Guest guest Posted May 24, 1999 Report Share Posted May 24, 1999 Jaya Jagannath Dear Zoran, For the benefit of all readers, I shall begin with this small prayer to my Lord " OM KRISHNAM JAGANNATHAM NATWA SANJAYA DAIVAGYA". VIMSOTTARI DASA The Vimsottari (Lit: 120) Dasa is the King of the Ududasa and is preferred by all traditional astrologers due to the personal recommendation of Maharishi Parasara on the grounds that it is the only one (Other than Sandhya Dasa) having a period of 120 Years which is the Param Ayus of Man. Unlike other Udu Dasa it is fully balanced as it takes all the Nakshetra with equal weightage, starting with Krittika (3) for the Sun and in the order of the Sun, Moon, Mars, Rahu, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury, Ketu & Venus having periods of 6, 10, 7, 18. 16, 19, 17, 7 & 20 Years respectively. Jupiter is the Guru of the Dasa with the periods of the Sun and Moon equal to that of Jupiter (6 + 10 = 16). Readers are familiar with the calculations and I shall leave this out. The Dasa's of the planets starting from that occupied by the Moon are also called Janma (Birth), Sampat (Wealth) etc. The 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th Dasa are generally considered evil. Some astrologers add that the 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th in Kali yuga refer to Balarista (infantile death), Alpa Ayus (Short life), Madhya Ayus( Middle Life) and Poorna Ayus (Long Life) respectively. Some astrologers also count the 1st, 3rd, 5th & 7th stars lordship from that occupied by the Lagna for determining health instead of Moon Star ( This is not agreed to by most). However, transit of the Moon is always reckoned from the birth Moon Star. The Dasa of the 2nd & 7th Lords or planets in these houses from Lagna, Paka Lagna or Arudha Lagna can cause a lot of Pain and Suffering. Hence Maha Mritunjaya Japa (8000 to be completed in 40 Days) is advised during the Vimsottari Dasa/ Antar of the planets so placed or Lords of 2/7 houses. The dasa of the lords of the trines is generally good while those of Dusthana (3, 6,8 &12 houses) is bad. The Upachaya (3,6 &11) are houses of growth and their Lords give growth after perseverence in Kali Yuga. The Lords of Kendra (Quadrants) generally give good results. Kendradhipatya Dosha applies to planets owing the quadrants. This Dosha ONLY results in reduction of effects and not their alteration. Natural Benefics (Jup, Ven, Merc, Moon) owning Kendra become less benefic/ neutral while natural malefic owning Kendra houses (1,4,7,10 Houses) lose their sting/ become less malefic. If the the planet is also placed in its own sign, then all malefic results are lost and MahaPurusha Yoga results. Natural Benefics owning Quadrants, if also placed in Quadrants or trines give Rajyoga whereas natural malefics owning Quadrants if placed in a dusthana give Rajyoga. The Sun, Moon and Lagna form the tripod of life. Thus, the results of the Dasa Planet should also be examined from the Sun, as the antardasa planet is also examined from the Moon and the Pratyantar dasa planet is examined from the Lagna. Combustion of planets cannot occur when they are retrograde (except Venus which revolves in the opposite direction i.e. Venus cannot be combust when in Direct motion). Combustion of Yogakarak planets ruins the fortune whereas the combustion of evil planets results in Rajyoga. If there is Pravrajya Yoga (Renunciation etc.) indicated by the conjunction of four or more planets, then the combustion is a material blessing as it destroys the Pravrajya Yoga and results in good fortune. (Readers can examine this in the Chart of Filmstar Amitabh Bachchan, Hyder Ali etc). Retrogrades have tremendous "Chesta Bala" and they can put in a lot of effort or the native has to put in a lot of effort to achive the indications of the retrograde planet. The retrograde planet normally reverses the indications of the house it is in. It is very strong being full of Rays and its indications are sure to occur. Thus, if retrograde in the 11th house, gains may be delayed or altogether denied. If retrograde in the fifth, the mind/children (one normally) will suffer. This is the first lot on the effects of the Dasa Planet. I hope readers can contribute charts wherein these principles can be verified. Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath ---------------- You Wrote: - > This massage had difficulty in sending so I am resending it, > Dear Sanjay and list members,please kindly read it. > Regards, > Zoran > > > Dear Sanjay, > > Yes,your contribution in promotion of Arudha padas has been very > > valuble.Five years ago, I learnt all the technical details of those > > arudhas.I applied them at that > time > > with success.However, > > Your contribution in their use in divisional charts,apart from upapada > > for marriage,has a complete refference in BPHS,and I have tested it on > > more than 100 charts so far.The results are fascinating. > > It would be very kind of you,and I am very interested to hear the list > > of > rules > > for Vimshottari > > effects of dashas-bhuktis.I am sure that all list members will wellcome > > it. While we are discussing dashas,I am using an opportunity to ask a > > question.I have used successfully Yogini dasha so far,for covering > > general purposes.My expereience was that it particullarly gives good > > effects on timing events of marriage and children.Is there a specific > > use of it? Love and