Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Das … I am truly sorry. The last thing I would want to do, is add to your pain. I real thought that maybe I could help you. I only have one more question and then I will leave you along. Do you know anybody who has ever beat bi polar? … 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Noel Gilbert Counselor Body, Mind & Soul LifeStyle Counselor "Arial Narrow";color:navy">Ayurveda - Herbalism Nutrition - Medical Astrology 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> valist [valist] On Behalf Of Das Goravani Friday, February 10, 2006 4:45 AM valist Noel and "But you're not happy" Noel used the phrase “But you’re not happy” or such phrases, while commenting on my recent posting. This makes sense to some I suppose, and others have said that kind of thing. However, Noel and the others need some education re. Depression and how it relates to the rest of life. If you have real depression, you feel it all the time, and it doesn’t matter if your philosophy on life is correct or not. In fact, if you have depression, you could be very wealthy, or very famous, and you would still feel empty, sad, unhappy, etc. So using that phrase to negate what I say in an article is incorrect, if you care about truth. This is a personal and emotional issue for me. My father, and a few of my siblings, and myself, suffer seriously from very complex issues relating to body chemistry and the brain. If you harp on me about this and do not pay any heed to what I’m saying right now, I will get a bit sore about that. Because Murial Hemmingway’s relatives, 5 of them, committed suicide, does not mean she will, and if you tell her she will, that would obviously be a bit upsetting. If you use that against her, that too would be upsetting. If you use my pain against me in other areas of life, it’s a bit upsetting. If you think I am lieing, you will taunt me out of the closet all the more, and I will spill on this list more and more about what I go through, and that would not be good. It’s not pretty, nobody wants to hear it, and I don’t want to reveal it. But it just really bugs me when somebody says in reply to one of my philosophy posts that “but you’re not happy” (so what you say has no value). Wrong. Many great persons who made great contributions to society, who were loved, wealthy, famous, etc., still committed suicide over their own inner personal pain. Rachmaninov, the greatest composer ever, was extremely in pain, yet his contribution musically is unquestionable. That is one of hundreds, thousands. Should we say “Ban his music” because “it might contain his pain”. Or “it’s invalid because it was written by someone not completely happy”. Lord Caitanya, the effective leader of the Hare Krishna movement was obviously bi polar and it shows in his chart immediately, and, he is loved in India in a huge way, and his philosophy stands and he challenged and defeated many kavis and sadhus in sanskrit battle. So should he be negated because he was always sad and miserable? The real food I need to not be miserable is hard to find anymore in white lands. It’s called community. I need closeness of my people really. That’s what I’ve identified. But even still, I think, I may just “have it”. I try everything, and I still “have it”, and “It” is VERY REAL, believe me; DON’T make me explain how it feels, when it comes, what its like, etc., if you want that, just go see Jacobs Ladder, the movie, rent it, and that’s what it’s like. That is exactly what an attack is like. Jacobs Ladder. Mental horror on film. If you don’t have it, it’s extremely hard to understand it. I try to explain often. I use examples like “Imagine the feeling of when you are next to the hangman’s loop”. Now have that feeling all the time, or something extreme. You really feel it, it really hurts, it drives you crazy, people abandon you, it’s not your fault, you cannot maintain, you go down. It’s a misunderstood disease, and often shunned and hated, because that’s how we deal with that which we do not understand. Which may explain part of why I sometimes get pretty heavily attacked. I’m not sure why that posting elicited the response it did, but as much as the God loving have every right to post their God spews on this list, so also do I have a right to post my feelings, which I might call neo pagan science-spirituality or some such. When I refer to the God of the Jews, it does not mean I am anti Semitic or Neo Nazi. Rather, it is speaking plain historical truth. The Jews had a particular view of Godhead, as all tribes did, and their’s came to us white people over others, say over India and over Egypt, and that’s history. It’s not my fault, and I can say the “God of the Jews” because that is the one Jesus used and thus the one we are, in the West, all familiar with, because Rome and ensuing wars, migrations, coups, deals and intrigues wiped out our own religions long ago. And I have noticed, and can defend, that Westerners often retain Christian views of God even after converting to Hinduism- they transfer these feelings to Shiva, Krishna, etc., even though Vedic Scriptures show these deities to be different. Conditioning is strong. Anyway, lay off my unhappiness as any kind of reason to negate what I say. That is simply inccorect. That’s all. 