Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Namaste, Jupiter + Ketu conjunction can most definitely produce deep spirituality in the native. Jupiter is not only interested in material abundance but ultimately will lead us to supreme goal. Ketu is the accepted Mokshakaraka. So what is the controversy? Of course, This need not be so in all cases, or can I say in most cases, as we seen in the people around us, true spiritual beings are rare. All planets have good and bad effects, they can either raise us or drop us into the abyss. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 >I have studied the astrological charts of a few great philosophers/metaphysical-spiritual teachers having Guru placed within the Nodal axis, for example, Paramahansa Yogananda (in the Bhava Chakra); AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada; Baruch Spinoza; Arthur Schopenhauer (in the Bhava Chakra); and, contemporary Western Medieval astrologer Robert Zoller, etc. So, might we not say that the Jupiter-Ketu influence has the potential to contribute positive results toward higher knowledge, all other factors being equal?< Juliana, In Yogananda's chart there is an out of sign opposition of Ju and Ke of about 18 deg. This is not an obvious contact . No obvious contact in the navamsa either but there is an exact Ju/Ke conjunction in the vimsamsa D20 in the 8th house. Also the natal ascendent , 12th lord Moon , Mercury and Rahu are in the nakshatra of Ketu which adds to the moksha potential. You could add my rectified chart of Jesus of Nazareth to the above list . See http://www.vedicastro.com/jesus.html Regards Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Rahu is of the earth and blind of eyes he craves intelligence. His home is Taurus. The royal crown of Capricorn comprises his moolatrikona and Virgo his exaltation. Ketu will have naught but water and is at home in Scorpio. Moolatrikona is Cancer and he is exalted in Pisces. The Hindu early on chopped off the exaltation degrees of some of the planets so that their total would not exceed the Golden Sum. The Serpent complies with 0* as exaltation. Dark*Star _______________________________ Juliana Swanson wrote: > There is SO MUCH controversy regarding Rahu and Ketu's dignity, and > Rahu and Ketu have no firmly established constellations of > exaltation and debilitation. The majority of Jyotishis seem to agree > that Rahu is exalted in Taurus and debilitated in Scorpio, and vice > versa for Ketu. Yet, a small number of very esteemed Jyotishi take > Gemini and Sagittarius to be Rahu's exaltation and debilitation > constellations, and vice versa for Ketu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Dear Juliana, I am still not clear about your perceiption to ancient vision one the following points: 1) Are you sure the quotation includes ......Position or association. 2)Secondly "No matter what rasi they are in.........influenced by their house position and association.Please clarify what does it mean, in first you are cancelling their result in position and at the end you again refer their result in position and association.Please clarify the contradictions. With best wishes, P K Tripathy. --- Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote: > Dear Mr Tripathy, > > I am not sure that I know how to say this any > clearer, though I will > try, and yes, I have previously quoted from Mr. > Wilhelm. Perhaps > someone else can jump in and say this better than I > can. > > "Rahu and Ketu, despite their dignity, give good or > bad results > according to their position or association." To me > this means that > no matter what Rasi they are in, whether exalted, in > the rasi of a > friend, debilitated, swakshetra, etc., the lunar > nodes are more > influenced by their house position and association > with other graha > than by their dignity. > > There is SO MUCH controversy regarding Rahu and > Ketu's dignity, and > Rahu and Ketu have no firmly established > constellations of > exaltation and debilitation. The majority of > Jyotishis seem to agree > that Rahu is exalted in Taurus and debilitated in > Scorpio, and vice > versa for Ketu. Yet, a small number of very esteemed > Jyotishi take > Gemini and Sagittarius to be Rahu's exaltation and > debilitation > constellations, and vice versa for Ketu. The > aforementioned rule I > have quoted from Mr. Wilhelm's translation of the > _Laghu Parashari > Sloka 13,_ may be helpful in overcoming the > controversy. > > Regarding the second rule, "Rahu and Ketu give the > results of the > planets conjoined with them or aspecting them. Their > results depend > upon the lord of the rasi and navamsa in which they > are placed." I > cannot see that this rule contradicts the former > rule. In fact, it > seems to reinforce it. The lunar nodes reflect the > energies of the > planets that both disposit and influence them, and > these results are > further dependent on the navamsa positions of the > planets > influencing and dispositing them. > > Perhaps we have a language barrier causing this > communication > misunderstanding, or maybe we should blame it on > today's transits, > because I am also confused by what you wrote, "So do > you mean to say > nodals are rediating their energies in accordance > with their > association and aspects of the planets and also with > their > respective position of the rasis in total."