regards, Zoran > > SRath wrote: > > ------ eGroups.com home: sjvc - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 Jaya Jagannath Dear Zoran, Additional Views:- > > Natural Benefics owning > > > Quadrants, if also placed in Quadrants or trines give Rajyoga whereas > > natural malefics owning Quadrants if placed in a dusthana give Rajyoga. > > > > I was taught that natural benefic owning quadrants if placed in quadrants > are slightly unfavourable. > and I have seen in practice jupiter for gemini/pisces/sagittarius/virgo > ascendent gives slightly unfoavourable effects in his dasha if placed in > quadrant.Could you explain?Also,neecha saturn as yogakaraka for taurus > lagna,has given bad effects in his dasha in several cases. Sanjay: They are not unfavourable as they generate Mahapurusha Yoga. However, we cannot ignore the Badhak Lordship of the seventh lord and this will also come by. So, Jupiter could be slightly unfavourable for Mercurial Lagna as Mercury for Jupiterian Lagna due to this Badhak Lordship. Saturn ia also the Badhak for Taurus. The point is suo moto Saturn gives Rajyoga and such a placement can make him very destructive. Whichever planet conjoins it can see the signification destroyed. In one case of Taurus Lagna with Saturn and Jupiter in the 12th house, the native became the Chief Secretary, but also lost his only son (drowning incident). Thus Jupiter signifying children/ sons was destroyed as he rose to the pinnacle of his profession. He has too many enemies and Jealous people around. > > Retrogrades have tremendous "Chesta Bala" and they can put in a > > lot > > of effort or the native has to put in a lot of effort to achive the > > indications of the retrograde planet. The retrograde planet normally > > reverses the indications of the house it is in. It is very strong being > > full of Rays and its indications are sure to occur. Thus, if retrograde > > in the 11th house, gains may be delayed or altogether denied. If > > retrograde in the fifth, the mind/children (one normally) will suffer. > > My friend has retrograde exalted jupiter in 2.house(gemini).In jupiter > antara he fetched the enormous > gains.He was born wealthy,and is wealthy.He has very good job.Jupiter is > lord of 10.and good spouse > (lord of 7.)My another friend is aries lagna,with mars and saturn in > 4.house.Saturn is retrograde.She was born in extremelly wealthy family,has > a lot of movable assets and gains,as lord of 11.I do not see how saturn > has reversed effects.However,as lord ogf 10.she never had independent > career,but participated ih her husband career who was very, > very,successful.Neecha mars could also lead to lack of own career.In my > chart,mercury is retrograde in 2,house,and I am not poor,and see no > reversed effects in 2.house matters.I agree that retrogrades have > tremendous strenght.Parashara gives them ful measure(60 rupas).Could you > explain what you mean my"Reversed" effect,please? Sanjay: Zoran, the retrograde planet is full of Rays and very very strong. Thus, it behaves like an independant Sun..For example Jupiter when retrograde will behave like a Yellow Sun while a retrograde Saturn will show light like a blue Sun. I have retrograde Saturn in the 11th house and it is also the atmakaraka indicating that I will follow the traditional line of my forefathers. Inspite of all the efforts of my family to make a good "engineer" out of me, I somehow continued with Jyotish. Saturn is in the 11th house and the hopes have been reversed during its period. Reversed means "Changed". For example in Saturn-Saturn we had a new Factory and a very high status, but in Saturn-Ketu the situation was reversed and it was lost. In both the examples you quote money matters that are best seen from the Arudha Lagna instead of Lagna. Ask the first friend about personal matters concerning the second house like choise of food, appetite, family affairs etc. While the second could have seen sorrow, but to what extent she will disclose is to be seen. When is your Mercury Dasa period? Please give the three charts and the Dasa for further discussion on these finer points. Best regards, Sanjay Rath ---------------- ------ eGroups.com home: sjvc - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 Sanjay, I must tell you that I lost a very good friend who had Virgo rising during her Jupiter mahadasa. So I would say her Jupiter was more than "slightly" malefic. Also, another friend lost his mother...same story. I am not trying to be argumentative here, just trying to bring forth another side of the story. Gangadhara Girish Gary Gomes Swami Kampananda ---------- > SRath <SRath > Zoran Radosavljevic <satya > Cc: GJList <gjlist; SJVC <sjvc > > [sjvc] Re: Vimsottari Dasa > Tuesday, May 25, 1999 9:30 PM > > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Zoran, > Additional Views:- > > > > Natural Benefics owning > > > > > Quadrants, if also placed in Quadrants or trines give Rajyoga whereas > > > natural malefics owning Quadrants if placed in a dusthana give Rajyoga. > > > > > > > I was taught that natural benefic owning quadrants if placed in quadrants > > are slightly unfavourable. > > and I have seen in practice jupiter for gemini/pisces/sagittarius/virgo > > ascendent gives slightly unfoavourable effects in his dasha if placed in > > quadrant.Could you explain?Also,neecha saturn as yogakaraka for taurus > > lagna,has given bad effects in his dasha in several cases. > Sanjay: They are not