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Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Do you know anybody who has ever beat bi polar? … Hi, the standard reply is that it is lifelong. The books that study it never mention full repair as far as I’ve seen. The new ager Gurus will tell you they can heal you, but I’ve never heard of this working. Everyone who has worked on me, well, failed. I mean, things help, but then, it comes back. I think it is related to passions arising from living against our bodies natures in modern society, or more plainly put, we don’t work out in the air enough, we’re not healthy, and we have stresses which are really bizarre and unnatural, like, “oh no, my cell battery is dead, how will I .....” things that never existed prior. The most passionate people’s take to alcohol etc. Why is that? I think it is the above. We’re not manifesting our energies and passions in a healthy way, so we are pent up and get negative. I have never heard “I used to have mental problems”. I don’t think it goes that way. There is full management to the point where they are unnoticeable to OTHERS. Thanks Rick/Das das (AT) goravani (DOT) com Secure online ordering of Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 or (Please use email if at all possible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 i met a woman once who said the same, that bipolar was INCURABLE... BUT she 'had it under control'... i asked her what she was doing. she said she was taking lithium (a naturally occurring mineral) and had attended cognitive therapy classes. i said to her, "so you corrected your mineral deficiency and learned to think logically and feel good? sounds like you don't have bipolar now." now, das, your pluto opposite your moon can make for very strong feelings. those strong feelings expressed through your creative projects can be healing for yourself and a gift to the world. turned against yourself, they can indeed be very uncomfortable; for yourself and others in your space. you can be absolutely delightful and then go into this angst that sounds absolutely awful. must be uncomfortable. and i've been there too. ouch. it hurts. i am so sorry you are going through that. AND it doesn't HAVE to be a forever thing. feelings may seem to be mysterious, but they are not really. they come from our thoughts. if we think a happy thought, the whole body 'smiles'... if we think an unhappy thought, the whole body contracts into a tense, tight ball of misery. it's important to look at the thoughts we want and nurture them; to look at the ones that don't work and begin to pick them out, much as you would thorns from your skin. we are not a victim of the world we see. we are really the maker of our world. and we can make it as we wish. in fact, we are making it according to our wishes, only since we are unconscious of the fact, we imagine we have no control over it... ha. we are in charge and it's good to finally realize it. so good. in my miracles group is a guy who used to be a movie director. he is very aware of the fact that we are making our own personal movies with every thought. i have jup and ven in scorpio in the 8th house. so to me, it actually seems like FUN to start turning that great big mass of negative momentum around into peaceful, easy joy. lots of fun. what i have found is that no matter how intelligent we are, there still may be things we have not learned, such as how to look at the world from a place that is not devastating to our psyche. we may not have learned that from our families and schools. we may have learned instead that it is fun to get people upset and in turmoil and have them worried about us and feeling off balance and afraid of us or for us... at least then we are the center of attention. but if we don't feel good ourselves, then it's not all that much fun in the long run. good books: 'feeling good' by david burns. 'loving what is' by byron katie 'why people don't heal and how they can' caroline myss 'healing is remembering who you are' by marilyn gordon negative thought patterns can get stuck from childhood and never change. trauma can do it. our parents can have stuck patterns and we can learn from them. it's good to look at all the factors, to bring ourselves up to date. no one has to be miserable forever. healing is always certain. #1 requirement is willingness. love, patricia On Feb 12, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Das Goravani wrote: >> >> Do you know anybody who has ever beat bi polar? … > > Hi, the standard reply is that it is lifelong. The books that study > it never mention full repair as far as I’ve seen. The new ager > Gurus will tell you they can heal you, but I’ve never heard of this > working. Everyone who has worked on me, well, failed. I mean, > things help, but then, it comes back. > > I think it is related to passions arising from living against our > bodies natures in modern society, or more plainly put, we don’t > work out in the air enough, we’re not healthy, and we have stresses > which are really bizarre and unnatural, like, “oh no, my cell > battery is dead, how will I ....” things that never existed prior. > > The most passionate people’s take to alcohol etc. Why is that? I > think it is the above. We’re not manifesting our energies and > passions in a healthy way, so we are pent up and get negative. > > I have never heard “I used to have mental problems”. I don’t > think it goes that way. > > There is full management to the point where they are unnoticeable > to OTHERS. *** "Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de Montaigne *** Patricia Robinett www.aesculapiuspress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 <patricia (AT) efn (DOT) org> wrote: i met a woman once who said the same, that bipolar wasINCURABLE... BUT she 'had it under control'...i asked her what she was doing.she said she was taking