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Namaste Patricia,

 

I looked up the word "desire" in the dictionary. It showed that the

word is a derivative of the Latin word "desiderare". The French

language probably uses the same root since it is a Romance language.

 

I looked up "sire" in my French dictionary. It means sir or lord.

So, you are correct. It can be translated to "of the Lord or God".

 

Further, you mentioned "the exaltation of sacrifice and deprivation

to the status of 'godliness.'" In the study of jyotish, we can find

a deeper meaning of sacrifice. At the surface level, sacrifice is

signified by the 12th house, the field of loss. The 12th house is

also the 8th house (meaning death) from the 5th house (meaning

offspring). Thus, it can be interpreted as death of the offspring or

human life.

 

In many cultures, including the Hebrews and the native peoples of

Meso-America, human sacrifice was considered the best offering to

appease the 'gods'. Thus, in the Old Testament, we read about

Abraham who was willing to sacrifice his only son to appease his god.

However, an angel stopped Abraham from killing his son at the very

last second, signifying that this type of sacrifice was not

acceptable.

 

Going back to jyotish, at a deeper level, the 12th house means the

sacrifice of one's thoughts. This is because the 12th house is the

8th house (death) from the 5th house, the field of ideas and

creativity. For this reason, the 12th house signifies meditation,

the process of transcending thoughts and ideas.

 

So, the sacrifice needed to find the divine does not mean physical

suffering as the ancient peoples believed. The sacrifice needed is

the surrender of our thoughts, the ego, and the senses to attain the

field of pure consciousness, the divine.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i am SO intrigued.

>

> looking forward to hearing more of your ideas.

> this is all very timely for me.

> thank you.

>

>

> On May 8, 2006, at 10:05 AM, John wrote:

>

> > It appears to me that hell is the complete opposite of heaven,

which

> > is the complete fulfillment of a person's desires. According to

> > Swedenbourg (a Protestant thinker/mystic), there are degrees of

bliss

> > or fulfillment in heaven, depending on one's development in

> > consciousness.

>

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On May 8, 2006, at 10:55 PM, John wrote:

 

> Namaste Patricia,

>

> I looked up the word "desire" in the dictionary. It showed that the

> word is a derivative of the Latin word "desiderare". The French

> language probably uses the same root since it is a Romance language.

>

> I looked up "sire" in my French dictionary. It means sir or lord.

> So, you are correct. It can be translated to "of the Lord or God".

>

> Further, you mentioned "the exaltation of sacrifice and deprivation

> to the status of 'godliness.'" In the study of jyotish, we can find

> a deeper meaning of sacrifice. At the surface level, sacrifice is

> signified by the 12th house, the field of loss. The 12th house is

> also the 8th house (meaning death) from the 5th house (meaning

> offspring). Thus, it can be interpreted as death of the offspring or

> human life.

>

> In many cultures, including the Hebrews and the native peoples of

> Meso-America, human sacrifice was considered the best offering to

> appease the 'gods'. Thus, in the Old Testament, we read about

> Abraham who was willing to sacrifice his only son to appease his god.

> However, an angel stopped Abraham from killing his son at the very

> last second, signifying that this type of sacrifice was not

> acceptable.

 

hi, john. thanks for writing back.

yes. i am aware of that. somehow i think it might tie in with

something else i read today about fear of loss...

 

---

"I heard part of a news report on NPR a couple of days ago about

psychological research on "dread". Researchers got volunteers to enter a

study involving electric shocks (not immediately lethal ones, I take

it).

Although I didn't hear the whole report, I did catch part of it which

described something interesting the researchers discovered.

 

"People, in a situation in which they know an electric shock is coming

sometime in the next minute or so, but don't know exactly when it

will come,

will often self administer sooner a shock which they know will be

stronger

in order to avoid the later milder shock, and to avoid the anxiety

and dread

stemming from the uncertainty of waiting for the later shock, the

timing of

which is a mystery not under their own control. The dread and anxiety

self-generated during waiting for the later mystery shock is worse

than the

immediate and greater but at least self-inflicted pain. They seek the

RELIEF

of having the shock OVER WITH, and value that sooner relief more

highly than

they do avoiding the earlier worse shock the timing of which is under

their

own control. Researchers described the sighs of relief the subjects

emitted

after administering themselves the earlier stronger shocks which they

knew

would be stronger than the shocks that would come later but administered

they knew not when."

---

 

interesting, no?

fear of pleasure. fear of loss.

shooting ourselves in the foot... very interesting.

kill your loved one before they die in some other way.

elvira madigan.

kill the relationship so you are in charge of who leaves whom.

i had a client who experienced being sacrificed as a baby.

left some big psychological scars.

the trauma evaporated upon remembering, tho. nice.

>

> Going back to jyotish, at a deeper level, the 12th house means the

> sacrifice of one's thoughts. This is because the 12th house is the

> 8th house (death) from the 5th house, the field of ideas and

> creativity. For this reason, the 12th house signifies meditation,

> the process of transcending thoughts and ideas.

 

i absolutely agree.

>

> So, the sacrifice needed to find the divine does not mean physical

> suffering as the ancient peoples believed. The sacrifice needed is

> the surrender of our thoughts, the ego, and the senses to attain the

> field of pure consciousness, the divine.

 

yes.

that's it exactly.

i shared tonight with my *course in miracles* class what you wrote.

i think it clarifies beautifully why there is such a huge resistance

to pleasure, bliss.

wilhelm reich was persecuted for his work on the healthy aspects

of sexual pleasure.

 

ego prefers suffering.

it's the ego's JOB to keep us in a state of

dissatisfaction, distress.

it uses whatever works to distract us from love / peace / joy / bliss.

a diligent 'devil' -- words are so intersting.

de sire. d'evil. and evil is 'live' spelled backwards...

 

the denial of eternal life... even this life.

thanks, john, for this interesting discussion.

sorry i'm so terse tonight. my hand hurts & it's hard to type.

love, patricia

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