Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 Thanks Patricia about that interesting report on "dread" & the electric shocks experiment. I believe there is a whole lotta truth in that theory. --- Patricia Robinett <patricia wrote: > On May 8, 2006, at 10:55 PM, John wrote: > > > Namaste Patricia, > > > > I looked up the word "desire" in the dictionary. > It showed that the > > word is a derivative of the Latin word > "desiderare". The French > > language probably uses the same root since it is a > Romance language. > > > > I looked up "sire" in my French dictionary. It > means sir or lord. > > So, you are correct. It can be translated to "of > the Lord or God". > > > > Further, you mentioned "the exaltation of > sacrifice and deprivation > > to the status of 'godliness.'" In the study of > jyotish, we can find > > a deeper meaning of sacrifice. At the surface > level, sacrifice is > > signified by the 12th house, the field of loss. > The 12th house is > > also the 8th house (meaning death) from the 5th > house (meaning > > offspring). Thus, it can be interpreted as death > of the offspring or > > human life. > > > > In many cultures, including the Hebrews and the > native peoples of > > Meso-America, human sacrifice was considered the > best offering to > > appease the 'gods'. Thus, in the Old Testament, > we read about > > Abraham who was willing to sacrifice his only son > to appease his god. > > However, an angel stopped Abraham from killing his > son at the very > > last second, signifying that this type of > sacrifice was not > > acceptable. > > hi, john. thanks for writing back. > yes. i am aware of that. somehow i think it might > tie in with > something else i read today about fear of loss... > > --- > "I heard part of a news report on NPR a couple of > days ago about > psychological research on "dread". Researchers got > volunteers to enter a > study involving electric shocks (not immediately > lethal ones, I take > it). > Although I didn't hear the whole report, I did catch > part of it which > described something interesting the researchers > discovered. > > "People, in a situation in which they know an > electric shock is coming > sometime in the next minute or so, but don't know > exactly when it > will come, > will often self administer sooner a shock which they > know will be > stronger > in order to avoid the later milder shock, and to > avoid the anxiety > and dread > stemming from the uncertainty of waiting for the > later shock, the > timing of > which is a mystery not under their own control. The > dread and anxiety > self-generated during waiting for the later mystery > shock is worse > than the > immediate and greater but at least self-inflicted > pain. They seek the > RELIEF > of having the shock OVER WITH, and value that sooner > relief more > highly than > they do avoiding the earlier worse shock the timing > of which is under > their > own control. Researchers described the sighs of > relief the subjects > emitted > after administering themselves the earlier stronger > shocks which they > knew > would be stronger than the shocks that would come > later but administered > they knew not when." > --- > > interesting, no? > fear of pleasure. fear of loss. > shooting ourselves in the foot... very interesting. > kill your loved one before they die in some other > way. > elvira madigan. > kill the relationship so you are in charge of who > leaves whom. > i had a client who experienced being sacrificed as a > baby. > left some big psychological scars. > the trauma evaporated upon remembering, tho. nice. > > > > Going back to jyotish, at a deeper level, the 12th > house means the > > sacrifice of one's thoughts. This is because the > 12th house is the > > 8th house (death) from the 5th house, the field of > ideas and > > creativity. For this reason, the 12th house > signifies meditation, > > the process of transcending thoughts and ideas. > > i absolutely agree. > > > > So, the sacrifice needed to find the divine does > not mean physical > > suffering as the ancient peoples believed. The > sacrifice needed is > > the surrender of our thoughts, the ego, and the > senses to attain the > > field of pure consciousness, the divine. > > yes. > that's it exactly. > i shared tonight with my *course in miracles* class > what you wrote. > i think it clarifies beautifully why there is such a > huge resistance > to pleasure, bliss. > wilhelm reich was persecuted for his work on the > healthy aspects > of sexual pleasure. > > ego prefers suffering. > it's the ego's JOB to keep us in a state of > dissatisfaction, distress. > it uses whatever works to distract us from love / > peace / joy / bliss. > a diligent 'devil' -- words are so intersting. > de sire. d'evil. and evil is 'live' spelled > backwards... > > the denial of eternal life... even this life. > thanks, john, for this interesting discussion. > sorry i'm so terse tonight. my hand hurts & it's > hard to type. > love, patricia > > > : > > > Links > > > valist > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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