lithium (a naturally occurring mineral)and had attended cognitive therapy classes. i said to her,"so you corrected your mineral deficiency and learned to thinklogically and feel good? sounds like you don't have bipolar now."now, das, your pluto opposite your moon can make for verystrong feelings. those strong feelings expressed through yourcreative projects can be healing for yourself and a gift to theworld. turned against yourself, they can indeed be veryuncomfortable; for yourself and others in your space.you can be absolutely delightful and then go into this angstthat sounds absolutely awful. must be uncomfortable.and i've been there too. ouch. it hurts. i am so sorry youare going through that. AND it doesn't HAVE to be a foreverthing.feelings may seem to be mysterious, but they are not really.they come from our thoughts. if we think a happy thought,the whole body 'smiles'... if we think an unhappy thought,the whole body contracts into a tense, tight ball of misery.it's important to look at the thoughts we want and nurturethem; to look at the ones that don't work and begin topick them out, much as you would thorns from your skin.we are not a victim of the world we see. we are really themaker of our world. and we can make it as we wish. infact, we are making it according to our wishes, only sincewe are unconscious of the fact, we imagine we have nocontrol over it... ha. we are in charge and it's good tofinally realize it. so good. in my miracles group is a guywho used to be a movie director. he is very aware of thefact that we are making our own personal movies withevery thought.i have jup and ven in scorpio in the 8th house. so to me,it actually seems like FUN to start turning that great bigmass of negative momentum around into peaceful, easyjoy. lots of fun.what i have found is that no matter how intelligent we are, therestill may be things we have not learned, such as how to look atthe world from a place that is not devastating to our psyche.we may not have learned that from our families and schools.we may have learned instead that it is fun to get peopleupset and in turmoil and have them worried about us andfeeling off balance and afraid of us or for us... at least thenwe are the center of attention. but if we don't feel goodourselves, then it's not all that much fun in the long run.good books:'feeling good' by david burns.'loving what is' by byron katie'why people don't heal and how they can' caroline myss'healing is remembering who you are' by marilyn gordonnegative thought patterns can get stuck from childhood andnever change. trauma can do it. our parents can have stuckpatterns and we can learn from them. it's good to look at allthe factors, to bring ourselves up to date.no one has to be miserable forever.healing is always certain.#1 requirement is willingness.love, patriciaOn Feb 12, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Das Goravani wrote:>>>> Do you know anybody who has ever beat bi polar? …>> Hi, the standard reply is that it is lifelong. The books that study > it never mention full repair as far as I’ve seen. The new ager > Gurus will tell you they can heal you, but I’ve never heard of this > working. Everyone who has worked on me, well, failed. I mean, > things help, but then, it comes back.>> I think it is related to passions arising from living against our > bodies natures in modern society, or more plainly put, we don’t > work out in the air enough, we’re not healthy, and we have stresses > which are really bizarre and unnatural, like, “oh no, my cell > battery is dead, how will I .....” things that never existed prior.>> The most passionate people’s take to alcohol etc. Why is that? I > think it is the above. We’re not manifesting our energies and > passions in a healthy way, so we are pent up and get negative.>> I have never heard “I used to have mental problems”. I don’t > think it goes that way.>> There is full management to the point where they are unnoticeable > to OTHERS.***"Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de Montaigne***Patricia Robinettwww.aesculapiuspress.comTo , send an email to: For software visit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Hi everyone, Real mental illness cannot be overcome by thought alone. This is something that is important for all of you to understand. Thought illness is one thing, but brain chemistry problems, are another. If a person has a wrong idea about life, is holding a grudge, has issues, that can all be handled by talk therapy, reading books, etc. If however, you experience as I do: You are going along through the day. Suddenly, you feel something, like as if you just fainted and you are now falling, you actually feel that. But you are not moving at all. Then, you feel your temperature rise significantly. You start to sweat. Then, you start to breathe differently, and a metalic taste overwhelms your mouth. Your mind starts to race, and emotions start to come up out of nowhere, with no connection to anything around you. You realize at a certain point that you cannot control this process. You panic. If you are in public, you know you have just seconds before you start balling your eyes out. You start trying to find an escape, your car, privacy, a warm bed, a friendly person who understands.... You get home. You go to bed. You are whirling. You are racing. Emotions of total fear, complete failure, impending death, loathing by others, every negative thought, are all rushing, you are crying, you FEEL these things for real. There is NO control AT ALL. You cannot “stop and think” or “read a book”. No way. You are a case