see that 4th lord Jupiter is 12th from 4th together with Moon - therefore less happiness, Venus occupies 8th position from 4th house - therefore less domestic happiness, 4th lord from Moon is Saturn & that occupies 11th house - indicates happiness; 4th lord is exalted in navamansa - indicates happiness, Mercury is lord of 4th Navamansa and occupies 12th house i.e. 9th from 4th house - therefore happiness. So, I can say that happiness or domestic comforts are there say almost 60% or so. You may have different views on this though. On being religious, I agree with you and Jupiter in currect transit aspecting 9th house also signifies good luck to this aspect. Hope the above is fine with you. Regards, Prakash - "Dr. Gurudatta Dash" <gurudatta_d valist Re: Urgent Help Needed - To All Concerned Wed, 4 May 2005 12:56:15 +0530 > > dear prakash > > I completely agree with u regarding the role of an astrologer > > However, I think (I am new this group of course) the main aim of this group > is to discuss various technical points among interested people in Vedic > astrology rather than to act as a counselor for any one. For that, numerous > sites and professionals are available. However to use rude words to hurt > someone does not arise on any matter. But we must confine ourselves to > technical matters without being much emotional for or against the person > (whose horoscope we are studying) for it would surely cloud our readings > > > > I would like u to comment on the technical points I have raised against u r > observations and we can follow up the case if possible and can see which > prediction comes true as astrology is a practical science and it can be > evaluated just like medical science. > > > > However as I was reflecting on the horoscope it seems to me a great change > in the life of the lady is likely as the Mars takes on the rein of her life > flow. considering from Chandra lagna there is an exchange of lagna and ninth > though both are in depression and Jupiter in lagna would create a gradual > but sure spiritual turn in the inner sphere which may not be apparent to > outside world, it may be she could see the transitoriness and > not-very-dependable world-structure and her mind may turn towards the > ultimate at a deeper level without any outward show . transit of Saturn on > the natal postion of dasa lord only adding fuel to this inner drive. > > > > Mars in the star of mercury and 9th lord venus from lagna reinforces my > believe that as the Mars dasa advances she would take more interest in the > religious and occult , but I do see the continuation of the present state as > far as conjugal life is concerned > > > > However astrology is a science of indications and if proper remedial > measures are taken and one takes refuge in the feet of Guru and Gobinda much > can be avoided. > > > > Gurudatta Dash > > > > > > > Links > > > > PHONE:+91-98105-27196 -- _________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Dear Sri Prakash Thank u for the kind analysis of the horoscope while I agree with u r many points we must observe that it is unlikely only transits have caused such a disaster...thou they may trigger an event which was latent before. while i accept the analysis as being totally classical and as per Hora Saastras I would like u and other friends of this group to share some of my personal observations born out of my experience of study of diff charts. ( also sanctioned by Ancient seers and Saastras) 1.. a)Jupiter the most benefic whose aspect and association we value so much, losses most of its power of causing good when it is a malefic from the lagna, in this case Jupiter is a dire malefic for Virgo being lord of double kendra ( kendraadhipati dosastu balabaan gurusukroyoh) and also retrograde . b) also when any of the houses of any planet occupied by malefic that planet who is the lord losses much of its benefic nature and in this case u can see that both the houses are occupied by the malefic one by Sani , the other by Ketu.. Therefore, the aspect is not as powerful as it should be. Had it been Karka Lagna or Vrischika and the signs of Jupiter namely Dhanus and Meena would have been occupied by benefics ;the aspect would have been much beneficial. Now this view of mine is reinforced by the fact that had Jupiter been bestowed with the necessary power it would have not dragged the case so far... now extramarital relation for a lady creates much conflict inside than in case of male person. Also let us note that Jupiter is retrograde... so losing much of its goodness. 2. whatever the power or goodness of Dasa may be if Saturn transits or aspects the sign where the Dasa lord is placed no good is produced till it releases the Dasa lord. I have observed exalted planets loss there power under the grasp of transit Sani. Kumbha and Makara lagna being the exceptions. 