? I am > not sure what you > mean by "rasis in total." Please clear up this > confusion. > > If "we" have "failed to perceive the ancient sacred > vision," > then by all means, tell us what is the sacred vision > according to > your esteemed understanding. I am eager to know > whatever points of > view you can offer here but so far I have not heard > any of them. > > Thank you very much. > > Sincerely, > Juliana Swanson > > > > > : > > > Links > > > valist > > > > > __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Namaste, At the end of your first para you refers to reduction of planetary influence in the present time of adversity,but this is not true even on the basis of applied astrology because planetary influence can never be influenced by dark vital age,I mean to say they very well radiate their original (+ve)or (-ve) energy in all times.There may be something wrong in our perceiption to this radiation.So, say clearly what do you mean Jup+Ketu's result dont mix with any other clearification. Please do not take it otherwise, this is for the sake of discussion, I am just trying to point out where we all go wrong in interpreting the sacred ancient visions. With best wishes, P K Tripathy. --- arun <savitarcyber wrote: > Namaste, > > Jupiter + Ketu conjunction can most definitely > produce deep > spirituality in the native. Jupiter is not only > interested in material > abundance but ultimately will lead us to supreme > goal. Ketu is the > accepted Mokshakaraka. So what is the controversy? > Of course, This > need not be so in all cases, or can I say in most > cases, as we seen in > the people around us, true spiritual beings are > rare. > > All planets have good and bad effects, they can > either raise us or > drop us into the abyss. > > regards > > arun > > > > > : > > > Links > > > valist > > > > > __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Dear Julliana, Please draw the charts referred below in detail degrees where we can discuss how there other combinations and influences that took them so up, in areas of respective spirituality because spirituality if rose solely due to this combination this can be termed mere outward exposure but not inward exposure. P K Tripathy. --- Ron Day <ron wrote: > >I have studied the astrological charts of a few > great > philosophers/metaphysical-spiritual teachers having > Guru placed within the > Nodal axis, for example, Paramahansa Yogananda (in > the Bhava Chakra); AC > Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada; Baruch Spinoza; > Arthur Schopenhauer (in the > Bhava Chakra); and, contemporary Western Medieval > astrologer Robert Zoller, > etc. So, might we not say that the Jupiter-Ketu > influence has the potential > to contribute positive results toward higher > knowledge, all other factors > being equal?< > > Juliana, > > In Yogananda's chart there is an out of sign > opposition of Ju and Ke of > about 18 deg. This is not an obvious contact . No > obvious contact in the > navamsa either but there is an exact Ju/Ke > conjunction in the vimsamsa D20 > in the 8th house. Also the natal ascendent , 12th > lord Moon , Mercury and > Rahu are in the nakshatra of Ketu which adds to the > moksha potential. > You could add my rectified chart of Jesus of > Nazareth to the above list . > See http://www.vedicastro.com/jesus.html > > > Regards > Ron > > > > : > > > Links > > > valist > > > > > > __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Dear Mr Dark Star, Can you please let me know the name of stanza of ancient texts that refers Rahu exalted in virgo, since, I am a learner my job is know the new things. With best wishes, P K Tripathy. --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > Rahu is of the earth and blind of eyes he craves > intelligence. His home > is Taurus. The royal crown of Capricorn comprises > his moolatrikona and > Virgo his exaltation. Ketu will have naught but > water and is at home in > Scorpio. Moolatrikona is Cancer and he is exalted in > Pisces. The Hindu > early on chopped off the exaltation degrees of some > of the planets so > that their total would not exceed the Golden Sum. > The Serpent complies > with 0* as exaltation. > > Dark*Star > _______________________________ > > Juliana Swanson wrote: > > > There is SO MUCH controversy regarding Rahu and > Ketu's dignity, and > > Rahu and Ketu have no firmly established > constellations of > > exaltation and debilitation. The majority of > Jyotishis seem to agree > > that Rahu is exalted in Taurus and debilitated in > Scorpio, and vice > > versa for Ketu. Yet, a small number of very > esteemed Jyotishi take > > Gemini and Sagittarius to be Rahu's exaltation and > debilitation > > constellations, and vice versa for Ketu. > > > > > : > > > Links > > > valist > > > > > > __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Dear Juliana, Answer to your observation of "....I do not see it contradicts the former rules" Surely contradicts, interprete correctly. I do agree you are one of the voracious reader but lack clear perceiption.See, if you do not understand one point say openly want to understand but dont send misleading interpretations,particularly on the board because it spoils time energy on the board particularly for the people who busy with some serious work their MBs are filled with number of such misleading representation.So I request not to repeat this. With best wishes, P K Tripathy. --- Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote: > Dear Mr Tripathy, > > I am not sure that I know how to say this any > clearer, though I will > try, and yes, I have previously quoted from Mr. > Wilhelm. Perhaps > someone else can jump in and say this better than I > can. > > "Rahu and Ketu, despite their dignity, give good or > bad results > according to their position or association." To me > this means that > no matter what Rasi