unfavourable as they generate Mahapurusha Yoga. > However, we cannot ignore the Badhak Lordship of the seventh lord and this > will also come by. So, Jupiter could be slightly unfavourable for Mercurial > Lagna as Mercury for Jupiterian Lagna due to this Badhak Lordship. > Saturn ia also the Badhak for Taurus. The point is suo moto Saturn > gives Rajyoga and such a placement can make him very destructive. Whichever > planet conjoins it can see the signification destroyed. In one case of > Taurus Lagna with Saturn and Jupiter in the 12th house, the native became > the Chief Secretary, but also lost his only son (drowning incident). Thus > Jupiter signifying children/ sons was destroyed as he rose to the pinnacle > of his profession. He has too many enemies and Jealous people around. > > > > Retrogrades have tremendous "Chesta Bala" and they can put in a > > > lot > > > of effort or the native has to put in a lot of effort to achive the > > > indications of the retrograde planet. The retrograde planet normally > > > reverses the indications of the house it is in. It is very strong being > > > full of Rays and its indications are sure to occur. Thus, if retrograde > > > in the 11th house, gains may be delayed or altogether denied. If > > > retrograde in the fifth, the mind/children (one normally) will suffer. > > > > My friend has retrograde exalted jupiter in 2.house(gemini).In jupiter > > antara he fetched the enormous > > gains.He was born wealthy,and is wealthy.He has very good job.Jupiter is > > lord of 10.and good spouse > > (lord of 7.)My another friend is aries lagna,with mars and saturn in > > 4.house.Saturn is retrograde.She was born in extremelly wealthy family,has > > a lot of movable assets and gains,as lord of 11.I do not see how saturn > > has reversed effects.However,as lord ogf 10.she never had independent > > career,but participated ih her husband career who was very, > > very,successful.Neecha mars could also lead to lack of own career.In my > > chart,mercury is retrograde in 2,house,and I am not poor,and see no > > reversed effects in 2.house matters.I agree that retrogrades have > > tremendous strenght.Parashara gives them ful measure(60 rupas).Could you > > explain what you mean my"Reversed" effect,please? > > Sanjay: Zoran, the retrograde planet is full of Rays and very very strong. > Thus, it behaves like an independant Sun..For example Jupiter when > retrograde will behave like a Yellow Sun while a retrograde Saturn will show > light like a blue Sun. I have retrograde Saturn in the 11th house and it is > also the atmakaraka indicating that I will follow the traditional line of my > forefathers. Inspite of all the efforts of my family to make a good > "engineer" out of me, I somehow continued with Jyotish. Saturn is in the > 11th house and the hopes have been reversed during its period. Reversed > means "Changed". For example in Saturn-Saturn we had a new Factory and a > very high status, but in Saturn-Ketu the situation was reversed and it was > lost. > In both the examples you quote money matters that are best seen from > the Arudha Lagna instead of Lagna. Ask the first friend about personal > matters concerning the second house like choise of food, appetite, family > affairs etc. While the second could have seen sorrow, but to what extent she > will disclose is to be seen. When is your Mercury Dasa period? Please give > the three charts and the Dasa for further discussion on these finer points. > > > Best regards, > Sanjay Rath > ---------------- > > ------ > Too much effort to find the stock info you want each day? StockMaster > lets you enter a company name and quickly shows you a daily quote, > chart, and news all on one page. Free! http://clickhere./click/71 > > > eGroups.com home: sjvc > - Simplifying group communications > > > ------ eGroups.com home: sjvc - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 Dear Sanjay, > Sanjay: They are not unfavourable as they generate Mahapurusha Yoga. > However, we cannot ignore the Badhak Lordship of the seventh lord and this > will also come by. So, Jupiter could be slightly unfavourable for Mercurial > Lagna as Mercury for Jupiterian Lagna due to this Badhak Lordship. > Saturn ia also the Badhak for Taurus. The point is suo moto Saturn > gives Rajyoga and such a placement can make him very destructive. Whichever > planet conjoins it can see the signification destroyed. In one case of > Taurus Lagna with Saturn and Jupiter in the 12th house, the native became > the Chief Secretary, but also lost his only son (drowning incident). Thus > Jupiter signifying children/ sons was destroyed as he rose to the pinnacle > of his profession. He has too many enemies and Jealous people around. Now,it is all clear.That is exactly what I meant and observed. > In both the examples you quote money matters that are best seen from > the Arudha Lagna instead of Lagna. Ask the first friend about personal > matters concerning the second house like choise of food, appetite, family > affairs etc. While the second could have seen sorrow, but to what extent she > will disclose is to be seen. When is your Mercury Dasa period? Please give > the three charts and the Dasa for further discussion on these finer points. I"ll confine to my own chart,so that your vimshottari dasha hints and explanations may continue as soon as possible,without distracting to another subjects.I think that you still have my data,but if not I can send them again.As you could see in my chart mercury is in 2.house in capricorn RX and Jupiter is in 10.house Rx in virgo.I run mercury mahadasha from 1987.