at this point. You are a mess. You are in private-parties-only space. Only your immediate beloved ones can see you this way, or would understand. If someone speaks to you when you are like this and is calm and trying to explain psychology, or positive thinking, you want them to stop, to go away, to leave you alone. It sounds like stupid, unenglightened, unrealistic and awful garbage. It has no feeling. It sounds like Nazi version of love. You want real love. You want to be saved, touched, loved, helped, not preached to. Eventually, after an hour, or a week, you leave that mood. You do not remember portions, you never want to go back, you know you are mad, in some way, you fear it, you respect it, and you begin the process of tolerating that most people have no idea what you just went through, and even the above explanations belittle the amazing force of it. You can go to hell in your mind. Trivializing the Devil is the only result of most spoken remedies for a true attack of insanity. I understand the people mumbling to themselves in the corner of insane asylums everywhere. And the Brahmin with no problems, and full faith in Vedas. And the normal American. It’s hard to be all these people at once. Hmm. Whatever. It’s a sunny Sunday here in Oregon. Peace to you all, Thanks Rick/Das das (AT) goravani (DOT) com Secure online ordering of Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 or (Please use email if at all possible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Dear Das, I don't know if I should thank you or not for this vivid and precise description of mental disparity. It may sound a little offensive to say that I find your words very revealing. It certainly wobbled my conscious, and also opened my mind to understand a reality I am not at all familiar. I think I did mention this in my previous mail, but some of your mind revealing mails resembled one of my worst nightmares. From that moment on, I think I understood a little bit about your anguish. Yet, I suppose I only captured a "fraction" of your reality. Peace to you also. Roy - Das Goravani valist Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:39 PM Re: Noel and "But you're not happy" Hi everyone,Real mental illness cannot be overcome by thought alone. This is something that is important for all of you to understand. Thought illness is one thing, but brain chemistry problems, are another.If a person has a wrong idea about life, is holding a grudge, has issues, that can all be handled by talk therapy, reading books, etc.If however, you experience as I do:You are going along through the day. Suddenly, you feel something, like as if you just fainted and you are now falling, you actually feel that. But you are not moving at all. Then, you feel your temperature rise significantly. You start to sweat. Then, you start to breathe differently, and a metalic taste overwhelms your mouth. Your mind starts to race, and emotions start to come up out of nowhere, with no connection to anything around you.You realize at a certain point that you cannot control this process. You panic. If you are in public, you know you have just seconds before you start balling your eyes out. You start trying to find an escape, your car, privacy, a warm bed, a friendly person who understands....You get home. You go to bed. You are whirling. You are racing. Emotions of total fear, complete failure, impending death, loathing by others, every negative thought, are all rushing, you are crying, you FEEL these things for real. There is NO control AT ALL. You cannot “stop and think” or “read a book”.No way.You are a case at this point. You are a mess. You are in private-parties-only space. Only your immediate beloved ones can see you this way, or would understand. If someone speaks to you when you are like this and is calm and trying to explain psychology, or positive thinking, you want them to stop, to go away, to leave you alone. It sounds like stupid, unenglightened, unrealistic and awful garbage. It has no feeling. It sounds like Nazi version of love. You want real love. You want to be saved, touched, loved, helped, not preached to.Eventually, after an hour, or a week, you leave that mood. You do not remember portions, you never want to go back, you know you are mad, in some way, you fear it, you respect it, and you begin the process of tolerating that most people have no idea what you just went through, and even the above explanations belittle the amazing force of it. You can go to hell in your mind. Trivializing the Devil is the only result of most spoken remedies for a true attack of insanity.I understand the people mumbling to themselves in the corner of insane asylums everywhere.And the Brahmin with no problems, and full faith in Vedas.And the normal American.It’s hard to be all these people at once. Hmm.Whatever. It’s a sunny Sunday here in Oregon.Peace to you all,ThanksRick/Das das (AT) goravani (DOT) com Secure online ordering of Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3Eugene OR 97405 USA or (Please use email if at all possible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 positive'- which hurts both those 'sane' and 'insane' alike. Doesn't allow for normal and necessary processes, such as mourning, getting in touch with ourselves, calling black black, fear-fear, pain/pain...There is much of JUDGEMENT /negative j./ in this paradigm. No room for simple love and silent help.. This is contradictory to what we know from astrology as well: difficult transit attacks us by depressed mind mostly, at the beginning at least; then it's so stupid to expect that