Delineating through Rasi and Bhava Charts - the confusion !

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Dear list members,

I notice that delineation of a horoscope is done by way of Rasi charts as well

as Bhava charts. This has led to a lot of confusion to me and I would not be

surprised if others are also likewise confused.

I have often wondered why talk of Bhava charts when Rasi Chart will suffice. I

have often sought an answer to this question and have looked into books on

astrology but they offer no clue. Most of the books take the Rasi chart to

delineate a horoscope, whereas Dr. B. V. Raman' s book, "How to Judge a

Horoscope" Bhava charts are used.

The confusion became compounded when I had to deal with a debilitated planet in

a chart and tried to see whether there is cancellation of debilitation. The

debilitated planet is Jupiter in Capricorn. The dispositor of Capricorn is

Saturn and it is posited there. If the dispositor is in a quadrant from either

Lagna or the Moon, then cancellation of debilitation results. Unfortunately,

Moon is in Virgo and therefore there is no nexus between Moon and the dispositor

of the debilitated planet.

If I were to take the Bhava chart cancellation of debilitation results as Moon

is in Libra and the dispositor where Jupiter is debilitated is in a quadrant to

the Moon.

Notice here the movement of planets between the Rasi and Bhava charts. If one

were to take the aspects of planets from both these charts, the effect in each

case would be different and would bring about conflicting results

I would appreciate if learned members help clarify in which cases Rasi and Bhava

charts are used so as to dispel the confusion once and for all.

Thank you for patiently reading through this lengthy email.

 

David

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri David Andrews

 

 

 

there is indeed no confusion in reading the results from Rashi as well as

Bhava chart, it is true that to Western students not acquainted with the

Vedic principles (and most often they ignore Guru-Sishya paramaparaa) this

may appear as confusion but to the Indian mind well acquainted with the

principles delineated by the ancients Rhishis such detailed distinguishing

features are only helpful in reading the horoscope correctly and

distinguishing between apparently similar charts but with vast differences

practically. At the first sight the Raashi chart may seem some thing but as

we start looking to the planets from Moon, Bhava chart and Navaamsa the

meaning may be modified to almost 180 degrees.

 

 

 

remember that aspects are only from Raashi to Raashi in Vedic system and not

from Bhava to Bhava.

 

 

 

however an orb of influence does exist for full fructification of the aspect

 

for example suppose Jupiter is at 5 degrees Libra, and mars in Aries in 10

degrees in one case and 28 degrees in other case. While in the first case

the aspect would give the desired result , in the 2nd case it would be too

feeble to give the result , so the result would be very minimal.

 

 

 

as per your query regarding cancellation of debility , there are several

factors that would make the debility to be cancelled . however i would

request you to send the detail birth detail where u have confusion so that

things could be made very clear and you can understand how it is but too imp

to have diff Bhava charka which is so helpful in delineating results

 

 

 

 

 

Gurudatta Dash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"David Andrews" <andrews635

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Monday, May 30, 2005 4:49 PM

Delineating through Rasi and Bhava Charts - the confusion !

 

 

> Dear list members,

> I notice that delineation of a horoscope is done by way of Rasi charts as

well as Bhava charts. This has led to a lot of confusion to me and I would

not be surprised if others are also likewise confused.

> I have often wondered why talk of Bhava charts when Rasi Chart will

suffice. I have often sought an answer to this question and have looked into

books on astrology but they offer no clue. Most of the books take the Rasi

chart to delineate a horoscope, whereas Dr. B. V. Raman' s book, "How to

Judge a Horoscope" Bhava charts are used.

> The confusion became compounded when I had to deal with a debilitated

planet in a chart and tried to see whether there is cancellation of

debilitation. The debilitated planet is Jupiter in Capricorn. The

dispositor of Capricorn is Saturn and it is posited there. If the dispositor

is in a quadrant from either Lagna or the Moon, then cancellation of

debilitation results. Unfortunately, Moon is in Virgo and therefore there is

no nexus between Moon and the dispositor of the debilitated planet.