3. Astakavarga is too imp. Only 3 bindus in Mangala's bhinaa- Astakavarga only 25 vindus in Saravastak (now 25 bindus would have been sufficient normally but since planets are ill placed in these cases more needed to overcome the evil). Now Mars is in Venus's Kaaskhya. and Venus has not contributed a bindu , now whenever a planet is in the Kaaskhya of another planet and the latter had not contributed a bindu in the Prastarastakavarga ( to that sign) it is unusual that the Dasa of that planet would be much good. 4. However the classical dictum that all planets do good in 11th stands and so improvement in carrier and finance. Therefore, my conclusion is that 1. no legal separation ( your points referring to Jupiter s power.. now that the lady thinks twice and in doubt is Jupiter's aspect preventing her.. had there been no aspect from Jupiter there would have been divorce by now ) 2. but no conjugal happiness... status quo cont... Even if marriage is restored in physical sense (I doubt)... mental and emotional union unlikely. 3 carrier improvement... boss would be satisfied once transit Saturn moves liberating the tenth lord. 4. Gynecological trouble (may lead to an operation) as mars afflicts Venus. 5. Inner spiritual turn as I have said in previous letter.. ( exchange of Chandra lagna -lord and 9th lord.. powerful Jupiter in Chandra lagna associated with vairagya kaarak sani in navaamsa) As the lagna is powerful and all the planets in necessary sadbal the lady would stand and continue despite all obstructions. ( it is a powerful jaatak after all) Another observation Prakash, u can see that even though Jupiter is exalted in Navamsa it is afflicted by Saturn. So lacks necessary strength to restore conjugal happiness.(But I would be happy if ur predictions comes true) This Jupiter is powerful for carrier , somewhat good for strength of mind and for spiritual progress but feeble for conjugal bliss.. In addition, whenever ( I have found... u may not agree ... u can experiment) venus is in Saturn's Navamsa...( esp Makara ) some problems do occur in sexual life. Unsatisfied sex life .. Consummation does nor occur unless powerful neutralizing factors are there .. however even in best case some problem will remain. ( do not know why .. but it is true) I would like our other learned friends comment and share their variable knowledge and experience regarding these matters. Astrologically yours Gurudatta dash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hi, WARNING: THIS IS A LONG MAIL. HAVE PATIENCE IF YOU CHOOSE TO READ. Since this case has already drawn a lot of attention, I thought that I need to put in a few points on this. First of all, I cannot quote from astrological texts as I have learnt astrology in the "guru-shishya parampara"(Teacher-student interaction mode). However, I intend to bring in the experience of 3 generations of astrologers that I am in the process of understanding under their tutelage. my personal opinion is that when a "Jataka" (Person whose horoscope is being analyzed) comes to the astrologer, it is the astrologer's duty to identify the Root cause of the problem (and confirm if a problem exists at all) before getting into the timing analysis and the cure prescription. To this end, Firstly, one of the key aspects to be bourne in mind is that any permanent effect on the jataka can always be found in the Rasi Chart. The divisional charts can be used after that to fine tune the readings and the transits & dasas etc... can be used for timing. Second, While we are restricting the current analysis to the "house of marriage", the analysis will not be restricted to the 7th. house. There are 3 major parts of Marriage - Praja (procreation), Kutumba Sukha (family happiness) and Bhagya (good fortune). In a female horoscope, the 7th house, its occupants, its lord and Venus are indicators of Praja. The 2nd. house, its occupants, its lord and Moon are the indicators of the Kutumba and The 9th. house, its occupants, its lord and Jupiter are the indicators of the Bhagya. Data in the Chart - 7th. house is pisces. Ketu is in 7th. Lord is Jupiter. 7th house is aspected by Jupiter. Venus is in Cancer, in the 11th. Venus is joined by Mars. Jupiter is in Sag., in the 3rd. Jup is joined by Moon. Mars and Moon are neecha. All Planets in the Chart have good shadbala. While the presence of ketu in the 7th and the joining of Mars with Venus point towards high passions, the benign Drishti of Jupiter on 7, 9 and Venus/mars combination will definitely keep it within the boundaries of dharma. I do not see this as a major problem. 2nd house is Libra, no planets in Libra, Mars drishti on Libra, 2nd lord is Venus. Moon is neecha in the 3rd. 2nd lord is joined by Mars Neecha. Jupiter's beingn Drishti on 2nd. Lord/mars combination. Jupiter Joins Moon. While the presence of Jupiter Drishti is on the 2nd. Lord/Mars combination, there is no benefic Dristi on the 2nd. house. Also, the karaka moon is Neecha. This house is largely afflicted. I do see problems in Marital Happiness. 