Dreams & Omens (for Sanjay, Ashutosh and All)

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Dear Sanjay: Your kalachakra chart is a revelation, and I did not know that

Rat signifies Saturn. Saturn will aspect Mars and NT Bharani Moon for a long

duration beginning July 18 when Mars enters Aries, passing the exactitude of

my Saturn Return. But when Saturn was in Gemini H-12, he was aspecting NT

Mars in H-2 and is no longer with his entry into Cancer, so your interpretation

that this effect is waning tracks with my sense of relief when this direct

action

of the rat approaching and running beside and behind me occurred. Also one

of the healing modalities that I have worked with extensively since the late

80s is with animal allies/totems in the chakras (though not limited to animals),

blending East-West traditions, and seems to be a sign to me to continue this

work (I was facing the West, and the rat was sitting on the fence in the West

at

the time of my reflection). I am excited about pursuing the study of kalachakra

as future "time" permits. Thank you for sharing this interpretation.

 

Namaste,

 

Janna

(Longitude 111:53 Latitude : 40:45)

 

Om aim klim somaya namah

Om namah shivaya

 

http://seven_directions.tripod.com/

 

 

 

valist, "sanjayprabhakaran" <sanjaychettiar@g...>

wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Janna,

> Namaste,

> Your is perfect case of Shakuna or Portent. When one deeply ponders

> upon a question Mother nature (Prakriti ) gives answers to our

> solution. This is called Shakuna Shastra or Science of Portents.

>

> Did you know Rat Signifies Saturn?.

> In Hindu Philosophy, The Animal mounted by a Diety signifies the

> basic nature controlled by the Diety.

> This is indicated in Kalachakra diagram. Ganesha and Karthikeya are

> dieties for Ketu and Mars respectively. Opposite Mars in Kalachakra is

> Saturn. Animal controlled and driven by Ganesha is an animal signified

> by Saturn, Rat. Kaalachakra is one of the fundamental tool/diagram

> used in Jyotish.

> I have put a diagram of Kaalachakra with some basic information this URL

>

> http://www.geocities.com/sanjayprabhakaran/kaalachakra.html

>

> The Rat running towards you is the answer to you question in you mind

> that indeed Saturn is getting towards you. It had frigtened you and

> fences are denoted by Mars. Hence Saturn was over running your natal

> mars. Going behind or away from you field of vision I would think it

> indicate wading of the problem.

> Please note the houses ruled by mars in your chart. Some worries may

> come from there would be my initial guess.

> You would need to find the exact readings from you chart.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

>

> valist, "Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn> wrote:

> > Dear Ashutosh and All:

> >

> > I had an interesting experience Thursday with Saturn's entry into

> Cancer

> > heralding my Saturn Return (Ashlesha lagna, Pusha (Cancer) Sun

combust

> > Saturn 1*) that although not a dream, held I think an omen for me

> that I

> > would be interested in a response from others on the list.

> >

> > I was sitting on the porch in the afternoon Thursday May 26 reflecting

> > about Saturn and what would happen with this Saturn return (around 2

PM

> > EST?) and saw directly in my line of vision on the fence a rat who

> sat for a

> > few minutes, then scurried off the fence to where I was sitting and

> ran next

> > to me and behind me. As a Westerner, I do not like rats although I have

> > many animal allies that I connect with on astral and physical

> planes. So at

> > first I shuddered, then I reflected that the rat was the vehicle for

> Ganesh

> > who removes obstacles, and is the son of Siva. I did not get much

> further

> > than that in my analsysis (except I know Ganesh is also the deity most

> > associated with Jyotish), although today with Saturn now in Cancer and

> > the Moon's nodes resuming "motion," I'm feeling much better than I

> have,

> > and somewhat lighter in contemplating my burdens. I was wondering what

> > insights others might have about this rat in relation to Saturn in

> my first

> > house for the next two years, or in relation to my chart in general

> (JU JU

> > CH, NT JU 3rd house).