(lahiri ayanamsha)One point that I see now,is that indeed mercury's dasha didn't take me towards material values,and earning money but towards spiritual,and academic knoweldge and jyotish.Is this the "reversed"effects?Could you please explain Retro JUpiter in 10.house?Could it take my activities towards spiritual values rather than material success and power.I had many opportunities to pursue career and profitable jobs,but I alwyas remained within the limit,and decided to spend my time for knowledge.Is this the "reverse" case effect, or perhaps the infulence of ketu.If you don't have my birthdata,I"ll send them.Could you please forward my chart (from your GJ) since my software has not that option. Regards and love, Zoran > > Best regards, > Sanjay Rath > ---------------- ------ eGroups.com home: sjvc - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 1999 Report Share Posted May 26, 1999 Jaya Jagannath Dear Zoran, You wrote:- > mercury is > in 2.house in capricorn RX and Jupiter is in 10.house Rx in virgo.I run > mercury mahadasha from 1987.(lahiri ayanamsha)One point that I see now,is > that indeed mercury's dasha didn't take me towards material values,and > earning money but towards spiritual,and academic knoweldge and jyotish.Is > this the "reversed"effects?Could you please explain Retro JUpiter in > 10.house?Could it take my activities towards spiritual values rather than > material success and power.I had many opportunities to pursue career and > profitable > jobs,but I alwyas remained within the limit,and decided to spend my time > for knowledge.Is this the "reverse" case effect, or perhaps the infulence > of ketu.If you don't have my birthdata,I"ll send them.Could you please > forward my chart (from your GJ) since my software has not that option. You jump too many points. The reasons for Mercury giving good results is very very simple. The Lagna is Sagittarius and the Arudha lagna is Pisces. Now study the placement of these planets . Jupiter is the Lord of AL and is retrograde in the 7th house i.e. you will have a strong influence of Jupiter in your external personality in this World of Mayaa. You will prefer the company of learned ones and saints and will also be looked upon as one. Both AL & Lagna are in Jupiterian signs. Mercury is the dispositor of the lagna Lord in the second house and you will not live upto the expectations of your Family lineage and will adopt the ways you prefer. Mercury generates SIMHASANA YOGA in your Chart and is also placed in the 11th from the AL..Mercury Dasa is going to prove to be fantastic financially. But then where is your focus? Is it in the 2nd house? No, instead it is on the 8th house (Occult knowledge). Thus the focus on family etc dwindles as money is adequate to take care of all wants. Thus, mercury gave excellent results as it was the badhak in the 2nd and its evil was reversed to good results. However, Jupiter rules your childhood (Lagna & 4th) and being retrograde in the tenth only promises hardship in Childhood. Jupiter becomes totally benefic as the kendradhipatya Dosha is fully cancelled, but its retrogression is bad..reverses the indications of Good effects and only bad follows. Now, Natural Benefics enhance the sign they aspect at the cost of the sign they are placed in, but..this is also reversed in retrogression. The 4th is badly damaged as the tenth is helped. Reversal is a very broad word. Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath ---------------- ------ eGroups.com home: sjvc - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 1999 Report Share Posted May 26, 1999 Dear Sanjay, Jupiter is the Lord of > AL and is retrograde in the 7th house i.e. you will have a strong influence > of Jupiter in your external personality in this World of Mayaa. You will > prefer the company of learned ones and saints and will also be looked upon > as one. Both AL & Lagna are in Jupiterian signs. I totally forgot to look at arudha lagna.You are completelly right.Sorry... > Mercury is the dispositor > of the lagna Lord in the second house and you will not live upto the > expectations of your Family lineage and will adopt the ways you prefer. > Mercury generates SIMHASANA YOGA in your Chart and is also placed in the > 11th from the AL..Mercury Dasa is going to prove to be fantastic > financially. But then where is your focus? Is it in the 2nd house? No, > instead it is on the 8th house (Occult knowledge). If I understood rigthly yoe mention the 8.house due to a mercury's drishti on it? > However, Jupiter rules your childhood (Lagna & > 4th) and being retrograde in the tenth only promises hardship in Childhood. > Jupiter becomes totally benefic as the kendradhipatya Dosha is fully > cancelled, but its retrogression is bad..reverses the indications of Good > effects and only bad follows. Well I do not understand this completelly.I was in jupiter antara and it was very good. I was also in mercury/ketu dasha and ketu is in yuti with jupiter.The best period in my life. I am not uneducated,nor I see the bad effects of Jupiter.Could you explain what you meant? Why is jupiter kendraadhipatya dosha fully cancelled.Lord of kendra placed in kendra?Shouldn't it be in trine to cancel the dosha,or in 4./lagna to give mahapurusha yoga? > Now, Natural Benefics enhance the sign they aspect at the cost of > the