The Devil's Bliss (for Tejpal et al)

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Namaste Tejpal,

 

You touched on one of the main arguments regarding this discussion.

Yes, heaven and hell can be considered manifested forms as well as

our universe. This implies that there is someone who controls the

manifestation.

 

There is a theory among certain circles that describes the dynamics

of the heavenly realm, or pure consciousness. The dynamics are

similar to the relationship of the knower, the process of knowing,

and the known. Through this dynamic relationship, manifestation of

form occurs, whether in spirit or matter.

 

In other words, the form of manifestation can occur in infinite ways

depending on the will of the Knower. In this universe, that we know

of, there is evil. But there could be other universes in which evil

is absent. The vedic literature has a graphic image of this idea by

describing Vishnu in a state of slumber in the causal ocean. As he

breathes in, all the manifested universes are destroyed. And, as he

breathes out, infinite forms of universes are created.

 

This brings us to the idea of Brahman from vedic literature and

rephrased by a Father Merton, a Catholic monk. He said that the

Creator is infinite and at the same time He/She is Not.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

valist, "Tejpal Singh" <tejpalchadha

wrote:

>

> Greetings, John.

>

> Interesting theological discussion.> Did Lucifer take this option

for his own gratification to be equal in > power with the Creator?

Or did he take this option because someone > has to take this role of

Negativity in the heavenly realm?

>

> I'm particularly interested in the latter option. Heaven seems to

relate to a manifested (material) form of God and empirical study

finds most manifestation to be bipolar... matter/antimatter,

night/day, love/hate, heaven/hell?? Following this reasoning some

being would be required to be in charge of hell, right?

>

> If I try to find an analogy within Jyotish it would be the role of

Mars, Saturn. These grahas are known to be the most malefic and yet

the role that they play, is essential isn't it? I mean take Mars for

instance. Without war, conflicts would never be resolved. In the

absence of sport, competition would be meaningless and so would

enterprise. However these grahas can create hell on earth for people

as well.

>

> Regards,

> Tejpal

>

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Namaste John,

 

The String Theory in Physics ties in neatly with that of multiple manifested

universes, and at a deeper level with that of the knower, knowing, known. A

conclusion drawn from the above speaks of 11 dimensions, of which humans can

perceive only 4. It's strange when Physics and Metaphysics conform, even if

only in theory. Just like when Catholic and Vedic philosophies conform (again

only slightly - where Heaven and Hell could relate in varying degrees to the

lokas and to one's level of consciousness/perception).

 

Regards,

Tejpal

> valist> jr_esq > Tue, 9 May 2006

17:53:13 +0000> Re: The Devil's Bliss (for Tejpal et al)> >

Namaste Tejpal,> > You touched on one of the main arguments regarding this

discussion. > Yes, heaven and hell can be considered manifested forms as well

as > our universe. This implies that there is someone who controls the >

manifestation.> > There is a theory among certain circles that describes the

dynamics > of the heavenly realm, or pure consciousness. The dynamics are >

similar to the relationship of the knower, the process of knowing, > and the

known. Through this dynamic relationship, manifestation of > form occurs,

whether in spirit or matter.> > In other words, the form of manifestation can

occur in infinite ways > depending on the will of the Knower. In this

universe, that we know > of, there is evil. But there could be other universes

in which evil > is absent. The vedic literature has a graphic image of this

idea by > describing Vishnu in a state of slumber in the causal ocean. As he >

breathes in, all the manifested universes are destroyed. And, as he > breathes

out, infinite forms of universes are created.> > This brings us to the idea of

Brahman from vedic literature and > rephrased by a Father Merton, a Catholic

monk. He said that the > Creator is infinite and at the same time He/She is

Not.> > Regards,> > John R.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

valist, "Tejpal Singh" <tejpalchadha > wrote:> >> >

Greetings, John.> > > > Interesting theological discussion.> Did Lucifer take

this option > for his own gratification to be equal in > power with the

Creator? > Or did he take this option because someone > has to take this role

of > Negativity in the heavenly realm? > > > > I'm particularly interested in

the latter option. Heaven seems to > relate to a manifested (material) form of

God and empirical study > finds most manifestation to be bipolar...

matter/antimatter, > night/day, love/hate, heaven/hell?? Following this

reasoning some > being would be required to be in charge of hell, right?> > >

> If I try to find an analogy within Jyotish it would be the role of > Mars,

Saturn. These grahas are known to be the most malefic and yet > the role that

they play, is essential isn't it? I mean take Mars for > instance. Without war,

conflicts would never be resolved. In the > absence of sport, competition would

be meaningless and so would > enterprise. However these grahas can create hell

on earth for people > as well.> > > > Regards,> > Tejpal> > > > > > > > Join

the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure > of a lifetime>

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