> >

> > Satyam Shivam Sundaram

> >

> > Janna

> >

> > http://seven_directions.tripod.com/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> > valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" <

> > astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > > Dear John,

> > > For cancer ascendent born individuals, a full moon in

> > > scorpio can induce dreams and thoughts which seem prophetic. Scorpio

> > is

> > > again a mystical sign. But, moon is debiliated in this sign and it

> is your

> > > lagna lord too. The placement of moon with rahu in your eigth

> house in

> > natal

> > > chart makes you very intuitive but highly susceptible to illusive

> thoughts

> > > also. Rahu itself is a planet for illusions. So, one should also

> keep this

> > > in mind while interpreting your dreams.

> > > Most of the vivid dreams which I have had occured either

> due to

> > > climatic conditions or my physical conditions. Whenever I dream of

> water

> > > bodies or rains, it is usually just before sunrise when the

> temperature is

> > > low and I have a full bladder which demands release. Other

> elements like

> > > sounds, conversations, music or televison noise around your room may

> > also

> > > influence the dreams.

> > > But, sometimes the dreams do come true. I have experienced my

> > dreams

> > > taking reality between a gap of a day to six months to fifteen

> years. One

> > > such dream which had a meaning and really shook me occurred on 3rd

> > april

> > > 1998.

> > >

> > > It was not before sunrise, but after sunrise around 8 am.

> In my

> > > dream I was walking to my home on a cloudy evening (as I usually see

> > myself

> > > doing in most of my morning dreams) with a light drizzle falling.

> I passed

> > > by some dead mongoose on my way and thought about who had killed

> > them. As I

> > > reached the main road which lead to my home, some tractors with their

> > > trolleys laden with vegetables rushed past me. One of them ran off

> the

> > road

> > > into a ditch and others stopped and then started helping out the

> driver.

> > > They were shouting, "Hurry up, the rule of the serpent is about to

> begin".

> > I

> > > asked one of them about it and he pointed at the sky. There a big

> pink

> > cloud

> > > in the shape of a snake was twirling.

> > >

> > > With that I woke up. My father was leaving to see one of

> his friends

> > > on his motorbike. I went about doing my daily chores thinking

> about the

> > > dream. The day before i.e 2nd april was my mother's 17th death

> > anniversary.

> > > Could it have induced this dream? The sky was cloudy outside. Then,

> > around 5

> > > pm I got a telephone call that my father had met with an accident. We

> > rushed

> > > to the hospital and found him with minor bruises but with a badly

> > damaged

> > > motorbike. He had a cut on his uper lip which was stitched after

> > > administering a local anaesthia. Everything was OK but I was still

> keeping

> > > caution with that dream in my mind.

> > > As he came out of doctor's chamber and was tying his shoe

> laces,

> > he

> > > fell down and his body started convulsing. He was taken into ICU

> and put

> > on

> > > oxygen. After 2 hours he stabilised and came out of his

> unconciousness.

> > The

> > > reason for his fits was his hypertension which does not allow LA

> above

> > neck.

> > > He was shifted to military hospital as he was a serving air force

> officer.

> > > There after seven days of hospitalization he came back home.

> > > He joked that my mother was cremated on 4th april 1981. If

> he had

> > > died he would have been cremated on the same date at same

> > crematorium.

> > >

> > > Mongoose are famous for their ability to kill snakes and

> eat them.

> > > Their dead bodies are rarely seen. 'Dead mongooses and rule of the

> > serpent

> > > about to begin'- this has still remained beyond my understanding.

> In the

> > > same month saturn entered aries, my tenth house.

> > >

> > > My birth data is 19-10-1971, 00.10 hrs, Jodhpur, India. 26N18

> > 73E08.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh.

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > John <jr_esq>

> > > <valist>

> > > Friday, May 27, 2005 11:58

> > > Re: Dreamworks (for Sanjay et al..)

> > >

> > >

> > > > Namaste, Sanjay

> > > >

> > > > That was a fantastic analysis. I've never seen an actual chart

> > > > reading based on a dream. You've given us a very important lesson.

> > > > For the benefit of all, can you give us a name of a book which

> > > > contains the method for making this dream analysis?

> > > >

> > > > Your point relating to the 6th house has some bearing with what I'm

> > > > doing presently. I am doing a real estate project which requires

> > > > much physical labor, such as painting, sanding and cleanup. Even

> > > > though the work is physical, I find the work satisfying. It

> gives me

> > > > some control and freedom of what I want to do.