same mind to overcome terror of the dragon of depression by trying to switch to positive thinking! It's 'catch 22', people, in order to overcome depression you need to think positively- NOT to be depressed. Nothing can be overcame on the same level- that's common sense here which some miss. Employ action, lithium, stones, ritual, food, pancha karma, hospital, doctor, cry, accept depression, but take some actions, do something, to attack it from another level, because in mind afflicted, depression is too strong and cannot be defeated on it's own ground. If nothing helps, just live it through. Again and again, you prove how many precious qualities you have. WRITE, Roik!!! Love, A. Das Goravani <das (AT) goravani (DOT) com> wrote: Hi everyone,Real mental illness cannot be overcome by thought alone. This is something that is important for all of you to understand. Thought illness is one thing, but brain chemistry problems, are another.If a person has a wrong idea about life, is holding a grudge, has issues, that can all be handled by talk therapy, reading books, etc.If however, you experience as I do:You are going along through the day. Suddenly, you feel something, like as if you just fainted and you are now falling, you actually feel that. But you are not moving at all. Then, you feel your temperature rise significantly. You start to sweat. Then, you start to breathe differently, and a metalic taste overwhelms your mouth. Your mind starts to race, and emotions start to come up out of nowhere, with no connection to anything around you.You realize at a certain point that you cannot control this process. You panic. If you are in public, you know you have just seconds before you start balling your eyes out. You start trying to find an escape, your car, privacy, a warm bed, a friendly person who understands....You get home. You go to bed. You are whirling. You are racing. Emotions of total fear, complete failure, impending death, loathing by others, every negative thought, are all rushing, you are crying, you FEEL these things for real. There is NO control AT ALL. You cannot “stop and think” or “read a book”.No way.You are a case at this point. You are a mess. You are in private-parties-only space. Only your immediate beloved ones can see you this way, or would understand. If someone speaks to you when you are like this and is calm and trying to explain psychology, or positive thinking, you want them to stop, to go away, to leave you alone. It sounds like stupid, unenglightened, unrealistic and awful garbage. It has no feeling. It sounds like Nazi version of love. You want real love. You want to be saved, touched, loved, helped, not preached to.Eventually, after an hour, or a week, you leave that mood. You do not remember portions, you never want to go back, you know you are mad, in some way, you fear it, you respect it, and you begin the process of tolerating that most people have no idea what you just went through, and even the above explanations belittle the amazing force of it. You can go to hell in your mind. Trivializing the Devil is the only result of most spoken remedies for a true attack of insanity.I understand the people mumbling to themselves in the corner of insane asylums everywhere.And the Brahmin with no problems, and full faith in Vedas.And the normal American.It’s hard to be all these people at once. Hmm.Whatever. It’s a sunny Sunday here in Oregon.Peace to you all,ThanksRick/Das das (AT) goravani (DOT) com Secure online ordering of Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3Eugene OR 97405 USA or (Please use email if at all possible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 On Feb 12, 2006, at 2:40 PM, A.R. wrote: > People will definitively benefit, in understanding mental problems / > I hate the word illness!/ at least, if you would make your thoughts > published. You so powerfully picture the essence of 'disease', even > those hypothetical human beings, who 'never experienced' > depression, crisis, would be able to understand! i agree. if das wrote his story, it might help someone... especially if he did his healing work and had an encouraging message. but not if he glorified the suffering, as if it is an all-powerful, unquestionable god of darkness. byron katie has written about her depression beautifully. she was deeply depressed and came out of it and now helps others come out of it too, by helping them ask real questions and get real answers. denying, ignoring, avoiding -- these perpetuate suffering. it really is a monster that needs to be faced and seen clearly. darkness has no power of its own. it poofs under scrutiny. > The toll of positive thinking paradigm is big- it's become 'quick > fix' tool which makes only things worse quickly. you can't think/feel positively until you have re-evaluated the hurt. but it doesn't take all that long once you are committed to looking at it. it takes courage to peek outside the covers and to reach over and grab the flashlight, but once you do and see what caused the noise, there is big relief and no more need for fear. then the same energy can be applied to having the life we want to live. > > One usually feels even more incapable, alone, crippled, if unable > 'to think positive'- which hurts both those 'sane' and 'insane' > alike. Doesn't allow for normal and necessary processes, such as > mourning, getting in touch with ourselves, calling black black, > fear-fear, pain/pain... > There is much of JUDGEMENT /negative j./ in this paradigm. No > room for simple love and silent help.. i don't like the idea of positive thinking either. it's really glossing over what is calling for healing. endless repetition of the angst also does not help. "Why does this keep happening to me?" is an indication we have not asked the deeper questions that will bring an end to the suffering. most of us have been through the same old stuff for a very long time. i lived the same sad stories with the same horrible feelings for years and years. that's what pluto helped me release. i used to be a misery fan, a drama/trauma queen. depression city. LOL i guess we have to get tired of it before we can let it go. 