sign they are placed in, but..this is also reversed in retrogression. > The 4th is badly damaged as the tenth is helped. > Reversal is a very broad word. Does it mean that jupiter aspect its own 4.house is bad?I didn't experience the bad effects of 4.house signifiations so far.My mother is very special,religious person,very human and nice.I do not understand what you meant by bad effect of retro jupiter's aspect on 4.house. I didn't experience significantly bad effects in 4.house significations. IS THERE SOMETHING GOOD ARISING FROM RETROGRADE PLANET,DUE TO ITS FULL RAYS/STRENGHT? You are always here to help us in our "growing up" in jyotish. With thanks, Zoran > > Best Wishes, > Sanjay Rath > ---------------- ------ eGroups.com home: sjvc - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 1999 Report Share Posted May 27, 1999 Jaya Jagannath Dear Zoran, What is the first reading about the 4th lord in the 10th house? It tells us that the mother shall be an extrovert and there will be separation between the parents. Now, Jupiter is retrograde, so say the reversed reading. Now what exactly are the evils of Jupiter? As the lord of AL & Lagna it guarantees yoga in its periods, but being retrograde in Virgo this will always be restricted by spiritualism. The fourth house also rules home, hometown and Motherland..What period are you running now? Are the planets linked to Jupiter? As regards full rays, it starts behaving like the Sun i.e independantly and if beneficial can raise a person to dizzying heights. Fortunately, both Jupiter and Mercury are beneficial from AL. This is a clear indication of good Karma of the Past and the blessings of your Guru. Who is your Guru? Does he have some special powers? Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath ---------------- You Wrote: - > Dear Sanjay, > > Jupiter is the Lord of > > > AL and is retrograde in the 7th house i.e. you will have a strong > > influence of Jupiter in your external personality in this World of > > Mayaa. You will prefer the company of learned ones and saints and will > > also be looked upon as one. Both AL & Lagna are in Jupiterian signs. > > I totally forgot to look at arudha lagna.You are completelly > right.Sorry... > > > Mercury is the dispositor > > of the lagna Lord in the second house and you will not live upto the > > expectations of your Family lineage and will adopt the ways you prefer. > > Mercury generates SIMHASANA YOGA in your Chart and is also placed in the > > 11th from the AL..Mercury Dasa is going to prove to be fantastic > > financially. But then where is your focus? Is it in the 2nd house? No, > > instead it is on the 8th house (Occult knowledge). > > If I understood rigthly yoe mention the 8.house due to a mercury's drishti > on it? > > > > However, Jupiter rules your childhood (Lagna & > > 4th) and being retrograde in the tenth only promises hardship in > > Childhood. Jupiter becomes totally benefic as the kendradhipatya Dosha > > is fully cancelled, but its retrogression is bad..reverses the > > indications of Good effects and only bad follows. > > Well I do not understand this completelly.I was in jupiter antara and it > was very good. > I was also in mercury/ketu dasha and ketu is in yuti with jupiter.The best > period in my life. > I am not uneducated,nor I see the bad effects of Jupiter.Could you explain > what you meant? > Why is jupiter kendraadhipatya dosha fully cancelled.Lord of kendra placed > in kendra?Shouldn't it be in trine to cancel the dosha,or in 4./lagna to > give mahapurusha yoga? > > > Now, Natural Benefics enhance the sign they aspect at the cost > > of > > the sign they are placed in, but..this is also reversed in > > retrogression. The 4th is badly damaged as the tenth is helped. > > Reversal is a very broad word. > > Does it mean that jupiter aspect its own 4.house is bad?I didn't > experience the bad > effects of 4.house signifiations so far.My mother is very > special,religious person,very human and nice.I do not understand what you > meant by bad effect of retro jupiter's aspect on 4.house. > I didn't experience significantly bad effects in 4.house significations. > IS THERE SOMETHING GOOD ARISING FROM RETROGRADE PLANET,DUE TO ITS FULL > RAYS/STRENGHT? > You are always here to help us in our "growing up" in jyotish. > With thanks, > Zoran > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > Sanjay Rath > > ---------------- ------ eGroups.com home: sjvc - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 Dear Gary, Yes, the Badhak and 7th lordship caused the deaths. We cannot attribute the deaths to kendradhipatya dosha. To confirm this, we need to see in how many cases has tenth lord Moon given bad results for Libra Lagna or check in all such cases where the 7th lordship is also not involved. Nice to hear from you, Sanjay Crystal Expectation <crystalx <sjvc > Wednesday, May 26, 1999 09:04 Rath [sjvc] Re: Vimsottari Dasa >Sanjay, > >I must tell you that I lost a very good friend who had Virgo rising during >her Jupiter mahadasa. So I would say her Jupiter was more than "slightly" >malefic. Also, another friend lost his mother...same story. > >I am not trying to be argumentative here, just trying to bring forth >another side of the story. > >Gangadhara Girish >Gary Gomes >Swami Kampananda > >---------- >> SRath <SRath >> Zoran Radosavljevic <satya >> Cc: GJList <gjlist; SJVC <sjvc > >> [sjvc] Re: Vimsottari Dasa >> Tuesday, May 25, 1999 9:30 PM >> >> Jaya