9th house is Taurus. No Planets in Taurus, Jupiter and Moon aspect Taurus. Venus is the Lord of 9th Placed in the 11th. While the 9th. lord is afflicted by Mars, but the Benign Drishti of Jupiter both on the 9th. and the 9th. lord and the Drishti of Moon will definitely do well for the Bhagya. Hence the kalatra Bhagya (Fortune of getting Married) is there. The Moon is the Atma karaka (Jaimini) and is neecha, in the 3rd. Hence worries, doubtful, wavering mind etc... Jupiter is Dara karaka (Jaimini) positioned in the 3rd. Spouse may not deviate from the Dharmic path. Based on all these facts, my opinion is that the problem primarily not about Sex and sexual plesure or passion (as some of the mails seem to indicate) but is more due to misunderstandings and doubts and arguments etc... Hence vatsayana's(I am going by the e-mail ID) comments seem to be uncalled for. In my opinion the primary cause for this is the combined effect of Moon and Mars and not the Jupiter and Sani. Hence we should be doing more detailed analysis on Moon and Mars, their transits, their dasa periods etc... Definitely the problems have been amplified during the Moon period. The arguments have increased. (I am making another assumption here, the Jataka will be frank and outspoken. Positions of Rahu and merc. indicate this. Hence the emphasis on arguments rather than just hiding the pain in the heart) This has created more tensions and burden on the mind. She has found solace in a friend (My guess is that initially she has been drawn to the "friend" that she refers to because of this reason only). But given her nature, once that friend gets close, she has doubts and apprihentions obout this person as well. It is not a case of selfishness but a case of wavering mind (Moon's effect). While all other dasas could be better than the Moon dasa on this aspect, my guess is that mars dasa may not be very different as well. My request to the Jataka (naengineer - I am going by the e-mail ID) is to confirm some of the opinions and analysis made in this mail. Only if the analysis is correct, and the root cause identified correctly, will it be worthwhile to look at remedial measures. Regards, manohara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 valist, "Manohara Nagaraja" < manohara.nagaraja@r...> wrote: Dear Manohara Nagaraja, I am thrilled to see the same essential analysis as my own in this case and propose two additional factors significant to her well being - 1. rahu in lagna - does this not make her more susceptible to the ever rising level of stress in our "collective consciouness". 2. mars as eighth lord, moon in vrischika (nat. sig 8th) combined with mars position in cancer.....all relate to 8th lords function to purify the emotional body....do u agree? sincerely, david > Hi, > > WARNING: THIS IS A LONG MAIL. HAVE PATIENCE IF YOU CHOOSE TO READ. > > Since this case has already drawn a lot of attention, I thought that I need to put in a few points on this. > > First of all, I cannot quote from astrological texts as I have learnt astrology in the "guru-shishya > > parampara"(Teacher-student interaction mode). However, I intend to bring in the experience of 3 generations of astrologers > > that I am in the process of understanding under their tutelage. > > my personal opinion is that when a "Jataka" (Person whose horoscope is being analyzed) comes to the astrologer, it is the > > astrologer's duty to identify the Root cause of the problem (and confirm if a problem exists at all) before getting into the > > timing analysis and the cure prescription. To this end, > > Firstly, one of the key aspects to be bourne in mind is that any permanent effect on the jataka can always be found in the > > Rasi Chart. The divisional charts can be used after that to fine tune the readings and the transits & dasas etc... can be > > used for timing. > > Second, While we are restricting the current analysis to the "house of marriage", the analysis will not be restricted to the > > 7th. house. There are 3 major parts of Marriage - Praja (procreation), Kutumba Sukha (family happiness) and Bhagya (good > > fortune). In a female horoscope, the 7th house, its occupants, its lord and Venus are indicators of Praja. The 2nd. house, > > its occupants, its lord and Moon are the indicators of the Kutumba and The 9th. house, its occupants, its lord and Jupiter > > are the indicators of the Bhagya. > > Data in the Chart - > > 7th. house is pisces. Ketu is in 7th. Lord is Jupiter. 