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps, the reason for this satisfaction is due to the fact that I

> > > > used to work for the federal government which requires much patience

> > > > in dealing with the bureaucratic rules, in addition to the actual

> > > > stress from the actual work involved.

> > > >

> > > > In my own way, it is likely that the dream provided an experience of

> > > > being in control of the situation which was depicted in my

> > > > association with prominent people in the USA, with the president and

> > > > his family no less.

> > > >

> > > > As far as my actual plans in the near future is concerned, I do not

> > > > want to work for another government agency (city or state), if I can

> > > > help it. I am planning to start a career in real estate, an area

> > > > that I have been doing as a sideline job while employed on a full

> > > > time basis. This career can be considered service related, as you

> > > > have analyzed in the dream.

> > > >

> > > > We'll find out how this dream plays out in the waking state of

> > > > consciousness in the next few months.

> > > >

> > > > May you gain the support of Nature in all of your endeavors!

> > > >

> > > > Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > > PS

> > > >

> > > > My actual birth data is as follows:

> > > >

> > > > July 21, 1951

> > > > 6:01 AM

> > > > Tagbilaran, Bohol, Philippines

> > > > 123E51 9N39

> > > > Cancer lagna

> > > > Moon in Dhanishta

> > > >

> > > > Currently undergoing the period of Saturn/Jupiter/Sun.

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> > > > valist, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > Dear John,

> > > > >

> > > > > I Learnt a principle about dream analysis, Havent used them much.

> > > > > But anyway, letme try it on your case.

> > > > >

> > > > > I casted the chart for San Fransisco for 03:00AM (Sunrise at

> > > > 5:57AM).

> > > > >

> > > > > Truth in dream

> > > > > ----------------

> > > > > The Dream chart lagna is not aspected by Sun or Moon. The

> principle

> > > > is

> > > > > Sun or moon the luminaries aspecting the dream lagna can make

the

> > > > > dream come true. Which is not the case here. But Moon is in trines

> > > > in

> > > > > the 9th house. To counter, Rahu in Dream lagna makes me doubt

> > > > whether

> > > > > thereis possibility of truth. So taking this as an indicator

> as a

> > > > > possibility only let me analyse further.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dream Bhava is 9th

> > > > > ------------------

> > > > > 9th Bhava is where dreams come from. The reason, 12th house is

> > > > > sleeping and the action performed at that time is 10th from 12th,

> > > > > Which is 9th house.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Chart for dream scene.

> > > > > ======================

> > > > > Assign planets and Bhavas to characters and places repectively in

> > > > Dream.

> > > > > Using this principle a assumed chart can be cast. For example,

> > > > > Saw the ruler of the nation with his wife. Sun and Moon

> > > > > The place was the capitol: 10th house.

> > > > > You were present with them : Lagna Lord in 10th with Sun and

Moon.

> > > > > There is conversation about playfullness so either the 10 sign is

> > > > > Gemini or Virgo (3rd is playing and Virgo is also playgrounds)

> > > > > So either Mercury sign or Mercury is playing a role here in the

> > > > 10th.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, Since this chart is of Dream Scene the Lagna here is actually

> > > > the

> > > > > 9th house from your reality.

> > > > >

> > > > > So the whole 10th house is dream is actually your 6th house from

> > > > > Actual lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > So the portent if any is of some Solar or Lunar influence in 6th

> > > > > house. Indicating that your may get govt job or something service

> > > > > related. Sun-Moon in 6th may indicate your parental relation

> may be

> > > > in

> > > > > stress.