Jagannath >> Dear Zoran, >> Additional Views:- >> > >> > Natural Benefics owning >> > >> > > Quadrants, if also placed in Quadrants or trines give Rajyoga whereas >> > > natural malefics owning Quadrants if placed in a dusthana give >Rajyoga. >> > > >> > >> > I was taught that natural benefic owning quadrants if placed in >quadrants >> > are slightly unfavourable. >> > and I have seen in practice jupiter for gemini/pisces/sagittarius/virgo >> > ascendent gives slightly unfoavourable effects in his dasha if placed >in >> > quadrant.Could you explain?Also,neecha saturn as yogakaraka for taurus >> > lagna,has given bad effects in his dasha in several cases. >> Sanjay: They are not unfavourable as they generate Mahapurusha Yoga. >> However, we cannot ignore the Badhak Lordship of the seventh lord and >this >> will also come by. So, Jupiter could be slightly unfavourable for >Mercurial >> Lagna as Mercury for Jupiterian Lagna due to this Badhak Lordship. >> Saturn ia also the Badhak for Taurus. The point is suo moto Saturn >> gives Rajyoga and such a placement can make him very destructive. >Whichever >> planet conjoins it can see the signification destroyed. In one case of >> Taurus Lagna with Saturn and Jupiter in the 12th house, the native became >> the Chief Secretary, but also lost his only son (drowning incident). Thus >> Jupiter signifying children/ sons was destroyed as he rose to the >pinnacle >> of his profession. He has too many enemies and Jealous people around. >> >> > > Retrogrades have tremendous "Chesta Bala" and they can put in >a >> > > lot >> > > of effort or the native has to put in a lot of effort to achive the >> > > indications of the retrograde planet. The retrograde planet normally >> > > reverses the indications of the house it is in. It is very strong >being >> > > full of Rays and its indications are sure to occur. Thus, if >retrograde >> > > in the 11th house, gains may be delayed or altogether denied. If >> > > retrograde in the fifth, the mind/children (one normally) will >suffer. >> > >> > My friend has retrograde exalted jupiter in 2.house(gemini).In jupiter >> > antara he fetched the enormous >> > gains.He was born wealthy,and is wealthy.He has very good job.Jupiter >is >> > lord of 10.and good spouse >> > (lord of 7.)My another friend is aries lagna,with mars and saturn in >> > 4.house.Saturn is retrograde.She was born in extremelly wealthy >family,has >> > a lot of movable assets and gains,as lord of 11.I do not see how saturn >> > has reversed effects.However,as lord ogf 10.she never had independent >> > career,but participated ih her husband career who was very, >> > very,successful.Neecha mars could also lead to lack of own career.In my >> > chart,mercury is retrograde in 2,house,and I am not poor,and see no >> > reversed effects in 2.house matters.I agree that retrogrades have >> > tremendous strenght.Parashara gives them ful measure(60 rupas).Could >you >> > explain what you mean my"Reversed" effect,please? >> >> Sanjay: Zoran, the retrograde planet is full of Rays and very very >strong. >> Thus, it behaves like an independant Sun..For example Jupiter when >> retrograde will behave like a Yellow Sun while a retrograde Saturn will >show >> light like a blue Sun. I have retrograde Saturn in the 11th house and it >is >> also the atmakaraka indicating that I will follow the traditional line of >my >> forefathers. Inspite of all the efforts of my family to make a good >> "engineer" out of me, I somehow continued with Jyotish. Saturn is in the >> 11th house and the hopes have been reversed during its period. Reversed >> means "Changed". For example in Saturn-Saturn we had a new Factory and a >> very high status, but in Saturn-Ketu the situation was reversed and it >was >> lost. >> In both the examples you quote money matters that are best seen from >> the Arudha Lagna instead of Lagna. Ask the first friend about personal >> matters concerning the second house like choise of food, appetite, family >> affairs etc. While the second could have seen sorrow, but to what extent >she >> will disclose is to be seen. When is your Mercury Dasa period? Please >give >> the three charts and the Dasa for further discussion on these finer >points. >> >> >> Best regards, >> Sanjay Rath >> ---------------- >> >> ------ >> Too much effort to find the stock info you want each day? StockMaster >> lets you enter a company name and quickly shows you a daily quote, >> chart, and news all on one page. Free! >http://clickhere./click/71 >> >> >> eGroups.com home: sjvc >> - Simplifying group communications >> >> >> > >------ >The Weather Underground. We provide weather across the world. >Visit http://clickhere./click/48 > > > >eGroups.com home: sjvc > - Simplifying group communications > > > > ------ eGroups.com home: sjvc - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 Dear Sanjay, Sorry for the delay,had no electricity.BTW.Jupiter entered aries and it is now worse in Belgrade.No electricity and water... NAto is targeting even civilians houses and flats...Many dead and wounded...I feel very,very said...threathen to bomb all communications,telephones,internet...They are preparing ground troops...That would be a slaughter....I am very afraid for my family,cousins and friends...What do you think,any comforting words? Now,back to jyotish to distract sad thoughts... SRath wrote: > What is the first reading about the 4th lord in the 10th house? It > tells us that the mother shall