7th house is aspected by Jupiter. > Venus is in Cancer, in the 11th. Venus is joined by Mars. > Jupiter is in Sag., in the 3rd. Jup is joined by Moon. > Mars and Moon are neecha. > All Planets in the Chart have good shadbala. > > While the presence of ketu in the 7th and the joining of Mars with Venus point towards high passions, the benign Drishti of > > Jupiter on 7, 9 and Venus/mars combination will definitely keep it within the boundaries of dharma. I do not see this as a > > major problem. > > 2nd house is Libra, no planets in Libra, Mars drishti on Libra, 2nd lord is Venus. > Moon is neecha in the 3rd. > 2nd lord is joined by Mars Neecha. > Jupiter's beingn Drishti on 2nd. Lord/mars combination. > Jupiter Joins Moon. > > While the presence of Jupiter Drishti is on the 2nd. Lord/Mars combination, there is no benefic Dristi on the 2nd. house. > > Also, the karaka moon is Neecha. This house is largely afflicted. I do see problems in Marital Happiness. > > 9th house is Taurus. No Planets in Taurus, Jupiter and Moon aspect Taurus. Venus is the Lord of 9th Placed in the 11th. > > While the 9th. lord is afflicted by Mars, but the Benign Drishti of Jupiter both on the 9th. and the 9th. lord and the > > Drishti of Moon will definitely do well for the Bhagya. Hence the kalatra Bhagya (Fortune of getting Married) is there. > > The Moon is the Atma karaka (Jaimini) and is neecha, in the 3rd. Hence worries, doubtful, wavering mind etc... > Jupiter is Dara karaka (Jaimini) positioned in the 3rd. Spouse may not deviate from the Dharmic path. > > Based on all these facts, my opinion is that the problem primarily not about Sex and sexual plesure or passion (as some of > > the mails seem to indicate) but is more due to misunderstandings and doubts and arguments etc... Hence vatsayana's(I am > > going by the e-mail ID) comments seem to be uncalled for. In my opinion the primary cause for this is the combined effect of > > Moon and Mars and not the Jupiter and Sani. Hence we should be doing more detailed analysis on Moon and Mars, their > > transits, their dasa periods etc... > > Definitely the problems have been amplified during the Moon period. The arguments have increased. (I am making another > > assumption here, the Jataka will be frank and outspoken. Positions of Rahu and merc. indicate this. Hence the emphasis on > > arguments rather than just hiding the pain in the heart) This has created more tensions and burden on the mind. She has > > found solace in a friend (My guess is that initially she has been drawn to the "friend" that she refers to because of this > > reason only). But given her nature, once that friend gets close, she has doubts and apprihentions obout this person as well. > > It is not a case of selfishness but a case of wavering mind (Moon's effect). While all other dasas could be better than the > > Moon dasa on this aspect, my guess is that mars dasa may not be very different as well. > > My request to the Jataka (naengineer - I am going by the e-mail ID) is to confirm some of the opinions and analysis made in > > this mail. Only if the analysis is correct, and the root cause identified correctly, will it be worthwhile to look at > > remedial measures. > > Regards, > manohara > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Dear Sir: I am so very pleased to have read your email. You have exactly understood the reason behind the marital discord. IT IS NOT SEX OR ANY SEXUAL PLEASURE. The distance and marital discord has been due to serious misundertandings, doubts arising in each other's minds, lack of trust and some compatibility issues. Financially I have let down several times during my marriage and feel very strongly about that. I am a self made person who had worked very hard to support the entire family and feel very sad when I "discovered" certain financial let downs purposely caused. My spouse is a very home loving and caring person but certain bad virtues like gambling excessively has caused issues which I have tried and tried to rectify. Hence my friendship initially started as just a friendship and nothing more for many years but in the past few years I felt more compatible with my friend. But now since I am separated (though not out of my own choice) and my friend wishes to be with me permanently I have not made a commitment but wanted some advice before that. I do not wish to ruin any one's life but want to know if I can be happy with my husband then I do not want anything else. I do not want to make any commitment with any other person because I want to salvage my marriage & if there is any remedy or cure I am willing to do it. I do have doubts and suspicions that what if my friend too turns out eventually like my husband and cheats me in any way, then what will I do. Therefore I asked for help to avoid firstly a divorce, secondly to ask is it for sure in my bhagya that I will have to go through a divorce and thirdly should I stay alone after the divorce maybe because there is something wrong in my birth chart as i do not want any more problems in my life in any way nor do I want to cause any problems in any way for people around me. But through all the past emails I was not understanding what they are talking about. I hope you understand and can help. Thank you in advance. valist, "Manohara Nagaraja" <manohara.nagaraja@r...