'the sage is never sick because he is sick of being sick.' - lao tsu when we are sick of being sick, we can heal. there is no fear that is impossible to let go of. you are right, anna, positive thinking is not enough. not at all. that's just putting a bandaid over a huge gaping, bleeding wound. thorough examination is imperative. and a lot of love... REAL love. love beyond the physical... altho a little human touch can help too. it's not always immediately apparent what underlies our angst. and it's important to be 'willing' to have it shift. it only awaits our permission to go. sitting still and asking 'what is this all about?' 'where did it begin?' 'what is the origin?' these are questions that bring answers that break ugly magic spells. love, patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 might benefit from somepast lives therapy, or at least regression.once you see where it started, the spell is broken.feelings don't come out of nowhere, das.they are in us, waiting for triggers:subtle, blatant, triggers.yes, they can seem overwhelming, but they are notimpossible to get rid of.they had a beginning so they will have an end.they are BEGGING to be faced, released and let go.they WANT to be seen, heard, felt, and released...not recycled to no end.feelings are based on incidents that can be cleared.IF you are willing to look and see what is going on.no one can force you and no one can do it for you.but people can help you by being there for you...holding a safe space while you uncover the past,shine a light on the goblins and discover that after all,you are SAFE HERE and NOW.but no one can do anything while your heels are dug in.>> Eventually, after an hour, or a week, you leave that mood. You do > not remember portions, you never want to go back, you know you are > mad, in some way, you fear it, you respect it, and you begin the > process of tolerating that most people have no idea what you just > went through, and even the above explanations belittle the amazing > force of it. You can go to hell in your mind. Trivializing the > Devil is the only result of most spoken remedies for a true attack > of insanity.hell is in your mind. that's where it is.trivializing, minimizing d'evil does not work.neither does ascribing endless power to it that it does not have.a more productive route is facing the demons and shining a light on them.ghosts become cobwebs in the light.same thing with feelings and emotions...they make sense once all the facts are in.and you are left in peace. POWERFUL peace. nothing wimpy about REAL peace. :)it's PROFOUND.>> I understand the people mumbling to themselves in the corner of > insane asylums everywhere.yes, i do too. and i feel sad that people have been hurt,and are still stuck in the trauma and pain of the past.but they don't have to stay there forever.sometimes they can come up to date and realize they are safe now.>> It’s a sunny Sunday here in Oregon.yeah. beautiful. want to take a walk? :)love, patricia : For software visit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 On Feb 12, 2006, at 3:19 PM, A.R. wrote: > Dear Patricia, > > You wrote: > "thought creates chemistry. > the world is a thought form. > think of a lemon and you will begin to salivate. > think a happy thought and you will begin to smile. > think a sad thought and you will droop. > your body FOLLOWS your mind. > the mind leads. --- > > It's definitevely so. Body CAN influence the mind by taking > actions- breathing, > pranayama is about that, don't you think so? I find it very helpful. i don't think the body breathes, anna. in my eyes, the body IS breathed. the word spirit means breath. and spirit is the life force. body is a costume, a mask we show the world. when we are willing to release the tension (fear) and to let the breath come in and fill us up -- that is when healing can occur. > I like what you said: once you see where it started, the spell is > broken. > Yes, that's the way- but I think it comes much easier when another > chanel body-mind is emplyed. if you mean breath, then i totally agree. 100% but again, the breath/spirit/life is not the body. when the spirit/breath goes -- the body is 'dead.' its usefulness is over. > My experience. > Another paradigm of our science, Freud's,"once you become AWARE > you've changed", has been so overpowering, and so detrimental to > Psychology- bcs. it simply isn't /quite???