> If I were to take the Bhava chart cancellation of debilitation results as

Moon is in Libra and the dispositor where Jupiter is debilitated is in a

quadrant to the Moon.

> Notice here the movement of planets between the Rasi and Bhava charts. If

one were to take the aspects of planets from both these charts, the effect

in each case would be different and would bring about conflicting results

> I would appreciate if learned members help clarify in which cases Rasi and

Bhava charts are used so as to dispel the confusion once and for all.

> Thank you for patiently reading through this lengthy email.

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> David

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[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Dear David,

 

Other Jyotishas have already given some of their valuable views. To

add little from what was taught to me.

 

Grahas affect us in two ways, One as the native thinks it's affecting

Vs As Actually affecting us. This is perception vs actual influence.

 

Rashi Chakra : Is the environment or the environment we are actually

in. It's independant of the observer and the 12 Bhava as delineated by

the Rashi is what is around us. To find the changes in the world as

happening around us.

 

Bhava/Chalit Chakra: The houses as perceived by the native. In this

chart the Zodiac is represented _somewhat_ independent of the

environment.

Eastern Horizon is take as 1st house and the Western Horizon as 7th

house. 15 Degrees(Or 4 Naskhatra pada +/- the rising pada) above and

below that horizon. This is how the houses are percieved when the

native looks at the sky. This is natives perception. Suppose at a

given time say 1deg of Aries is rising. Then the native assumes that

+/-15 deg rising is his Lagna. If a planet is say in 18deg Aries, The

Native Percieves it to be in his 2nd Bhava and affects actually his

2nd house decision making.

Perception effects Personal relationships, The decision making, The

Happiness or Bad experienced by the person.

 

It's said that When The Native's Rashi Chart and Bhava/Chalit

Chart/Chakra is same. Gayatri Mantra's blessings is present. Since

Gayatri signifies truth. The Lagna's show Gayatri. As Gayatri Mantra

is recited at Sun Rise, Sun Set (Also Midday or Night).

 

My Own Personal reasoning from the above teachings is that, Dashas

like Vimshottari Dasha etc When Used with Chalit Chakra will indicate

the persons reactions or relations or decision making. As Vimshottari

indicates time phases on Moon (Mana/Mind)

 

For Example If Chalit Chakra shows 7th Lord is in 6th where as it may

still be in 7th house. Indicates the persons attitude towards partner

will be bad, When the spouce themself could Actually be healthy and

well to do.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

 

valist, David Andrews <andrews635> wrote:

> Dear list members,

> I notice that delineation of a horoscope is done by way of Rasi

charts as well as Bhava charts. This has led to a lot of confusion to

me and I would not be surprised if others are also likewise confused.

> I have often wondered why talk of Bhava charts when Rasi Chart will

suffice. I have often sought an answer to this question and have

looked into books on astrology but they offer no clue. Most of the

books take the Rasi chart to delineate a horoscope, whereas Dr. B. V.

Raman' s book, "How to Judge a Horoscope" Bhava charts are used.

> The confusion became compounded when I had to deal with a

debilitated planet in a chart and tried to see whether there is

cancellation of debilitation. The debilitated planet is Jupiter in

Capricorn. The dispositor of Capricorn is Saturn and it is posited

there. If the dispositor is in a quadrant from either Lagna or the

Moon, then cancellation of debilitation results. Unfortunately, Moon

is in Virgo and therefore there is no nexus between Moon and the

dispositor of the debilitated planet.

> If I were to take the Bhava chart cancellation of debilitation

results as Moon is in Libra and the dispositor where Jupiter is

debilitated is in a quadrant to the Moon.

> Notice here the movement of planets between the Rasi and Bhava

charts. If one were to take the aspects of planets from both these

charts, the effect in each case would be different and would bring

about conflicting results

> I would appreciate if learned members help clarify in which cases

Rasi and Bhava charts are used so as to dispel the confusion once and

for all.

> Thank you for patiently reading through this lengthy email.

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> David

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