> wrote: > Hi, > > WARNING: THIS IS A LONG MAIL. HAVE PATIENCE IF YOU CHOOSE TO READ. > > Since this case has already drawn a lot of attention, I thought that I need to put in a few points on this. > > First of all, I cannot quote from astrological texts as I have learnt astrology in the "guru-shishya > > parampara"(Teacher-student interaction mode). However, I intend to bring in the experience of 3 generations of astrologers > > that I am in the process of understanding under their tutelage. > > my personal opinion is that when a "Jataka" (Person whose horoscope is being analyzed) comes to the astrologer, it is the > > astrologer's duty to identify the Root cause of the problem (and confirm if a problem exists at all) before getting into the > > timing analysis and the cure prescription. To this end, > > Firstly, one of the key aspects to be bourne in mind is that any permanent effect on the jataka can always be found in the > > Rasi Chart. The divisional charts can be used after that to fine tune the readings and the transits & dasas etc... can be > > used for timing. > > Second, While we are restricting the current analysis to the "house of marriage", the analysis will not be restricted to the > > 7th. house. There are 3 major parts of Marriage - Praja (procreation), Kutumba Sukha (family happiness) and Bhagya (good > > fortune). In a female horoscope, the 7th house, its occupants, its lord and Venus are indicators of Praja. The 2nd. house, > > its occupants, its lord and Moon are the indicators of the Kutumba and The 9th. house, its occupants, its lord and Jupiter > > are the indicators of the Bhagya. > > Data in the Chart - > > 7th. house is pisces. Ketu is in 7th. Lord is Jupiter. 7th house is aspected by Jupiter. > Venus is in Cancer, in the 11th. Venus is joined by Mars. > Jupiter is in Sag., in the 3rd. Jup is joined by Moon. > Mars and Moon are neecha. > All Planets in the Chart have good shadbala. > > While the presence of ketu in the 7th and the joining of Mars with Venus point towards high passions, the benign Drishti of > > Jupiter on 7, 9 and Venus/mars combination will definitely keep it within the boundaries of dharma. I do not see this as a > > major problem. > > 2nd house is Libra, no planets in Libra, Mars drishti on Libra, 2nd lord is Venus. > Moon is neecha in the 3rd. > 2nd lord is joined by Mars Neecha. > Jupiter's beingn Drishti on 2nd. Lord/mars combination. > Jupiter Joins Moon. > > While the presence of Jupiter Drishti is on the 2nd. Lord/Mars combination, there is no benefic Dristi on the 2nd. house. > > Also, the karaka moon is Neecha. This house is largely afflicted. I do see problems in Marital Happiness. > > 9th house is Taurus. No Planets in Taurus, Jupiter and Moon aspect Taurus. Venus is the Lord of 9th Placed in the 11th. > > While the 9th. lord is afflicted by Mars, but the Benign Drishti of Jupiter both on the 9th. and the 9th. lord and the > > Drishti of Moon will definitely do well for the Bhagya. Hence the kalatra Bhagya (Fortune of getting Married) is there. > > The Moon is the Atma karaka (Jaimini) and is neecha, in the 3rd. Hence worries, doubtful, wavering mind etc... > Jupiter is Dara karaka (Jaimini) positioned in the 3rd. Spouse may not deviate from the Dharmic path. > > Based on all these facts, my opinion is that the problem primarily not about Sex and sexual plesure or passion (as some of > > the mails seem to indicate) but is more due to misunderstandings and doubts and arguments etc... Hence vatsayana's(I am > > going by the e-mail ID) comments seem to be uncalled for. In my opinion the primary cause for this is the combined effect of > > Moon and Mars and not the Jupiter and Sani. Hence we should be doing more detailed analysis on Moon and Mars, their > > transits, their dasa periods etc... > > Definitely the problems have been amplified during the Moon period. The arguments have increased. (I am making another > > assumption here, the Jataka will be frank and outspoken. Positions of Rahu and merc. indicate this. Hence the emphasis on > > arguments rather than just hiding the pain in the heart) This has created more tensions and burden on the mind. She has > > found solace in a friend (My guess is that initially she has been drawn to the "friend" that she refers to because of this > > reason only). But given her nature, once that friend gets close, she has doubts and apprihentions obout this person as well. > > It is not a case of selfishness but a case of wavering mind (Moon's effect). While all other dasas could be better than the > > Moon dasa on this aspect, my guess is that mars dasa may not be very different as well. > > My request to the Jataka (naengineer - I am going by the e-mail ID) is to confirm some of the opinions and analysis made in > > this mail. Only if the analysis is correct, and the root cause identified correctly, will it be worthwhile to look at > > remedial measures. > > Regards, > manohara > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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