- for political > correctness, LOL/ true. please say more about that. i'm not sure what you mean. thanks. if i was to say it from my own experience with clients, i would say, "once all the facts are in, and you become aware of how you came to think and feel as you do, EVERYTHING changes." > > I don't have first-hand experience of past-life regression, only > the reports of some reliable people,ones who've gone through this. > I wish I knew more about that. and subtle aspects of regression > therapies- like, how difficult it is to give up need to control and > get hypnotized, etc.. well, 'all the facts', usually will include, the past life trauma. once we know where the fear thought began (usually at a time of terror), then we can put it in the past and -- knowing we are safe here and now -- instead of thinking: "I AM IN DANGER and EVERYTHING IS AWFUL!" we now realize, "WOW! that HAPPENED! and i'm SAFE NOW." but we carry it with us until we let go of it. das' eloquent description of the onset of his angst sounds very much like a past life threatening situation or a current life experience that may have occurred before he could talk. many of our men in the US suffer from circumcision trauma. a lot of women too. we are not allowed to be 'aware' of this trauma because 1) it is a sexual event, 2) it is preverbal, usually, and/or 3) it was supposed to have been a 'good' thing. if you notice, anna, there are three cultures at war in the middle east: US, israeli and muslim nations... these are the only three that circumcise their young. so many have unresolved anger, sorrow, grief, loss fear issues. nothing is irrational. everything just needs to be troubleshot and sorted out. it doesn't usually require much more than just a snippet of a scene and everything clicks into place. VERY efficient therapy. love, patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 > i don't think the body breathes, anna. > in my eyes, the body IS breathed. > the word spirit means breath. > and spirit is the life force. > body is a costume, a mask we show the world. > when we are willing to release the tension (fear) > and to let the breath come in and fill us up -- > that is when healing can occur. It is always both. There is always duality. So, the body breathes, and is breathed. The body is both a mask, and our true self at this time. When we are willing to do something, it is because we are being allowed to will that. We did not invent the lungs, so we are dependent on that which did. But we are the only ones using this set of lungs. But is always both willingly and unwillingly. I am not at all mentally ill, and I am. We are all God, and we are all helpless and dependent. God gives life. God takes all life away. Time is money. Neither are real. I'll shut up now. Thanks Rick/Das Secure online ordering of Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 or (Please use email if at all possible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 On Feb 12, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Das Goravani wrote: > I'll shut up now. good. LOL i thought you didn't believe in 'god.' ????? *** "Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know" - Michael de Montaigne *** Patricia Robinett www.aesculapiuspress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple">Hi Dear Das, 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple">And Happy Valentine’s Day! 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple">I was hoping to write last week when I saw this conversation starting up but never got the time to begin this. Wish I’d had the time to write as I felt this all beginning to roll… Basically just wanting to thank you for your ever open soul sharing of your experiences and to let you know that in doing this you have made a great effect on many of us. Clearly in my understanding of these problems you suffer from and my understanding of others also suffering in this way. As we have mentioned before, I also have a similar family background to you, our lovely Celtic background, perhaps this could be why some of my family members have suffered from manic depression as well. I have much more understanding and compassion with ‘getting it’ realizing that I may not have something that will completely work for them, the complexities of healing, etc, my lack of formal schooling related to depression, etc.. with family members, as well as the work I do, thanks to you and your great ability for sharing and communicating your experiences. Some people have already passed, such as my father, and I appreciate the better understanding I have of them and their struggles to be well due to your words. Also in understanding some of their addictions and choices, which were difficult for me to grasp fully the purpose of these. 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple">I have studied for many years different modes of healing, diet, yoga, meditation, homeopathy, Bach, and Jyotish – as you know. I am deeply respectful and ingratiated to you for a much fuller understanding of how complex and involved these diseases are and thank you for this. I think it is extremely important, as responsible people who use these techniques – and have found them to be great gifts to many, not to assume we really understand the depth of what is going on with serious mental disease and insist on what appears to be a close minded view - thinking differently, or some ‘cure-all’ etc.. I completely ‘get’ why you would feel upset and troubled with this – it is upsetting for many of us and we don’t even have the experience you are actually going through. 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple">I am one of many who have benefited greatly by your sharing this in how I am able to understand more fully the complexities going on with these experiences and those who suffer from them. 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple">You know I always send my love, prayers and support. 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple">Love, 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple">Patrice 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:purple"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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