Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Namaste Patricia, I looked up the word "desire" in the dictionary. It showed that the word is a derivative of the Latin word "desiderare". The French language probably uses the same root since it is a Romance language. I looked up "sire" in my French dictionary. It means sir or lord. So, you are correct. It can be translated to "of the Lord or God". Further, you mentioned "the exaltation of sacrifice and deprivation to the status of 'godliness.'" In the study of jyotish, we can find a deeper meaning of sacrifice. At the surface level, sacrifice is signified by the 12th house, the field of loss. The 12th house is also the 8th house (meaning death) from the 5th house (meaning offspring). Thus, it can be interpreted as death of the offspring or human life. In many cultures, including the Hebrews and the native peoples of Meso-America, human sacrifice was considered the best offering to appease the 'gods'. Thus, in the Old Testament, we read about Abraham who was willing to sacrifice his only son to appease his god. However, an angel stopped Abraham from killing his son at the very last second, signifying that this type of sacrifice was not acceptable. Going back to jyotish, at a deeper level, the 12th house means the sacrifice of one's thoughts. This is because the 12th house is the 8th house (death) from the 5th house, the field of ideas and creativity. For this reason, the 12th house signifies meditation, the process of transcending thoughts and ideas. So, the sacrifice needed to find the divine does not mean physical suffering as the ancient peoples believed. The sacrifice needed is the surrender of our thoughts, the ego, and the senses to attain the field of pure consciousness, the divine. Regards, John R. i am SO intrigued. > > looking forward to hearing more of your ideas. > this is all very timely for me. > thank you. > > > On May 8, 2006, at 10:05 AM, John wrote: > > > It appears to me that hell is the complete opposite of heaven, which > > is the complete fulfillment of a person's desires. According to > > Swedenbourg (a Protestant thinker/mystic), there are degrees of bliss > > or fulfillment in heaven, depending on one's development in > > consciousness. > > --- > My new book... > > "The Rape of Innocence : > One Woman's Story of > Female Genital Mutilation in the USA" > > http://www.AesculapiusPress.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 On May 8, 2006, at 10:55 PM, John wrote: > Namaste Patricia, > > I looked up the word "desire" in the dictionary. It showed that the > word is a derivative of the Latin word "desiderare". The French > language probably uses the same root since it is a Romance language. > > I looked up "sire" in my French dictionary. It means sir or lord. > So, you are correct. It can be translated to "of the Lord or God". > > Further, you mentioned "the exaltation of sacrifice and deprivation > to the status of 'godliness.'" In the study of jyotish, we can find > a deeper meaning of sacrifice. At the surface level, sacrifice is > signified by the 12th house, the field of loss. The 12th house is > also the 8th house (meaning death) from the 5th house (meaning > offspring). Thus, it can be interpreted as death of the offspring or > human life. > > In many cultures, including the Hebrews and the native peoples of > Meso-America, human sacrifice was considered the best offering to > appease the 'gods'. Thus, in the Old Testament, we read about > Abraham who was willing to sacrifice his only son to appease his god. > However, an angel stopped Abraham from killing his son at the very > last second, signifying that this type of sacrifice was not > acceptable. hi, john. thanks for writing back. yes. i am aware of that. somehow i think it might tie in with something else i read today about fear of loss... --- "I heard part of a news report on NPR a couple of days ago about psychological research on "dread". Researchers got volunteers to enter a study involving electric shocks (not immediately lethal ones, I take it). Although I didn't hear the whole report, I did catch part of it which described something interesting the researchers discovered. "People, in a situation in which they know an electric shock is coming sometime in the next minute or so, but don't know exactly when it will come, will often self administer sooner a shock which they know will be stronger in order to avoid the later milder shock, and to avoid the anxiety and dread stemming from the uncertainty of waiting for the later shock, the timing of which is a mystery not under their own control. The dread and anxiety self-generated during waiting for the later mystery shock is worse than the immediate and greater but at least self-inflicted pain. They seek the RELIEF of having the shock OVER WITH, and value that sooner relief more highly than they do avoiding the earlier worse shock the timing of which is under their own control. Researchers described the sighs of relief the subjects emitted after administering themselves the earlier stronger shocks which they knew would be stronger than the shocks that would come later but administered they knew not when." --- interesting, no? fear of pleasure. fear of loss. shooting ourselves in the foot... very interesting. kill your loved one before they die in some other way. elvira madigan. kill the relationship so you are in charge of who leaves whom. i had a client who experienced being sacrificed as a baby. left some big psychological scars. the trauma evaporated upon remembering, tho. nice. > > Going back to jyotish, at a deeper level, the 12th house means the > sacrifice of one's thoughts. This is because the 12th house is the > 8th house (death) from the 5th house, the field of ideas and > creativity. For this reason, the 12th house signifies meditation, > the process of transcending thoughts and ideas. i absolutely agree. > > So, the sacrifice needed to find the divine does not mean physical > suffering as the ancient peoples believed. The sacrifice needed is > the surrender of our thoughts, the ego, and the senses to attain the > field of pure consciousness, the divine. yes. that's it exactly. i shared tonight with my *course in miracles* class what you wrote. i think it clarifies beautifully why there is such a huge resistance to pleasure, bliss. wilhelm reich was persecuted for his work on the healthy aspects of sexual pleasure. ego prefers suffering. it's the ego's JOB to keep us in a state of dissatisfaction, distress. it uses whatever works to distract us from love / peace / joy / bliss. a diligent 'devil' -- words are so intersting. de sire. d'evil. and evil is 'live' spelled backwards... the denial of eternal life... even this life. thanks, john, for this interesting discussion. sorry i'm so terse tonight. my hand hurts & it's hard to type. love, patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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