> > > > >

> > > > > To time this event please take proportional time of 3AM from last

> > > > > sunset and sunrise for a Years time. As One year is maximum

> time by

> > > > > which a dream can fructify.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunrise: 5:57:32 (May 23)

> > > > > Sunset: 20:16:09 (May 23)

> > > > >

> > > > > Night about 9H 45minutes. and this happened three hours or so

> > before

> > > > > sun rise. This even can after about 3.7 months from date of seeing

> > > > the

> > > > > dream. The proportion is done in reverse as dreams seen right at

> > > > > sunrise have immediate effect.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please check your natal dasa, and focus on 6th house results, send

> > > > > your birth detail for others to check also

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you

> > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > Sanjay P

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari om tat sat

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > VA21267 Dream Analysis

> > > > >

> > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > >

> > > > > May 24, 2005

> > > > > Time: 3:00:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 122 W 25' 06", 37 N 46' 30"

> > > > > San Francisco, California, USA

> > > > > Altitude: 63.00 meters

> > > > >

> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - Vaisakha

> > > > > Tithi: Krishna Pratipat (Su) (36.03% left)

> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

> > > > > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (96.87% left)

> > > > > Yoga: Siva (Me) (1.32% left)

> > > > > Karana: Kaulava (Ma) (72.06% left)

> > > > > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Pi)

> > > > > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunrise: 5:57:32 (May 23)

> > > > > Sunset: 20:16:09 (May 23)

> > > > > Janma Ghatis: 52.6026

> > > > >

> > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-55-50.25

> > > > > Sidereal Time: 17:58:44

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> > > > > valist, "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste, Sanjay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I estimate that the dream occurred at about 3 AM. In the San

> > > > > > Francisco Bay Area, the sun rises at about 5 AM. I did not take

> > > > any

> > > > > > drugs, for medication or otherwise, before going to sleep.

> > > > However,

> > > > > > I usually take an ayurvedic herbal supplement before

> sleeping for

> > > > > > health reasons. I have noticed that this herbal pill appears to

> > > > give

> > > > > > clear and colorful dreams sometimes. Also, I did not watch any

> > > > > > movies or TV programs before sleeping either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Further, I'm not a vegetarian. I've heard that there maybe

> > > > negative

> > > > > > effects of eating meat and fish, aside from pure physical health

> > > > > > aspect is concerned.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please, tell us what the dream means if you have any ideas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John R.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > valist, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dreams which are seen before sun rise can be deciphered to

> > > > foretell

> > > > > > > the future.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you please tell if this dream was seen before

> sunrise. And

> > > > you

> > > > > > > were not under the influence of some drugs(medication etc),

> > > > Sickness

> > > > > > > or thought induced due to a movie,story etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If not then also please tell the time of seeing the dream.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Warm regards

> > > > > > > Sanjay P

> > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > valist, "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

> > > > > > > > To all list members:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (We would like to preface this post by saying that the

> writer

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > a member of any political parties in the USA.)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Last night, I had an unusual dream which the listmembers can

> > > > help

> > > > > > > > decipher and interpret. In the dream, I was in personal

> > > > > > association

> > > > > > > > with the current American president and his father. I was

> > > > > > telling

> > > > > > > > George W to take an enjoyable bike ride by taking a scenic

> > > > route,

> > > > > > > > which includes a tunnel and a lake, near the White House.

> > > > Even

> > > > > > Laura

> > > > > > > > Bush was amazed that there was such a route nearby.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After this scene, I was conversing with the Older Bush about

> > > > a

> > > > > > tax

> > > > > > > > reduction in personal income. The Older Bush said "I heard

> > > > that

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > retired. Is that true?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I replied, "I guess I can't keep any secrets around here.

> > > > Yes,

> > > > > > > > that's true." During this conversation, I was amazed at how

> > > > I

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > involved with such important people in the US.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Older Bush continued by saying, "You know, they reduced

> > > > > > > > the 'slurp' tax on my personal income."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Without hesitation I responded, "That's because you're

> > > > retired."

> > > > > > > > Even though I did not know what it was, it appeared that was

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > right thing to say.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On the next scene, a healthy looking man appeared with a

> > > > smile to

> > > > > > > > greet the Older Bush and me in a hall which I presumed to be

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Capitol. The man appeared to look like the younger version

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Senator Ted Kennedy or Mayor Newsome of San Francisco.

> > After

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > greeting, he hastily walked ahead of us and bade us to

> follow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To which the Older Bush commented, "I wish these senators

> > > > would

> > > > > > slow

> > > > > > > > down for us to follow."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus, the dream ended...as far as I can recall. Comments

> > > > > > anyone?

> > > > > > > > What is the meaning of this dream?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John R.

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