they are in, whether exalted, in > the rasi of a > friend, debilitated, swakshetra, etc., the lunar > nodes are more > influenced by their house position and association > with other graha > than by their dignity. > > There is SO MUCH controversy regarding Rahu and > Ketu's dignity, and > Rahu and Ketu have no firmly established > constellations of > exaltation and debilitation. The majority of > Jyotishis seem to agree > that Rahu is exalted in Taurus and debilitated in > Scorpio, and vice > versa for Ketu. Yet, a small number of very esteemed > Jyotishi take > Gemini and Sagittarius to be Rahu's exaltation and > debilitation > constellations, and vice versa for Ketu. The > aforementioned rule I > have quoted from Mr. Wilhelm's translation of the > _Laghu Parashari > Sloka 13,_ may be helpful in overcoming the > controversy. > > Regarding the second rule, "Rahu and Ketu give the > results of the > planets conjoined with them or aspecting them. Their > results depend > upon the lord of the rasi and navamsa in which they > are placed." I > cannot see that this rule contradicts the former > rule. In fact, it > seems to reinforce it. The lunar nodes reflect the > energies of the > planets that both disposit and influence them, and > these results are > further dependent on the navamsa positions of the > planets > influencing and dispositing them. > > Perhaps we have a language barrier causing this > communication > misunderstanding, or maybe we should blame it on > today's transits, > because I am also confused by what you wrote, "So do > you mean to say > nodals are rediating their energies in accordance > with their > association and aspects of the planets and also with > their > respective position of the rasis in total."? I am > not sure what you > mean by "rasis in total." Please clear up this > confusion. > > If "we" have "failed to perceive the ancient sacred > vision," > then by all means, tell us what is the sacred vision > according to > your esteemed understanding. I am eager to know > whatever points of > view you can offer here but so far I have not heard > any of them. > > Thank you very much. > > Sincerely, > Juliana Swanson > > > > > > : > > > Links > > > valist > > > > > __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 We speak so many languages, that we cannot hear each other. On the one side, the American woman, sensitive to imposing, has tone of being very open, as "we are the new, not the old". The Indian, has distinctly Eastern, specifically Indian tone of "all knowing" with even strong confident words to boot. Actually, it's not the words, but more the cultures that don't seem to align. Both have the desire to play before the world eye, representatives of their respective parts born of location and racial evolutions, in the world of perceptions, such as "Indian's have knowledge" and "Americans don't have their own ancient knowledge", and so on. I checked in for once, today, and saw this play. And my thought was: "No wonder the new gov. in Iraq is having trouble." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Honored Sir, I can assure there is no mention anywhere in the Pseudo-Parashara of such ideas. Ancient texts are generally not the place to look for "the new things." D.S. _______________________________ "p.k. tripathy" wrote: > Dear Mr Dark Star, > > Can you please let me know the name of stanza of > ancient texts that refers Rahu exalted in virgo, > since, I am a learner my job is know the new things. > > With best wishes, > P K Tripathy. > > --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > > > > Rahu is of the earth and blind of eyes he craves > > intelligence. His home > > is Taurus. The royal crown of Capricorn comprises > > his moolatrikona and > > Virgo his exaltation. Ketu will have naught but > > water and is at home in > > Scorpio. Moolatrikona is Cancer and he is exalted in > > Pisces. The Hindu > > early on chopped off the exaltation degrees of some > > of the planets so > > that their total would not exceed the Golden Sum. > > The Serpent complies > > with 0* as exaltation. > > > > Dark*Star > > _______________________________ > > > > Juliana Swanson wrote: > > > > > There is SO MUCH controversy regarding Rahu and > > Ketu's dignity, and > > > Rahu and Ketu have no firmly established > > constellations of > > > exaltation and debilitation. The majority of > > Jyotishis seem to agree > > > that Rahu is exalted in Taurus and debilitated in > > Scorpio, and vice > > > versa for Ketu. Yet, a small number of very > > esteemed Jyotishi take > > > Gemini and Sagittarius to be Rahu's exaltation and > > debilitation > > > constellations, and vice versa for Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > Links > > > > > > valist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > > Links > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 > Honored Sir, > > I can assure there is no mention anywhere in the Pseudo-Parashara of > such ideas. > Ancient texts are generally not the place to look for "the new things." > > D.S. Ahh, gradually the West eases into the realm of daring to be sarcastic with the inheritors of the ancient and Eastern. Now, India's not just for temple anymore. The newbie who is a true believer by happenstance, will never understand the likes of you who seem compelled to stick to the subject, yet don't bow to one ill informed form of worship of it like them. Only at the end of their road of killing to cleanse their environment of what only they can see is really wrong, they will find themselves in tears as they realize Aries lived next door to Pisces all along. Are we