be an extrovert and there will be separation > between the parents. Now, Jupiter is retrograde, so say the reversed > reading. As far as I understood,you mentioned that 4.lord in 10.house should bring separation,why? > Now what exactly are the evils of Jupiter? As the lord of AL & Lagna > it guarantees yoga in its periods, but being retrograde in Virgo this will > always be restricted by spiritualism. I will always be happy if my finance is restricted by spiritualism.Yes,you are right.Between money and spiritual life I always choose the letter. > The fourth house also rules home, > hometown and Motherland..What period are you running now? Are the planets > linked to Jupiter? In vimshottari I am running budha/rahu/surya,They are all connected to arudha lagna and 4.house. > As regards full rays, it starts behaving like the Sun i.e > independantly and if beneficial can raise a person to dizzying heights. > Fortunately, both Jupiter and Mercury are beneficial from AL. This is a > clear indication of good Karma of the Past and the blessings of your Guru. > Who is your Guru? Does he have some special powers? My spiritual Guru is Shri Maharishi Mahesh Yogi,My link with Him is profound and ever-present... After meeting Him,My life has completelly changed....MANTRA MULAM GURU VAKYAM MOKSHA MULAM GURU KRIPAM....Aftter I experienced his meditation tehniques,I realized what powerful knowledge lies behind Him and Holy Shankaracharya tradition.Of course there were many others who led me in this spiritual path...GJList and Vedic-astrology list are in a way My guru as well I take humble gratitude to You,Narasimha and all other learned members who contributed to exchange of knowledge. BEst wishes, Zoran > > Best Wishes, > Sanjay Rath > ---------------- > You Wrote: - > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > Jupiter is the Lord of > > > > > AL and is retrograde in the 7th house i.e. you will have a strong > > > influence of Jupiter in your external personality in this World of > > > Mayaa. You will prefer the company of learned ones and saints and will > > > also be looked upon as one. Both AL & Lagna are in Jupiterian signs. > > > > I totally forgot to look at arudha lagna.You are completelly > > right.Sorry... > > > > > Mercury is the dispositor > > > of the lagna Lord in the second house and you will not live upto the > > > expectations of your Family lineage and will adopt the ways you prefer. > > > Mercury generates SIMHASANA YOGA in your Chart and is also placed in the > > > 11th from the AL..Mercury Dasa is going to prove to be fantastic > > > financially. But then where is your focus? Is it in the 2nd house? No, > > > instead it is on the 8th house (Occult knowledge). > > > > If I understood rigthly yoe mention the 8.house due to a mercury's drishti > > on it? > > > > > > > However, Jupiter rules your childhood (Lagna & > > > 4th) and being retrograde in the tenth only promises hardship in > > > Childhood. Jupiter becomes totally benefic as the kendradhipatya Dosha > > > is fully cancelled, but its retrogression is bad..reverses the > > > indications of Good effects and only bad follows. > > > > Well I do not understand this completelly.I was in jupiter antara and it > > was very good. > > I was also in mercury/ketu dasha and ketu is in yuti with jupiter.The best > > period in my life. > > I am not uneducated,nor I see the bad effects of Jupiter.Could you explain > > what you meant? > > Why is jupiter kendraadhipatya dosha fully cancelled.Lord of kendra placed > > in kendra?Shouldn't it be in trine to cancel the dosha,or in 4./lagna to > > give mahapurusha yoga? > > > > > Now, Natural Benefics enhance the sign they aspect at the cost > > > of > > > the sign they are placed in, but..this is also reversed in > > > retrogression. The 4th is badly damaged as the tenth is helped. > > > Reversal is a very broad word. > > > > Does it mean that jupiter aspect its own 4.house is bad?I didn't > > experience the bad > > effects of 4.house signifiations so far.My mother is very > > special,religious person,very human and nice.I do not understand what you > > meant by bad effect of retro jupiter's aspect on 4.house. > > I didn't experience significantly bad effects in 4.house significations. > > IS THERE SOMETHING GOOD ARISING FROM RETROGRADE PLANET,DUE TO ITS FULL > > RAYS/STRENGHT? > > You are always here to help us in our "growing up" in jyotish. > > With thanks, > > Zoran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Sanjay Rath > > > ---------------- ------ eGroups.com home: sjvc - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 1999 Report Share Posted August 21, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATHA Dear Gangadharaji, Sorry for this late reply. I missed the mail when I was ill. Yes, any dasa can cause death. this is dependant on the Moon very much. Specially, the Vimsottari Lords of the 3rd, 5th & 7th Starrs from the Janma Star. Further, the Benefics owning Kendra become less benefic and the conjunctions or aspect of malefics can show them giving negative results. The placement of Jupiter is Vital and its Kendradhipatya Dosha is not at all bad as the BADHAK DOSHA. When Jupiter decides to obstruct something, then it is very difficult to remove the obstruction. Can we have the charts for a discussion. Thank you, Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Sri Jagannath Vedic Center 152B Pocket C Mayur Vihar Phase-2, Delhi 110091 Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath Webpage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/9544/ - Crystal Expectation <crystalx <sjvc > Wednesday, May 26, 1999 8:51 AM [sjvc] Re: Vimsottari Dasa Sanjay, I must tell you that I lost a very good friend who had Virgo rising during her Jupiter mahadasa. So I would say her Jupiter was more than "slightly" malefic. Also, another friend lost his mother...same story. I am not trying to be argumentative here, just trying to bring forth another side of the story. Gangadhara Girish Gary Gomes Swami Kampananda ---------- > SRath <SRath > Zoran Radosavljevic <satya > Cc: GJList <gjlist; SJVC <sjvc > > [sjvc] Re: Vimsottari Dasa > Tuesday, May 25, 1999 9:30 PM > > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Zoran, > Additional Views:- > > > > Natural Benefics owning > > > > > Quadrants, if also placed in Quadrants or trines give Rajyoga whereas > > > natural malefics owning Quadrants if placed in a dusthana give Rajyoga. > > > > > > > I was taught that natural benefic owning quadrants if placed in quadrants > > are slightly unfavourable. > > and I have seen in practice jupiter for gemini/pisces/sagittarius/virgo > > ascendent gives slightly unfoavourable effects in his dasha if placed in > > quadrant.Could you explain?Also,neecha saturn as yogakaraka for taurus > > lagna,has given bad effects in his dasha in several cases. > Sanjay: They are not unfavourable as they generate Mahapurusha Yoga. > However, we cannot ignore the Badhak Lordship of the seventh lord and this > will also come by. So, Jupiter could be slightly unfavourable for Mercurial > Lagna as Mercury for Jupiterian Lagna due to this Badhak Lordship. > Saturn ia also the Badhak for Taurus. The point is suo moto Saturn > gives Rajyoga and such a placement can make him very destructive. Whichever > planet conjoins it can see the signification destroyed. In one case of > Taurus Lagna with Saturn and Jupiter in the 12th house, the native became > the Chief Secretary, but also lost his only son (drowning incident). Thus > Jupiter signifying children/ sons was destroyed as he rose to the pinnacle > of his profession. He has too many enemies and Jealous people around. > > > > Retrogrades have tremendous "Chesta Bala" and they can put in a > > > lot > > > of effort or the native has to put in a lot of effort to achive the > > > indications of the retrograde planet. The retrograde planet normally > > > reverses the indications of the house it is in. It is very strong being > > > full of Rays and its indications are sure to occur. Thus, if retrograde > > > in the 11th house, gains may be delayed or altogether denied. If > > > retrograde in the fifth, the mind/children (one normally) will suffer. > > > > My friend has retrograde exalted jupiter in 2.house(gemini).In jupiter > > antara he fetched the enormous > > gains.He was born wealthy,and is wealthy.He has very good job.Jupiter is > > lord of 10.and good spouse > > (lord of 7.)My another friend is aries lagna,with mars and saturn in > > 4.house.Saturn is retrograde.She was born in extremelly wealthy family,has > > a lot of movable assets and gains,as lord of 11.I do not see how saturn > > has reversed effects.However,as lord ogf 10.she never had independent > > career,but participated ih her husband career who was very, > > very,successful.Neecha mars could also lead to lack of own career.In my > > chart,mercury is retrograde in 2,house,and I am not poor,and see no > > reversed effects in 2.house matters.I agree that retrogrades have > > tremendous strenght.Parashara gives them ful measure(60 rupas).Could you > > explain what you mean my"Reversed" effect,please? > > Sanjay: Zoran, the retrograde planet is full of Rays and very very strong. > Thus, it behaves like an independant Sun..For example Jupiter when > retrograde will behave like a Yellow Sun while a retrograde Saturn will show > light like a blue Sun. I have retrograde Saturn in the 11th house and it is > also the atmakaraka indicating that I will follow the traditional line of my > forefathers. Inspite of all the efforts of my family to make a good > "engineer" out of me, I somehow continued with Jyotish. Saturn is in the > 11th house and the hopes have been reversed during its period. Reversed > means "Changed". For example in Saturn-Saturn we had a new Factory and a > very high status, but in Saturn-Ketu the situation was reversed and it was > lost. > In both the examples you quote money matters that are best seen from > the Arudha Lagna instead of Lagna. Ask the first friend about personal > matters concerning the second house like choise of food, appetite, family > affairs etc. While the second could have seen sorrow, but to what extent she > will disclose is to be seen. When is your Mercury Dasa period? Please give > the three charts and the Dasa for further discussion on these finer points. > > > Best regards, > Sanjay Rath > ---------------- > > ------ > Too much effort to find the stock info you want each day? StockMaster > lets you enter a company name and quickly shows you a daily quote, > chart, and news all on one page. Free! http://clickhere./click/71 > > > eGroups.com home: sjvc > - Simplifying group communications > > > ------ The Weather Underground. We provide weather across the world. Visit http://clickhere./click/48 eGroups.com home: sjvc - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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