there yet? Rick MacQuoid AIM: ROIKMACKAI IM: das_goravani Secure online ordering of Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 or (Please use email if at all possible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Dear Astrologers, Lets leave alone what is written in ancient texts and go by pratical experiences. I have not found any exaltations or debiliations for rahu and ketu in any signs. Rahu is equally harmful in gemini, taurus and sagittarius if the lord of the house, in which rahu is placed, is weak. Same goes for ketu. I have seen horoscopes where rahu in gemini, in seventh, caused death of spouse by diseases like cancer, because seventh lord was under malefic influence or combust. Remember, they are only chhaya-grahas meaning shadow-planets. They show their effects depending on their bhav-lord, planets placed with them in same sign, planets with their bhav-lord and, foremost of all, the lagna of the horoscope. Rahu is beneficial for those born in ascendents of venus, mercury and saturn. Ketu is good for those with ascendents of moon, sun, mars and jupiter. (conditions apply). Ashutosh. - Das Goravani <> <valist> Wednesday, August 10, 2005 20:11 Re: Re: Jupiter Ketu Conjunction-Mr. Tripathy > > We speak so many languages, that we cannot hear each other. > > On the one side, the American woman, sensitive to imposing, has tone of > being very open, as "we are the new, not the old". > > The Indian, has distinctly Eastern, specifically Indian tone of "all > knowing" with even strong confident words to boot. > > Actually, it's not the words, but more the cultures that don't seem to > align. > > Both have the desire to play before the world eye, representatives of their > respective parts born of location and racial evolutions, in the world of > perceptions, such as "Indian's have knowledge" and "Americans don't have > their own ancient knowledge", and so on. > > I checked in for once, today, and saw this play. And my thought was: "No > wonder the new gov. in Iraq is having trouble." > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Dear Dark*Star, Could you please elaborate on the lines below. Thanks. Hari Om ! Shabnam The Hindu > > early on chopped off the exaltation degrees of some > > of the planets so > > that their total would not exceed the Golden Sum. > > The Serpent complies > > with 0* as exaltation. > > > > Dark*Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Do I take Mr. Goravani, speech bearing nice comparision of indo-american culture, ofcourse, which is certainly a part of VA discussion forum. Bestwishes, P K Tripathy. --- Das Goravani <> wrote: > > We speak so many languages, that we cannot hear each > other. > > On the one side, the American woman, sensitive to > imposing, has tone of > being very open, as "we are the new, not the old". > > The Indian, has distinctly Eastern, specifically > Indian tone of "all > knowing" with even strong confident words to boot. > > Actually, it's not the words, but more the cultures > that don't seem to > align. > > Both have the desire to play before the world eye, > representatives of their > respective parts born of location and racial > evolutions, in the world of > perceptions, such as "Indian's have knowledge" and > "Americans don't have > their own ancient knowledge", and so on. > > I checked in for once, today, and saw this play. > And my thought was: "No > wonder the new gov. in Iraq is having trouble." > > > > > : > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Dear DS, I very well agree to your last para but we are still to develop that vision/attitude to extract the sacred ancient vision publish our book on advanced vedic studies. There are still, many time to go. With bestwishes, P K Tripathy. --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > Honored Sir, > > I can assure there is no mention anywhere in the > Pseudo-Parashara of > such ideas. > Ancient texts are generally not the place to look > for "the new things." > > D.S. > _______________________________ > > > > "p.k. tripathy" wrote: > > > Dear Mr Dark Star, > > > > Can you please let me know the name of stanza of > > ancient texts that refers Rahu exalted in virgo, > > since, I am a learner my job is know the new > things. > > > > With best wishes, > > P K Tripathy. > > > > --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > > > > > > > Rahu is of the earth and blind of eyes he craves > > > intelligence. His home > > > is Taurus. The royal crown of Capricorn > comprises > > > his moolatrikona and > > > Virgo his exaltation. Ketu will have naught but > > > water and is at home in > > > Scorpio. Moolatrikona is Cancer and he is > exalted in > > > Pisces. The Hindu > > > early on chopped off the exaltation degrees of > some > > > of the planets so > > > that their total would not exceed the Golden > Sum. > > > The Serpent complies > > > with 0* as exaltation. > > > > > > Dark*Star > > > _______________________________ > > > > > > Juliana Swanson wrote: > > > > > > > There is SO MUCH controversy regarding Rahu > and > > > Ketu's dignity, and > > > > Rahu and Ketu have no firmly established > > > constellations of > > > > exaltation and debilitation. The majority of > > > Jyotishis seem to agree > > > > that Rahu is exalted in Taurus and debilitated > in > > > Scorpio, and vice > > > > versa for Ketu. Yet, a small number of very > > > esteemed Jyotishi take > > > > Gemini and Sagittarius to be Rahu's exaltation > and > > > debilitation > > > > constellations, and vice versa for Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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